Is Marriott Bonvoy Titanium Elite Worth It?

Is Marriott Bonvoy Titanium Elite Worth It?

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In this post I wanted to take a closer look at Marriott Bonvoy Titanium status, which is Marriott’s elite tier that requires 75 nights annually. All the time I see people ask whether it’s worth going for Titanium status over Platinum status, so I wanted to share my take on that.

Marriott Bonvoy Platinum, Titanium, and Ambassador requirements

Marriott Bonvoy has five elite tiers, but I’d argue that status really starts to get valuable at the Platinum tier. There are two tiers above that, though. Specifically, here are the requirements over the course of a calendar year to qualify for Platinum, Titanium, and Ambassador status:

  • Platinum status requires 50 elite qualifying nights
  • Titanium status requires 75 elite qualifying night
  • Ambassador status requires 100 elite qualifying nights plus $20,000 of qualifying spending

Before you assume that these requirements are really high and unachievable, keep in mind that in the United States it’s easy to earn 30 elite nights per year through Marriott’s co-branded credit cards.

For example, I have the Marriott Bonvoy Brilliant™ American Express® Card (review) and Marriott Bonvoy Business® American Express® Card (review), and just for holding onto those two cards I get 30 elite nights per year. That gives me quite a head start to earning status.

What are the advantages of Marriott Bonvoy Titanium status?

Marriott Bonvoy Platinum status requires only 50 elite nights per year, and comes with many great elite perks. I’d consider the most significant to be:

  • Room upgrades subject to availability, and at most Marriott brands you’re eligible for an upgrade to a standard suite
  • Complimentary executive lounge access at most Marriott brands
  • Complimentary breakfast at most Marriott brands
  • Guaranteed 4PM late check-out (except at resorts, where it’s subject to availability)
  • Access to the Choice Benefits program when you pass 50 elite nights per year, where you can select Suite Night Awards as a perk

So, what are the incremental perks of Titanium status over Platinum status, given that Titanium status requires 75 nights rather than 50 nights? Let’s go over those, in no particular order.

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75% Bonvoy bonus points

When it comes to earning points, Platinum members receive 50% bonus points on hotel stays, and Titanium members receive 75% bonus points. You ordinarily earn 10 base points per dollar spent, meaning Platinum members earn 15x points per dollar spent, while Titanium members earn 17.5x points per dollar spent.

I value Bonvoy points at 0.7 cents each, so I consider that to be an incremental 1.75% return on Marriott spending.

Earn more bonus points as a Bonvoy Titanium member

Ritz-Carlton suite upgrades, subject to availability

On paper the upgrade benefits for Bonvoy Platinum and Bonvoy Titanium members are identical, with one exception — Titanium members are eligible for space available suite upgrades at Ritz-Carlton properties, while Platinum members aren’t.

That’s how the rules are published, at least. That’s not to say that Titanium members will always get suite upgrades at Ritz-Carltons, and it’s also not to say that Platinum members will never get suite upgrades at Ritz-Carltons.

But Ritz-Carlton is the one brand where the upgrade benefit is different between Platinum and Titanium members.

Bonvoy Titanium members may get Ritz-Carlton suite upgrades

United MileagePlus Silver elite status

Bonvoy Titanium members receive free United MileagePlus Silver status. This is valid for as long as they maintain Titanium status, and registration is required. This is United’s entry level status, and offers perks like bonus miles, a complimentary checked bag, and space available upgrades to first class and Economy Plus.

If you’re an occasional United flyer this could come in handy, though don’t expect to regularly get first class upgrades as a Silver member.

Receive United MileagePlus Silver status as a Bonvoy Titanium member

Access to additional Choice Benefits

Marriott Bonvoy members can select Choice Benefits when they pass 50 elite nights and 75 elite nights in a calendar year. So if you earn Titanium status with 75 elite nights, you’ll also be able to select an additional set of Choice Benefits.

Personally I’d select the five Suite Night Awards, each of which allows you to confirm a suite upgrade for a one night stay up to five days prior to arrival, subject to availability.

I find Suite Night Awards to be quite valuable

Potentially better “soft” treatment

The above are the main published differences between Platinum and Titanium status in the Bonvoy program. I do think it’s at least worth mentioning that travelers may find that they get better “soft” treatment as a Titanium member than a Platinum member. After all, it’s a higher elite tier.

So you may find that the average Titanium member has better luck with upgrades than the average Platinum member. This won’t consistently be the case, but it’s logical that many hotels prioritize upgrades based on elite tier, even if the benefits are supposed to be the same.

Bonvoy Titanium members may have better luck with upgrades

My experience with Marriott Bonvoy Titanium status

I’ve been a Bonvoy Titanium member for a couple of years, so I’ll share my experience. For context:

  • Prior to being a Bonvoy Titanium member I was a Bonvoy Ambassador member (going back to the Starwood Preferred Guest days), but I don’t go out of my way to stay at Marriotts like I used to with Starwood
  • I’m also a lifetime Bonvoy Platinum member, so I always have that to fall back on
  • Nonetheless I earn Bonvoy Titanium status, as I get 30 elite nights per year with co-branded credit cards, and then I organically spend 45+ nights per year at Marriott properties

Have I found Titanium status to be worth the incremental perks over Platinum status? I’m not sure, to be honest, because I’m also very strategic about the places where I elect to stay at Marriotts. The way I view it:

  • I do consistently get value out of Suite Night Awards, so I appreciate being able to earn 10 of those per year as a Titanium member, vs. just five per year as a Platinum member; this year alone I’ve had Suite Night Awards clear at the St. Regis Aspen, W Muscat, St. Regis Venice, Gritti Palace Venice, King George Athens, and Hotel Grande Bretagne
  • Most of my Marriott stays are outside the United States, and I avoid properties that are known to be bad with elite recognition
  • I can’t say that I feel like I get many incremental “soft” perks for being a Titanium member over a Platinum member

So based on my experience is it worth going out of my way to earn Titanium status? No. But I happen to earn it through my hotel stays (combined with the elite nights I earn through credit cards), so the current system works for me.

