23 Of The Best Points Hotels I Hope To Stay At

23 Of The Best Points Hotels I Hope To Stay At

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Miles & points can let you have some pretty incredible experiences for pennies on the dollar. With airline miles you can fly almost any first or business class product in the world, as there are very few aspirational products that aren’t bookable with miles.

Hotels are a different story, though. There are a lot of great points hotels, though the reality is that many boutique and high end brands don’t belong to any of the major hotel groups with loyalty programs. That means there’s no way to redeem points for stays there, short of earning cash back through credit cards and then redeeming that towards a stay.

Fogo Island Inn, one of my favorite hotels in the world (not bookable with points)

While I’ve stayed at a lot of incredible points hotels, I thought it would be fun to reflect on some of my favorite points hotels I’ve stayed at in the past couple of years, and also share the points hotels that I’d most like to stay at.

The best points hotels I’ve stayed at recently

Over the past couple of years, I’d say the following are my favorite points hotels that I’ve stayed at:

  • Alila Ventana Big Sur (bookable with Hyatt points), which features gorgeous views, and even includes all meals
  • Andaz Tokyo (bookable with Hyatt points), which is an excellent city hotel with great views
  • Blue Palace Elounda (bookable with Marriott points), which has a gorgeous setting and great food & beverage outlets
  • Bodrum EDITION (bookable with Marriott points), which has an awesome service, setting, and more
  • Calala Island (bookable with Hyatt Points), which is an incredible private island in Nicaragua with just four villas
  • Canaves Oia Epitome Santorini (bookable with Hyatt points), with is a jaw-droppingly beautiful SLH hotel
  • Grand Hyatt SFO (bookable with Hyatt points), which is admittedly an airport hotel, but probably the greatest airport hotel ever
  • Waldorf Astoria Amsterdam (bookable with Hilton points), which is one of my new favorite city hotels in Europe
  • Waldorf Astoria Los Cabos (bookable with Hilton points), which is a fantastic beach getaway with top notch service
Calala Island, Nicaragua

Points hotels I’d like to stay at

With the above out of the way, let me share some awesome points hotels that I look forward to staying at. As I plan future international travel, I’ll largely use this list to decide which destination to visit next. Here are some of the properties that most interest me, in no particular order.

Waldorf Astoria Maldives

The Waldorf Astoria Maldives is fairly new, and is arguably the most aspirational Hilton property yet. I was initially skeptical about this property given how close it is to Male (unlike some of the other private islands, which are far away), but I’ve heard very good things about this property. It’s cool to be able to use Hilton points for a hotel that retails for $1,500+ per night.

Booking with points: 120,000-150,000 Hilton Honors points per night, with the potential for a fifth night free

Waldorf Astoria Maldives

Ritz-Carlton Maldives

While I’ve heard mixed reviews of the Ritz-Carlton Maldives, this still seems like a property I’d like to stay at. It’s a great use of Marriott Bonvoy points pre-devaluation, the standard room here is an incredible overwater villa, and the paid rates here are currently $2,000+ per night.

Booking with points: 70,000-100,000 Marriott Bonvoy points per night, with the potential for a fifth night free

Ritz-Carlton Maldives

The Gritti Palace Venice

I haven’t been to Venice in about 15 years, so I’d like to return at some point. I know it’s overrun with tourists, so if/when I go, I would do so in shoulder season. When I do, I’d like to stay at The Gritti Palace, which is the Marriott Luxury Collection property, as it’s regarded as one of the best hotels there.

Booking with points: 70,000-100,000 Marriott Bonvoy points per night, with the potential for a fifth night free

The Gritti Palace Venice

St. Regis Hong Kong

St. Regis is my favorite Marriott brand, partly because I like the style of the hotels, and partly because I like that St. Regis actually honors elite benefits, unlike EDITION and Ritz-Carlton. One of the newest St. Regis properties is in Hong Kong, and I would love to stay there. Unfortunately I’m not convinced Hong Kong will reopen in the next couple of years, or perhaps even ever. We’ll see.

