How Many Miles Does It Take?

How Many Miles Does It Take?

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Last week I answered a reader question about collecting miles for a trip between the US and Southeast Asia. As part of that I included a chart giving a general “range” of the miles required by different mileage programs, and there were several requests for charts for other regions as well.

So I thought I’d go through how many miles you need for first class or business class, the flexible points transfer partners, and will try to highlight some of the best redemptions as well.

Probably the most common request for award help I receive is from people wanting to travel to Europe or Asia who have miles spread across multiple programs. Fortunately, many of the airline programs offer one-way awards, so if you can get by without a stopover, booking your trip as two one-ways can open up availability in different alliances, and make awards more approachable given you don’t have to accrue quite as much of a particular currency.

So all of the rates listed are for one-way awards, unless a program doesn’t allow one-ways, or charges the same price for a round trip, and I’ve designated those with an “*” to make it simpler. You can click on the program names below to access the award charts as well.

Europe

There are hundreds of flights a day between North America and Europe, so if you’re flexible with your routing or schedule it’s typically not too tough to find award availability, particularly if you’re booking well in advance.

Business Class to Europe

Airline Program
Miles Required – Business
Transfer Partners
Air Canada Aeroplan
Europe 1: 45,000
Europe 2: 52,500
American Express Membership Rewards
Starwood Preferred Guest
Air France/KLM FlyingBlue
62,500
American Express Membership Rewards
Citi ThankYou Points
Starwood Preferred Guest
Alaska Airlines Mileage Plan
Air France: 62,500
American: 50,000
British Airways: 60,000
Delta: 125,000*
Emirates: 105,000
Starwood Preferred Guest
Alitalia MilleMiglia
Alitalia: 100,000†
SkyTeam Partners: 80,000
American Express Membership Rewards
Starwood Preferred Guest
American Airlines AAdvantage
57,500
Starwood Preferred Guest
Avianca Lifemiles
75,000
British Airways Executive Club
Distance Based
American Express Membership Rewards
Chase Ultimate Rewards
Delta SkyMiles
~62,500
American Express Membership Rewards
Starwood Preferred Guest
Korean Air SkyPass
80,000*
Chase Ultimate Rewards
Miles & More
52,500
Starwood Preferred Guest
Singapore Airlines KrisFlyer
Singapore: 48,875 (includes 15% online booking discount)
Partners: 65,000
American Express Membership Rewards
Chase Ultimate Rewards
Citi ThankYou Points
Starwood Preferred Guest
United MileagePlus
United: 57,500
Partners: 70,000
Chase Ultimate Rewards
Virgin Atlantic Flying Club
Distance Based
American Express Membership Rewards
Chase Ultimate Rewards
Citi ThankYou Points
Starwood Preferred Guest
Redemption Rates to Europe and Transfer Partners
Airline Program
Miles Required - Business
Transfer Partners
Europe 1: 45,000
Europe 2: 52,500
American Express Membership Rewards
Starwood Preferred Guest
62,500
American Express Membership Rewards
Starwood Preferred Guest
Citi ThankYou Points
Air France: 62,500
American: 50,000
British Airways: 60,000
Delta: 125,000*
Emirates: 105,000
Starwood Preferred Guest
Alitalia: 100,000†
SkyTeam Partners: 80,000
American Express Membership Rewards
Starwood Preferred Guest
57,500
Starwood Preferred Guest
75,000
Distance Based
37,500-75,000
American Express Membership Rewards
Chase Ultimate Rewards
Delta SkyMiles
No longer publishes award charts
~62,500
American Express Membership Rewards
Starwood Preferred Guest
80,000*
Chase Ultimate Rewards
52,500
Starwood Preferred Guest
Singapore Only: 48,875
(includes 15% online booking discount)
Partners: 65,000
American Express Membership Rewards
Chase Ultimate Rewards
Citi ThankYou Points
Starwood Preferred Guest
United: 57,500
Partners: 70,000
Chase Ultimate Rewards
Distance Based
40,000-50,000
American Express Membership Rewards
Chase Ultimate Rewards
Citi ThankYou Points
Starwood Preferred Guest

Singapore-Business-Class
Singapore Airlines business class A380

One note on Alitalia. They changed their award chart for their own flights back in 2012, but have been offering a “promotional” chart that matches their SkyTeam chart since then. That has technically expired, but whether you pay the promo rates or the “correct” rates really depends on the agent you get.