I was able to use a Suite Night Award at Gritti Palace Venice

Bottom line

Titanium status is Marriott Bonvoy’s 75-night elite tier, between Platinum and Ambassador status. It offers limited incremental perks over Platinum status, including 75% bonus points (rather than 50% bonus points), suite upgrades at Ritz-Carltons, United MileagePlus Silver status, and access to more Choice Benefits.

I don’t find there to be much difference in treatment otherwise between Titanium and Platinum status. I think the biggest thing I value is earning an additional five Suite Night Awards per year through the Choice Benefits program.

If you’re a Bonvoy Titanium member, what has your experience been like?

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  1. On the fence with Marriott Guest

    It would be nice to actually have your suite nights honored. It doesn't matter where I stay in the US or internationally as a titanium elite for life member, I am never upgraded to a suite! Mind you... I do try to always stay at a category 8 or 7 property

  2. Eskimo Guest

    Don't we have a few good things to say as Titanium? ;)

  3. Michael Guest

    Early last year, with COVID restrictions everywhere, I was staying in a Marriott property as a Titanium member - mainly because it was close to where I was working. I was there for weeks on end and at times according to the hotel staff there was <10% occupancy - even though I asked, not got an upgrade option. During my stay, Hilton had a nice promotion going on - but their property was a little...

    Early last year, with COVID restrictions everywhere, I was staying in a Marriott property as a Titanium member - mainly because it was close to where I was working. I was there for weeks on end and at times according to the hotel staff there was <10% occupancy - even though I asked, not got an upgrade option. During my stay, Hilton had a nice promotion going on - but their property was a little further away, but I asked the M property manager if there was anything they could do to match some of the Hilton benefits/promotion - she said she would look into it, but never got back to me. I spent the next 80 nights at the Hilton. The only Titanium perk I seem to get is a "thank you for being a T elite" at check in....$10 F&B credit? yeah, right....

    1. Jill Guest

      What about United Silver Status?

  4. PC Guest

    I have almost 1,800 nights in Marriott hotels and have Lifetime Titanium Elite Status. The soft treatment is very seldom, once in a blue moon when the hotel is otherwise dead empty.

    There are absolutely NO upgrades ever offered, ever given at Ritz Carlton. Your Marriott status makes you a pauper at Ritz.

    Likewise, the suite upgrades offered in my program have gone unused as they are never confirmed and would serve better...

    I have almost 1,800 nights in Marriott hotels and have Lifetime Titanium Elite Status. The soft treatment is very seldom, once in a blue moon when the hotel is otherwise dead empty.

    There are absolutely NO upgrades ever offered, ever given at Ritz Carlton. Your Marriott status makes you a pauper at Ritz.

    Likewise, the suite upgrades offered in my program have gone unused as they are never confirmed and would serve better as toilet paper.

    At the property at check in, 90% of the time all the suites "are sold out".

    Late check out is a perk that works most of the time.

    Sometimes I get a king upgrade, if I'm lucky.

    Bottomline. the marriott bonvoy program is corporate run sham. If the property is run by an independent investor group, then they make their own decisions and usually ignore the Marriott claimed perks. I have great status and at least the greet me with a smile and give me free breakfast. Otherwise there isn't much more to it.

    1. FNT Delta Diamond Guest

      I've been ambassador since August 2018, when Ritz-Carlton Rewards, Marriott Rewards and SPG merged into a unified loyalty program. Remember, Bonvoy wasn't launched until 2019. Before August 2018, I was a platinum premier in Marriott Rewards. I have lifetime titanium status as well. I think my first year as a platinum with legacy Marriott was around 2012. Around 2015, I picked up SPG status.

      I received in-room amenities at most Marriott full-service branded properties...

      I've been ambassador since August 2018, when Ritz-Carlton Rewards, Marriott Rewards and SPG merged into a unified loyalty program. Remember, Bonvoy wasn't launched until 2019. Before August 2018, I was a platinum premier in Marriott Rewards. I have lifetime titanium status as well. I think my first year as a platinum with legacy Marriott was around 2012. Around 2015, I picked up SPG status.

      I received in-room amenities at most Marriott full-service branded properties and some limited service properties in late 2018 and throughout the first half of 2019.

      The amenities stopped before covid and have never come back.

      The only exception is the Cadillac, Autograph Collection in Miami Beach. They always send a cheese plate and bottle of wine to the room. And not just my room but other ambassadors and titaniums.

      Hyatt isn't much better.

      Yes, corporate enforces the breakfast benefit better than Marriott. That's because Hyatt manages most of its full-service properties, unlike Marriott. However, as a globalist I never receive any welcome amenity. And Hyatt's limited domestic United States footprint makes it a nightmare to re-qualify for globalist as Hyatt Place properties -- often the only option in a market -- are just plain horrible. I'd rather stay at a Holiday Inn Express than a Hyatt Place.