Booking with points: 70,000-100,000 Marriott Bonvoy points per night, with the potential for a fifth night free

St. Regis Hong Kong

Domes Miramare Corfu

Greece is one of my favorite countries in the world, and I’d like to visit Corfu, as I’ve never been in that part of the country. Fortunately Corfu has a well regarded Luxury Collection property, and it’s even a steal on points. I’m hoping to visit the property this coming summer.

Booking with points: 30,000-40,000 Marriott Bonvoy points per night, with the potential for a fifth night free

Domes Miramare Corfu

Alila Jabal Akhdar

I’m a big fan of the Alila brand, and also loved my trip to Oman years ago, so naturally Alila Jabal Akhdar is near the top of my list of places to stay. The hotel is located in the Al Hajar mountain range, over 2,000 meters above sea level, so there’s lots of hiking to be done here.

Booking with points: 21,000-29,000 World of Hyatt points per night

Alila Jabal Akhdar

Alila Hinu Bay

One of the reasons I’ve been pushing off visiting Alila Jabal Akhdar is because I was waiting for Alila Hinu Bay to open. That hotel finally opened, so I guess it’s time to plan a trip to Oman. Hinu Bay is located in a pretty rural part of Oman, not far from Salalah. This is more of a beach getaway, so if you visit it in conjunction with the other Alila, you can enjoy the mountains and the beach.

Booking with points: 17,000-23,000 World of Hyatt points per night

Alila Hinu Bay

Tambo Del Inka Peru

This is a hotel that’s not on my list because I think the hotel as such is that amazing, but rather because I still haven’t visited Machu Picchu. The fact that Marriott has good options in both Cuzco and the Sacred Valley is all the more reason to take this trip sooner rather than later.

Booking with points: 40,000-60,000 Marriott Bonvoy points per night, with the potential for a fifth night free

Tambo del Inka Peru

Alila Villas Uluwatu Bali

In case you can’t tell, I really like Alila properties. 😉 Alila has several properties in Bali, though the one that interests me most is the Uluwatu Villas property. The entry level rooms here are villas with pools, so this is a pretty awesome place to redeem points.

Booking with points: 25,000-35,000 World of Hyatt points per night

Alila Villas Uluwatu Bali

Hotel Marqués De Riscal

While I’ve visited the major cities in Spain and have also been to many of the beach destinations, I’d like to explore more of the country. Hotel Marques de Riscal is in Elciego, and was designed by Frank Gehry. I mean, just look at the hotel — how could you not want to stay there?

Booking with points: 50,000-70,000 Marriott Bonvoy points per night, with the potential for a fifth night free

Hotel Marques de Riscal

Miraval Berkshires

In 2017 Hyatt acquired wellness brand Miraval, and during the pandemic we saw a new property open in the Berkshires. I love the Northeast in summer, and think could be a cool property to visit. Miraval stays include all food and non-alcoholic drinks, as well as many activities. When redeeming points you also get a $175 per person credit.

Booking with points: 57,500-72,000 World of Hyatt points per night (for two people)

Miraval Berkshires

Miraval Arizona

It’s not just the Miraval property in the Berkshires that interests me, but also the one in Arizona. The two properties are totally different, with the latter having all kinds of cool desert activities. Again, stays here include all food and non-alcoholic drinks, as well as many activities. When redeeming points you also get a $175 per person credit.

Booking with points: 57,500-72,000 World of Hyatt points per night (for two people)

Miraval Arizona

St. Regis Bermuda

Bermuda has long been on my list of places to visit, though I haven’t made it there until now. Bermuda used to lack points hotels, but a St. Regis recently opened there, so that seems like a great place from which to explore the island.

Booking with points: 70,000-100,000 Marriott Bonvoy points per night, with the potential for a fifth night free

St. Regis Bermuda

Zemi Beach House Anguilla

A while back Zemi Beach House joined Hilton’s LXR portfolio. I’ve never been to Anguilla, though with new nonstop flights on American Airlines from Miami, this seems like an easy getaway at some point in the future.

