Review: New Air France Business Class 777-300ER (CDG-JFK)

Review: New Air France Business Class 777-300ER (CDG-JFK)

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FROM: CDG
TO: JFK
CABIN: Business
DATE: February 2023
REVIEW RATING:
BEN SAYS: Air France's new business class product is a pretty unbeatable way to cross the Atlantic, with excellent seats, amazing tech, good Wi-Fi, friendly service, and tasty food.
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To finish off the first half of my four trips across the Atlantic, I flew Air France’s new Boeing 777-300ER business class from Paris to New York. The airline recently introduced this product, which represents the next generation of business class for Air France.

Well, I’m happy to report that this is a spectacular product. It’s especially good if you can snag one of the bulkhead seats, which I’d consider to be the best business class seats in the world.

Air France has a great transatlantic soft product, with excellent food and wine, and friendly service. Now add in Air France’s phenomenal new hard product, with privacy doors and cutting edge tech, and this product really is a winner, and is worth seeking out for long haul journeys.

How I booked my Air France business class ticket

I booked my Air France business class ticket using Flying Blue miles. Flying Blue has access to more business class award availability on Air France and KLM than other programs, so that’s my go-to for booking these awards.

Specifically, I booked the following flight in business class for 55,000 Flying Blue miles, plus $377 in taxes & fees:

2/09 AF22 Paris to New York departing 8:30AM arriving 10:50AM

What’s awesome is that Flying Blue partners with major transferable points currencies, including Amex Membership RewardsCapital OneChase Ultimate Rewards, and Citi ThankYou. I even managed to transfer over my points to Flying Blue when there was a transfer bonus, meaning I paid even fewer transferable points in the end.

Air France business class lounge & boarding

In the last installment I reviewed the Air France Lounge Paris Terminal 2E Hall K, which was located in the concourse I was departing from. My flight left from gate K30, located at the end of the terminal and on the left.

Can I take a moment to just appreciate how gorgeous Charles de Gaulle’s retro terminals are? As much as I like a good modern airport, this terminal is timeless, in my opinion.

Paris Charles de Gaulle Airport Terminal 2E Hall K
Paris Charles de Gaulle Airport Terminal 2E Hall K

Boarding was scheduled for 7:35AM, 55 minutes before the 8:30AM departure. As usual on US-bound flights, there were security questions at the gate, but that was handled pretty efficiently.

Air France 777 business class cabin & seats

Air France’s reconfigured Boeing 777-300ERs feature a total of 48 business class seats. Air France has reverse herringbone seats, and selected the Safran Versa product with doors. While reverse herringbone seats are common on many airlines, the most popular is the Collins Aerospace Super Diamond seat, so this is a slightly different product.

There are minor differences between these types of reverse herringbone seats, though I don’t think one is necessarily that much better than the other. I think what sets Air France’s new reverse herringbone seats apart are three factors:

  • The seats have doors, which not many airlines have for reverse herringbone seats
  • The bulkhead rows have an unbelievable amount of personal space, and are in my opinion the best business class seats in the world
  • The seats have exceptional tech, from wireless charging, to bluetooth audio, and more

With that out of the way, let’s take a closer look at the cabin.

Business class is spread across two cabins, with all seats being in a 1-2-1 configuration. The forward cabin (between the first and second set of doors) has a total of 28 seats, and consists of seven rows.

Air France 777 business class cabin
Air France 777 business class cabin

Meanwhile the second cabin (behind the second set of doors) has a total of 20 seats, consisting of five rows.

Air France 777 business class cabin

Since I was seated in the second cabin, I also had the chance to take a peek at the large premium economy cabin, which was quite large, with 48 seats.

Air France 777 premium economy cabin

First let’s take a look at a standard (non-bulkhead) business class seat. I found the seat to be well designed, and in particular the footwell was a good size, which is often an issue in these kinds of seats. That’s an advantage over the Collins Aerospace Super Diamond reverse herringbone seat.

Air France business class seat 777
Air France business class seat 777
Air France business class seat 777

Meanwhile the best seats in this configuration are the bulkhead seats, located in rows one and nine. These seats are special because of the massive amount of legroom that they have. I assigned myself seat 9A, the window seat in the first row of the second cabin, on the left side.

Note that these seats can be selected by Flying Blue Gold and Platinum members at the time of booking, and by other business class passengers on a space available basis 72 hours before departure.