    2. Jimmy Guest

      I've only ever stayed twice at an RC property. Both times I was Titanium, and I was upgraded to a suite both times.

  5. Andy Diamond

    I agree with your assessment and the comments I am currently a Titanium member, due to a spike in travel in 2019. Often (in more than 50% of the cases) I’m greeted as a Platinum … The United Silver membership would probably help to get E+, but the last time I flew United was about five years ago and I purchased E+ on this occasion. The cost is easily amortized given how infrequent it happens....

    I agree with your assessment and the comments I am currently a Titanium member, due to a spike in travel in 2019. Often (in more than 50% of the cases) I’m greeted as a Platinum … The United Silver membership would probably help to get E+, but the last time I flew United was about five years ago and I purchased E+ on this occasion. The cost is easily amortized given how infrequent it happens. Bottom line: I don’t do any extra effort for Titanium, if it happens that’s fine.

  6. AaronP Guest

    Lifetime since 2004, but the pandemic changed everything. Had great stays in Russia and China but that's all in the rear view mirror...

    1. Jill Guest

      Why you say that?

      There will be another opportunity to return again

  7. Gulfriend Guest

    i have been Titanium since the relaunch as Bonvoy. Quite often I am referred to as Platinum, the guest internet often says as Platinum member I get ........ to honest i see little extra benefit. Whether you are Platinum of Titanium, if you have a good relationship with the hotel, they will normally do their best to give a good upgrade.

  8. Alex Guest

    LTP here. Been Titanium for the last few years. Right before covid I had a spike of business travel that pushed me up a bit and ever since Marriott has been extending status.

    I took 40k cert as more clear value choice for the 75 nights, worth about $200.

    United Silver is a big benefit for a non-UA flyer who occasionally gets in UA metal or books a partner with UA miles. It's a big...

    LTP here. Been Titanium for the last few years. Right before covid I had a spike of business travel that pushed me up a bit and ever since Marriott has been extending status.

    I took 40k cert as more clear value choice for the 75 nights, worth about $200.

    United Silver is a big benefit for a non-UA flyer who occasionally gets in UA metal or books a partner with UA miles. It's a big deal. No, won't get upgraded to First but you get better domestic award availability that helps a lot to connect to the main flight, you get free bags on domestic flights and you get premium economy seating. That's quite a lot actually.

  9. Stuart Guest

    Having both Ambassador and Globalist I can assure you that if traveling in the U.S. any status with Bonvoy, even Ambassador, is completely worthless. Yes, overseas it does have value. Why? Because Bonvoy has less footprint and more competition than in the U.S. The takeaway on this is a reminder as to why monopolies work against consumers. Only in markets where Bonvoy has real competition do they make any sort of effort.

    Hyatt on...

    Having both Ambassador and Globalist I can assure you that if traveling in the U.S. any status with Bonvoy, even Ambassador, is completely worthless. Yes, overseas it does have value. Why? Because Bonvoy has less footprint and more competition than in the U.S. The takeaway on this is a reminder as to why monopolies work against consumers. Only in markets where Bonvoy has real competition do they make any sort of effort.

    Hyatt on the other hand has continually come through anywhere, including the U.S. Bottom line, this post should be clear that for those who travel primarily in the U.S. it should be to expect nothing, even at Ambassador.

    1. FNT Delta Diamond Guest

      Outside of the breakfast benefit, Hyatt isn't much better than Marriott.

      The only difference domestically is that Hyatt manages most of its full-service properties, unlike Marriott. Over 70% of all Marriott properties across all Marriott brands are managed by a franchisee or a third-party company hired to manage for the franchisee. That's the real reason why Hyatt is better. When you own or manage most of the hotels, you can ensure quality.

      As a...

      Outside of the breakfast benefit, Hyatt isn't much better than Marriott.

      The only difference domestically is that Hyatt manages most of its full-service properties, unlike Marriott. Over 70% of all Marriott properties across all Marriott brands are managed by a franchisee or a third-party company hired to manage for the franchisee. That's the real reason why Hyatt is better. When you own or manage most of the hotels, you can ensure quality.

      As a globalist I never receive any welcome amenity at Hyatt properties.

      Hyatt's limited domestic United States footprint makes it a nightmare to re-qualify for globalist as Hyatt Place properties -- often the only option in a market -- are just plain horrible. I'd rather stay at a Holiday Inn Express than a Hyatt Place.

  10. Kent Guest

    Even as an Ambassador, I don’t find the Bonvoy elite statuses attractive. Frankly there are other hotel chains that I much prefer staying at for my personal trips. It just happens to be that my firm has a tie up hotels in the Marriott family.

    1. Kent Guest

      Just one clarification - I generally find the attention to elite status and service in general to better outside the U.S. and Europe. Hospitality isn’t our strength. Having said that, the elite statuses don’t add much value unlike at Hilton, IHG or at the Oberois, based on my experience.

  11. Kevin B. Guest

    No. Lifetime Plat, 3yr Titanium. Just this week I received a cancelation fee for canceling (client-driven) 36 hrs in advance vs. the posted 48.

    Figured I'd reach out to discuss, did so via website contact form from my account. Took FIVE DAYS for initial response, which was solely requesting additional info.

    Sent follow-up email, copying many Marriott corporate execs, received a response 30-min later telling me they answer all emails on a first-come, first-served basis....

