Booking ANA First & Business Class With Virgin Atlantic Points

Booking ANA First & Business Class With Virgin Atlantic Points

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In this post I wanted to take an in-depth look at what I consider to be a solid sweet spot award redemption, which involves redeeming Virgin Atlantic Flying Club points on All Nippon Airways (ANA). This continues to be a good deal, though we’ve now seen this redemption devalued twice in the past couple of years.

Let us take a look at how to earn Virgin Atlantic Flying Club points, how Virgin Atlantic redemptions on ANA work, and whether this redemption is even useful anymore, given ANA’s stinginess with award availability.

How to earn Virgin Atlantic Flying Club points

If you don’t currently have Virgin Atlantic Flying Club points, don’t worry, as there are lots of ways to earn them with transferrable points currencies, as all transfer at a 1:1 ratio:

If you really want to maximize value, we sometimes see transfer bonuses from these programs to Virgin Atlantic Flying Club, which can stretch your points even further. When we do see transfer bonuses, in most cases they’re in the range of 25-30%.

On top of that, the Virgin Atlantic Flying Club program sells points directly, and there are often even bonuses.

Redeeming Virgin Atlantic points on ANA is an awesome value

Redeeming Virgin Atlantic points on All Nippon Airways

While Flying Club is far from my favorite loyalty program, it has some incredible niche redemptions that you won’t find through other programs, that can make accruing Flying Club points with a specific use in mind an excellent idea.

My single favorite use of Flying Club points is redeeming on All Nippon Airways.

Virgin Atlantic redemption rates on ANA

Virgin Atlantic Flying Club has a zone based award chart for travel on ANA, and you can find the redemption rates below (these prices are roundtrip, though you can book one-ways for half the cost of a roundtrip).

Virgin Atlantic Flying Club award chart for ANA

As you can see, all awards are to & from Japan, so if you plan on connecting beyond Japan, you’ll need to book your ticket as two separate awards. The good news is that since you can book one-ways for half the cost of a roundtrip, you can easily mix-and-match options. For example:

  • You could fly one-way in first class and one-way in business class
  • You could fly from the US to Japan, and then fly from Japan to Europe

I want to specifically call out that:

  • One-way business class awards between the US mainland or Europe and Japan cost 52,500-60,000 points, while business class awards between Hawaii and Japan cost 37,500 points
  • First class awards between the US mainland or Europe and Japan cost 72,500-85,000 points one-way, while first class awards between Hawaii and Japan cost 57,500 points

I think all of those redemption opportunities potentially represent a great deal, especially with what a good product ANA offers.

Searching ANA awards using Virgin Atlantic points

While you can’t search or book ANA awards using Virgin Atlantic points through Virgin Atlantic’s website, the program should generally have access to the same award availability as all of ANA’s other partner airlines.

The one catch is that there have been reports lately that award availability between the US mainland and Japan isn’t bookable through Flying Club within 14 days of departure. This is just supposed to be temporary, so hopefully it’s fixed soon.

The bad news is that finding premium cabin award availability on ANA can be really tough. The airline often only releases one first class award seat per flight, and even that isn’t consistent, as many flights don’t have any first class award availability.

So, how should you go about searching availability? The website seats.aero is great for this, as it has an ANA first class award finder, which will show you all the dates with first class award availability. Just keep in mind this isn’t necessarily 100% real time, so you’ll also want to search availability through another website. I’d recommend aircanada.com or united.com, as both show all Star Alliance award availability online.

Seeing the award pricing through United MileagePlus will make you even happier about Virgin Atlantic Flying Club’s pricing. 😉

Award availability on All Nippon Airways

Booking ANA awards using Virgin Atlantic points

While it’s annoying that you have to call to book these awards, the good news is that Virgin Atlantic’s Flying Club agents are the most competent in the industry. They’re actually awesome. You can phone up Flying Club from the US by calling 800.365.9500.

After you’ve determined which flights are available, call up Virgin Atlantic and give the representative the exact flights and class of service you want. The agent will look up the space, which may take a few minutes.

Often they’ll get back to you after a few minutes and say that the space confirmed. However, often they won’t get an immediate response from ANA (though the space should match what other partners see).

