I’ve just (mostly) finished planning our next major trip, and it will hopefully contain several interesting hotel and flight reviews. Let me share the details, at least based on what I’ve planned so far.
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We’re flying Starlux Airlines to Japan!
Okay, planning for this trip actually started several weeks back. In the spring of 2023, Alaska Airlines and Starlux Airlines launched a partnership, and Alaska Mileage Plan introduced award redemptions on Starlux Airlines as of late July 2023.
When this launched, award availability was wide open, and there was very attractive introductory pricing, so I knew I needed to book something right away. I wanted to connect to somewhere within Asia, to be able to review the carriers’ A350-900s and A330-900neos.
Ford and I love Japan (I mean, who doesn’t?), so that seemed like the best option, especially given the value at the time:
- We could fly from Los Angeles to Taipei in Starlux Airlines’ A350 business class for 60K miles
- We could fly from Taipei to Osaka in Starlux Airlines’ A330 business class for 15K miles
This was introductory pricing that was pulled within a day, so unfortunately at this point the same award would be significantly more expensive. However, I’d say that 75K miles one-way for Starlux business class to Japan is an amazing value.
I can’t wait to once again fly Starlux Airlines. Now, in fairness, I’m thinking we’re only going to keep this itinerary in one direction, as I’d like to review something else new in the other direction. However, as of now I see nothing good, so Starlux Airlines is certainly a great backup to have!
We’re planning on visiting Osaka and Kyoto
Okay, I realize I’m basically the last person on earth who hasn’t visited Kyoto in the past decade, so it’s time to change that. 😉 I don’t know how many times Ford and I have planned a trip to Kyoto at this point, and for whatever reason it always fell through. I think it’ll work out this time, because you can bet that I really want to fly with Starlux Airlines!
Our plan is to first spend a few nights in Osaka. I booked the Conrad Osaka, which seems to be preferred by most to the St. Regis Osaka and Ritz-Carlton Osaka, as it’s much more modern. I managed to book this through Hilton Honors — I booked two nights for 95,000 points each, and one night using a free night award.
With that in mind, a few thoughts and questions:
- To those more familiar with the Osaka luxury hotel market, is the Conrad still preferred to the other options?
- Is Osaka worth spending a few days in? We love Tokyo, but would like to see something new this trip, and I’ve never “properly” visited Osaka
- Half of what I love about Japan is the food, so if anyone has any restaurant recommendations for Osaka, please do let me know (ranging from random to Michelin three star)
The plan is to then go to Kyoto, where I’ve booked the Park Hyatt Kyoto for two nights and then the Ritz-Carlton Kyoto for two nights. I booked the Park Hyatt Kyoto for 45,000 World of Hyatt points per night, while I booked the Ritz-Carlton Kyoto for 100,000 Marriott Bonvoy points per night (and for one night managed to use an 85,000-point free night award, which I topped off with 15,000 points).
It’s absolutely wild what the cash rates are like in Kyoto, as these hotels are retailing for well over $2,000 per night for base rooms.
Much like with Osaka, if anyone has any restaurant recommendations for Kyoto, I’d love to hear them! Also, are there any other Kyoto hotels we should pop into for a night, that would make for an interesting review? I’m intrigued by Roku Kyoto, which is a Hilton LXR property, but it seems it’s not quite to the same caliber of the Park Hyatt and Ritz-Carlton?
While there are several other parts of Japan I’d love to visit on this trip, realistically speaking we can only be gone for so long, so unfortunately I think that’ll be the extent of the trip this time around.
Bottom line
Several weeks back, I locked in some Starlux Airlines business class tickets to Japan, back when Alaska Airlines added the Taiwanese airline as a partner. I’ve now finished planning the rest of the trip, including stays with points at the Conrad Osaka, Ritz-Carlton Kyoto, and Park Hyatt Kyoto.
We’re open to modifying hotels and plans, so if anyone has any specific things they’d change, please let me know. And if anyone has any restaurant tips for Osaka or Kyoto (or favorite restaurant guides that they trust for these places), I’d love to hear them, because the food is a big part of what makes Japan awesome.
Seconding Osaka for street food, it's what the city is known for. They also have pretty good okonomiyaki. Follow your nose, you won't be disappointed.
For Kyoto, I have two restaurant rec's. One a western fusion, one a traditional:
1. モチコチキン専門店 LOCO CHICKEN - tiny 4 seat restaurant serving Gluten Free fried chicken. It's excellent, and was my mom's favorite meal on our trip last fall. It's 2 streets west of the Kamo river,...
Seconding Osaka for street food, it's what the city is known for. They also have pretty good okonomiyaki. Follow your nose, you won't be disappointed.