    No. Lifetime Plat, 3yr Titanium. Just this week I received a cancelation fee for canceling (client-driven) 36 hrs in advance vs. the posted 48.

    Figured I'd reach out to discuss, did so via website contact form from my account. Took FIVE DAYS for initial response, which was solely requesting additional info.

    Sent follow-up email, copying many Marriott corporate execs, received a response 30-min later telling me they answer all emails on a first-come, first-served basis. Literally a perfect example to show that loyalty is a one-way street.

    Couple that with the dubious SNA benefits and the ridiculously ongoing "Covid" excuse for lack of services and 3-day housekeeping, and I fail to see why it matters. I can collect points anywhere.

  12. Jeff Wimmer Guest

    I am a lifetime titanium and a couple of years ago I registered for the United silver status. Then this past year I booked a United flight and I was surprised to see that it didn’t show my silver status anymore. When I called I was told that you have to re-register every January just like fliers need to requalify every year, or the status lapses.

  13. BenjaminGuttery Gold

    I've been Titanium the last 4 years. I've been told at multiple properties that "we have alot of Titaniums here this week" or "there are a dozen Ambassadors here currently". AKA: YOUR NOT IMPORTANT TO US. Very much debating on whether to continue with them or go to Hyatt. Marriott needs to do another promotion again soon, because MANY won't requalify this year.

    1. Stuart Guest

      This makes no sense. Sorry. Not sure what you are saying here. On one hand you are saying they don't recognize higher levels and the other encouraging them to have promos to assure that there are more higher levels.

      As to Hyatt, it's leaps and bounds better. Take the word of most everyone who travels regularly that there is no comparison. I'm not saying they are perfect, but Hyatt does deliver a far more...

      This makes no sense. Sorry. Not sure what you are saying here. On one hand you are saying they don't recognize higher levels and the other encouraging them to have promos to assure that there are more higher levels.

      As to Hyatt, it's leaps and bounds better. Take the word of most everyone who travels regularly that there is no comparison. I'm not saying they are perfect, but Hyatt does deliver a far more consistent level of recognition, upgrades, and benefits. And, really, has more interesting properties in many of the major markets.

    2. FNT Delta Diamond Guest

      Maybe you only travel to Chicago, New York City and the like but there are lots of major markets without any Hyatt presence at all. If there's a Hyatt it's likely a Hyatt Place or maybe an older Regency. Hyatt is a great program for those who travel to the right markets or value resorts. Hyatt is putting big money in resorts and forgoing full-service properties in North America.

  14. Laki Balaji Guest

    Agree with multiple comments here. Suite night upgrades are chronically not available, upgrades are non existent and concierge lounge is permanently closed. Recently was told no free welcome water anymore for titanium level. Absolutely not worth it. Loyalty is not reciprocated.

  15. Laki balaji Guest

    Absolutely worthless. Suite upgrades are chronically not available, do not get any upgrades and concierge lounge is permanently closed. Last time was told no welcome water any more. Not worth the loyalty when it is not reciprocated.

  16. CallmeV Guest

    Lifetime Titanium Elite here, caaried over from Lifetime Plat under old Marriott which I’ve had since I was 25. (now 38). The RC upgrades have been very stingy in my experience. I would say out of maybe 20 stays since 2018, only once (RC Osaka, 2019) did I get a suite upgrade due to status. The rest have been mostly no upgrades or occassionally maybe a better view / maybe slightly larger room on low...

    Lifetime Titanium Elite here, caaried over from Lifetime Plat under old Marriott which I’ve had since I was 25. (now 38). The RC upgrades have been very stingy in my experience. I would say out of maybe 20 stays since 2018, only once (RC Osaka, 2019) did I get a suite upgrade due to status. The rest have been mostly no upgrades or occassionally maybe a better view / maybe slightly larger room on low occupancy (mainly COVID-era) nights. I dont think they even try at RC, and I’ve long suspected this isn’t a standard training minutiae for FD staff. Dont hold your breath. Can confirm free breakfast is standard in Asian RC’s.

  17. You Guest

    Not worth it. Happier with Hilton or Ihg

    1. Jill Guest

      IHG doesn’t offer lifetime status unlike HILTON, Hyatt and Marriott Bonvoy

  18. JM Guest

    I have found that ot has not been worth it so far. My "Bonus" suite nights are very hard to come by. There should be a better process than finding out the night before you get to the hotel.
    Marriott Management if you are reading pay attention.

  19. Ron Guest

    Suite upgrades at Ritz'? Not in my experience at least not in the US. Of course I can say the same about most Marriott properties.

    1. Jill Guest

      I personally received ritz Carlton suite upgrades in the USA

  20. AC Guest

    Not worth chasing but am a lifetime Titanium (not available to earn any more but given or former lifetime Marriott and Sheraton members at their top level). I do benefit from it, especially at international locations but no way I would get on the hamster wheel to earn it w 75 nightly stays (even if you can get 15 or 30 w credit cards alone)

  21. Runningdoc Guest

    I have found that as a Titanium Elite Member, I rarely was able to get the upgrade to a suite. However, what I have found to actually work is to prior to checking in is to call the Titanium Elite Member line and request an upgrade. The Marriott Associate places me on hold and then calls the hotel to request that I be given an upgrade. I have had better luck doing it this way.

  22. FishingBill Guest

    Lifetime Titanium Member.