First Class to Europe

Airline Program
Miles Required – First
Transfer Partners
Air Canada Aeroplan
Europe 1: 62,500
Europe 2: 72,500
American Express Membership Rewards
Starwood Preferred Guest
Alaska Airlines Mileage Plan
American: 62,500
British Airways: 70,000
Emirates: 180,000
Starwood Preferred Guest
American Airlines AAdvantage
85,000
Starwood Preferred Guest
ANA Mileage Club
Distance Based
American Express Membership Rewards
Starwood Preferred Guest
Avianca Lifemiles
87,000
British Airways Executive Club
Distance Based
American Express Membership Rewards
Chase Ultimate Rewards
Miles & More
85,000
Starwood Preferred Guest
Singapore Airlines KrisFlyer
Singapore Only: 57,375 (includes 15% online booking discount)
American Express Membership Rewards
Chase Ultimate Rewards
Citi ThankYou Points
Starwood Preferred Guest
United MileagePlus
United: 80,000
Partners: 110,000
Chase Ultimate Rewards
Redemption Rates to Europe and Transfer Partners

Lufthansa-First-Class
Lufthansa first class 747-400

Aeroplan has hands-down the best value for business class travel, particularly if you can redeem miles on carriers that don’t levy fuel surcharges. Even with the fuel surcharges Aeroplan is still my favorite way to redeem for Lufthansa First Class nowadays, given they allow either two stopovers or a stopover and open-jaw on a round trip, and you can always get reimbursed for the fuel surcharges.

Singapore KrisFlyer also has fantastic rates for awards on their own metal. You receive a 15% discount by booking online, which lowers the price of those awards dramatically.

Central and South America

For some reason, every airline seems to divide this region up differently, so there’s not really a way to make a clean and easy chart here. This should give you a general idea, but if you’re planning award travel to South America you probably want to look at the specific award chart for the program you’re interested in so you know which zone your destination country is in.

Business Class to Central and South America

Airline Program
Miles Required – Business
Transfer Partners
Air Canada Aeroplan
Central America: 30,000
Northern South America: 37,500
Southern South America: 47,500
American Express Membership Rewards
Starwood Preferred Guest
Air France/KLM FlyingBlue
Central America: 30,000
Northern South America: 43,750
Southern South America: 62,500
American Express Membership Rewards
Citi ThankYou Points
Starwood Preferred Guest
Alaska Airlines Mileage Plan
Aeromexico: 35,000 – 45,000
American: 30,000 – 50,000
Delta: 60,000 – 125,000*
LAN: 45,000
Starwood Preferred Guest
Alitalia MilleMiglia
Central America: 60,000*
Northern South America: 60,000
Southern South America: 75,000
American Express Membership Rewards
Starwood Preferred Guest
American Airlines AAdvantage
Central America & South America 1: 27,500 – 30,000
South America 2: 57,500
Starwood Preferred Guest
Avianca Lifemiles
North of Central America: 36,000
South of Central America: 36,000
North of South America: 40,000
South of South America: 60,000
British Airways Executive Club
Distance Based
American Express Membership Rewards
Chase Ultimate Rewards
Delta SkyMiles
Central America: ~30,000
Northern South America: ~45,000
Southern South America: ~62,500
American Express Membership Rewards
Starwood Preferred Guest
Korean Air SkyPass
Korean Only: 52,500
Latin America 1 SkyTeam Partners: 75,000*
Latin America 2 SkyTeam Partners: 110,000*
Chase Ultimate Rewards
Miles & More
Central America: 30,000
South America: 52,500
Starwood Preferred Guest
Singapore Airlines KrisFlyer
Central America: 30,000
South America: 50,000
American Express Membership Rewards
Chase Ultimate Rewards
Citi ThankYou Points
Starwood Preferred Guest
United MileagePlus
Central America: 30,000
Northern South America: 35,000
Southern South America: 55,000
Chase Ultimate Rewards
Redemption Rates to Central/South America and Transfer Partners

LAN-Business-Class
LAN business class 767-300

First Class to Central and South America

Airline Program
Miles Required – First
Transfer Partners
Air Canada Aeroplan
Central America: 42,500
Northern South America: 52,500
Southern South America: 67,500
American Express Membership Rewards
Starwood Preferred Guest
Alaska Airlines Mileage Plan
American: 80,000 – 125,000
Starwood Preferred Guest
American Airlines AAdvantage
Central America and South America 1: 52,500 – 55,000
South America 2: 85,000
Starwood Preferred Guest
ANA Mileage Club
Distance Based
American Express Membership Rewards
Starwood Preferred Guest
Avianca Lifemiles
North of Central America: 46,000
South of Central America: 46,000
North of South America: 50,000
South of South America: 70,000
British Airways Executive Club
Distance Based
American Express Membership Rewards
Chase Ultimate Rewards
Korean Air SkyPass
Korean Only: 70,000
Chase Ultimate Rewards
Miles & More
Central America: 42,500
South America: 85,000
Starwood Preferred Guest
Singapore Airlines KrisFlyer
Central America: 40,000
South America: 70,000
American Express Membership Rewards
Chase Ultimate Rewards
Citi ThankYou Points
Starwood Preferred Guest
United MileagePlus
Central America: 40,000
Northern South America: 45,000
Southern South America: 70,000
Chase Ultimate Rewards
Redemption Rates to Central/South America and Transfer Partners

American-First-Class
American first class 777-300ER

In general, unless you’re redeeming Korean Air SkyPass miles for travel in Korean First, I’d probably stick to business class here.