For Kyoto, I have two restaurant rec's. One a western fusion, one a traditional:
1. モチコチキン専門店 LOCO CHICKEN - tiny 4 seat restaurant serving Gluten Free fried chicken. It's excellent, and was my mom's favorite meal on our trip last fall. It's 2 streets west of the Kamo river, on Kawaramachi-dori
2. Teuchi Toru Soba - another smaller restaurant, I think 8 seat if I remember right. They specialize in Soba, and do the traditional-style made of pure buckwheat rather than mixed with regular wheat. Once again, a gluten free spot we took my mom last year. It's on Nijo dori, several blocks south of Kyoto National Garden.
If you want to follow your nose, try Pontocho Alley. It has loads of small izakayas and restaurants, and I've never been disappointed eating there.
I've stayed at all of the Marriott & Hilton luxury hotels in Osaka and Kyoto recently within the past 18 months. Since I'm a military officer who was stationed just outside Tokyo during Covid, we were able to hit these spots during visits to my wife’s hometown long before outside tourism opened up and just as domestic tourism started ramping up again.
KYOTO: Definitely recommend you spend at least 1 night at HOTEL THE MITSUI...
I've stayed at all of the Marriott & Hilton luxury hotels in Osaka and Kyoto recently within the past 18 months. Since I'm a military officer who was stationed just outside Tokyo during Covid, we were able to hit these spots during visits to my wife’s hometown long before outside tourism opened up and just as domestic tourism started ramping up again.
KYOTO: Definitely recommend you spend at least 1 night at HOTEL THE MITSUI KYOTO, part of the Luxury Collection. I'd easily put it in my top 5 worldwide. Highlights were awesome elite recognition (upgraded to a 1,200 sf Nijo suite with a points-redemption stay), served breakfast (vice buffet, which I know you prefer, and can chooses Japanese or Western sets), and onsen on-site. The take home sized bath amenities even came in specially branded metal containers, and incredible terry clothe slippers. In my view, tops Kyoto Ritz Carlton by every measure except no river view, but compensates with an awesome view of Nijo Castle literally across the street.
OSAKA: I know you’ve kind of soured on the W brand but Osaka really deserves a look. More family friendly than most W properties, and one of the best Bonvoy Elite free breakfasts I’ve enjoyed anywhere. It was also served vice buffet, except for a bakery trolley that comes around several time during the meal with the most delicious almond croissants on the planet. It is a bargain with points too, consistently <50K + always geat elite recognition. St Regis is a hidden gem too, and I’d say go there if doing a third night. Not massive in size, but peerless quality oil the furnishings, decor, cocktails, breakfast, service, everything. I’d take both these over the Ritz in Osaka all day long. The Osaka Conrad is also exceptional though, and I like it better than the Tokyo Conrad. I think it excels with a polished staff, although I barely remember the breakfast, so probably wasn’t a high point…
Restaurants: In Osaka, the Okonomiyaki shop called AJINOYA in Dotonbori area is famous throughout Asia (Always see a lot Koreans and Thais, so must be in all their guidebooks?) They have a set for two with Yakisoba and Okonomiyaki that we always get.
In the Kansai area, i suggest eating at 551 Horai. It is a chain but you can't get it anywhere else in Japan. If you like dumplings and buns, it is great + relatively cheap.
If you are in Osaka, Ikkaku in the Dotonbori area is also really good for roast chicken.
Stayed at Mitsui Kyoto recently. It was great. Also stayed at the Park Hyatt but much preferred the Mitsui for the natural light in the rooms and the underground hot spring.
Yes, agree and hot spring was a great & unique feature
Personally, I think staying at the Western hotel chains in Kyoto is a missed opportunity to try the various Japanese premium/luxury hotels (e.g. Garrya Nijo Castle Kyoto, Hotel Okura Kyoto Chazaki Bettei, Aoi Hotel Kyoto), ryokans (e.g. Nanzenji Sando Kikusui Kyoto, Sowaka Ryokan, Hiiragiya Ryokan, Yuzuya Ryokan) and refurbished machiyas (townhouses) within Kyoto.
If you love food you will love Osaka. Osaka is considered the kitchen of Japan and has great food culture. I would prefer the St.Regis due to location. It is close to the Dotonbori area and it is overall a wonderful hotel. It is my preferred hotel in Osaka. The Ritz is stuffy, old and far from most attractions. If you can split your time between both hotels.
Taipei has a priority pass lounge that offers overnight rooms, maybe review that. Secondly, I'd love info regarding hotels that offer 1 bedroom suites. Hubby and I have divergent sleep habits, and need more space than traditional room. I have booked Westin Miyako 1 bedroom club access suite in April. Were there other options? also peeved as a Titanium elite, had to pay extra to ensure lounge access, as cannot trust Marriott to honor my...
