Wow: Qantas Adds Auckland To New York Route

Wow: Qantas Adds Auckland To New York Route

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Qantas has announced it will resume flights to New York in 2023, and it’s not a route that most of us were expecting.

Qantas returns to New York in June 2023

As of June 14, 2023, Qantas will launch a new 3x weekly flight from Sydney to New York via Auckland. The flight will operate on Sundays, Wednesdays, and Fridays, with the following schedule:

QF3 Sydney to Auckland departing 10:05AM arriving 3:15PM
QF3 Auckland to New York departing 5:00PM arriving 5:15PM

QF4 New York to Auckland departing 7:30PM arriving 5:00AM (+2 days)
QF4 Auckland to Sydney departing 6:30AM arriving 8:05AM

Qantas is launching Sydney to Auckland to New York flights

This marathon flight will cover a distance of 10,173 miles in each direction, with the segment between Auckland and New York covering a distance of 8,828 miles. The transpacific journey is blocked at 16hr15min eastbound and 17hr30min westbound, and the overall journey to & from Sydney journey is blocked at 21hr10min eastbound and 22hr35min westbound.

Qantas will have fifth freedom rights between Auckland and New York, meaning you could fly the airline exclusively between New Zealand and the United States. Furthermore, Qantas will offer 11 daily services from Australia to Auckland, for passengers to connect from other points in Australia to New York in one stop.

Qantas will use a Boeing 787-9 for this New York flight, featuring just 236 seats (this is a pretty sparse configuration, as many full service airlines have nearly 300 seats on these planes). As far as the configuration goes, Qantas’ Boeing 787-9s have 42 business class seats, in a 1-2-1 configuration.

Qantas’ Boeing 787-9 business class

Then the 787-9s have 28 premium economy seats, in a 2-3-2 configuration.

Qantas’ Boeing 787-9 premium economy

Lastly in economy there are 166 seats, in a 3-3-3 configuration.

How the New York flight fits into Qantas route network

New York marks a service resumption for Qantas, rather than a new destination for the airline. However, this route is new. Back in the day Qantas operated a flight from Los Angeles to New York, which essentially allowed people to connect from Brisbane, Melbourne, and Sydney, onto this flight.

I always found that to be a rather inefficient service, since the airline couldn’t transport passengers exclusively between Los Angeles & New York, so the flight often wasn’t very full. Furthermore, Qantas joint venture partner American has frequent service between Los Angeles and New York, on some pretty comfortable planes.

This Auckland to New York service will be offered as part of the joint venture between American Airlines and Qantas, meaning that American will likely be marketing this flight quite a bit as well.

We know that Qantas plans to fly nonstop from Australia to New York (and London) as of 2025, as the airline has ordered Airbus A350-1000s that will be capable of operating these flights nonstop. They’ll be by far the world’s longest flights.

When it launches, Qantas’ Auckland to New York flight will be Qantas’ third longest route, at 8,823 miles:

  • Perth to London covers a distance of 9,009 miles
  • Melbourne to Dallas covers a distance of 8,992 miles

Qantas is more or less copying Air New Zealand with this new service, as the airline is launching 3x weekly flights between Auckland and New York as of September 2022, also with Boeing 787s.

Air New Zealand also operates Auckland to New York flights

This new route is possible for Qantas as the airline plans to take delivery of three additional Boeing 787s in the next year. The airline has been dealing with the same issues as other airlines on that front, but Boeing 787 deliveries are finally able to resume.

Qantas is taking delivery of three more Boeing 787s soon

Bottom line

As of June 2023, Qantas will be launching a new 3x weekly flight between Sydney and New York, which will operate via Auckland. The airline will use a Boeing 787-9 for this service, and it’s expected that this flight will stick around until Qantas is able to launch nonstop Sydney to New York flights in 2025.

This seems to me like a smart way for Qantas to return to New York, and it gives some competition to Air New Zealand, which will soon start operating the same route.

What do you make of Qantas’ new route to New York?

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  1. Mark B Guest

    An appalling move by an appalling airline. Qantas is playing spoiler by trying to rain on Air NZ’s parade. I flew Qantas F from LAX to Sydney recently and it was the worst F class flight I’ve had in my life. The airline s known as a national joke. I’m in Auckland now and the J class flight on Air NZ was amazing. Air NZ is everything Qantas thinks it is.

  2. Doug DeNunzio Guest

    Qantas hopefully will come up with a new route that makes sense.

  3. Brianair Guest

    Wow, I can’t believe I’m reading this. It’s insane how the New Zealand government is allowing a foreign flag carrier to just come in and eat their own flag carrier’s lunch. This is just like if Aeromexico launched New York to London flights. I assume this will replace the Los Angeles to New York flight that operated as part of QF11/12 for a while before COVID…

    1. Speedbird Guest

      Even as recently as 2009, Qantas flew from LAX-AKL. Qantas and Air New Zealand have long historys of flying from each other's countries to international destinations

    2. ecco New Member

      If you knew much about Jacinda Ardern’s track record with business and economic issues it wouldn’t surprise you that her government is asleep at the wheel on this move by Qantas.