Air France business class seat 777
Air France business class seat 777

I appreciate the attention to detail that went into the seat design. Sometimes you sit down in a seat and wonder if the designers ever actually ever sat in the seats for long periods of time. For example, I appreciated how there was a little armrest to the side of the seat, without any controls you could accidentally hit.

Air France business class seat 777

The tray table in this configuration folds out from the console to the side of the seat. Many will prefer this to Collins Aerospace Super Diamond seats, where it’s located underneath the monitor, and makes the footwell feel quite constrained.

Air France business class seat tray table

There’s a huge counter to the side of the seat, featuring the easy-to-use seat controls, as well as a wireless charging station.

Air France business class seat console
Air France business class seat controls
Air France business class seat wireless charging

Then to the back left of the seat is an enclosed storage compartment, featuring a backlit picture of Air France’s mythical winged seahorse logo. There’s something I really love about the logo, and I appreciate how Air France is increasingly incorporating this into its branding and cabin design.

Air France business class seat storage unit

The storage compartment has a hook where you can hang headphones, the entertainment controller, a mirror, and a USB-A outlet.

Air France business class seat storage unit
Air France business class seat entertainment controls

Underneath the counter is a small cubby where you can store a bottle of water. This is also where the other power outlets are located, including a USB-C charger and AC power outlet. It’s great to see that Air France has 60W USB-C chargers, which will allow you to charge just about any device at full speed. So many USB outlets on planes have ridiculously low limitations. Tech was clearly a focus for Air France with these new cabins.

Air France business class seat outlets

On the aisle-side of the seat is an armrest, which can be raised and lowered.

Air France business class seat armrest

Then there’s what makes these bulkhead seats so amazing. Rather than having a fairly small footwell you have to squeeze your feet into, these seats have massive ottomans, which make these seats more spacious than some first class products currently in operation. While there are lots of amazing business class products out there, this is spacious on a whole different level.

Air France business class seat legroom
Air France business class seat legroom

Of course one of the other key features of this product is the door. During takeoff and landing this remains locked, so that it can’t be closed. However, after takeoff, it can be closed with the push of a button. I found the door to be pretty easy to operate. This won’t give you full privacy (obviously), but many of us still appreciate this feature.

Air France business class seat door

One downside to this product is that there are no individual air nozzles. Air France is installing those on newly delivered aircraft, but these planes have simply been reconfigured, and historically Air France hasn’t had air nozzles. For what it’s worth, I was flying on F-GZNK, a roughly 11-year-old aircraft. Fortunately the cabin on this flight was kept unusually cold.

Air France business class overhead console 777

Air France business class amenities

There were several amenities waiting at my seat upon boarding. There were a pair of noise canceling headphones, which were quite good. There wasn’t really a need for them, though, given that Air France has bluetooth audio on these jets.

Air France business class headphones

There were also a pillow and blanket. While not the best airplane bedding in the world, it was still above average, with a thick pillow, and a blanket that was cozy without being too warm.

Air France business class pillow & blanket

There was also a bottle of Evian water at each seat upon boarding.

Air France business class bottled water

Upon settling in, the friendly crew offered pre-departure beverages, including the choice of champagne or orange juice.

Air France business class pre-departure champagne

Amenity kits with products from Clarins were also distributed, and they contained socks, eyeshades, a dental kit, earplugs, a pen, lip balm, and a hydrating cream.

Air France business class amenity kit

Travel safety kits were also distributed, which included face masks and hand sanetizer.

Air France business class travel safety kit

Lastly, menus for the flight were passed out.

Air France business class menu

Air France 777 business class entertainment & Wi-Fi

Air France has an excellent entertainment system on its reconfigured Boeing 777s.

Air France entertainment system 777
Air France entertainment system 777

The first noteworthy feature is that there’s bluetooth audio on these planes, so you can connect your own devices to the inflight entertainment. This was really easy to do.

Air France entertainment system 777

There was a huge selection of movies, and a more modest selection of TV shows. It was kind of hard to figure out just how many there were, given that the organization was a bit confusing, as many movies were listed under multiple genres.

Air France entertainment system 777
Air France entertainment system 777

I also liked how there was a feature at the top of the screen where you could see the basic details of the flight’s progress without having to exit a TV show or movie.

Air France entertainment system 777

Then there was the map feature, which I enjoyed keeping an eye on throughout the flight. It could be customized so that you could zoom in or out as much as you wanted.