    Nope. Not worth the effort. Domestic US traveler here. Rarely get upgrades. Grab and go breakfasts.
    And when finally going to Europe on vacation, the concierge lounge permanently closed!

  23. Joe Guest

    I am an “Ambassador” and find it pretty meaningless in terms of service . Am unclear what the dedicated concierge team can in fact , do.
    I did get one sweet redemption at the Edition Miami before the change from fixed pricing on redemptions . Try to save the brain space of focusing on any anything Bonvoy offers on more productive arenas.

  24. Morgan Guest

    I was delighted to be titanium, then found it to be no better treated than platinum, or silver at some properties. I accidentally wasted my suite night awards on bad rooms. The lounges are never open.

    To me, I won't be targeting any status with Marriott any longer. I can get platinum on accident and I think 4 pm checkout is the only perk that sticks.

    I would say 1/10 stays I feel like a...

    I was delighted to be titanium, then found it to be no better treated than platinum, or silver at some properties. I accidentally wasted my suite night awards on bad rooms. The lounges are never open.

    To me, I won't be targeting any status with Marriott any longer. I can get platinum on accident and I think 4 pm checkout is the only perk that sticks.

    I would say 1/10 stays I feel like a titanium member and I don't mess around on my choices (Cat 6+ nearly every time) on where I stay.

    I get better recognition using my company discount code more than I do my status, and that's an honest truth.

  25. Brian Guest

    I had titanium for a year and was treated exceptionally well including being upgraded to suites 5x in a row, this was in 2019 if I recall. When I fell back to platinum which everyone seems to have my experience has only been OK but still recognized. FWIW, that’s been my experience. I really think titanium must standout to hotel desk staff and management as it’s actually somewhat difficult to achieve.

  26. Biz Traveler Guest

    I am lifetime titanium and at least for domestic US, not discernably different than Platinum unless SNAs clear before they expire. But I do regularly stay at many "aspirational" properties for paid stays as it's work travel. Sometimes my work colleagues who are platinum or gold get better rooms than me. Luck of the draw at checkin.

  27. Bobby J Guest

    I've given up on hotel status altogether. Perks are nice and all, but the opportunity cost is too great. A good example is my upcoming trip to France with my fiance. Staying in boutique, independent hotels in Paris, Bordeaux, and Lyon. In each of these, not only were the boutiques more highly regarded and reviewed than any Hyatt, Marriott, IHG, Hilton, or Accor property, but the prices for junior suites (or better) was also more...

    I've given up on hotel status altogether. Perks are nice and all, but the opportunity cost is too great. A good example is my upcoming trip to France with my fiance. Staying in boutique, independent hotels in Paris, Bordeaux, and Lyon. In each of these, not only were the boutiques more highly regarded and reviewed than any Hyatt, Marriott, IHG, Hilton, or Accor property, but the prices for junior suites (or better) was also more affordable than entry level rooms in most of the branded hotels. And that's including the cost of breakfast (which I'm not likely to eat anyway). If the ultimate game here is value, then why bother racking up points and stays at less-than-stellar hotels for the one off redemption at a property where there'll be better properties nearby at an attractive price point.

    Do what makes you happy, I suppose. But I'm glad to be off this hamster wheel.

  28. FNT Delta Diamond Guest

    Considering the fact that you only need 30 actual nights to hit titanium if you have the co-branded credit card, titanium status is more than worth it. However, there is really no benefit to going for ambassador status since there are no tangible differences in the benefits.

    That might change if Marriott brings back personally assigned ambassador service agents or adds some sort of defined benefit for ambassadors; like 20 or 25 points per...

    Considering the fact that you only need 30 actual nights to hit titanium if you have the co-branded credit card, titanium status is more than worth it. However, there is really no benefit to going for ambassador status since there are no tangible differences in the benefits.

    That might change if Marriott brings back personally assigned ambassador service agents or adds some sort of defined benefit for ambassadors; like 20 or 25 points per dollar, a defined restaurant breakfast benefit, or club lounge access at resorts and Ritz-Carlton properties.

    Also, titanium is worth it because during or after the coming recession Marriott will inevitably have to improve the benefits for titanium and ambassador. Recessions always favor customers who play the airline and hotel elite status game. Especially those customers at the highest levels of elite status.

    1. Jules Guest

      One needs 45 actual nights to hit Titanium assuming you have both a US-issued co-branded personal card and business card.

    2. FNT Delta Diamond Guest

      My math was off but the point still stands. Marriott regularly runs double-night promos.

    3. BenjaminGuttery Gold

      No, they don't regularly do that.

    4. Karo Member

      Well, if you choose 5 elite nights as your 50-night award, then you need 40 nights.

  29. LEo Diamond

    Your lifetime platinum(P4 in the system) actually has a higher upgrade priority than regular platinum(P6) and titanium(T5). If they offer you suites because you are titanium, chances are, they will still provide you with a suite because you are lifetime platinum, Marriott lounges are overcrowded these days, especially in Asia... The Sheraton at Waigaoqiao, Shanghai often have 70+ platinum and higher staying during weekends, overcrowding the lounge to Spirit standards... Really no point in re-qualifying...

    Your lifetime platinum(P4 in the system) actually has a higher upgrade priority than regular platinum(P6) and titanium(T5). If they offer you suites because you are titanium, chances are, they will still provide you with a suite because you are lifetime platinum, Marriott lounges are overcrowded these days, especially in Asia... The Sheraton at Waigaoqiao, Shanghai often have 70+ platinum and higher staying during weekends, overcrowding the lounge to Spirit standards... Really no point in re-qualifying for Marriott nowadays after they decide to give free platinum status(after 8 nights within 120 days, and you will enjoy gold status along the way) if you are an 88VIP member( a Taobao membership that costs <20 USD to enrol) in China.