Booking with points: 95,000 Hilton Honors points per night, with the potential for a fifth night free

Zemi Beach House Anguilla

Reykjavik EDITION

Admittedly Iceland isn’t a destination you usually travel to for luxury hotels, though Marriott’s EDITION brand recently opened in the capital of Reykjavik. This is likely the best hotel in the city, so you can’t beat being able to redeem points for a stay there.

Booking with points: 70,000-100,000 Marriott Bonvoy points per night, with the potential for a fifth night free

Reykjavik EDITION

Park Hyatt Auckland

New Zealand is one of my favorite countries in the world, though I don’t love Auckland as such. Nonetheless I’m intrigued by the Park Hyatt Auckland, and would love to visit the next time I’m in New Zealand. This hotel had horrendous construction delays, and go figure it finally opened during the pandemic, when New Zealand’s borders were closed. I can’t help but wonder when I’ll be able to visit this property…

Once the hotel opens it should be impressive… hopefully.

Booking with points: 17,000-23,000 World of Hyatt points per night

Park Hyatt Auckland

St. Regis Astana

I briefly visited Kazakhstan several years back, and only had one night in Astana. I found the city to be fascinating, and have been wanting to return. Nowadays there’s a St. Regis there, which is very reasonably priced as well. So I hope to return to the city and stay at the St. Regis in the not-too-distant future.

Booking with points: 20,000-30,000 Marriott Bonvoy points per night, with the potential for a fifth night free

St. Regis Astana

Park Hyatt Kyoto

I adore Japan, and it’s probably the country I’m most excited to visit once borders open. It has been a long time since I’ve been to Kyoto, so I’d love to check out the new Park Hyatt Kyoto the next time I’m there. While Kyoto has lots of amazing hotels, given how great World of Hyatt Globalist status is, this would be my first pick.

Booking with points: 25,000-35,000 World of Hyatt points per night

Park Hyatt Kyoto

Park Hyatt Niseko

Niseko is in a part of Japan I’ve never been to before, and there’s a new Park Hyatt there. I’m not sure if I’d like to visit in summer for hiking, or in winter so Ford can ski and I can stay inside. 😉 Regardless, the hotel and landscape look gorgeous.

Booking with points: 25,000-35,000 World of Hyatt points per night

Park Hyatt Niseko

Ritz-Carlton Nikko

The Ritz-Carlton Nikko opened recently, and is a fairly short train ride from Tokyo. The hotel is set along Lake Chuzenji, so as someone who loves nature this seems like a cool side trip the next time I’m in Tokyo.

Booking with points: 50,000-70,000 Marriott Bonvoy points per night, with the potential for a fifth night free

Ritz-Carlton Nikko

The Cloudveil Jackson Hole

There’s a new Autograph Collection property located in Jackson Hole. I’ve long wanted to visit Jackson Hole, so this seems like the best option with points (since the two other good hotels at the Aman and Four Seasons, and neither is bookable with points). I feel like I’m going to regret wanting to stay here, though, given my general experience with Autograph Collection properties…

Booking with points: 50,000-70,000 Marriott Bonvoy points per night, with the potential for a fifth night free

St. Regis Cairo

You can file this one under “I’m a weirdo” more than anything. I’ve never witnessed a hotel opening that was as delayed as the one at the St. Regis Cairo. The hotel’s opening had already been delayed by years, and then the Gulf blockade happened. The hotel had been ready to open for years, but it couldn’t open because it had Qatari investors. Fortunately the hotel did finally open, though I imagine it’s already outdated at this point. 😉

Booking with points: 30,000-40,000 Marriott Bonvoy points per night, with the potential for a fifth night free

St. Regis Cairo

North Island Seychelles

I’ll throw this one in for fun, though I doubt I’ll ever make it here. Rather puzzlingly, the $8,000+ per night North Island property in the Seychelles became a Marriott Luxury Collection property in 2019, which I can’t make sense of.

The points rates are totally different than any other Marriotts, so it’s outrageously expensive. Also not included is food/drinks or the helicopter ride to the hotel. But it doesn’t cost anything to dream, right?