Air France 777 map feature
Air France 777 map feature
Air France 777 map feature

In recent years Air France has done a commendable job installing Wi-Fi throughout most of its fleet, and that includes the reconfigured Boeing 777s. There were three different pricing options for the Wi-Fi:

  • You could purchase a one hour “Surf” pass for 8 Euro
  • You could purchase a full flight “Surf” pass for 18 Euro
  • You could purchase a full flight “Stream” pass for 30 Euro
Air France W-Fi pricing Boeing 777

For those wondering about the difference between the “Surf” and “Stream” pass, the latter is supposed to offer higher speeds that allow you to stream videos and more.

Air France W-Fi pricing Boeing 777
Air France W-Fi pricing Boeing 777

I purchased the premium pass, and found the speeds to be phenomenal. Fast, reasonably priced Wi-Fi with no data caps is something I appreciate more than I can express.

Air France 777 departure from Paris

To my surprise (since mid-February can be a quiet time across the Atlantic), the Air France flight was packed, with just about every seat taken in all cabins. Boarding took quite some time, and at 8:35AM the captain made his welcome aboard announcement, informing us of our flight time of 7hr35min. He also explained that we were delayed a bit because two passengers hadn’t shown up, so their bags had to be offloaded. Furthermore, we’d have to be deiced.

At 8:45AM (15 minutes behind scheduled departure) the main cabin door closed. At 8:50AM we began our pushback, and at 8:55AM we began our taxi, as we were treated to a stunning sunrise.

Pushing back Paris Airport

Interestingly there was a manual safety demonstration. Is that because the reconfigured 777s have some features that differ from the previous versions, and therefore the video isn’t accurate, or…? We taxied pretty quickly, and within 10 minutes reached the deicing pad.

Taxiing Paris Airport

Deicing took around 20 minutes, so by 9:25AM that was complete.

Deicing Paris Airport

Then five minutes after that we were cleared for takeoff on runway 27L.

Taxiing Paris Airport

Air France has nose cameras on these jets, which are always enjoyable to watch during takeoff and landing.

Air France Boeing 777 nose camera

We had a pretty powerful takeoff roll, and some lovely views of a cold but clear Paris morning.

View after takeoff from Paris
View after takeoff from Paris

The seatbelt sign was turned off around five minutes after takeoff, at which point the crew closed the curtains between the galleys and cabins. I’ve heard some people suggest that Air France’s new cabins look sterile, but I have to disagree. Between the frequent use of the winged seahorse logo, the patterned carpet, and the contrast between the blue and white seat finishes, I think the cabin has some personality.

Air France 777 business class cabin

Air France business class brunch service

Given this flight’s departure time, brunch was served after takeoff. Typically breakfast or brunch are the least exciting meals you can be served on a flight, especially as the main meal. So I have to give Air France credit, as I think this was the best such meal I’ve ever had in business class.

Below you can find the brunch menu, as well as the drink list, for this flight.

Air France business class menu
Air France business wine list
Air France business drink list

About 30 minutes after takeoff, warm towels were distributed.

Air France business class warm towel

Next up, drinks were served off carts. I was offered a drink around 45 minutes after takeoff. I requested a glass of champagne, plus a cup of coffee. Currently Air France serves Duval-Leroy champagne in business class. That’s a perfectly good champagne, but also not the most exciting business class champagne out there.

Air France business class drinks

The starter was served off a cart around an hour after takeoff. This consisted of plain yogurt with granola, “strawberry tartare” with white chocolate shavings, and a salmon muffin slice topped with vegetables and cheese. On top of that, there was an excellent selection from the bread basket.

Honestly, what a tasty, well presented brunch starter.

Air France business class brunch

For the main course, I selected the omelet with cheese, celery, spinach, and tomato sauce. I’m not exaggerating when I say that this is the best omelet I’ve ever had on a plane. It wasn’t greasy at all, I appreciated the lack of breakfast meat (which are almost always included in airplane omelets, and which I don’t enjoy), and the tomato sauce had a kick to it. I would’ve been very happy having an omelet like this on the ground, and that’s saying something.

Air France business class brunch

I finished off the meal with an espresso, and was offered some pralines to go along with it.

Air France business class espresso

The entire meal service was performed at a leisurely place, and was completed just under two hours after takeoff.

At first I was sad that my flight on Air France would have brunch as the main meal, though this positively delighted me.

Air France 777 business class bed

While I didn’t get much sleep on this daytime flight, I did spend some time testing out the seat’s bed mode. It goes without saying that these bulkhead seats are incredibly spacious when sleeping, given that you don’t have to squeeze your feet into a cubby, and you can easily sleep on your side without having your knees bump into anything.