    1. FNT Delta Diamond Guest

      Before the pandemic, the JW Marriott Essex House in New York City was getting 75 platinum or higher Bonvoy elites on any given night of the week.

      Pretty much everyone staying at a Marriott these days is at least gold if not platinum thanks to status extensions, bonus night promos, credit card free nights, etc.

      Most front line, guest-facing hotel staff have no understanding of elite statuses, the pecking order or what it takes to...

      Before the pandemic, the JW Marriott Essex House in New York City was getting 75 platinum or higher Bonvoy elites on any given night of the week.

      Pretty much everyone staying at a Marriott these days is at least gold if not platinum thanks to status extensions, bonus night promos, credit card free nights, etc.

      Most front line, guest-facing hotel staff have no understanding of elite statuses, the pecking order or what it takes to legitimately qualify for status.

      Making it worse is simple math. The vast majority of all Marriott hotels across all Marriott hotels are NOT managed by Marriott. That is to say, the franchisee or a third-party company hired by the franchisee manages the hotel.

      The only Marriott properties that seem to care these days are Marriott-managed properties. Unfortunately, those are mostly outside the United States.

      By contrast, Hyatt manages the vast majority of its properties across all Hyatt brands. There's a reason why Hyatt properties almost universally provide better elite status recognition.

    2. LEo Diamond

      Well, as a Chinese staying in Singapore, I am only familiar with the Asia hotel system, generally, people in Asia will stay in the lounge for an extensive amount of time during happy hour just to get free dinner, unlike in Europe or America, in Asia(Especially before the pandemic), they actually serve proper hot food during happy hour, and overcrowding is becoming a problem in many Hilton and Marriott property, as most properties ain't designed...

      Well, as a Chinese staying in Singapore, I am only familiar with the Asia hotel system, generally, people in Asia will stay in the lounge for an extensive amount of time during happy hour just to get free dinner, unlike in Europe or America, in Asia(Especially before the pandemic), they actually serve proper hot food during happy hour, and overcrowding is becoming a problem in many Hilton and Marriott property, as most properties ain't designed to hold 200+ people in lounges, people in Chinese forums often calls the lounges "wet markets" given the number of little children screaming across the lounge.

    3. Eve Guest

      As an European working in Asia for the past two years, I will agree to the fact that lounges in many properties are overcrowded but not necessarily due to elite loyalty members. I tend to regularly ask some basic occupancy data during stays, mostly out of curiosity but also just as a sort of reference for my work. Most of the times it is generally people who buy “rooms with club lounge access” rates or...

      As an European working in Asia for the past two years, I will agree to the fact that lounges in many properties are overcrowded but not necessarily due to elite loyalty members. I tend to regularly ask some basic occupancy data during stays, mostly out of curiosity but also just as a sort of reference for my work. Most of the times it is generally people who buy “rooms with club lounge access” rates or such who tends to occupy the lounges. On my last stay at a Marriott with a lounge, which was Westin Gurgaon last week, the hotel only had a 15% Bonvoy occupancy, most of them being Silver or Gold. Even then the lounge occupying two floors was completely full during happy hours, and they turned away many customers. It turned out there was a marriage in the hotel and most of the guest, who didn’t have a Bonvoy membership had a rate with club lounge access. I only got to enter due to my Ambassador Elite status and chasing away the non-member guest in a table.

      I noticed similar in various other properties around Asia. Off course this doesn’t apply to Dubai, Doha and Singapore which tends to have a large influx of business travellers and loyalty members

    4. LEo Diamond

      Selling lounge included passes is also a problem, I know many hotels that just sold way too many of such passes and overcrowded the lounge, and they always market HH as "free buffet for dinner and breakfast"

    5. FNT Delta Diamond Guest

      Selling lounge access when there aren't many business travelers filling hotels is brilliant, especially if there is a shortage of restaurant staff. Your profit margin is huge and you don't need to pay the cost of bartenders and waiters/waitresses, like a restaurant.

    6. LEo Diamond

      In China for the most part, people expect restaurant service in lounges during afternoon tea and HH.

  30. DCAWABN Guest

    I think we can all agree that Marriott has basically been shitting the bed for the last several years (Decade?), with no end in sight. I'm a Titanium through stays, sans the CC, and a former Ambassador member back when they actually cared about guests before gutting the program in the name of Covid. There is literally nothing about Titanium that's worthwhile aside from the extra bump in points accrued per stay. Even then, I...

    I think we can all agree that Marriott has basically been shitting the bed for the last several years (Decade?), with no end in sight. I'm a Titanium through stays, sans the CC, and a former Ambassador member back when they actually cared about guests before gutting the program in the name of Covid. There is literally nothing about Titanium that's worthwhile aside from the extra bump in points accrued per stay. Even then, I immediately transfer them to AC when there's a bonus. I don't stay in Marriotts outside of work and their "portfolio" is so chaotic and poorly managed across the brands that it's laughable to assume they even have leadership. Feels like a chain run by a bunch of moderately skilled lemurs with ADHD.