Booking with points: 365,000 Marriott Bonvoy points per night, with the potential for a fifth night free

North Island Seychelles

Bottom line

There are tons of incredible hotels that can be booked with points. I’ve had some amazing points hotel stays in the past couple of years, including with Hilton, Hyatt, and Marriott. There are lots of other points hotels on my radar, which I hope to check out soon.

Which points hotels do you most want to stay at? And has anyone stayed at any of the properties on my list?

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  1. Azraai Azuha Guest

    Having recently stayed at both Ritz Carlton Nikko (autumn) & Park Hyatt Niseko (winter), can't recommend these properties enough! Lake Chuzenji during autumn is simply STUNNING, and the ski slopes in Niseko are Japan's best, if not world's.

    However, my top recommendation would be Aman Kyoto in late November, as the hotel's setting during the peak of autumn will completely blow you away. Sankara (part of SLH!) in Yakushima Island would be a great...

    Having recently stayed at both Ritz Carlton Nikko (autumn) & Park Hyatt Niseko (winter), can't recommend these properties enough! Lake Chuzenji during autumn is simply STUNNING, and the ski slopes in Niseko are Japan's best, if not world's.

    However, my top recommendation would be Aman Kyoto in late November, as the hotel's setting during the peak of autumn will completely blow you away. Sankara (part of SLH!) in Yakushima Island would be a great summer destination as well. Privacy and service-wise, almost equal to Aman, but half the cost. Also during peak sakura season (late March), head to Hoshinoya Kyoto for the best Japanese ryokan experience, all with sakura blossoming right at your balcony.

  2. William Richardson Guest

    I have been trying to book the The Waldorf Astoria Maldives and they have changed their points required for a stay. The cheapest rate per night is 1.2MM points per night. This rate makes no financial sense to waste your points for this stay. I’m also a diamond member of Hilton and they will not accept the free weekend night stays over the weekend either. I called Hilton and was told the hotel does not...

    I have been trying to book the The Waldorf Astoria Maldives and they have changed their points required for a stay. The cheapest rate per night is 1.2MM points per night. This rate makes no financial sense to waste your points for this stay. I’m also a diamond member of Hilton and they will not accept the free weekend night stays over the weekend either. I called Hilton and was told the hotel does not have any standard rooms in the hotel meaning that the certificate can not be used. I ended up booking a room for $18,000 for 5 nights.

  3. Eddie Guest

    Not sure if you have already stayed there before or not but if you are going to Venice, you definitely should stay at the Danieli (part of Marriott) as well. I used points and an upgrade voucher and had a beautiful two balcony suite overlooking the water. I then wound the trip up staying at the Gritti which was nice, especially the Aqua de Parma spa.

  4. Bob Guest

    Was at the St Regis Astana last week. Absolutely stunning hotel with gorgeous rooms. Was upgraded to the Ambassador suite. Bathrooms have bookmatched marble.

  5. SgFm New Member

    Domes Miramare was disappointing. We did a 5th night free stay, and as Gold, (at that time), we got upgraded to a Villa for our last night. We had to request a room reassignment right after we first checked in......., the smell of sewage wafting by our balcony was just short of nauseating. With that sort of a first impression, it was difficult to really feel like we'd made a good hotel choice for our visit to Corfu, and relax and enjoy the accommodations.

  6. Jim Nathan Guest

    Tambo de Inca is a fabulous hotel + a gorgeous setting and wonderful staff. One of my favorites ever. They have their own train station for the MP train!

  7. MurrayF Guest

    I walked past the Auclkand Hyatt a week of so ago and position did not impress me. The Hilton on the wharf is much better outlook and far superior location.

    Auckland is not all that bad it,s good for 3 to 5 days more if you have children for the zoo and motat and nice beaches esp on north shore (flat) or out west (surf)
    Highlights
    1. Ferry to Devonport 15 mins...

    I walked past the Auclkand Hyatt a week of so ago and position did not impress me. The Hilton on the wharf is much better outlook and far superior location.