In those instances you’ll be given a confirmation number and will be told to call back in a few hours to see if the space confirmed. If you did your research correctly, you should be good.

Then just call back a short while later and book.

ANA’s new 777 business class

Virgin Atlantic fuel surcharges on ANA

Virgin Atlantic passes on whatever carrier imposed surcharges ANA would have on revenue tickets. ANA publishes its fuel surcharges, and updates them periodically, as they’re based on Singapore’s jet fuel price index.

Current ANA fuel surcharges

The easiest way to look these up the total cash you’ll have to pay is through ITA Matrix — just look up the itinerary there for the cabin you’re traveling in, look at the fare breakdown, and expect to pay everything except the base fare.

At the moment ANA’s fuel surcharges are quite high, though not as high as they were several months ago. For a one-way ticket from Tokyo to New York in business class, you can expect to pay around $315 at the moment, with $247.60 of that being fuel surcharges.

Taxes & fees on an ANA award
ANA’s new 777 business class

Virgin Atlantic award holds on ANA

Virgin Atlantic Flying Club can hold ANA awards for up to 48 hours. More accurately, they request the space, and once they do that, it’s 48 hours before the flights drop out of the record. So you do have up to 48 hours, which should be plenty of time to transfer points.

Generally points transfers from Amex, Capital One, Chase, and Citi, to Virgin Atlantic, are all instant.

ANA’s new 777 first class

Virgin Atlantic Flying Club award change & cancelation fees

If you want to change or cancel an ANA award ticket booked with Virgin Atlantic Flying Club points there’s a $50 fee to do so, and you’ll need to make the change at least 24 hours before departure.

Is this really that good of a deal?

Assuming you can find award availability, redeeming Virgin Atlantic points on All Nippon Airways really is a very good deal. Being able to fly from the mainland United States to Japan while redeeming just 52,500-60,000 points for a one-way business class ticket, or 72,500-85,000 points for a one-way first class ticket, is very good. It only gets better when there’s a transfer bonus Amex or Citi.

As a point of comparison, here’s how much other programs charge one-way for the same award:

  • Air Canada Aeroplan: 75,000 points in business class, 105,000 points in first class
  • Avianca LifeMiles: 85,000-90,000 miles in business class, 110,000-120,000 miles in first class
  • United MileagePlus: 110,000 miles in business class, 220,000 miles in first class

Admittedly the math changes a bit if you’re connecting beyond Japan, and you should also factor in the fuel surcharges, which these other programs don’t pass on.

ANA’s new 777 first class

Is ANA first class really that good?

All Nippon Airways has new first class and business class products, which are available on select long haul routes. I reviewed both of these products, and found them to be spectacular:

ANA’s new hard products are truly industry leading, and when you combine it with the exceptional soft product — great service, food, and drinks — ANA is phenomenal.

ANA’s new first class
ANA’s new first class

Even if you end up in ANA’s old first class, you’ll still have a great experience. While the hard product isn’t quite as good, you’ll get the same great food, drinks, and service.

ANA First Class
ANA’s old first class
ANA’s old first class

Bottom line

Virgin Atlantic Flying Club has some solid niche redemptions, and while they’ve been devalued a bit over the years, they still represent a good value. Personally I love being able to redeem Flying Club points for travel in ANA first & business class. While the award redemption rates are attractive, the catch is that award availability can also be tough to come by, so it takes some effort to find availability.

Flying Club is transfer partners with all major transferable points currencies, so if you’re planning a trip to Japan, this is a redemption option that’s worth keeping in mind. ANA’s first and business class products are excellent, which is the icing on the cake.

Is anyone looking forward to redeeming Virgin Atlantic points for travel on ANA?

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  1. mt_xing Member

    Virgin Atlantic absolutely does not hold ANA award space

  2. MRDude Guest

    Thanks @Ben I am fairly new to Seats.Aero and was under the impression that because I was not seeing ANA Award Availability through VS/Virgin Atlantic Flying Club specifically that it was - a lost cause Your paragraph here clarifies "Searching ANA awards using Virgin Atlantic points -
    While you can’t search or book ANA awards using Virgin Atlantic points through Virgin Atlantic’s website, *the program should generally have access to the same award availability...

