- Introduction: Four Times Across The Atlantic
- Review: ITA Airways Business Class A350 (MIA-FCO)
- Review: ITA Airways Lounge Rome Airport (FCO)
- Review: Prima Vista Lounge Rome Airport (FCO)
- Review: ITA Airways Business Class A320 (FCO-CAI)
- Changing Terminals At Cairo Airport: Still Complicated
- Review: EgyptAir Lounge Cairo Airport (CAI)
- My Rough Night At Cairo Airport, Made Better By EgyptAir’s Osama
- Review: EgyptAir Business Class 787 (CAI-CDG)
- Review: Sheraton Paris Airport (CDG)
- Review: YOTELAIR Paris Airport Priority Pass Lounge (CDG)
- Review: Air France Lounge Paris Airport (CDG)
- Review: New Air France Business Class 777-300ER (CDG-JFK)
- Review: Hyatt Regency JFK At Resorts World New York
- Review: AA & BA Greenwich Lounge New York (JFK)
- Review: AA & BA Soho Lounge New York (JFK)
- Review: AA & BA Chelsea Lounge New York (JFK)
- Review: Amex Centurion Lounge New York (JFK)
- Review: British Airways Lounge Newark Airport (EWR)
- Review: New British Airways First Class 777 (EWR-LHR)
- Review: Renaissance London Heathrow Hotel (LHR)
- Review: Virgin Atlantic Clubhouse London Heathrow (LHR)
- Review: Amex Centurion Lounge London Heathrow (LHR)
- Review: No1 Lounge London Heathrow (LHR)
- Review: Virgin Atlantic A330neo Upper Class Business Class (LHR-MIA)
- Is Virgin Atlantic’s Retreat Suite Worth It?
For the next portion of my review trip, I checked out the three “new” American Airlines & British Airways lounges at JFK’s Terminal 8, prior to my British Airways first class flight to London. In this post I’ll review the Greenwich Lounge, and then in separate installments I’ll review the Soho Lounge and the Chelsea Lounge.
The Greenwich Lounge is an excellent business class lounge, with great views, comfortable seating, a solid selection of food and drinks, and two special amenities that set it apart. To many American fliers it should also look familiar, as it’s the former Flagship Lounge, and not much has changed.
In this post:
Basics of American & British Airways JFK lounges
To provide a bit of background, in late 2022, British Airways moved to Terminal 8 at JFK. American Airlines and British Airways have a lucrative transatlantic joint venture, and New York to London is one of the most important air markets in the world. As a result, this terminal move was a big development for the two airlines.
Given how big the combined presence of the two carriers is at JFK, we’ve seen major lounge investments at Terminal 8. There are now three premium lounges in the terminal — the Greenwich Lounge, the Soho Lounge, and the Chelsea Lounge.
While it’s cute that they’re named after neighborhoods that exist in both New York and London, the names don’t do a whole lot to tell you which is most premium, and which you have access to.
To briefly summarize the basics of the three lounges:
- The Chelsea Lounge is the most exclusive lounge, and is roughly 10,000 square feet with seating for 128 passengers, and it’s an all-new space; it’s open to select first class passengers on American and British Airways, and it replaces the former Flagship First Dining facility
- The Soho Lounge is the next lounge, and is roughly 12,000 square feet with seating for 282 guests, and it’s an all-new space; it’s open to oneworld Emerald members on select itineraries
- The Greenwich Lounge is the final lounge, and is roughly 27,000 square feet with seating for 590 guests, and it replaces the former Flagship Lounge; it’s open to select business class passengers on all oneworld airlines, plus oneworld Sapphire members on select itineraries
I’ll go into more detail on each of the lounge’s entry requirements with the individual reviews, but wanted to provide a basic overview. Note that in addition to this there’s the Admirals Club, which has standard Admirals Club access rules.
Greenwich Lounge New York location
The Greenwich Lounge New York is easy to find. Once you clear security at JFK Terminal 8, just walk down the main pathway toward the gates, past the Bobby Van’s Grill (which is on the right).
You’ll see signage above the walkway pointing in the direction of the various lounges, and as you can see, the Greenwich Lounge is to the left.
When you turn left toward gates 1-12, you’ll immediately see the elevators to the Greenwich Lounge on the left.