    Auckland is not all that bad it,s good for 3 to 5 days more if you have children for the zoo and motat and nice beaches esp on north shore (flat) or out west (surf)
    Highlights
    1. Ferry to Devonport 15 mins from downtown. Restaurants and beach
    2. Ferry to rangitoto 45mins. walk to summit of most recent volcanic eruption in Auckland (750 yrs ago)
    3. Ferry to Waiheke island 45mins. go on wine tour
    4. Go either waitakerere or Hunua ranges approx. 45mins drive and fantastic bush walks
    5. Take lime scooter along Tamaki drive approx. 9km along waterfront to St Helier’s. Lovely beaches and adequate restaurants
    6. Walk to Domain to go to war memorial museum
    7. Ferry to Rotorua island 1hr? . It is repopulated with native birds and they are everywhere. Beautiful views and a great beach about 10-15mins form wharf

    So basically for me its bush walks and beaches.

  8. David Diamond

    A bit surprised Ritz Carlton Kyoto didn't make the cut. I thought it was the better hotel compared to the Park Hyatt Kyoto.

  9. ulliro New Member

    I stayed at Gritti Palace in Venice with points a couple of years ago.
    The room was really nice and vintage original, but very small, just a queen bed could fit in.

  10. Christian Guest

    I know it’s a mute point now but Domes of Elounda is a MUCH better hotel than the Blue Palace. We have stayed at both and will never stay at the BP again after experiencing the Domes. Staff and service was so much better and they truly treat elites much better than at the BP.

  11. Kyle Guest

    You forgot Mango House Seychelles (Hilton LXR).

  12. John Guest

    I really enjoyed the Cloudveil. Admittedly, its not the Aman, (We had dinner there and it was amazing) but I found the breakfast at the Cloudveil nice...the rooms had fireplaces, which was cute, and you can't really beat being in the middle of the town.

  13. Euro Member

    Is there any reason why you would prefer to stay at the Gritti Palace vs the Hotel Danieli or the St Regis in Venice? Hoping to make it to Venice eventually; not sure which of the three luxury hotels to prioritize/what the difference in feelings/atmosphere/experiences are between the first two. St Regis looks much more modern though.

    As for the Park Hyatt Kyoto, I am considering it for my next trip. But chain hotels in...

    Is there any reason why you would prefer to stay at the Gritti Palace vs the Hotel Danieli or the St Regis in Venice? Hoping to make it to Venice eventually; not sure which of the three luxury hotels to prioritize/what the difference in feelings/atmosphere/experiences are between the first two. St Regis looks much more modern though.

    As for the Park Hyatt Kyoto, I am considering it for my next trip. But chain hotels in Kyoto seem to be more down to "what areas of Kyoto do I want to explore" and "what hotels are close by to said area" and "if the hotel I want to stay at is far away from the area of Kyoto I want to explore, do I want to make the journey back and forth".

  14. Steve Guest

    St. Regis Cairo was superb in May 2021. Upgraded as a Platinum, but the property does not participate in the SNA program.

    1. Steve Guest

      That was upgraded to an Astor Room from the base room - not to a suite.

  15. Torsten Guest

    RE: OMAN
    As someone else already pointed out: Alila Jabal Akhdar is a MUST do. It's an outstanding hotel, the offered activities are awesome and the pool side scenery is to die for. After reading about it on your blog numerous times, Lucky, we stayed there last October - and had a great time. Breakfast is perfect as well; dinner is okay for 2-3 nights (but not that special). They do great cocktails, though,...

    RE: OMAN
    As someone else already pointed out: Alila Jabal Akhdar is a MUST do. It's an outstanding hotel, the offered activities are awesome and the pool side scenery is to die for. After reading about it on your blog numerous times, Lucky, we stayed there last October - and had a great time. Breakfast is perfect as well; dinner is okay for 2-3 nights (but not that special). They do great cocktails, though, even the ones without alcohol!!! We couldn’t decide on booking Alila Hinu Bay while in Salalah (where the stayed in the not-so-luxurious rather dated Crowne Plaza which has – to its merit - a really pretty beach and an amazing new, very modern, sea side restaurant). When we drove up on the coast we took a quick peak at Hinu Bay. While it's probably a pretty hotel, it is quite far from the airport and the Land of Francesine sites. Also it is situated in a not that pretty region and there is zero things to do there, IMO. Therefore, despite the fantastic stay at Jabal Akhbar we weren’t sad to have passed on Hinu Bay. I just could not see the appeal.