I’m typically a huge advocate for first over business given the low mileage premium for the upgraded product, but the vast majority of the aircraft flying to South America don’t offer a first class to begin with. So it’s probably not worth dealing with the reduced availability and frequencies in this case.

The Middle East, Africa, and Indian Subcontinent

This is another region where there is a wide range of geographical definitions, particularly as many mileage programs seem to have rather arbitrary ways of dividing Africa.

In general, when redeeming miles for travel to India or Africa I like to look at routing through Europe or the Middle East whenever possible. You’ll make some additional connections, but will generally get a better product in exchange.

Business Class to the Middle East, Africa, and Indian Subcontinent

Airline Program
Miles Required – Business
Transfer Partners
Air Canada Aeroplan
Middle East & North Africa: 82,500
East, West, and South Africa: 75,000
India: 75,000
American Express Membership Rewards
Starwood Preferred Guest
Air France/KLM FlyingBlue
100,000
American Express Membership Rewards
Citi ThankYou Points
Starwood Preferred Guest
Alaska Airlines Mileage Plan
Air France: 70,000
British Airways: 70,000
Cathay Pacific: 62,500
Delta: 140,000
Delta (South Africa): 160,000*
Emirates (India/Middle East): 82,500
Emirates (Africa): 120,000
Korean (India/Middle East): 140,000*
Starwood Preferred Guest
Alitalia MilleMiglia
India/Middle East: 120,000*
North Africa: 80,000*
Central and Southern Africa: 120,000*
American Express Membership Rewards
Starwood Preferred Guest
American Airlines AAdvantage
Africa: 75,000
India/Middle East: 70,000
Starwood Preferred Guest
Avianca Lifemiles
North Africa/Middle East/India: 78,000
South Africa: 78,000
British Airways Executive Club
Distance Based
American Express Membership Rewards
Chase Ultimate Rewards
Delta SkyMiles
Africa/India/Middle East: ~70,000
South Africa: ~80,000
American Express Membership Rewards
Starwood Preferred Guest
Korean Air SkyPass
Partners: 120,000*
Chase Ultimate Rewards
Miles & More
Middle East/North Africa/Central Africa: 67,500
Southern Africa/India: 92,500
Starwood Preferred Guest
Singapore Airlines KrisFlyer
Africa/Middle East on Singapore: 80,750
West Coast to India on Singapore: 76,500
East Coast to India on Singapore: 87,125
Middle East/North Africa on Singapore: 57,500
Central/South Africa on Partners:
India on Partners: 97,500
American Express Membership Rewards
Chase Ultimate Rewards
Citi ThankYou Points
Starwood Preferred Guest
United MileagePlus
United: 70,000
Partners: 80,000
Chase Ultimate Rewards
Virgin Atlantic Flying Club
Middle East/North Africa: 80,000
India/South Africa: 90,000
American Express Membership Rewards
Chase Ultimate Rewards
Citi ThankYou Points
Starwood Preferred Guest
Redemption Rates to Middle East/Africa/Indian Sub Continent and Transfer Partners

IMG_0946
Etihad business class A330-300

First Class to the Middle East, Africa, and Indian Subcontinent

Airline Program
Miles Required – First
Transfer Partners
Air Canada Aeroplan
Middle East & North Africa: 115,000
East, West, and South Africa: 105,000
India: 105,000
American Express Membership Rewards
Starwood Preferred Guest
Alaska Airlines Mileage Plan
British Airways: 80,000
Cathay Pacific: 70,000
Emirates (India/Middle East): 150,000
Emirates (Africa): 200,000
Starwood Preferred Guest
American Airlines AAdvantage
Africa: 120,000
India/Middle East: 115,000
Starwood Preferred Guest
ANA Mileage Club
Distance Based
American Express Membership Rewards
Starwood Preferred Guest
Avianca Lifemiles
North Africa/Middle East/India: 105,000
South Africa: 111,000
British Airways Executive Club
Distance Based
American Express Membership Rewards
Chase Ultimate Rewards
Korean Air SkyPass
Partners: 120,000*
Chase Ultimate Rewards
Miles & More
Middle East/North Africa/Central Africa: 105,000
Southern Africa/India: 145,000
Starwood Preferred Guest
Singapore Airlines KrisFlyer
Africa/Middle East on Singapore: 110,500
West Coast to India on Singapore: 106,250
East Coast to India on Singapore: 112,625
Middle East/North Africa on Singapore: 75,000
Central/South Africa on Partners: 110,000
India on Partners: 132,500
American Express Membership Rewards
Chase Ultimate Rewards
Citi ThankYou Points
Starwood Preferred Guest
United MileagePlus
Africa on United: 85,000
Middle East/India on United: 90,000
Africa on Partners: 130,000
Middle East/India on Partners: 140,000
Chase Ultimate Rewards
Redemption Rates to Middle East/Africa/Indian Sub Continent and Transfer Partners