    1. FNT Delta Diamond Guest

      The problem is the vast majority of customers have no option besides Marriott. Hyatt simply doesn't have the footprint in the United States. Unless you're traveling only to A-list major cities, you won't find a Hyatt property in most markets. And if you do, it's likely going to be a Hyatt Place. Marriott's only competition is IHG and even then outside the major cities with a Kimpton or tired Intercontinental, you're going to have to...

      The problem is the vast majority of customers have no option besides Marriott. Hyatt simply doesn't have the footprint in the United States. Unless you're traveling only to A-list major cities, you won't find a Hyatt property in most markets. And if you do, it's likely going to be a Hyatt Place. Marriott's only competition is IHG and even then outside the major cities with a Kimpton or tired Intercontinental, you're going to have to stay at a Holiday Inn or Holiday Inn Express.

    2. LEo Diamond

      IHG is also falling with their latest policy changes

  31. A M Guest

    I don’t live in the US so attaining status using credit cards is not really an option for me. I used to be very loyal to Marriott and planned my stays to ensure I reach Platinum or Titanium. So I’d say there is just no difference and it is not worth it, because I do not really see the value of Platinum itself, at least for me. I used to love the SNAs and find...

    I don’t live in the US so attaining status using credit cards is not really an option for me. I used to be very loyal to Marriott and planned my stays to ensure I reach Platinum or Titanium. So I’d say there is just no difference and it is not worth it, because I do not really see the value of Platinum itself, at least for me. I used to love the SNAs and find they provide incredible value. But what was my success rate for SNAs in the last couple of years? 0 times, even when suites are available.

    Last year I got Hilton Diamond through a credit card and I’d say the whole experience is much much better overall.

    That said, I was shocked when I was proactively offered a suite upgrade at the Ritz Carlton New Orleans a couple of months ago. So you know, there are exceptions some times…

  32. Creditcrunch Diamond

    Irrespective of status and hotel brand I have found business travel stays booked through our company TMC (American Express Global Business Travel) always attract a better stay experience from upgrades to complimentary airport transfers, if I personally book a business or leisure stay even with status the hotels just offer what they need to.

  33. Steve Guest

    I'm Lifetime Titanium Elite. Agree it's not worth it. No benefit.

  34. Stvr Guest

    The suite upgrades at ritz for titaniums is so false as to be misleading. Has never ever ever ever happened in my dozens of nights as one.

    1. Reno Joe Guest

      As an Ambassador, I never received a suite upgrade at a St. Regis. In fact, the reverse happened. With one PAID stay, I had booked a suite (which the Ambassador team affirmed) -- no upgrade involved -- and the property wanted to give me a standard room . . . at the suite price. What the (heck)? The Ambassador team deferred to the property. With that, I was done with Marriott.

    2. LEo Diamond

      I asked them for an upgrade once in St.Regis Singapore and they gave it to me, first they lied to me, saying it's "Fully occupied", and I told them I am not blind, you are still selling your suites on the website.

    3. FNT Delta Diamond Guest

      Myself and two colleagues stayed at the Renaissance Aruba in late 2017. This was pre-merger. All three of us had legacy Marriott platinum (equivalent to today's titanium status) or legacy Marriott platinum premier (equivalent to today's ambassador status). Besides us, we had 15 rooms for clients and their employees. The three elites back for our rooms individually. The 15 rooms were on a master account. We had a signed contract that REQUIRED the hotel to...

      Myself and two colleagues stayed at the Renaissance Aruba in late 2017. This was pre-merger. All three of us had legacy Marriott platinum (equivalent to today's titanium status) or legacy Marriott platinum premier (equivalent to today's ambassador status). Besides us, we had 15 rooms for clients and their employees. The three elites back for our rooms individually. The 15 rooms were on a master account. We had a signed contract that REQUIRED the hotel to provide an upgrade to the best-available suite available at the time of booking for the three elites. This mirrored the upgrade policy. The front desk and front office manager lied and claimed no suites were available even though Marriott.com was selling multiple suites. We literally had to call Marriott's corporate sales department, invoke the contract and threaten a lawsuit to get the suites. As a result of them trying to cheat us, we took all of us dinners OFF-PROPERTY and tried not to give them a single penny besides breakfast. They lost over $22,000 in F&B revenue.

      Some properties that play these games are stupid enough to have suites in the inventory bookable at Marriott.com or through the Marriott app. That makes it pretty easy to call them out. The smarter properties don't list their suites and instead only sell suites through the on-property, in-house sales department. That makes it easier for them to cheat elites.

    4. LEo Diamond

      Some hotels really expertise in cost-saving, and doing minimal to follow corporate policies, The Chengdu Renaissance(Formerly, before they had the GM change a few months ago) is often regarded as "First in Cost-Saving" as an acronym to their property owner (First Tower Group) , with that GM, they decided to brand their Studio as Junior Suites and reject subsequent upgrades into proper suites, and with the little number of studio rooms they have, they always...

      Some hotels really expertise in cost-saving, and doing minimal to follow corporate policies, The Chengdu Renaissance(Formerly, before they had the GM change a few months ago) is often regarded as "First in Cost-Saving" as an acronym to their property owner (First Tower Group) , with that GM, they decided to brand their Studio as Junior Suites and reject subsequent upgrades into proper suites, and with the little number of studio rooms they have, they always bring out the policy that member is only entitled to upgrade to Junior suites. As well as more recently, three days ago, the Changsha Intercontinental decided to rebrand their intercontinental club as "Jade on 27" overnight, in order to not give their proper club lounge access to the 40N elites and created a tiny lounge on the lobby to act as the "elite lounge" given to the 40N elites.