Taipei has a priority pass lounge that offers overnight rooms, maybe review that. Secondly, I'd love info regarding hotels that offer 1 bedroom suites. Hubby and I have divergent sleep habits, and need more space than traditional room. I have booked Westin Miyako 1 bedroom club access suite in April. Were there other options? also peeved as a Titanium elite, had to pay extra to ensure lounge access, as cannot trust Marriott to honor my lounge access without lounge level room
Second. Keiseki cuisine, traditionally served in ryokans, has been recognized as a World Heritage Culturally relevant experience. Not to be missed.
With no points and no mileage to boot, the better self paying hotel budget option is APA... from USD 50 - 75 a night SGL, can get central location near train station in Kyoto or subways in Osaka, clean neat room, come with breakfast and best of all ... Onsen like spa with bath facilities within the hotel...
I have personally stayed in Ritz Carlton kyoto and Roku kyoto. I would choose to pass on Roku. It’s a nice hotel with a thermal pool but there was something just lacking about the property. I would suggest doing the aman kyoto instead which is just 5 minutes away from Roku.
Do try the Japanese restaurant in Ritz Carlton. There was also a pierre Hermes in the hotel which is a nice touch.
In osaka,...
I have personally stayed in Ritz Carlton kyoto and Roku kyoto. I would choose to pass on Roku. It’s a nice hotel with a thermal pool but there was something just lacking about the property. I would suggest doing the aman kyoto instead which is just 5 minutes away from Roku.
Do try the Japanese restaurant in Ritz Carlton. There was also a pierre Hermes in the hotel which is a nice touch.
In osaka, I stayed at the st regis. It’s a business district hotel that is about 15 minutes walk to dotonbori
If you are in Kyoto go for a day trip to Hiroshima and the island next to it. It’s worth it. Go by train purchase tickets from the USA And do go to a ryokan the experience is unique and make sure to go to a steam bath.
Personally, as far as Kyoto is concerned, stay in a Ryokan. They may hit be part of some hotel points scheme but my word are they a much more unique and comfortable experience compared to hotels.
I would recommend staying in a Ryokan in Kyoto for at least 2 nights. Kyoto has some of the best. Pick one that has a reputuation for excellent meals and get the real Japanese experience.
Second. Keiseki cuisine, traditionally served in ryokans, has been recognized as a World Heritage Culturally relevant experience. Not to be missed.
Definitely Gion Sasaki, Maeda and Isshisoden Nakamura in Kyoto, for Osaka Hajime is great!
I would spend less nights in Kyoto and more in Osaka.
Re hotel, I would swap Conrad for Intercontinental. It’s an amazing new luxury property. 100% recommended.
Both are definitely fun! I’d highly recommend at least a day trip to Nara if you’re going to be in Kyoto and Osaka. Less crowded and you get to see the bowing deer.
Uncanny how familiar this is lol, I have nearly the same trip booked in late September/early October, including the 60k Starlux score, the hop to Osaka also on Starlux after several nights in Taipei, and the use of my 85k award for a night at the RC Kyoto!
Do be mindful of the fact that autumn colors reach their peak in Japan much later than they do at comparable American latitudes. In most of the Kansai region, the third or fourth week of November (and in some years, even the first week of December!) are optimal. If you come before ~November 20, you will see almost no colors in Kyoto or Osaka.
Also Osaka sucks definitely avoid it.
Uncanny how familiar this is lol, I have nearly the same trip booked in late September/early October, including the 60k Starlux score, the hop to Osaka also on Starlux after several nights in Taipei, and the use of my 85k award for a night at the RC Kyoto!
I’d like to see reviews of:
The luxury collection in Nara
The luxury collection Mitsui in Kyoto
The Benesse House in Naoshima (not points)
Here are my personal thoughts on each of the properties that I've stayed in:
Osaka:
Stayed at Conrad, St. Regis, W & Marriott. Conrad is undoubtedly Osaka's best hotel. I remember how my jaw dropped as I stepped out of the elevator to the sky lobby. St. Regis & W are both in a better location (right at the heart of Midosuji and just a short walk away to the bustling Dotonbori). If you fancy...
Here are my personal thoughts on each of the properties that I've stayed in:
Osaka:
Stayed at Conrad, St. Regis, W & Marriott. Conrad is undoubtedly Osaka's best hotel. I remember how my jaw dropped as I stepped out of the elevator to the sky lobby. St. Regis & W are both in a better location (right at the heart of Midosuji and just a short walk away to the bustling Dotonbori). If you fancy dizzying panoramic city & bay views, Marriott is the one. Haven't stayed at Ritz-Carlton as the classic room design looks rather dated & isn't really my cup of tea.