Emirates-First-Class
Emirates first class A380

For business class, United offers a great value to these regions. You won’t pay any fuel surcharges, and can have open-jaws and a stopover on a round-trip itinerary. Combined with the sheer numbers of Star Alliance partners, there are possibilities for great redemptions. US Airways is another good option, but watch out for transatlantic flights on British Airways, as the fuel surcharges can add up quickly.

First class is a bit trickier, as there really aren’t many “sweet spots” on the award charts for this region. I do like redeeming American AAdvantage miles here, given they partner with Etihad, Qatar, and Jet Airways. Alaska is also a good choice for awards on Emirates or Cathay Pacific.

Asia

I love traveling to Asia, and have probably redeemed more of my own miles to various places in Asia than to anywhere else. Keep in mind many programs will allow you to route from the US to Asia via Europe as well, which can be a great way to maximize your miles.

Business Class to Asia

Airline Program
Miles Required – Business
Transfer Partners
Air Canada Aeroplan
Asia 1: 75,000
Asia 2: 77,500
American Express Membership Rewards
Starwood Preferred Guest
Air France/KLM FlyingBlue
100,000
American Express Membership Rewards
Citi ThankYou Points
Starwood Preferred Guest
Alaska Airlines Mileage Plan
American (Japan/Korea): 50,000
American (China): 55,000
Cathay Pacific: 50,000
Delta: 140,000*
Emirates: 105,000
Korean (North Asia): 105,000*
Korean (Southeast Asia): 120,000*
Starwood Preferred Guest
Alitalia MilleMiglia
Northern Asia: 90,000*
Southern Asia: 95,000*
American Express Membership Rewards
Starwood Preferred Guest
American Airlines AAdvantage
Asia 1: 60,000
Asia 2: 70,000
Starwood Preferred Guest
Avianca Lifemiles
North Asia: 75,000
South/Central Asia: 78,000
British Airways Executive Club
Distance Based
American Express Membership Rewards
Chase Ultimate Rewards
Delta SkyMiles
~70,000
American Express Membership Rewards
Starwood Preferred Guest
EVA Air Infinity MileageLands
North Asia: 87,500
South/Central Asia: 97,500
Citi ThankYou Points
Korean Air SkyPass
Korean (Korea/China/Japan): 62,500
Korean (Southeast Asia): 75,000
Korean (Southwest Asia): 85,000
Partners (Northeast Asia): 140,000*
Partners (Southeast Asia): 155,000*
Partners (Southwest Asia): 170,000*
Chase Ultimate Rewards
Miles & More
67,500
Starwood Preferred Guest
Singapore Airlines KrisFlyer
West Coast to Southeast Asia on Singapore: 68,000
East Coast to Southeast Asia on Singapore: 72,250
West Coast to South China on Singapore: 63,750
East Coast to South China on Singapore: 78,625
East Coast to North China on Singapore: 87,125
West Coast to Japan/Korea on Singapore: 65,875
East Coast to Japan/Korea on Singapore: 89,250
American Express Membership Rewards
Chase Ultimate Rewards
Citi ThankYou Points
Starwood Preferred Guest
United MileagePlus
United (Japan): 65,000
United (Central/South/North Asia): 70,000
Partners (Japan): 75,000
Partners (Central/South/North Asia): 80,000
Chase Ultimate Rewards
Virgin Atlantic Flying Club
90,000-110,000
American Express Membership Rewards
Chase Ultimate Rewards
Citi ThankYou Points
Starwood Preferred Guest
Redemption Rates to Asia and Transfer Partners