Air France business class bed
Air France business class bed

Admittedly the bulkhead seats only have different ottomans, and the seats aren’t otherwise different. In an ideal world it would be nice if these seats had larger cushions to the side as well, so that you have a much larger sleeping surface. Still, this is an unbeatable business class product for sleeping.

Air France business class bed
Air France business class bed
Air France business class door

Air France 777 business class lavatories

Air France has four lavatories in business class on the Boeing 777-300ERs, including two at the front of the aircraft, and two between the two business class cabins. These lavatories were also clearly recently refreshed. They weren’t particularly large, but were otherwise well maintained. They also contained a couple of products from Clarins.

Air France business class lavatory Boeing 777
Air France business class lavatory Boeing 777
Air France business class lavatory Boeing 777

Air France business class pre-landing snack

About 90 minutes before landing, the crew turned on the lights in the cabin, in preparation for the pre-landing meal. You can find the snack menu below.

Air France business class snack menu

Service began with warm towels being distributed. Once again, this meal was kind of breakfast-y, and everything was served on one tray. I ordered a cup of coffee and some cherry juice (which I’ve never had before — it was tasty but sweet).

The meal consisted of a puff pastry brioche with egg mayonnaise, celery, fava beans, and pickled onions. There was also a strawberry tartare with white chocolate shavings, plus a madeleine sponge cake.

Air France business class pre-landing snack

Okay, so this snack was delicious, but:

  • Is Air France intentionally serving exactly the same side (the strawberry tartare with white chocolate shavings) with both meals?
  • It’s a bit odd to serve the same type of puff pastry/muffin concept with both meals

So yeah, I really enjoyed the meal, though some variety would also be nice.

Air France business class service

I generally find service on Air France to be quite good in business class, and this flight was no exception. The first thing to acknowledge is that this was the entire crew’s first time working a flight with the new cabins, so this was a new experience for them as well. Nonetheless, you wouldn’t have known it based on their service.

All the flight attendants in business class were courteous, charming, and professional. They had an eye for detail, and always offered drink refills when a glass was empty. They also quickly responded to the call button.

Air France 777 arrival in New York

At 10:30AM local time the captain was back on the PA to announce that we’d be landing in around 40 minutes. He advised of overcast conditions and gusty winds in New York. Around that time we began our descent, and about 15 minutes later the seatbelt sign was turned on.

View approaching New York

We had a smooth touchdown at JFK at 11AM.

View approaching New York

From there we had a 10 minute taxi to Terminal 1, where we parked next to a Korean Air Boeing 747-8.

Taxiing New York
Korean Air Boeing 747-8 New York

I passed through immigration in no time thanks to Global Entry, and then headed over to the Hyatt Regency JFK, where I’d be spending the night.

Bottom line

Air France has done a phenomenal job with its new business class. The airline has a new style of reverse herringbone seats, with doors and incredible tech. On top of that, the bulkhead seats in this configuration are amazing.

Add in Air France now having fast and reasonably priced Wi-Fi, an excellent entertainment selection, friendly service, and great food, and I’d say this is one of the best ways to cross the Atlantic. Admittedly only a small portion of Air France’s fleet has this new product so far. Then again, the standard Air France business class is great as well.

It’s impressive how fast Air France got this product into service, given that Lufthansa has been talking about its new Allegris business class since 2017, yet so far zero planes have those seats. I’d say this is now the most compelling long haul product offered by any European airline.

What’s your take on Air France’s new 777 business class?

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  1. Bols59 New Member

    I'm bummed Delta has replaced AF on the SEA - CDG route. I flew DL when they were NW and it was fine, but AF is something I really wish to try in La Premiere.

  2. Jim S Guest

    Looks nice but the monitor for a business class seat was VERY small and looked disproportionate to the rest of the seat. Glad you liked it but somewhat underwhelmed.

  3. Bill Guest

    It looks like AF is repurposing uneaten breakfast food into its second meal. Brilliant!

  4. polarbear Member

    " It’s great to see that Air France has 60W USB-A chargers,..."

    1. polarbear Member

      " It’s great to see that Air France has 60W USB-A chargers,..."
      You meant 60W USB-C, right? Do not think A can deliver 60W
      (sorry, hit send too soon)

  5. Bgriff Guest

    CDG Terminal 2E opened in 2003 ... I wouldn't exactly call that "retro". Or am I getting older than I realize?