Kyoto:
Stayed at Aman, Park Hyatt & Four Seasons. Aman Kyoto's resort ground in peak autumn foliage is INSANELY beautiful. However the room rates during that period is crazy high, $3000/night even for the basic room category. The outdoor onsen was the resort's highlight, alongside the legendary Aman's magical touches. But if sightseeing is your main purpose for coming to Kyoto, better to avoid as it's rather far from Kyoto's main tourist attractions. Still the best Kyoto hotel in my book.
Park Hyatt has the best location, smacked right in the centre of the traditional Higashiyama neighbourhood. However the basic room category (even that is $2000/night) has the view of....stone wall? Opt for the pagoda-view suites instead.
I do love the pond, tea house & garden at Four Seasons. Leisurely having an alfresco breakfast under the autumn foliage was the thing I looked forward to every morning there. The cheaper option among Kyoto's 5-star properties. Have an upcoming stay at Ritz-Carlton also in the fall so who knows we might run into each other there?
My favourite time of year to visit Japan, as long as you go late enough for rainy season to have fizzled out. I did get caught once on my first visit in October and the plane home had to divert to avoid an approaching monsoon but no such problem when I went in November. In Tokyo, they show maple leaf symbols against certain stations on the Yamanote line that have a particular good showing of autumn colour, I imagine they would do something similar in Kyoto.
It's absolutely worth it to spend at least a few days in Osaka. I'm a regular traveler to Japan and half of my trips have been to Osaka. Since Japan has "opened" to foreigners in October 2022, I've been to Osaka 3 times and Tokyo and Sapporo on the other trips. I used to stay at the Hyatt (category 2 w/ Globalist status). It was such a deal, just so far out of the city....
It's absolutely worth it to spend at least a few days in Osaka. I'm a regular traveler to Japan and half of my trips have been to Osaka. Since Japan has "opened" to foreigners in October 2022, I've been to Osaka 3 times and Tokyo and Sapporo on the other trips. I used to stay at the Hyatt (category 2 w/ Globalist status). It was such a deal, just so far out of the city. One can argue however, the trip from the former Hyatt property was basically the same distance you'd travel within Tokyo if going from district to district. I can't comment on luxury hotels within the city as I've normally stayed at the Marriott Miyako (somewhat luxurious and SUPER convenient), Shin Osaka Marriott Courtyard or Honmachi Marriott Courtyard on points (platinum status). My wife and I normally stay in Osaka and travel to Kyoto if we want to do sightseeing there since the train to Kyoto is about 30 minutes and also affordable. We'd do that since we didn't care for how many tourists (like us) would be all over Kyoto. Also, we enjoy checking ot interesting bars and the local joints in Osaka at night. With regard to food, I can't recommend specific restaurants, but I can recommend areas of interest in Osaka. If you want to get off of the beaten path, I recommend going to Tsuruhashi. It's 2 stops east of Namba on the Kintetsu Line. I believe the Sennichimae line as well as the JR line also runs through Tsuruhashi. It will seem a little dingy if you go through the shopping arcade, but that area is interesting because I don't see tourists there, especially not in the evening. Tsuruhashi is well known for yakiniku, but there are a lot of interesting places to eat there including a standup sushi bar on the side of the road across from the JR station. There's a nice riverside cafe on Nakanoshima (a small island in the middle of the river, I believe the Conrad is on this island) where you can have a drink and a snack and look at the rose garden. Soup curry, something you'd generally eat in Sapporo is available in the Osaka ATC (close to where the Hyatt used to be). Soup curry is really tasty. There are some other places and really friendly pubs and bars I can recommend in Osaka, but since you'll have my email address once I submit this comment, you can reach out to me directly if you'd like more information. I kind of want to keep some of these hidden gems hidden.
I think it makes more sense to stay in Kyoto and daytrip to Osaka for a day, and maybe head back for another evening for dinner (food I think is much better in Osaka...Osaka is after all known as Japan's kitchen). It's a fairly short train ride.
100% agree.
Generally speaking, if given a choice, I prefer St Regis over Ritz Carlton.
FYI, Osaka is like FOODIE central of Japan and known worldwide for the food scene. Kyoto is uber traditional and for the culture, so stay in a Ryokan for the complete old school Japanese traditional experience.
Local Japanese here — in Kyoto you’ve gotta try “Karasemitei”; their Tonkatsu is the best in the world. You can find them on Instagram and there’s a reservation link too!
Takii
Kaiseki /Kyoto Washoku
Casually enjoy the atmosphere of riverside terrace seats in the geisha district
My son & I are visiting Japan this Oct. we made a reservation at this restaurant above. Can’t wait to try their Gyusuki & kaiseki. They also mentioned that it’ll be Kamo season as well.
Let’s enjoy Japan!