EVA-Air-Business-Class
EVA Air business class 777-300ER

First Class to Asia

Airline Program
Miles Required – First
Transfer Partners
Air Canada Aeroplan
Asia 1: 105,000
Asia 2: 107,500
American Express Membership Rewards
Starwood Preferred Guest
Alaska Airlines Mileage Plan
American (Japan/Korea): 62,500
American (China): 67,500
Cathay Pacific: 70,000
Emirates: 180,000
Starwood Preferred Guest
American Airlines AAdvantage
Asia 1: 80,000
Asia 2: 110,000
Starwood Preferred Guest
ANA Mileage Club
Distance Based
American Express Membership Rewards
Starwood Preferred Guest
Avianca Lifemiles
North Asia: 90,000
South Asia: 99,000
Central Asia: 111,000
British Airways Executive Club
Distance Based
American Express Membership Rewards
Chase Ultimate Rewards
EVA Air Infinity MileageLands
North Asia: 105,000
South East Asia: 112,500
Central/South Asia: 145,000
Citi ThankYou Points
Korean Air SkyPass
Korean (Korea/China/Japan): 80,000
Korean (Southeast Asia): 95,000
Korean (Southwest Asia): 105,000
Partners (Northeast Asia): 180,000*
Partners (Southeast Asia): 200,000*
Partners (Southwest Asia): 230,000*
Chase Ultimate Rewards
Miles & More
105,000
Starwood Preferred Guest
Singapore Airlines KrisFlyer
West Coast to Southeast Asia on Singapore: 91,375
East Coast to Southeast Asia on Singapore: 93,500
West Coast to South China on Singapore: 70,125
East Coast to South China on Singapore: 104,125
East Coast to North China on Singapore: 112,625
West Coast to Japan/Korea on Singapore: 74,375
East Coast to Japan/Korea on Singapore: 116,875
Southeast Asia on Partners: 225,000*
American Express Membership Rewards
Chase Ultimate Rewards
Citi ThankYou Points
Starwood Preferred Guest
United MileagePlus
United (Japan/North Asia/South Asia): 80,000
United (Central Asia): 90,000
Partners (Japan): 110,000
Partners (North Asia): 120,000
Partners (South Asia): 130,000
Partners (Central Asia): 140,000
Chase Ultimate Rewards
Redemption Rates to Asia and Transfer Partners

Korean-Air-First-Class
Korean Air first class A380

There are so many good business class redemption opportunities here it’s hard to pick a favorite. There is a bit of a balance between things like stopovers and fuel surcharges, but for the most part I think most of the business class prices are pretty reasonable, so it’s hard to go wrong here.

For first class, however, there are some standouts. Korean Air and Singapore Airlines offer fantastic value when booking through their respective programs, particularly as the only way to redeem for first class is through their native mileage programs.

Alaska, American, and US Airways have great rates for first class travel on Cathay Pacific, which is one of my favorite products, and there are pros and cons to each program. American, for example, doesn’t allow stopovers, while domestic connections on an Alaska award can be tricky — particularly if you don’t live in a city served by Alaska. And US Airways is US Airways. ;p

Australia, New Zealand, and Oceania

Award travel to the South Pacific is complicated — there isn’t a ton of capacity compared to other regions, and availability is generally poor on the few direct routes between North America and Australia. Given that, my favorite programs are the ones that allow you to route via Asia, as that expands options dramatically and gives you access to better products as well.

Business Class to Australia, New Zealand, and Oceania

Airline Program
Miles Required – Business
Transfer Partners
Air Canada Aeroplan
80,000
American Express Membership Rewards
Starwood Preferred Guest
Air France/KLM FlyingBlue
120,000
American Express Membership Rewards
Citi ThankYou Points
Starwood Preferred Guest
Alaska Airlines Mileage Plan
Air France (Tahiti): 60,000
Cathay Pacific: 60,000
Delta: 160,000*
Fiji Airways: 55,000
Korean Air: 125,000*
Qantas: 55,000
Starwood Preferred Guest
Alitalia MilleMiglia
150,000*
American Express Membership Rewards
Starwood Preferred Guest
American Airlines AAdvantage
80,000
Starwood Preferred Guest
Avianca Lifemiles
80,000
British Airways Executive Club
Distance Based
American Express Membership Rewards
Chase Ultimate Rewards
Delta SkyMiles
~80,000
American Express Membership Rewards
Starwood Preferred Guest
EVA Air Infinity MileageLands
97,500
Citi ThankYou Points
Korean Air SkyPass
Korean: 97,500
Partners: 185,000*
Chase Ultimate Rewards
Miles & More
92,500
Starwood Preferred Guest
Singapore Airlines KrisFlyer
West Coast to West Australia on Singapore: 80,750
East Coast to West Australia on Singapore: 87,125
West Coast to East Australia/New Zealand on Singapore: 85,000
East Coast to East Australia/New Zealand on Singapore: 91,375
Partners: 97,500
American Express Membership Rewards
Chase Ultimate Rewards
Citi ThankYou Points
Starwood Preferred Guest
United MileagePlus
United: 70,000
Partners: 80,000
Chase Ultimate Rewards
Redemption Rates to the South Pacific and Transfer Partners