  6. Clem Diamond

    Thanks for that great review, looking forward to trying it! I'm wondering why they chose to deploy the new cabin to JFK on the early morning flight (which is the worst of all worlds since you have to wake up so early in Paris, and you arrive really early in NYC and have to stay up all day), which is also the first flight out of NYC leaving in the afternoon - not the best...

    Thanks for that great review, looking forward to trying it! I'm wondering why they chose to deploy the new cabin to JFK on the early morning flight (which is the worst of all worlds since you have to wake up so early in Paris, and you arrive really early in NYC and have to stay up all day), which is also the first flight out of NYC leaving in the afternoon - not the best flight to catch some sleep. I'll try the new seat when it expands to a more palatable schedule :) .

    1. Levi Diamond

      Perhaps the idea was to give people a reason to choose that less-optimal schedule?

      It's also not implausible that the WB flight is already a fairly high yielding flight since it's at least plausible that one could have meetings etc. in NY that day.

    2. Clem Diamond

      Very good points! I did wonder about that, if they did that for people to choose the not great schedule flights. But I would say that most people wouldn't even be aware that there is a new business class seat, let alone on which flights they are (it's not really indicated when you book a ticket).

  7. Julia Guest

    "Honestly, what a tasty, well presented brunch starter."

    But it was all served on one tray...;)

  8. Levi Diamond

    Tomorrow we get the answer to the AF J vs. BA F question which is on everyone's mind...

    (Ignoring that the quick write-ups during the trip may have given the answer already).

    Unrelated, but worth noting: Flying Blue is a program where award bookings from an elite account inherit the status of the elite member (at least on flights operated by AFKL). So if a Gold/Plat member is on a cash ticket and books an...

    Tomorrow we get the answer to the AF J vs. BA F question which is on everyone's mind...

    (Ignoring that the quick write-ups during the trip may have given the answer already).

    Unrelated, but worth noting: Flying Blue is a program where award bookings from an elite account inherit the status of the elite member (at least on flights operated by AFKL). So if a Gold/Plat member is on a cash ticket and books an award for a companion, the companion would inherit the right to choose the row 1/9 seats at booking.

  9. Jan Guest

    Is this the best J cabin in SkyTeam now? Looks amazing, surprised by the large footwells for a reverse herringbone.
    And that PE cabin is also huge! double the size of the ones in their A359.

    Must be tough to catch right now though, Still a lot of A359s and 787s TATL (which aren't bad, actually also good, IMO)

    1. Levi Diamond

      These seats will reportedly start being installed this year on the new delivery A359s and the 777s which already have reverse herringbone will gradually be refit with these seats (and with a new La Premiere as appropriate).

      As this product enters service, I'd expect a lot of North American routes served by the 772 to start getting these 48J 77Ws.

    2. Jan Guest

      Crazy about the new A359s not getting what they currently already have!

  10. GJ Guest

    I worry about safety with Air France, maybe irrationally. A few high profile incidents linger in my mind.

    More frivolously, I’m on the fence about their J catering. This post is not representative as a morning flight, but for lunch/dinner flights they don’t offer as much choice as similar airlines (ex: no appetiser choice and one of the two on the plate is often foie gras, that I personally don’t like and many folks ethically...

    I worry about safety with Air France, maybe irrationally. A few high profile incidents linger in my mind.

    More frivolously, I’m on the fence about their J catering. This post is not representative as a morning flight, but for lunch/dinner flights they don’t offer as much choice as similar airlines (ex: no appetiser choice and one of the two on the plate is often foie gras, that I personally don’t like and many folks ethically object to; and trio of mini desserts with no choice - the additional sorbet is a nice touch though). But on the flip side, the quality of what they serve tends to be better than the likes of BA or Lufthansa.

    1. Gravelly Point Guy Guest

      Agreed with the safety part, they suck!! Ooooh Lalaaa perhaps on caviar and fromage and champagne and tart tartin, but as far as safety is concerned, stay away from this airline!!!

    2. Carrie Member

      I appreciate the above concerns as someone who is a little unsure as to flying Air France having been advised that the training of pilots for AF is not as rigorous as for other airlines. Does anyone have any evidence to support this fear?

  11. cb Guest

    Great product, but the trade-off is that flights are disrupted a few days every month due to strikes...

    1. Icarus Guest

      Another fallacy

      Air France has not had any significant industrial action for several years.

      Air traffic control strikes have little impact on longhauls

  12. Anthony Diamond

    I am always fascinated by meal serving decisions on these flights...