There's lots of great food recs here already, so only thing I will say is that Osaka is actually considered the best food city in Japan. You'll have a delicious time and make sure to try kushikatsu!
Longtime Osaka/Kyoto resident here…
When is your trip? You write “fall”, but that means different things to different people. Some might say fall starts in September, but summer is still in full swing here then — very hot and humid, not a hint of fall foliage!
Cooler days and fall foliage don’t really start until the very, very end of October or November (even safer).
Personally, I’m not a big fan of summer in Japan,...
Longtime Osaka/Kyoto resident here…
When is your trip? You write “fall”, but that means different things to different people. Some might say fall starts in September, but summer is still in full swing here then — very hot and humid, not a hint of fall foliage!
Cooler days and fall foliage don’t really start until the very, very end of October or November (even safer).
Personally, I’m not a big fan of summer in Japan, but I do love the fall. For my 2 cents, it’s the very best time to visit.
In any case, wishing you and Ford a wonderful trip!
hello, I could be the only the reader who is Japanese and originally from Osaka.
I recommend to go to Kani douraku which is famous crab restaurant and you may know the big sign of the crab.
lots of Asian tourists go the restaurant in Minami area but there's brunch in Kita- Shinchi where walking distance from Conrad.
I wish you enjoy staying Osaka!
All of my favorite meals have been in either Osaka or Kyoto. MOURIYA GION in Kyoto (Kobe beef teppanyaki) was a highlight from my last trip there. And you can make reservations online (a huge plus!). https://www.mouriya.co.jp/en/gion
Will you be taking the little one with you? I want to take my daughter (2yo), but I don't think we'd be able to do much fine dining at this age haha
Heading to Japan (Tokyo, Kyoto, Osaka and Fuji) exactly 2 weeks from today.
Flying JL First Class both there and back. Being based in Boston, I'm flying BOS-JFK-HND on the way there and HND-LAX-BOS on the way back. Booked with 80K AA miles each way. BOS-JFK leg is on American Airlines E175 (First), while LAX-BOS is on JetBlue Mint (booked before their partnership ended with AA).
Staying at the Andaz Tokyo in Tokyo, Park...
Heading to Japan (Tokyo, Kyoto, Osaka and Fuji) exactly 2 weeks from today.
Flying JL First Class both there and back. Being based in Boston, I'm flying BOS-JFK-HND on the way there and HND-LAX-BOS on the way back. Booked with 80K AA miles each way. BOS-JFK leg is on American Airlines E175 (First), while LAX-BOS is on JetBlue Mint (booked before their partnership ended with AA).
Staying at the Andaz Tokyo in Tokyo, Park Hyatt in Kyoto, The Ritz-Carlton in Osaka and Hoshinoya Fuji in Fuji. All of the hotels were booked on points, minus Hoshinoya.
Andaz Tokyo - 30K Hyatt points/night, Park Hyatt Kyoto - 35K Hyatt points/night, The Ritz-Carlton, Osaka - 57K Marriott points/night.
Pumped!
Awesome. You're going to love Andaz Tokyo - one of my favorite hotels on the planet. IMO I'd look at swapping out Ritz-Carlton in Osaka for W or St Regis - both a lot newer and great locations. Have fun!
I just read this. So glad to hear you loved the Andaz since we are staying there next year. Also the St. Regis in Osaka (but just one night) I was little worried about the location for the Andaz. Did you find it OK?
For Osaka accommodation, why not consider a ryokan? https://asianwanderlust.com/en/best-ryokan-osaka/ . The best guide in my view to any Japan destination more generally, including pages on Osaka, Kyoto and Nara (encompassing attractions, food, shopping, side trips, etc.) is https://www.japan-guide.com/,
A few humble Kyoto suggestions: A beautiful restaurant, very traditional, in town on the top of a hill overlooking Kyoto is called “Kyoyamato”: http://www.kyoyamato.com/ . At the other extreme, a funky bar in a young neighbourhood...
For Osaka accommodation, why not consider a ryokan? https://asianwanderlust.com/en/best-ryokan-osaka/ . The best guide in my view to any Japan destination more generally, including pages on Osaka, Kyoto and Nara (encompassing attractions, food, shopping, side trips, etc.) is https://www.japan-guide.com/,
A few humble Kyoto suggestions: A beautiful restaurant, very traditional, in town on the top of a hill overlooking Kyoto is called “Kyoyamato”: http://www.kyoyamato.com/ . At the other extreme, a funky bar in a young neighbourhood is Bluefish Aquarium: BLUE FISH AQUARIUM, Kyoto - City Center - Menu, Prices & Restaurant Reviews - Tripadvisor
For a really comprehensive menu for choosing among the thousand shrines, plus tourism and places to stay in Kyoto see the Japan Guide pages: http://www.japan-guide.com/e/e2158.html. Each visitor will have their favourite shrines and temples to recommend, so do make your own research in advance. But the one must-see, if you haven’t visited, is the temple of 1,000 buddahs : Sanjūsangen-dō. Some other destinations either in town or nearby, include Fushimi Inari-taisha, Osaka Castle, Tōdai-ji, Nijō Castle, and Himeji Castle.