It’s useful that there are signs on the terminal level that share the entry requirements for the lounge, though that didn’t seem to help a whole lot with avoiding confusion. I’m sure over time more travelers will get the hang of who can access each lounge.
Greenwich Lounge New York hours
The Greenwich Lounge JFK is open daily from 4:30AM until 11PM, covering virtually all departures from the terminal. If you’re departing on a oneworld flight, then the Greenwich Lounge should be open.
Greenwich Lounge New York entry requirements
Despite its name, the Greenwich Lounge is a Flagship Lounge for all practical purposes when it comes to entry requirements. The Greenwich Lounge can be accessed by:
- American Flagship Business passengers; this includes those on premium transcon flights (to LAX, SFO, and SNA), as well as long haul business class flights
- Long haul business class passengers on all oneworld partners, including British Airways, Qatar Airways, etc.
- American AAdvantage Platinum members and Alaska Mileage Plan MVP Gold members on long haul itineraries (this doesn’t include premium transcon flights)
- oneworld Sapphire members with foreign frequent flyer programs on any same day oneworld itinerary, even if it’s domestic
Note that those accessing the lounge based on flying in business class can’t bring any guests, while those accessing the lounge based on their status can bring one guest.
Greenwich Lounge New York layout & seating
While the Soho Lounge and Chelsea Lounge feature all-new decor, the Greenwich Lounge is just a repurposed Flagship Lounge, and the design reflects that. The lounge primarily consists of one huge room, with floor-to-ceiling windows that afford great views of the apron. I’d say the decor feels fresh but also a bit sterile.
In this section I’ll cover the main part of the lounge, and then below I’ll separately talk about The Tasting Room and The Bridge Bar, which are the unique new features of the lounge.
When you enter the Greenwich Lounge, there a variety of seats with side tables, and then also some dining tables with two to three seats each.
There’s then a sitting area with TVs, which is (fortunately) the only part of the lounge where TVs are prevalent.
Off to the side of the TV area is a quiet area, which is located in a separate room with a door. I find that this space tends to stay quietest, and many people don’t even notice this space.
When you go deeper into the lounge, there’s a central walkway with a bunch of dining tables and communal tables, and this is also where the self-serve wine bar is.
Then the back of the lounge has plenty more seating, with rows of chairs that frankly feel a bit like your run-of-the-mill Admirals Club.
There are also some cool x-shaped seating arrangements which can each accommodate four guests, as well as some booths that make good workstations (they’re the only cubicle-style seats in the lounge).
The best seating is by the windows, where there are plenty of chairs with ottomans. This is an ideal place to sit if you’re wanting to take in the views.
As far as crowding goes at the Greenwich Lounge, you can expect that it’ll be nice and quiet for the mornings and early afternoons, given that most long haul flights out of JFK Terminal 8 are to Europe. The lounge really gets busy in the evenings, starting at around 5PM, when passengers start to show up for all the flights to Europe.
Greenwich Lounge New York The Tasting Room
In addition to the main part of the lounge, The Greenwich Lounge also has The Tasting Room (otherwise referred to as The Brooklyn Brewery Pub), which is open to all lounge guests at no extra cost.
While The Tasting Room only has service starting at 10:30AM, you can sit there at any hour. This is in the space of the former Flagship First Dining facility, and the entrance is located right next to the main buffet.
This is a gorgeous space, with both high-top seating, tables, and chairs by the windows. The view from this part of the lounge are great, and because it’s hidden a bit, it tends to stay pretty quiet.
In The Tasting Room, you can expect a variety of beers on tap, which can either be ordered individually, or as part of a flight.
On top of that there’s a menu of bar snacks, ranging from charcuterie, to pretzels, to bratwurst, to grilled cheese.
This is such a well executed concept, in my opinion, and adds some personality to an otherwise sterile lounge.
Greenwich Lounge New York The Bridge Bar
In addition to The Tasting Room, the Greenwich Lounge also has The Bridge Bar. This is an open-air space overlooking the terminal, and it’s intended to have a mid-century modern design with a classic 1960s feel. The Bridge Bar has a variety of cocktails on offer, with a special focus on Aviation American Gin and Betty Buzz.
When The Bridge Bar is fully operational, it can be accessed by turning right at the Greenwich Lounge reception. However, that entrance is kept closed in the mornings, but this space is still accessible, though it’s mostly hidden. You can get there by walking through The Tasting Room, and then eventually you’ll find yourself in this space.