  16. Emily Guest

    All of the hotels in this list are perfectly fine, but none seem to excite me. Hotels which are part of a large global custom just don’t seem aspirational nor thrilling to me.

  17. Joel Guest

    Visited the Miraval Berkshires last spring on the BOGO rate. Nice that meals were included, but overall was a little let down by the experience given the number of points needed for two. Activities were fun, but hotel rooms were small and generally property felt a little lacking. Didn't really feel like a "luxurious getaway."

  18. Stuart Guest

    A solid but very expected list. The two new Park Hyatt's in Japan are also on my short list when things reopen. And definitely go in the winter, Hokkaido is magical that time of year and the skiing is world class.

    Interesting your "bad luck" with Autograph. I have actually found it to be decent sweet spot for Bonvoy. But again, that's for Bonvoy. I've experienced a few meh properties - but also a...

    A solid but very expected list. The two new Park Hyatt's in Japan are also on my short list when things reopen. And definitely go in the winter, Hokkaido is magical that time of year and the skiing is world class.

    Interesting your "bad luck" with Autograph. I have actually found it to be decent sweet spot for Bonvoy. But again, that's for Bonvoy. I've experienced a few meh properties - but also a number of really good ones at a decent value. Oddly, the better ones seem to be in the West. So you might find Jackson Hole to be pretty good. Hotel Nia in Palo Alto, Advenire in St. George, and Mauna Kea in Hawaii are a few I really like.

  19. Peter Guest

    Alila Jabal Akhdar is a MUST do. One of my favorites of all time and the photo I took form there is still on my iPhone Lock Screen 4 years later. You will need a 4x4 to get up there and they will check before you climb the mountain. Oman is a relatively tolerant country as well comparatively. IMO Miraval Arizona is much better than the Berkshires location. I was sort of disappointed with Berkshires....

    Alila Jabal Akhdar is a MUST do. One of my favorites of all time and the photo I took form there is still on my iPhone Lock Screen 4 years later. You will need a 4x4 to get up there and they will check before you climb the mountain. Oman is a relatively tolerant country as well comparatively. IMO Miraval Arizona is much better than the Berkshires location. I was sort of disappointed with Berkshires. Arizona just has a very special spiritual feel to it that’s missing in MA. I wouldn’t do both. My two cents.

  20. Nick Guest

    Make sure you book a suite at the Domes Miramare or you may be disappointed.

  21. ECR Guest

    FYI Bodrum is misspelled as Bodrom.

  22. ECR Guest

    I've thought about the Cloudveil as well mainly because of how pricey the other decent properties are in Jackson Hole, has anyone checked it out?

    Also, I hardly ever read ThePointsGuy but their review on St Regis Bermuda left a bad impression. Think I'd hold out a bit before that property gets up to brand standards.

  23. Khatl Gold

    Surprised the Park Hyatt Kyoto is on there. Admittedly the following are all Marriott properties which even surprised me, as I'm no longer a fan having switched my paid stays to Hyatt due to Bonvoy/devals. The Suiran (Marriott) is way cooler, and upgrades are usually provided and include hot tub on outside balcony overlooking the river. Also surprised the Al Maha (Marriott) is not on there. The service was impeccable; all meals are included (incl...