      But generally speaking, nationally owned Marriott properties are on the lenient side, the Hongta, LC(should really be rebranded as a courtyard now, long have passed since their glory days but they offer courtyard pricing anyways), not only upgrade elites to junior suites but also offer upgrades to anything excluding the two presidential/chairman suites, along with that, they still operate their lounge(Span across 2 floors with a library within the lounge, massive) and provides them to elites free of charge although not required.

    5. Eve Guest

      not necessarily and it is as usual with these type of things, on a case by case basis depending on the demand for the hotel. I was lucky enough to stay at Ritz Carlton Moscow last year, when it was still part of Marriott (now the hotel is just Carlton since Marriott exited Russia). And it was my first stay at that property and I got upgraded to the suite with a wonderful bouquet of...

      not necessarily and it is as usual with these type of things, on a case by case basis depending on the demand for the hotel. I was lucky enough to stay at Ritz Carlton Moscow last year, when it was still part of Marriott (now the hotel is just Carlton since Marriott exited Russia). And it was my first stay at that property and I got upgraded to the suite with a wonderful bouquet of flower and champagne waiting for me and my partner. The most amazing part was it was a points redemption stay.

  35. Reno Joe Guest

    I had been a multi-year Ambassador and I willingly admit that I was an absolute fool to believe the range of tier benefits earned would be graciously provided. As Dan stated, next post?

  36. Price T Guest

    I’m Titanium and the answer is no. I find no benefit from the status. As such, no longer book stays through Marriott and instead book Southwest hotels so I can earn points toward companion pass.

  37. Jeff Guest

    What subbrand do you find success with the award Certs?

    1. Eve Guest

      look at Asian properties, they tend to have lower points redemption ranges for premium brands, even after the dynamic points shift.

  38. Hal Guest

    Even with titanium I’ve typically had to push for an upgrade at Ritz. So really the only benefits I’ve gotten is the extra 5 suite nights.

  39. Fathiss Guest

    Not worth the effort. But I stumble into it every year like you. I’m sure to keep Hyatt Globalist but lack of footprint with Hyatt drives me to Titanium at Marriott each year.

  40. Mike Guest

    Lifetime Titanium who is moving my stays to Hyatt. Just had a two night confirmed SNA denied by the hotel. The value of Marriott status has really gone down in the last couple of years

    1. Alex77W Guest

      I am another LT who already moved my stays to Hyatt. In all the previous years I was clearing 75 nights to receive 1 free night certificate and my SNA typically go unused. Right now I am at 49 nights with Marriott (1 credit card) and I do not see any benefits of reaching 75 nights. Milestone awards are so much better with Hyatt and even Hilton would award you with 10k points every 10...

      I am another LT who already moved my stays to Hyatt. In all the previous years I was clearing 75 nights to receive 1 free night certificate and my SNA typically go unused. Right now I am at 49 nights with Marriott (1 credit card) and I do not see any benefits of reaching 75 nights. Milestone awards are so much better with Hyatt and even Hilton would award you with 10k points every 10 nights starting with 30 nights and then 30k at 60 nights. So upon clearing 60 nights a Diamond member will be awarded 60k points (nor expiring) vs. 40k free night award from Marriott.

    2. LEo Diamond

      Yo, if you realize how easy Marriott gave its platinum off in China, to the extent that nearly everyone in FlyerT(Chinese Flyertalk) speculates there are potentially more platinum members than golds, the Marriott experience is like Spirit quality on EK F price

  41. Doug Guest

    Agreed. I've bounced between Platinum and Titanium for a couple of years and see zero difference in the perks or treatment at properties. Those that do elite recognition well will treat Platinum members great and those that don't will ignore Titanium status just as easily.

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FNT Delta Diamond Guest

Myself and two colleagues stayed at the Renaissance Aruba in late 2017. This was pre-merger. All three of us had legacy Marriott platinum (equivalent to today's titanium status) or legacy Marriott platinum premier (equivalent to today's ambassador status). Besides us, we had 15 rooms for clients and their employees. The three elites back for our rooms individually. The 15 rooms were on a master account. We had a signed contract that REQUIRED the hotel to provide an upgrade to the best-available suite available at the time of booking for the three elites. This mirrored the upgrade policy. The front desk and front office manager lied and claimed no suites were available even though Marriott.com was selling multiple suites. We literally had to call Marriott's corporate sales department, invoke the contract and threaten a lawsuit to get the suites. As a result of them trying to cheat us, we took all of us dinners OFF-PROPERTY and tried not to give them a single penny besides breakfast. They lost over $22,000 in F&B revenue. Some properties that play these games are stupid enough to have suites in the inventory bookable at Marriott.com or through the Marriott app. That makes it pretty easy to call them out. The smarter properties don't list their suites and instead only sell suites through the on-property, in-house sales department. That makes it easier for them to cheat elites.

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Stvr Guest

The suite upgrades at ritz for titaniums is so false as to be misleading. Has never ever ever ever happened in my dozens of nights as one.

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BenjaminGuttery Gold

I've been Titanium the last 4 years. I've been told at multiple properties that "we have alot of Titaniums here this week" or "there are a dozen Ambassadors here currently". AKA: YOUR NOT IMPORTANT TO US. Very much debating on whether to continue with them or go to Hyatt. Marriott needs to do another promotion again soon, because MANY won't requalify this year.

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