Lufthansa Now Requiring Coronavirus Test To Fly Without Mask

This would be discrimination against those with health conditions. This shoulde be easily challenged at the ECHR.

@Roger So your entire argument revolves around somehow knowing an individual is uninfected all the time. Sure, if you have a test that is accurate, fast and readily available to everyone at all times, then there might be some merit to your point, except there: 1. is no test that is 100% accurate 2. usually the faster the test, the lower the accuracy and 3. tests which are both fast and accurate will likely be limited in supply, or high in price, both lowering availability Finally, the most important point: 4. There is no testing capability for entire countries. At best you can test a small slice of the entire population once or twice, someone who isn't infected today could well be infected tomorrow. So your assumption that testing alone will catch all infected individuals is a fantasy. And how am I suggesting seatbelts are ineffective under all conditions? Am I suggesting masks are ineffective under all conditions? Seatbelts are not effective under a very small set of conditions, but it's no reason to refute the use of seatbelts. The same applies to vaccines (which you of course dodge, and start talking about second hand smoke which I never even used as an example).

@David 1. Of course anything is refutable in theory. You could refute that 2+2=4, or that the Earth revolves around the Sun, but you’ll be hard pressed to provide evidence to support. More specifically on my point, I’m seeking more clarity on the <em> same ol’ garbage reasons that have been refuted 100 times.</em> A valid reason for not wearing a mask is that a person is uninfected and therefore incapable of spreading a virus. Can you refute this claim? 2. 3. I am familiar with the difference between asymptomatic and pre-symptomatic, both of which refer to individuals carrying a virus. I’m talking about individuals that are not carrying the virus. There are many tests available for ascertaining and confirming this condition. Why not use one of them instead of guessing, hence my appreciation of Lufthansa’s approach. 4. I have read dozens of articles on this topic and I have yet to discover one that fails to pre-suppose that the transmitting entity is carrying an infectious disease. The reason is quite simple: it is impossible for an uninfected person to spread a virus they do not possess. It is therefore illogical for an uninfected person to be asked to wear a mask. Based on this, it is not unreasonable for an uninfected person to be opposed to wearing a mask, a token action and inconvenience that — in their scenario — can do nothing to slow the spread. 5. I never understand your seatbelt example. Are you suggesting that some people are constructed in such a fashion that a seatbelt is ineffective under all conditions? Your comparison is otherwise apples to oranges. A mask might help prevent the spread if the person wearing it is infected with SARS-CoV-2, just like a seatbelt might help if a person is involved in a serious car accident. Of course. What I’m stating is that a mask cannot help prevent the spread if the person wearing it is <em>not infected with SARS-CoV-2.</em> There is no analogy to this with wearing a seatbelt or to the dangers of second-hand smoke or to any other silly comparison that pro-maskers keep peddling. It is a fact that seatbelts are potentially beneficial to all that wear them. It is a fact that second-hand smoke is potentially harmful to all that inhale it. It is NOT a fact that cloth masks are potentially beneficial when worn by anyone. They must be worn by infected individuals for a non negligible benefit to exist.

@Ben ( Lucky) , I posted here, yesterday Aug 24,2020 the following; I Mask We Mask You Mask They Mask He,She Mask....................thank you Wuhan, China. I see today that it has been removed. Why ? ( It was just a parody of a verb conjugation, even if a mask is not a verb but rather a noun)

@TLS - that's bulls*it. Taiwan is an island with strict border controls and broad testing. Masks have nothing to do with that. Do yourself a favour and compare the stats of fully mask-wearing countries like Spain, Japan and Brazil (masks worn even outside) with mask-free countries (Estonia, Finland, Norway, Iceland, Sweden, Netherlands, Switzerland, Czechia). If you come up with Taiwan as a relevant example, then I can come up with New Zealand - mask-free island that had almost a month with no local transmission at all. Masks are just a placebo. Accept this simple fact.