    Thanks @Ben I am fairly new to Seats.Aero and was under the impression that because I was not seeing ANA Award Availability through VS/Virgin Atlantic Flying Club specifically that it was - a lost cause Your paragraph here clarifies "Searching ANA awards using Virgin Atlantic points -
    While you can’t search or book ANA awards using Virgin Atlantic points through Virgin Atlantic’s website, *the program should generally have access to the same award availability as all of ANA’s other partner airlines.*"
    They most often show availability from United and Virgin Velocity now, also on the F award finder you mentioned.

    Any tips on finding J/Biz Availability? I think ANA Has a great product all the way around but its hard to find F and even J availability - AA / JAL Definitely has them beat in terms of value just for the simple fact of award availability.

  3. CoffeeguyCC Guest

    I have a family of 3. How many business class or 1st class seats per flight can you book through Virgin points?

    1. Joe Jones Guest

      Usually ANA doesn't offer more than 1 F and 2 J per flight.

  4. Jinxed_K Guest

    I need to keep this in mind once I run out of Amex points to transfer my Chase points to VS and book ANA.
    I've looked on United and they cost almost double the points, although they don't have any surcharges so does it come out to be a tradeoff between paying in miles or paying in cash for the difference?

  5. Ben Holz Guest

    Ben, how is award availability on the NRT-HNL route? If I'm not mistaken, you have flown on every other airlines' A380 except NH's... presumably J is similar to that on the 789 and F to the new 777 product, but if the product is accessible, it would still make for a fun/interesting review :)

    1. Ben Holz Guest

      I was just looking out of curiosity at fares, and surprisingly enough you can do NRT-HNL F rt for around 3500€ and 1900€ in J (something like USD 3900 and 2200 respectively I think). It seems to apply from late Sept to end of schedule on most days. Oddly enough when trying to price a mixed cabin itinerary at the NH website, I'm only able to select the respective full flex fares, which almost triples the price of the F round-trip... is there a workaround to this?

    2. Joe Jones Guest

      You can use seats.aero to quickly check availability. NRT-HNL seems to be available in F more often than other transpacific routes, though it's still fairly slim pickings.

  6. Rob Guest

    A lot of this depends on the agent. I’ve had some really friendly that search and place me on hold while the points transfer. And then I’ve had some that are clearly over their jobs and doing partner searches tell me to look on United instead

  7. yoloswag420 Guest

    You can't do holds on ANA awards anymore based on my experience w/ VS agents.

  8. Ryan Guest

    As of last week they couldn’t book any awards close in I assume under 14 days. They said it’s been like that for a few months. I called several times with different agents and no luck at all. I have booked using ana awards with virgin maybe 10 times in the past and understand what to do well and some agents have issues but it seems truly broken atm.

    1. imadogg Guest

      I know econ works and I've seen DPs saying F works, but J is totally broken and has been for 3 full months now, with no sign of change and no official word from ANA/VS

    2. Brodie Guest

      Correct. J is the issue and has been since May. It's pretty well known in the blog community and yet I never see it mentioned.

    3. Marcus Guest

      Whaaa...?? Oh, god. What could be the issue? No indication if it's something that can be fixed or a permanent policy change? Darn it.

  9. Slanky Guest

    Is it true you can't book ANA space with Virgin at T-14 anymore if it should open up?

  10. James Guest

    Booked a HND-JFK F seat with VS in February. Was told they don't do award holds anymore, but I was able the confirm the seat, transfer the points from AMEX (instant), then booked the flight. All while on hold.

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yoloswag420 Guest

You can't do holds on ANA awards anymore based on my experience w/ VS agents.

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Ryan Guest

As of last week they couldn’t book any awards close in I assume under 14 days. They said it’s been like that for a few months. I called several times with different agents and no luck at all. I have booked using ana awards with virgin maybe 10 times in the past and understand what to do well and some agents have issues but it seems truly broken atm.

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James Guest

Booked a HND-JFK F seat with VS in February. Was told they don't do award holds anymore, but I was able the confirm the seat, transfer the points from AMEX (instant), then booked the flight. All while on hold.

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