    Surprised the Park Hyatt Kyoto is on there. Admittedly the following are all Marriott properties which even surprised me, as I'm no longer a fan having switched my paid stays to Hyatt due to Bonvoy/devals. The Suiran (Marriott) is way cooler, and upgrades are usually provided and include hot tub on outside balcony overlooking the river. Also surprised the Al Maha (Marriott) is not on there. The service was impeccable; all meals are included (incl in room dining which is the best in room dining experience ever as they set up a full dining experience in/outside), most activities are included (though they recently added a charge for dune bashing), the villas are superb with a ridiculously large personal pool and even incl easel, canvas and paints, a great upgrade for 5 nights over new year with views across the desert (and as it was new year, they provided every villa with a bottle of billecart-salmon to celebrate.) Last one that's very cool for the experiences (as the restaurant is meh, the service is so-so and the actual room is just ok) is the Autograph Punta Islita in Costa Rica, which also has solid redemption pricing of ~40k / night. Breakfast overlooking infinity pool and sea is stunning and a junior suite upgrade gets you a private garden with plunge pool, hammock and often with scarlet macaws overhead. Multiple activities are also included (monkey trails, bird watching, horse riding etc)

    1. Gaurav Community Ambassador

      I think Ben's already been to Al Maha

    2. Gaurav Community Ambassador

      https://onemileatatime.com/review-al-maha-bedouin-suite/

  24. Lukas Guest

    "...I found the city to be fascinated" should read 'fascinating'.

  25. Bee Guest

    Lucky: I am a huge fan of your writings, your blog and your guidance. That said, I hope you will take this in the grain intended: a nudge toward improvement.

    Ending a sentence with a preposition - and “at” is like nails on a chalkboard - is a tell-tale sign of a poorly educated writer. You are so much better than that. Other options include: “I’d love to stay at these point redemption hotels…” or “XX hotels at which I’d love to stay.”

    Thanks.

    1. Scott Guest

      That's really an old school grammar rule that is no longer in fashion. It ends up creating rather clunky sentences, like your second example of “XX hotels at which I’d love to stay.”

    2. JS Guest

      @Scott - proper grammar never goes out of fashion. I'm with @Bee on this one, ending a sentence with a preposition is like nails on a chalkboard. Sorry, my mom was an English teacher and it's been taught to me over and over.

    3. Scott Guest

      AP and Chicago Manual of Style don't require it, so if they're cool with it, then it's considered proper grammar.

    4. Airfarer Member

      I never end my sentences with a preposition, if readers consider that ungainly, so be it. :)

    5. BookLvr Member

      I have a PhD in English and I agree with Scott.

      @JS, you are absolutely right that proper grammar never goes out of fashion, but proper grammar and syntax evolve over time. There are dozens of articles available on the internet explaining that ending a sentence with a preposition is fine. Here are a couple samples:

      https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/prepositions-ending-a-sentence-with

      https://www.quickanddirtytips.com/education/grammar/ending-a-sentence-with-a-preposition

      While I would agree that phrases like "Where you at?" are not standard American English, I...

      I have a PhD in English and I agree with Scott.

      @JS, you are absolutely right that proper grammar never goes out of fashion, but proper grammar and syntax evolve over time. There are dozens of articles available on the internet explaining that ending a sentence with a preposition is fine. Here are a couple samples:

      https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/prepositions-ending-a-sentence-with

      https://www.quickanddirtytips.com/education/grammar/ending-a-sentence-with-a-preposition

      While I would agree that phrases like "Where you at?" are not standard American English, I would strenuously disagree that all instances of ending a sentence with a preposition are ungrammatical. "Thou shalt never end a sentence with a preposition" falls into the category of grammar myths.

      https://www.quickanddirtytips.com/education/grammar/top-ten-grammar-myths

    6. JS Guest

      @BookLvr - thank you for the resources and links. Very interesting indeed!

    7. Emily Guest

      I may not have perfect grammar, but I always admire writers who do. Good grammar is sexy. Unfortunately, blogging and good grammar are typically mutually exclusive.

    8. Eskimo Guest

      @JS

      You probably want to hang your self among all the emojis today.

      If proper grammar is never out of fashion, Shakespeare, thee would be writing like.

    9. The nice Paul Guest

      “a tell-tale sign of a poorly educated writer”

      Yeah, like Shakespeare, Jane Austen, Charles Dickens. All terrible writers.

      As Winston Churchill (winner of a Nobel Prize for Literature) forcefully put it, “ending a sentence with a preposition is something up with which I will not put”. (He was being sarcastic, of course.)