The Bridge Bar has some signature cocktails, which you can find below.
By the way, as part of the opening of The Tasting Room and The Bridge Bar, there’s a whole bunch of additional lounge seating beyond those two spaces. The former Admirals Club connects those two unique concepts, and that’s now part of the Greenwich Lounge as well. While there’s nothing remarkable about the space, this is great in terms of expanding capacity, given that this lounge can sometimes get crowded.
Greenwich Lounge New York food & drinks
The Greenwich Lounge has a large self-serve buffet, located toward the front of the lounge. I checked out both the breakfast and lunch selection.
The breakfast buffet had a yogurt parfait bar, a variety of fruit, cold cuts and cheese, pastries, bagels, bread, croissants, and several hot dishes. Hot options included scrambled eggs, baked beans, sausage, bacon, and potatoes.
For lunch, the selection included a variety of yogurt, olives, several types of salads, cold cuts, sushi, a variety of hot dishes, bread, and dessert, including chocolate squares, lemon bars, and cookies.
As far as drinks go, there was a Coca-Cola soda fountain and coffee machine (both of which weren’t working), a selection of beers, canned soda, bottled water, and juice.
Then in the center of the lounge was the wine selection, which included several white, red, and rose options, as well as champagne. Self-serve Piper-Heidsieck isn’t half bad, if you ask me!
There’s also a large selection of self-serve liquor. With the Bridge Bar having now opened, you can of course also have the bartender there make you a cocktail.
I think the food & drink selection in the lounge is solid, but also nothing memorable. This isn’t to the level of a United Polaris Lounge, where you get a la carte dining and barista-made coffee.
Greenwich Lounge New York bathrooms & showers
The Greenwich Lounge’s bathrooms are in the very back left of the lounge. The men’s room had half a dozen sinks, and several urinals and stalls.
The Greenwich Lounge also has six shower suites, which are excellent.
Each shower suite has a toilet, a sink, and a walk-in shower, with toiletries from D.S. & DURGA.
Bottom line
The Greenwich Lounge offers a pleasant experience for business class passengers and elite members, with a spacious layout featuring lots of natural light, a decent selection of food, a good selection of drinks, shower suites, and some special amenities, in the form of The Tasting Room and The Bridge Bar.
Personally I don’t think this lounge is quite to the level of a United Polaris Lounge, but then again, this is the least premium of the three lounges in the terminal.
In the context of the lounge changes we’ve seen, the Greenwich Lounge is largely unchanged compared to the former Flagship Lounge. However, it is a bit better than before, given the introduction of The Tasting Room and The Bridge Bar, which are two cute amenities that I think add a lot of personality and capacity to the space. Then again, a lot more people also have access to this lounge now.
This is definitely the least elegant of the three lounges, which isn’t surprising, since it wasn’t actually designed from scratch.
What do you make of the Greenwich Lounge JFK?
Since you say, most of the people passing thru are in the evenings so it would have been good to get a read on the food offerings in the evening, the old Flagship lounge was not friendly if you were a vegetarian and it was dirty, overcrowded and rude service staff, is this one an improvement?
Has the Elemis Spa been removed from the Business Class lounge at JFK?
I've been told that you can't access this lounge if you have an award ticket in flagship business. I've also been told you cannot access this lounge if you bought the ticket through JetBlue even though you're flying on American metal. Both of these things are ridiculous since these two scenarios are how I bought tickets for my family to travel with me on a trip.
Told by who? Looking at the access rules (https://www.aa.com/i18n/travel-info/clubs/joint-premium-lounges.jsp), there’s no mention of award tickets not being eligible.
Hi there!
Was curious if flying business flagship or first flagship LAX > JFK, if you still have access to Greenwich lounge upon arrival to JFK? Platinum Pro AA status.
Thanks so much in advance!
Can you access this on any AA business class ticket or only Flagship?
I passed through the old Flagship lounge plenty of times. It lacked seating at the busiest times, and it looks like they've addressed that. (Sufficiently is a different question...) But prior to the afternoon international departures, when the club was busy, the buffet was like a dumpster full of rabid raccoons. Not increasing area for food service will make that only worse now.
Is it possible to access on arrival? I've never been through JFK before, so not sure how customs and immigration works. Thanks.
If you don’t have a connecting flight in terminal 8 you would not have access on arrival.