From Kyoto, a 30 minute local train ride – very short -- takes you to the ancient capital of Nara -- it has in my view a great combination of ancient temples, beautiful scenery, country inns, and history: see http://www.japan-guide.com/e/e2165.html
You must go to Dotonbori. Walk around and people watch. And, of course, have a takoyaki. We love Japan and the people there.
I’ll also be there this fall (late November / early December) with stays at the Conrad Osaka and the PH Kyoto, along with the Andaz Tokyo. Let’s meet for a drink!
My son and I stayed at the intercontinental in Osaka in June and thought it was brilliant. Big well done rooms with great views. Really nice spa that you can visit for free.
Location is superb too.
Just came back 2 weeks ago.
Osaka is awesome. And really part of the journey is to use the Shinkansen (bullet train).
I found convenient to stay in Osaka and visit Kyoto and Kobe via train. Hotels are bigger and more reasonable in Osaka, and the night options are wider. The area with the Hilton East and West is the best IMO, with Ritz Carlton is next to them. All 3 have great shopping and...
Just came back 2 weeks ago.
Osaka is awesome. And really part of the journey is to use the Shinkansen (bullet train).
I found convenient to stay in Osaka and visit Kyoto and Kobe via train. Hotels are bigger and more reasonable in Osaka, and the night options are wider. The area with the Hilton East and West is the best IMO, with Ritz Carlton is next to them. All 3 have great shopping and restaurants, amazing bars and connected underground to the train.
Note: Osaka station is different from Shinkansen Osaka.
Try Din Tai Fun : Taiwan chain.
Have fun!! I visited Kyoto and Osaka this past February and it was great, even for travelers on a budget.
Osaka is definitely worth more than two nights, I was there for two nights and it's hard to see and experience everything. Osaka Aquarium is world class and has a whale shark, the largest fish in the world, I highly recommend it. While you're in the neighborhood, check out the Ferris wheel, it's one...
Have fun!! I visited Kyoto and Osaka this past February and it was great, even for travelers on a budget.
Osaka is definitely worth more than two nights, I was there for two nights and it's hard to see and experience everything. Osaka Aquarium is world class and has a whale shark, the largest fish in the world, I highly recommend it. While you're in the neighborhood, check out the Ferris wheel, it's one of the world's largest and has fantastic views of the city, bay, and surrounding mountains. We stayed near Shin-Sekai which is a really cool little district with the Tsūtenkaku but I don't know at what hours it's bustling. There's also Osaka Castle, and so many places to find outstanding food, but we weren't there long enough to enjoy them, so definitely give yourselves more time in Osaka!
We stayed in Higashiyama in the heart of Gion, right down the street from Yasaka shrine. Be ready to take lots of cabs, because the buses are packed during the day. It's crowded and busy at Shijo-dori and Higashiyama-dori, but also great shopping and great museums. Check out the Heian Shrine if either of you are a big history buff, it's 1/8 scale of the actual Imperial Palace 1000 years ago in Heian-Kyo.
Have fun, you two!
Combine it with your avgeek post and fly out via the United Island Hopper.
Great trip itinerary, when are you going ?
I live part time in Osaka (family is there). If my dates align with your dates, I would be more than happy to show you around the city. Aside from being the gateway to Kansai (Wakayama, Nara, Kyoto, and Hyogo), Osaka itself does have a lot to offer, from the wonderful views that can be seen from Abeno Harukas, to the masses of people visiting the Glico Sign and shopping in Dotonbori. Don't forget some...
I live part time in Osaka (family is there). If my dates align with your dates, I would be more than happy to show you around the city. Aside from being the gateway to Kansai (Wakayama, Nara, Kyoto, and Hyogo), Osaka itself does have a lot to offer, from the wonderful views that can be seen from Abeno Harukas, to the masses of people visiting the Glico Sign and shopping in Dotonbori. Don't forget some of the historical points, such as Osaka Castle and one of my favourites and close-by Shi-Tennoji Temple area.
I will reach out via e-mail, but please let me know.
As the song goes, "Osaka, ore no machi yakara" (^^)
Hajime in Osaka is really excellent, one of my favorite meals. It's quite pricey but intimate and worth it.
Zipair?
Oh, Kikunoi Honten was cool, it's kaseiki in what feels like a private residence, shoes off, own dining room, very classically Japanese.