IMG_2274
Virgin Australia business class 777-300ER

First Class to Asia Australia, New Zealand, and Oceania

Airline Program
Miles Required – First
Transfer Partners
Air Canada Aeroplan
110,000
American Express Membership Rewards
Starwood Preferred Guest
Alaska Airlines Mileage Plan
Cathay Pacific: 80,000
Qantas:70,000
Starwood Preferred Guest
American Airlines AAdvantage
110,000
Starwood Preferred Guest
ANA Mileage Club
Distance Based
American Express Membership Rewards
Starwood Preferred Guest
Avianca Lifemiles
92,500
British Airways Executive Club
Distance Based
American Express Membership Rewards
Chase Ultimate Rewards
EVA Air Infinity MileageLands
145,000
Citi ThankYou Points
Korean Air SkyPass
Korean: 120,000
Partners: 260,000*
Chase Ultimate Rewards
Miles & More
145,000
Starwood Preferred Guest
Singapore Airlines KrisFlyer
West Coast to West Australia on Singapore: 114,750
East Coast to West Australia on Singapore: 112,625
West Coast to East Australia/New Zealand on Singapore: 119,000
East Coast to East Australia/New Zealand on Singapore: 116,875
Partners: 127,500
American Express Membership Rewards
Chase Ultimate Rewards
Citi ThankYou Points
Starwood Preferred Guest
United MileagePlus
United: 80,000
Partners: 130,000
Chase Ultimate Rewards
Redemption Rates to the South Pacific and Transfer Partners

Qantas-First-Class
Qantas first class A380

For business class, Delta, US Airways and United offer some of the best values, in my opinion. Both US Airways and United will allow you to route via Asia, and don’t levy fuel surcharges. Delta will allow routing via Asia as well, but more importantly they partner with Virgin Australia, which actually releases award space on routes to the US.

For first class, Alaska and US Airways have great charts for travel on Cathay Pacific. Singapore and Korean have good rates for travel on their own metal as well, so that’s another good option.

Bottom Line

Obviously award availability is going to be the determining factor in many cases, but hopefully this gives you a general idea of how many miles you’ll need as you’re building up your balances.

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  1. Ivan Y Diamond

    @ Lucky - super useful chart, thank you! Quick idea -- what about an FAQ-type of section to ease amount of type you have to respond to emails/Ask Lucky? I am sure you could hire someone to go through Ask Lucky section (perhaps last year or so), come up with frequent Q&As and then the only thing left for you would be to review it.

  2. Christian Guest

    Ben, I never got a response for my earlier question. If you just either don't know or don't have the time to research it, that's ok, but I'd love to know how to use the Korean 120K round trip in first to India award. even without a solid answer, this is a great piece of work. Thanks again.

    1. lucky OMAAT

      @ Christian -- That's the one-way cost, not the roundtrip (though you have to book a roundtrip if flying partners, so it's 240K roundtrip). You could fly Saudia.

  3. John Guest

    Hi Lucky,

    Just wanted to add a note to say Thank you for compiling this list. I'm sure it took you a gazillion hours to put it together and I appreciate the work. Even though it may be tough for the rest of us to actually book the seats due to availability (as some have noted but expressed in a less complimentary way), nonetheless it serves as a starting point in our journey (of discovery!)....

    Hi Lucky,

    Just wanted to add a note to say Thank you for compiling this list. I'm sure it took you a gazillion hours to put it together and I appreciate the work. Even though it may be tough for the rest of us to actually book the seats due to availability (as some have noted but expressed in a less complimentary way), nonetheless it serves as a starting point in our journey (of discovery!). If nothing else, it lets us dream a little. :)

    Once again, your efforts are deeply appreciated and please keep up the good work!

  4. Amanda Guest

    @ Lucky : THANKS!!! Sure, when you get a chance! Understand that it took a lot of effort and time...we always really appreciate your hard work and posts, they are super helpful and we can bookmark it for reference!! This is why I love your blog and it's a must on my daily reading!

  5. ssk Guest

    Minor note--BA is also an SPG partner in addition to MR and UR

  6. James Guest

    Agreed that as helpful as the list is, the availability is what needs to be kept in mind. Can you make a post on which routes actually have the best availability?

  7. Amanda New Member

    @ Lucky, did you get my previous message? I didn't see any response. Thanks a lot!

    1. lucky OMAAT

      @ Amanda -- I'll see what I can do. Compiling these lists is really time consuming and don't have time for it this weekend, but will try to when I have a chance. Thanks for the feedback!

  8. StacyShine Guest

    Great work! Thanks so much!

  9. TC Guest

    Ben, let's say you have Chase Ultimate Rewards - would you rather convert your points to Singapore or United? I have been collecting miles/points mainly through United for the past few years. My destinations are mostly SE Asia or Europe. I like United miles due to me living in the Midwest close to United hub in Chicago and can fly pretty much anywhere from here. However, you can't really get award seats from better Staralliance...

    Ben, let's say you have Chase Ultimate Rewards - would you rather convert your points to Singapore or United? I have been collecting miles/points mainly through United for the past few years. My destinations are mostly SE Asia or Europe. I like United miles due to me living in the Midwest close to United hub in Chicago and can fly pretty much anywhere from here. However, you can't really get award seats from better Staralliance partners such as Lufthansa, Swiss, Singapore through United anymore. Your chart also shows less miles needed for SG seats. What would you do?