    3. staradmiral Guest

      what about free market?
      competition is good as it encourages both airlines to do better and lower prices.

    4. Ripty Guest

      Its more like Air Canada flying NYC-LON Flights because Australia and New Zealand have a much friendlier connection than Mexico and the USA... Either way, because of the Closer Economic Relations agreement both countries signed in 1983, they're basically 2 EU countries in an union.

  4. Aniljak Guest

    Qantas has stuffed up again! In its press release in Australia and New Zealand they announced the flight would be via New Zealand's capital city - Auckland!!!
    New Zealand's capital city is Wellington!!!!
    New Zealanders are not happy!!!!
    There are are also reports in Australian media that connecting Qantas flights from Melbourne and Brisbane to Auckland are early morning requiring over 10 hour transit there before late evening departure to New York!!!

    Qantas has stuffed up again! In its press release in Australia and New Zealand they announced the flight would be via New Zealand's capital city - Auckland!!!
    New Zealand's capital city is Wellington!!!!
    New Zealanders are not happy!!!!
    There are are also reports in Australian media that connecting Qantas flights from Melbourne and Brisbane to Auckland are early morning requiring over 10 hour transit there before late evening departure to New York!!!
    Also announced this morning in Australia, Qantas are increasing domestic fares by 10% and international by a whopping 20%!!!
    Alan Joyce warning passengers to expect massive delays and cancellations over next 6 months!!!!

  5. Jordan Gold

    I like the idea of this service, even though I refuse to set foot on Qantas for the foreseeable.

  6. derek Guest

    I would rather stop in LAX. Fewer potential immigration problems or New Zealand fees if there is a missed connection.

  7. Santos Guest

    Those 5am arrivals at AKL are brutal. I used to fly SFO-AKL in Y three times a year and then immediately rent a car to drive to Rotovegas. How I did that, I'll chalk it up to the strength of youth.

  8. MikeDLA Guest

    If you want to fly Oneworld from Aust to JFK this seems much better than the immigration/connection mess at LAX or DFW.

    1. Lieflat19 Member

      only to clear immigration at JFK lol. doesn't sound much better. Maybe the transfer/connection is, but immigration sure won't be any better.

  9. Clem Diamond

    Sitting in economy for 21 hours straight will be grueling, if not downright unhealthy.

  10. BSS Guest

    Qantas once again trying for copy airlines. It will fail miserably. No wonder it has lost $7b during Covid. And lost nearly $2b in the last year when other airlines are making money again.

    Go woke go broke.

    1. Speedbird Guest

      Ah yes, the woke libs and their Marxist agenda of...starting flights from New Zealand?

    2. EBWaa Guest

      You’re an absolute clown like all Trump-humping troglodytes.

  11. Airfarer Diamond

    Update please. Were they not going to use an Airbus 350 on this route? Sunrise plan or something.

    1. BK Guest

      They are purchasing A350 to do SYD/MEL to JFK direct which is not possible in a 787s range. I’m saying that Alan Joyce has already said he thinks these services can compliment each other and the AKL service could be maintained when project sunrise eventually launches

  12. BK Guest

    Wow Air NZ will really want to rush to get their new bus class installed and onto this route to compete with Qantas coming for their home turf

  13. NSS Guest

    Do you have to get off the plane in AKL if you’re going the whole way?

    1. BK Guest

      Yes but because it’s a international to international connection, you just have to clear transit security and then you’re back in the departure terminal - much easier than a connection in LAX/DFW

  14. SSS Guest

    @Ben are you referring to Sydney to Dallas and not “Melbourne to Dallas” as the second longest route?

    1. Ryan Guest

      No he meant what he said. MEL-DFW is longer than Sydney.

  15. Smashy Guest

    I believe the agreement between AU and NZ goes beyond fifth freedom and their carriers can operate flights from either country without restrictions, eg QF could operate AKL to JFK without having to originate in AU.

    1. Kiwi Guest

      And the reverse is also true which is why NZ used to operate a SYD-LAX service. NZ and AU airlines can also operate domestically in each other’s respective countries

  16. CDKing Guest

    Too bad I'm leaving earlier in June. Oh well I'll wait for longer route

  17. skimegheath Gold

    June 16th is a points plane! I’m on a QF FB group. People were very excited so not sure how many seats are left.

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Speedbird Guest

Ah yes, the woke libs and their Marxist agenda of...starting flights from New Zealand?

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Clem Diamond

Sitting in economy for 21 hours straight will be grueling, if not downright unhealthy.

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MikeDLA Guest

If you want to fly Oneworld from Aust to JFK this seems much better than the immigration/connection mess at LAX or DFW.

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