    This was a EU to NYC flight that started in the morning... Rather than a "brunch" served with another snack (which looked like a second breakfast) right before arrival... Wouldn't it be better to serve "breakfast" and then "lunch," with the second meal being the main meal instead of the first, an served maybe four to five ours after takeoff (instead of 90 minutes before landing)?

    1. Creditcrunch Diamond

      I was surprised that the AF catering for J on the early flight did not feature more options and indeed meat options other than fish. I’ve done the BA117 LHR-JFK many times and the menu is always breakfast with 3 options then afternoon tea as the second meal service.

    2. Levi Diamond

      Breakfast isn't as big of a thing in France (the AF lounge offer in that timeframe is also evidence of that) as in the Anglosphere.

      The second meal is the standard one of late for a short WB TATL. I will say that it's the best egg salad sandwich I've ever had where none of my hens made contributions, but it's designed for after a quite filling multiple course lunch (since the flights it's on...

      Breakfast isn't as big of a thing in France (the AF lounge offer in that timeframe is also evidence of that) as in the Anglosphere.

      The second meal is the standard one of late for a short WB TATL. I will say that it's the best egg salad sandwich I've ever had where none of my hens made contributions, but it's designed for after a quite filling multiple course lunch (since the flights it's on typically depart in the afternoon).

      Airlines have a strong preference for doing the main meal first on "meal & snack" flights, though I'm not totally sure why (it can't be weight, for instance).

    3. reddargon Diamond

      I think airlines prefer to do the main meal first because of the nature of airplane food. It's all cooked on the ground, loaded, and then heated up in the air. So serving the main meal closer to takeoff means that it's "fresher" when they serve it.

  13. Tim W Guest

    @Ben - What routes have/will have this updated business class product?

    1. Levi Diamond

      At this point there's only 3 planes flying with it (with 3 or 4 more being refit as I write, which means we're likely to see the last of the 2-3-2 angle flats by the end of the year). The early flight to JFK and the earliest evening departure from JFK are the firmest flights for this product on the schedule. It's also been used to Dakar and Rio regularly and it was used to Boston one random day in February.

  14. TravelinWilly Diamond

    AF has really upped their game, haven’t they!

    Now please make them bring back LP to JNB (which ends at the end of the month)!

  15. RaleighDawg Guest

    I was very unlucky and had booked this same flight to go on 2/24/23 and I am guessing due to the fire in JFK, the planes were shuffled. It showed the new seat map and seat assignments even after boarding, but they had moved us around and I got lucky that the mom and kid next to us had had the same thing. So we just switched to be with our kids. We ended up...

    I was very unlucky and had booked this same flight to go on 2/24/23 and I am guessing due to the fire in JFK, the planes were shuffled. It showed the new seat map and seat assignments even after boarding, but they had moved us around and I got lucky that the mom and kid next to us had had the same thing. So we just switched to be with our kids. We ended up on a flight with the old old 2/3/2 configuration and couldn't even lay flat. I ended up really enjoying it and got 4.5 hours of good sleep on the flight, but was very disappointed that i wasn't able to check out the new seats. The seat entertainment was unusable it was so slow, but i never really use those anyhow. Hoping for better luck for an AA flight in June to Italy.

  16. Rony Guest

    @ben thanks for the review. in the past these AF business bulk head seats had a bassinet in the space where the ottoman now is. it looks like those are gone now but do you know if they moved the bassinets to another seat? thanks!

  17. shoeguy Gold

    Recently flew the new AF product on CDG-JFK and agree with you. The product is top notch and improves upon many aspects that made the previous cabin already quite good. Lufthansa's premium products are inconsistent, dated, and the new Allegris cabins dull.

    1. D. Gremillon Guest

      Not to mention that beast British Air.

    2. ChrisGVA Guest

      And the wine offering in LH is a disaster i.e. 7USD low cost wine for business class long haul and 45USD for the first class Champagne.

      Here I'm not impressed much by the wine offered, as a French airlines I expected wine level to be close to the level of QR, this is not the case.

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Icarus Guest

Another fallacy Air France has not had any significant industrial action for several years. Air traffic control strikes have little impact on longhauls

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shoeguy Gold

Recently flew the new AF product on CDG-JFK and agree with you. The product is top notch and improves upon many aspects that made the previous cabin already quite good. Lufthansa's premium products are inconsistent, dated, and the new Allegris cabins dull.

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Levi Diamond

Perhaps the idea was to give people a reason to choose that less-optimal schedule? It's also not implausible that the WB flight is already a fairly high yielding flight since it's at least plausible that one could have meetings etc. in NY that day.

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