There are so many good restaurants in Japan, so instead of recommending something specific, I'd suggest using Tabelog to find something to eat. It's much better than using Yelp/Google review/Michelin. Note that the scores are rated on a real bell curve, so you're going to find the vast majority of restaurants in the 3.2-3.7 range, anything higher and it's truly excellent (and will likely require reservation).
Osaka wise, there's also the new W Osaka, but...
There are so many good restaurants in Japan, so instead of recommending something specific, I'd suggest using Tabelog to find something to eat. It's much better than using Yelp/Google review/Michelin. Note that the scores are rated on a real bell curve, so you're going to find the vast majority of restaurants in the 3.2-3.7 range, anything higher and it's truly excellent (and will likely require reservation).
Osaka wise, there's also the new W Osaka, but everyone has their own opinion about W. I prefer the Conrad.
Kyoto wise, Park Hyatt and Ritz Carlton Kyoto are both excellent, and the location is quite central. However, I wouldn't exactly compare them to the Roku LXR, since Roku is much more resort like, with in-room onsen in some rooms. As someone who has been to Kyoto many times, I actually prefer the Roku's peaceful environment and taking a bike out to town, instead of being right in the middle of the action (with all the pros and cons that entails). Helps burn off all the calories from eating too.
Also, Osaka is a great city, many of my Japanese friends love it more than Tokyo, and you can feel that the average person is more outgoing/friendly than Tokyo. That said, the language barrier is greater since a smaller percentage speak English. That includes restaurants (menus) and signs. If you don't mind that, you'll have a blast.
Through a booking SNAFU in Kyoto we discovered that there are Western and Japanese style rooms at most of the major hotels. We ended up in a fantastic tatami room with traditional soaking tub and all the amenities. Score a ryokan experience on points! Ask and see if they'll hook you up.
Go to the restaurant Hajime in Osaka.
Also, when in Japan, don’t rely on Michelin stars. They present a very skewed picture of dining in Japan. Refer to Tabelog; they have English pages available.
Guessing you already know, but to make reservations at most upscale places you will need to either get in touch with your hotel concierge to make the booking or use a reservation service such as Pocket Concierge. It’s very common for...
Go to the restaurant Hajime in Osaka.
Also, when in Japan, don’t rely on Michelin stars. They present a very skewed picture of dining in Japan. Refer to Tabelog; they have English pages available.
Guessing you already know, but to make reservations at most upscale places you will need to either get in touch with your hotel concierge to make the booking or use a reservation service such as Pocket Concierge. It’s very common for restaurants to not accept reservations directly from tourists. Hajime, the place I mentioned, is one of the exceptions that accept reservations from tourists.
Making reservations is the worst part about visiting Japan. Almost no direct online booking and even the sites you have to pay to make a reservation are just calling the restaurant on your behalf.
There are a lot more restaurants taking digital reservations through Gurunavi and tabelog; and many using Line rather than phone for confirmation and communication so no need for a local number.
Restaurants really had to get competitive post-pandemic and actually fight for customers, making things more convenient.
Of course you have to speak, read, write some Japanese but even a little knowledge and google translate will get you far. Although I seem to...
There are a lot more restaurants taking digital reservations through Gurunavi and tabelog; and many using Line rather than phone for confirmation and communication so no need for a local number.
Restaurants really had to get competitive post-pandemic and actually fight for customers, making things more convenient.
Of course you have to speak, read, write some Japanese but even a little knowledge and google translate will get you far. Although I seem to be the restaurant booker for all my friends going to japan inspire of this.
"Okay, I realize I’m basically the last person on earth who hasn’t visited Kyoto in the past decade, so it’s time to change that." Absurd comment.
Yeah that does scream out of touch and entitled
Aman Kyoto? You seem maybe to have given up entirely on Aman properties, which is a little extreme.
Great you can make this work- Also headed there this fall, maybe I will bump into you!
The problem with any trip to Japan is that there are more wonderful experiences than you will have time for. Doesn't matter if you spend all the time in Osaka, all of it in Kyoto, or a mix (or head out to Hakone, Tokyo, etc)- you will both have amazing experiences and "miss" a bunch of stuff too....
Great you can make this work- Also headed there this fall, maybe I will bump into you!
The problem with any trip to Japan is that there are more wonderful experiences than you will have time for. Doesn't matter if you spend all the time in Osaka, all of it in Kyoto, or a mix (or head out to Hakone, Tokyo, etc)- you will both have amazing experiences and "miss" a bunch of stuff too. The only solution is to keep going back!
When we were there last fall (just after reopening), it was marvelous with the fall colours and relative lack of tourists.
