Delta Flight Attendant Dishes Alternative Facts About The Gulf Carriers

For over two years now, the “big three” US carriers have been trying to stop the “big three” Gulf carriers. The basis of their argument is that Emirates, Etihad, and Qatar, have been violating the Open Skies agreement because they’re government subsidized, and therefore the playing field isn’t level. I won’t rehash all my feelings in this post, but rather will link to my post from a bit over a month ago about why I have zero sympathy for US carriers in this debate.

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The Gulf carriers are in a lot of trouble at the moment when it comes to their US flights, between the US travel and electronics bans that are in place. This is causing them to cut routes, and on top of that these airlines are under increased financial pressure from their respective governments.

But that’s not stopping the US carriers from continuing to run their mindless smear campaign. Here’s the thing — the US airlines could make rational arguments for why the Gulf carriers should be stopped. But that’s not what the US airlines have been doing — instead they’ve been trying to appeal to peoples’ emotions, patriotism, etc. Maybe that’s just the way the world works, but I refuse to support an argument that’s based entirely on emotion rather than logic.

Delta recently published their latest smear “ad” against the Gulf carriers, in which they use a Delta flight attendant to make the case for why the Gulf carriers are so evil. And it’s simply riddled with lies, rhetoric, and exaggeration. Here’s the video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwJ6I4qpTAI

Delta claims that they’re sharing “just the facts,” so let me provide the other side of those “facts,” directly responding to a few of the things that this Delta flight attendant is saying (I could write paragraphs about each point, but rather will keep it brief and respond specifically to just a few of the claims):

  • “We could all be out of jobs in a few years if things don’t change.” Aside from how ridiculous that statement is, let’s keep in mind that foreign ownership of US airlines still isn’t allowed, so there’s no way in hell you’d “all be out of jobs,” unless you’re suggesting that there will no longer be a need for any airlines operating domestic flights within the US. Let’s not even address the fact that more people are flying US airlines than ever before, and that US airlines are experiencing record profitability.
  • “They don’t have to make a profit, they can set prices as low as they want, because they’ll always have money.” Sure, these carriers are subsidized, but there’s no denying that they’re under increased financial pressure from their respective governments. If they’ll always have money and don’t have to turn profits, why is Emirates greatly reducing service to the US? Why are Gulf carriers adding fees and cost cutting like crazy? Why are they deferring aircraft deliveries? They are under a lot of financial pressure, and at least nowadays aren’t being run as vanity projects anymore.
  • “For every route we lose, 1,500 Americans lose their jobs.” Just curious, does that factor in the thousands of jobs being created at Boeing from the hundreds of aircraft that the Gulf carriers are ordering from the US, which cost tens of billions of dollars? Or do those jobs/families not matter? Let’s not even talk about the staff that the Gulf carriers have based in the US, the indirect economic impact of the hundreds of thousands of people that the Gulf carriers are bringing to the US, etc.
  • “What about military travel? That’s another big issue. If we keep losing international routes, we won’t be able to get our military where it needs to go. Yes, often military personnel depend on commercial flights, us, to get where they need to be, to protect and serve overseas.” Ummmm…. what?! Some of the above arguments are a stretch, but this is just next level.
  • “The US has trade agreements with these airlines’ home countries, called Open Skies agreements, which explicitly restrict these sort of things.” Sorry, but if that were the case this would have been enforced. There’s nothing “explicit” here, but rather it’s quite nuanced. That’s why the Obama administration decided not to take action on this.

Bottom line

In a few years time, US airlines are likely to cease to exist unless things change, and we won’t be able to get our military where they need to go to defend us.

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RD Truitt New Member

He never read The Economist article, so he's still operating out of ignorance of the true economic facts. Here it is again: http://www.economist.com/blogs/gulliver/2015/03/airline-subsidies-gulf. You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink.

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Emirates4Ever Guest

@ RD Truitt Welcome to life! In a free market economy there will always be business failures. There will always be longstanding industries that failed to adapt to the changing world and died out. There will always be people who get a shoddy hand in their career. I know, I was one of them, laid off in 2008 when I was nearing 40, and damn near became homeless. Attempted a career change in a new field I had little experience in, managed to get an entry level job, but there was a catch, I had to find a way to pay for a flight to Atlanta, pay for hotels, and even a rental car in order to start this job. It took my best friend giving me his credit card info and repaying him later otherwise I wouldn't be at this website replying to your message now. Did I whine how unfair it was? Did I sniffle how cavalier of "them"? Nope! I fought to get the skills and experience, and less than 2 years later I was taking business class vacations around the world. I been near the bottom looking destitution in the face because of economics so don't tell me about starting from the bottom. You wanna know a little secret that helps ME3 to so well? They hire the former US3 employees that were tossed so cavalierly in the streets so their execs could collect their multimillion dollar bonuses. At least a third of the senior management in those airlines are Americans. For a while Emirates even had a recruiting program to entice laid off airline staff to apply lol. These airlines are the first to toss out people when Wall Street gets nervous, their work and loyalty mean nothing, so this line of crap about protecting jobs is just that, crap! And why not rally against the hundreds of other subsidized airlines? Hmmmm... The US airline sector needs new blood and badly, it's the only way they can compete.

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Emirates4Ever Guest

Another point, I completely forgot about, but what happened in Somalia. When their central government collapsed and they became a failed state with no central government, Somali Airlines, the state owned airlines ceased operations. But, the need and demand for air travel did not go away, even in a place like Somalia, so what then happened was private individuals filled the void, creating as many as SIX private airlines in a country that was undergoing civil war, famine, and had no central government. To be sure all these airlines were small, had aged and small planes, the inflight service undoubtedly sucked, and only couple flew to neighboring countries - Kenya mostly, but they did operate (though I believe some did fail). My point being, that this Delta's video claim along with others here, that if the legacy airlines are allowed to fail and cease operations, America's airline sector will collapse, is pure bunk. If enterprising people in a horrible place like Somalia can get airline service going, most surely in the US new entrants can and will as well. Indeed, just as those enterprising individuals had to find new models to sustain their businesses because the Somali Airlines model wouldn't, new airline startups, with the barriers of the legacy airlines gone, would also be able to have new business models, models that could compete very effectively against foreign carriers to include the ME3. Further those who lost their jobs if the legacies fail could be employed again by the startups. I'm not saying there won't be 'turbulence', but perhaps it's time to let the legacies fail if they remain dinosaurs.

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PM1 Platinum

I fly the US-India route 6 times a year. The only US carrier that serves India is United via EWR. No, flying a BA or KLM or AF codeshare is not the same as flying AA or Delta (elite recognition). More importantly, the ME3 are just better at taking care of their customers. No sympathy for US carriers even though emotionally I want to support my hometown airline.

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Take-A-Break Guest

As said above if the US3 want my loyalty then quit trying to squeeze me to buy a upgrade I cannot afford, offer better service and take responsibility for your actions. As far as Delta goes, Delta needs to read FAR Clause 47.4 https://www.acquisition.gov/far/current/html/Subpart%2047_4.html As mentioned early on by Eric, Military does not routinely fly by military transport and when it is a major operation like Iraq the US3 get paid very nicely and the USG makes sure they have places to land and refuel and or switch if necessary. Now most Military and DoD personnel will not fly many of the foreign carriers on personal or official travel if given the choice, if I need to explain then there is no since to even try to explain it. Fly America Act https://www.gsa.gov/portal/content/103191 https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/48/47.403-1 Yeah remember the 2003 airline bailouts http://www.cbsnews.com/news/9-11-airline-bailout-so-who-got-what/

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