A Beautiful detailed review. Only missing the bar bites from the tasting room. The all 'sound' so good.
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I was there early morning yesterday, before my flight to London. I found the lounge totally soulless, out of the three coffee machine, two were out of order, the third one ran out of milk…and no one in sight to help…not a good experience. Never the usual “charm” one gets from staff in a US airport….but then again, the terminal leaves a lot to be desired. Probably the only place in the world without a Starbucks.
I was there Wednesday morning. The lounge is the Flagship Lounge. Nothing has really changed, but for the bar and tasting area replacing Flagship First. The food and drink offerings were plentiful (they could improve the coffee a bit). Everything was clean and well maintained, but for some spilled drink and crumbs at the table adjacent to mine.
@Lucky - Do you know what the lounge access rules are for Iberia Business Class passengers (non-elite) departing from JFK T8? I've heard reports that they do not receive access to the Greenwich Lounge and are instead redirected to the Admrials Club. The same also seems to be the case with the premium checkin facility. If true, this would be a big service quality differential, but I would not be all that surprised considering how cheap Iberia is.
I can’t speak to the lounge question (I’m OW Emerald), but you’re right about he check in. IB’s feels very much like a bastard step child.
I was there two weeks ago. It was a pleasant experience. As someone, who rarely has access to lounges, I appreciated everything about it. I arrived early and noticed it was getting crowded towards the 7-7:30 pm range.
Don’t know Polaris in Neark, but st LAX, while the menu looked good, the food truly sucked (March 6).
@lucky
Any idea why there is proper champagne for the masses in this lounge but an Italian sparkling in soho? That is really bizarre.
So where do the Admirals Club members go?
To the Admirals Club in Concourse C.
I don't know about NYC but the areas of London follow the lounges in terms of their cost.
Chelsea being the most expensive of the three, Soho in the middle with Greenwich being the most "attainable" of the three to live in from a cost perspective.
Pretty much the reverse in NYC. (Adjusting for the types and quantities of housing stock.)
I was waiting for these reviews. Thanks!
It has been so confusing with all these options. So as Emerald by Finnair I can expect to go to the Soho lounge regardless of where I am flying.
@ Daniel from Finland -- Yep, that's correct! Soho Lounge review is coming very shortly, so stay tuned. :-)
Was in SoHo lounge two weeks ago. I like Greenwich better.
Why?
@ Rjb -- Very interesting, I'm curious as well. What do you prefer about the Greenwich Lounge compared to the Soho Lounge?
Please for the love of god ban than WuMao ruining the comments.
The soft drink machine seems to be constantly broken.
@ Abidjan -- Yeah, very odd, eh? Guessing "supply chain issues" is the excuse.
So many lounges! It does seem confusing. Is there a 4th lounge for “regular” Admirals Club?
@ David P -- There is indeed an Admirals Club, though it requires taking the tunnel to the other pier. It's not nice at all, and desperately in need of a renovation.
Silly observation, but I wonder why some bathroom stall doors swing out and the others swing in.
@ Chris -- Not a silly observation at all! I'm guessing it's about accessibility, and the stalls with doors that swing out are designed for those with special accessibility requirements?
Indeed - the last two stalls with doors that swing out are accessible stalls - you can see in the mirror reflection that those stalls have grab bars installed. ADA code requires at least one accessible stall per restroom but in this case, it seems like during bathroom renovation, space constraint and plumbing code (required number of stalls for space it needs to serve prevented from installing a full size ADA compliant stall and reducing...
Indeed - the last two stalls with doors that swing out are accessible stalls - you can see in the mirror reflection that those stalls have grab bars installed. ADA code requires at least one accessible stall per restroom but in this case, it seems like during bathroom renovation, space constraint and plumbing code (required number of stalls for space it needs to serve prevented from installing a full size ADA compliant stall and reducing the number) resulted in two alternate sized ADA stalls. It's actually a welcome solution as most restrooms only have one dedicated stall and that is sometimes not enough.
Usually ones that swing out are for disabled people - it's easier to get a wheel chair in for example.
Thanks all, but another dumb question - if it's easier to get in and out of a stall with a door if you're in a wheelchair, wouldn't it also be easier even if you weren't? Thinking about maneuvering with my large backpack, I'd think yes (haven't thought of it much before, honestly). I think I'd want all the doors to swing out!