    1. lucky OMAAT

      @ TC -- It all depends what exactly you want to do, but in general I prefer Singapore KrisFlyer miles. You can easily redeem miles for Singapore premium cabins when booking through them, which isn't possible through United.

  10. mbh Guest

    So super awesome! Thanks bunches.
    BTW, does your travel service only help arrange trips when people know where they are going? I have some general ideas for my first aspirational trip, some places I'd like to see, planes I'd like to fly, etc., and I've accrued a fair number of miles and points. I'm looking for someone who can (for a fee, of course) help me come up with some ideas. No time-frame, but aiming for Fall, 2015.

  11. Jeffrey Member

    Thanks so much Ben! I got it bookmarked.

  12. Levy Flight Guest

    So, in many ways Alaskan and AA miles are move valuable (low cost) than I realized (I have been a *A guy). How difficult is it to book a flight to say SE Asia, Oz or Tahiti last minute. Tahiti is definitely a destination that I really want to visit. My travel schedule is mostly booked in the under 3 month window. Cheers, again!

  13. Levy Flight Guest

    Thank you, Ben, this is invaluable. bookmarked. Quick question - I see offeres from LH for reduced miles flight to various places in EU but not yet from SFO. Ever noticed deals from there? Cheers.

    1. lucky OMAAT

      @ Levy Flight -- It's one of their most profitable routes, so don't think I've ever seen it out of SFO.

  14. voice of reason Guest

    Huge respect for spending the time to gather all this useful info in one place.

  15. Ben Guest

    Really helpful post Lucky! Especially for helping beginners.

    You did mention that many programs will allow you to route from the US to Asia through Europe - other than US Airways, which programs let you do that?

    1. lucky OMAAT

      @ Ben -- Off the top of my head, Aeroplan and United, though there are others out there as well.

  16. Neil Guest

    Excellent post - bookmarked.

  17. Christian Guest

    What a great compilation! Thanks. One thing that struck me is the Korean 120k in both business and first to India. This offer seems too good to be true. Any details? I didn't even see India on the award chart, but have to admit to being intrigued.

  18. John Guest

    Thanks for this Ben!! Super helpful!!

  19. Amanda New Member

    Lucky,

    Just a bit of idea here.....can you please add additional column for additional info on stop over, open jaws, and fuel surcharges. So for example, in your chart you already have column for: Airline program, Miles Required, Transfer Partners......and then maybe add additional columns for "Stop Over" (can simply marked each airline by "yes/(qty of stop over allowed)" like "yes/2" , "Open Jaws" (same like the "stop over" section). And also "Fuel Surcharges" (high/low/no...

    Lucky,

    Just a bit of idea here.....can you please add additional column for additional info on stop over, open jaws, and fuel surcharges. So for example, in your chart you already have column for: Airline program, Miles Required, Transfer Partners......and then maybe add additional columns for "Stop Over" (can simply marked each airline by "yes/(qty of stop over allowed)" like "yes/2" , "Open Jaws" (same like the "stop over" section). And also "Fuel Surcharges" (high/low/no charges, etc.). This will be helpful for many to maximize and stretch the miles and points for travel and whenever someone ask you about this you can give the link to refer on it , and we can also bookmark this for our future reference.

  20. Taylor Guest

    Nice detailed information.

    But in the real world, utterly useless. And - frankly - dishonest.

    Redemption levels mean NOTHING. What matters is availability. Sure, in THEORY you can go from X to Y on airline Z for N miles. Whoopdie-fracking-doo. Go try and get seats for you and your family on that route, and you will usually find that the detailed info presented above is completely meaningless.

    Of course, you can't tell the rubes that...

    Nice detailed information.

    But in the real world, utterly useless. And - frankly - dishonest.

    Redemption levels mean NOTHING. What matters is availability. Sure, in THEORY you can go from X to Y on airline Z for N miles. Whoopdie-fracking-doo. Go try and get seats for you and your family on that route, and you will usually find that the detailed info presented above is completely meaningless.

    Of course, you can't tell the rubes that - it would eat into your credit card referral fees.

    1. lucky OMAAT

      @ Taylor -- Yup, taking hours on end to compile a dozen charts of redemption rates is both useless and dishonest. You got me!

  21. Bill Guest

    Excellent, thanks! Can you put this in a spreadsheet?

  22. Amanda New Member

    @ LUCKY:

    Very very great post and info! We can always refer to this and it's also very useful for people who always have questions pertaining to this in the Ask Lucky section.
    Would you please compile a ultimate guide for tips/tricks on searching and booking award availability for each of the above? Since I notice that a lot of people ask about this too in Ask Lucky section, so it would be useful...