      Where the meaning of a sentence is clear I don’t understand why some people would bang on about grammatical “rules”; and I...

      “a tell-tale sign of a poorly educated writer”

      Yeah, like Shakespeare, Jane Austen, Charles Dickens. All terrible writers.

      As Winston Churchill (winner of a Nobel Prize for Literature) forcefully put it, “ending a sentence with a preposition is something up with which I will not put”. (He was being sarcastic, of course.)

      Where the meaning of a sentence is clear I don’t understand why some people would bang on about grammatical “rules”; and I understand even less why they would actually criticise an author for not following their (often made-up) “rules”.

      English is an extraordinarily flexible language by virtue of how few absolute rules it has. Why would you want to reduce its flexibility with some arbitrary “rules” — rules which it turns out most great writers never follow.

    10. JS Guest

      Well I guess "it don't" matter after all, does it?

  26. Anthony Diamond

    As much as people whine and moan about Marriott, they still have a lot of great properties to visit, along with a ton of lodging for more conventional stays when you need it. Though I am doing a growing number stays with Hyatt, and Hilton has great redemptions, I stick with Marriott for most of my stays

    1. Jill Guest

      What’s your status level with all 3 of them?

    2. DSK Member

      Hi Jill. I'll jump in on that one since I pretty much agree with everything Anthony said. I am trying to stay at Hyatts but it is hard to find them at the specific locations where i want to stay (how many times have I seen one Hyatt in a city along with 10 Marriott and Hilton properties in different locations in that city). I have had some great Hilton redemptions, including Conrad Bora Bora,...

      Hi Jill. I'll jump in on that one since I pretty much agree with everything Anthony said. I am trying to stay at Hyatts but it is hard to find them at the specific locations where i want to stay (how many times have I seen one Hyatt in a city along with 10 Marriott and Hilton properties in different locations in that city). I have had some great Hilton redemptions, including Conrad Bora Bora, Conrad Maldives, Hilton Phuket, Hilton Tokyo, Hilton Fiji, etc. However, all things considered, I find myself staying at Marriotts the most because they are most often located where I want to be at the price point I want . My status: Hyatt Globalist (60 nights), Hilton Diamond and Marriott Lifetime Titanium.

  27. Matrix.RX1 Guest

    re: Niseko. Great powder snow, but: Outrageously expensive -way more than Tokyo-, chair lifts with little to no safety barriers and bland low inclination slopes.

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I have a PhD in English and I agree with Scott. @JS, you are absolutely right that proper grammar never goes out of fashion, but proper grammar and syntax evolve over time. There are dozens of articles available on the internet explaining that ending a sentence with a preposition is fine. Here are a couple samples: https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/prepositions-ending-a-sentence-with https://www.quickanddirtytips.com/education/grammar/ending-a-sentence-with-a-preposition While I would agree that phrases like "Where you at?" are not standard American English, I would strenuously disagree that all instances of ending a sentence with a preposition are ungrammatical. "Thou shalt never end a sentence with a preposition" falls into the category of grammar myths. https://www.quickanddirtytips.com/education/grammar/top-ten-grammar-myths

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The nice Paul Guest

“a tell-tale sign of a poorly educated writer” Yeah, like Shakespeare, Jane Austen, Charles Dickens. All terrible writers. As Winston Churchill (winner of a Nobel Prize for Literature) forcefully put it, “ending a sentence with a preposition is something up with which I will not put”. (He was being sarcastic, of course.) Where the meaning of a sentence is clear I don’t understand why some people would bang on about grammatical “rules”; and I understand even less why they would actually criticise an author for not following their (often made-up) “rules”. English is an extraordinarily flexible language by virtue of how few absolute rules it has. Why would you want to reduce its flexibility with some arbitrary “rules” — rules which it turns out most great writers never follow.

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Scott Guest

That's really an old school grammar rule that is no longer in fashion. It ends up creating rather clunky sentences, like your second example of “XX hotels at which I’d love to stay.”

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