    @ LUCKY:

    Very very great post and info! We can always refer to this and it's also very useful for people who always have questions pertaining to this in the Ask Lucky section.
    Would you please compile a ultimate guide for tips/tricks on searching and booking award availability for each of the above? Since I notice that a lot of people ask about this too in Ask Lucky section, so it would be useful and helpful for them and for you too, when there are new people asking about this question you can always give the link to this ultimate guide on how to search and book the award availability so they can read, learn and be informed about it (including me too!) :)

  23. goheerow Guest

    Nice list. Can't wait for economy list like others mentioned.

  24. Joe New Member

    Hi Ben,

    Your blog is absolutely fantastic. Keep up the good work!

    If I want to fly SQ from JFK-FRA-SIN-BKK in 1st how do I book it on the Singapore Airlines website.?Since the segment from SIN-BKK is in business when I run the search it says the itinerary is only available in business. How did I get around this so the rest of the itinerary is is 1st and only the last segment is in business?

    Thanks!

    1. lucky OMAAT

      @ Joe -- You would unfortunately have to book by phone, though still may be able to convince them to give you the 15% discount:
      https://onemileatatime.com/singapore-airlines-krisflyer-15-online-booking-discount-phone/

  25. Apu Member

    Ben, is LH first cheaper to India than business using LH miles? 82500--92500?

    1. lucky OMAAT

      @ Apu -- Nope, it's 92,500 miles in business or 145,000 miles in first.

  26. Jose New Member

    This is incredibly useful! Thank you Lucky!

  27. Terence Gold

    A really great post with lots of nice charts. Thanks Lucky!

  28. Kalboz Member

    Wow! What a comprehensive list ... thanks for the great effort put forth here!

  29. Neel New Member

    One more request for Economy chart as well please... Love you Lucky and the team !

  30. Lynn Guest

    It would be great to do this same comparison for economy travel as well. As much as I would love to fly business or first class, the allure of getting 2 trips for the same amount of miles is too great to turn down :)

  31. Nemme Member

    This is really helpful but I can't imagine your patience at answering the 'how many mile from x to x'. It's called google. Look it up people.

    @R B
    https://www.google.com/search?q=aa+award+asia+to+europe&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en

  32. Jason Guest

    Thank you for compiling this altogether in on place! If possible could you also add an economy section for us mileage newbie family guys trying to shuttle four people around?

    1. lucky OMAAT

      @ Jason -- I'll see what I can do. :)

  33. Juno Guest

    Fantastic reporting! These charts help me out great in planning where to go and deciding which miles to earn! Thanks!

  34. jim New Member

    Fantastic info - printing it out now. Thanks!

  35. anon Guest

    Now if you could post one on availability ... because if a flight costs 1000 miles, its no good if there's no space!

  36. TEX277 Guest

    Great post and extremely useful for those living in/travelling to the US. I just wish we had a UK travel blog that's more than a 1/10th as useful as yours Lucky!

  37. DaninMCI Guest

    Good stuff. Nice post.

    Can you add or do you have same list for USA->Hawaii, that would be interesting to compate. Also the Oceania routes show Alaska miles in Business on a bunch of carriers but not so much in First. Is that because of the aircraft, limits on awards or routes?

    1. lucky OMAAT

      @ DaninMCI -- That's because Alaska has a lot of partners which either don't have a first class cabin, or on which you can't redeem Alaska miles for first class.

  38. Brian New Member

    Great summary. Really appreciate this. Any chance you plan on keeping it updated as changes come and go? If so I can see myself referring to it quite often

    1. lucky OMAAT

      @ Brian -- I sure will!

  39. R B Guest

    How many AA miles for BA or CX from Europe to HKG? Eco or Prem Eco?

    1. lucky OMAAT

      @ R B -- Here's American's chart:
      http://www.aa.com/i18n/disclaimers/aadvantageAllPartnerChart.jsp

      You can't redeem American miles for premium economy, but economy is 35K one-way.

  40. anon Guest

    Isn't it 60k for BA first to europe?

    1. lucky OMAAT

      @ anon -- Whoops, should be 60K-75K depending on where you're originating. Fixed.

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@ Lucky - super useful chart, thank you! Quick idea -- what about an FAQ-type of section to ease amount of type you have to respond to emails/Ask Lucky? I am sure you could hire someone to go through Ask Lucky section (perhaps last year or so), come up with frequent Q&As and then the only thing left for you would be to review it.

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lucky OMAAT

@ Christian -- That's the one-way cost, not the roundtrip (though you have to book a roundtrip if flying partners, so it's 240K roundtrip). You could fly Saudia.

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Christian Guest

Ben, I never got a response for my earlier question. If you just either don't know or don't have the time to research it, that's ok, but I'd love to know how to use the Korean 120K round trip in first to India award. even without a solid answer, this is a great piece of work. Thanks again.

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