We had an award stay at PH Kyoto with a suite upgrade. Marvelous hotel with good globalist recognition. The champagne evening reception is a nice touch, the breakfasts are quite nice. The hotel blends with the local landscape and neighborhood beautifully
As for a few points of advice, I also HIGHLY recommend at least one night at a traditional ryokan. I personally found Shiraume to be one of the best experiences in Kyoto (although admittedly many other ryokan would also be excellent as well). The innkeeper at Shiraume is a delight and an excellent resource to introduce you to the city.
Someone else recommended Tawaraya- also an excellent choice, but a bit difficult to get a room at. Hoshinoya is quite an experience if you have unlimited funds....
If you decide to visit the Arashiyama Bamboo Grove (with a million selfie loving influencers also in attendance) go EARLY, and then walk all the way up to Otagi Nenbutsu-ji Temple and back, stopping in the smaller temples on the way. You won't regret it.
The Doubts are headed to Japan for Thanksgiving week. Maybe we’ll run into you!
I doubt it.
Ben, I know you've booked the Ritz in Kyoto but if it's available for the same number of points, I would stay at the Hotel The Mitsui Kyoto. I was there in early March after running the Tokyo Marathon. It's DIRECTLY across the street from the Nijo Castle and the Japanese breakfast which came with elite status was truly remarkable. It's also basically brand new only opening in November of 2020. Lastly, if you have...
Ben, I know you've booked the Ritz in Kyoto but if it's available for the same number of points, I would stay at the Hotel The Mitsui Kyoto. I was there in early March after running the Tokyo Marathon. It's DIRECTLY across the street from the Nijo Castle and the Japanese breakfast which came with elite status was truly remarkable. It's also basically brand new only opening in November of 2020. Lastly, if you have any remaining suite night awards you can see if they'll clear.
Second this.
Definitely second this - MITSUI is in a league of it's own amongst the Marriott-branded properties anywhere in Japan. Agree breakfast was fantastic too.
I will recommend Imperial Hotel Osaka. It is not located at the heart of Osaka, however the customer service, amenities and the facilities of this hotel make it one of the best in town.
We really enjoyed a couple of nights at Hiiragiya (ryokan) after a few nights at the Westin. Great location in the middle of the city, but once you're inside, you'd have no idea. Food and service are top-notch.
Kikunoi for an incredible kaiseki cuisine experience.
Personally, I would keep the Starlux itinerary back to US (especially since the boba is on routes departing TPE but not to TPE). Also, presently there is a lot of last minute award space TO Japan but not from Japan (excluding HNL).
Please fly the ANA Turtle A380 to HNL coming back! That would make for a great review.
I second that!
A day trip to Nara would be lovely. Osaka is considered the kitchen of Japan, lots of delicious food items. Don't stay on Dotonburi, but explore the smaller alleyways - much more authentic. Recommend Okonomiyaki!
Kyoto is amazing too - do your research and book yourself into a Kaiseki meal. Have fun.
Kyoto is fantastic - I strongly recommend you do one night at a traditional ryokan for the experience. We stayed at Hiiragiya ryokan - 200 years old and oozing tradition. Amazing dinner there, tatami sleeping mats, whole 9. Not sure I'd do more than a night there... but great experience.
Was in both in May - both are great! A restaurant we absolutely loved in Kyoto was Yagenbori - the chef has an amazing personality and really put on a show for us at the counter.
Just spent time in Tokyo, Kyoto and Osaka. I loved Tokyo and Kyoto - Osaka, not so much. The Conrad is the best part of the city if you ask me. I'd cut that part short.
In Kyoto check out Giro Giro Hitoshina which is incredible value Kaiseki and very fun. You will need a reservation well in advance.
In Osaka check out Capi which is Michelin starred Japanese/Italian fusion and on the other end of the cost scale... but worth it. Only 8 seats at the counter, incredibly attentive service. We went on our honeymoon recently and absolutely loved it. Try not to go on your last evening in Osaka as you may be given some leftovers.
@Ben - just went to Japan in May. The Park Hyatt Kyoto is one of the best hotels my wife and I have ever stayed (4 nights). Simply perfect. Globalist recognition is good. We got a terrace suite, which was nice and quiet. That said, if you can face the city, you’ll have epic views (just not outdoor space). They do upcharge for Japanese breakfast, which is pretty lame if you ask me. It’s free...
@Ben - just went to Japan in May. The Park Hyatt Kyoto is one of the best hotels my wife and I have ever stayed (4 nights). Simply perfect. Globalist recognition is good. We got a terrace suite, which was nice and quiet. That said, if you can face the city, you’ll have epic views (just not outdoor space). They do upcharge for Japanese breakfast, which is pretty lame if you ask me. It’s free either way at the PH Tokyo.
And the restaurant (Yasaka) and bar are incredible as well. There’s not much online about Yasaka but trust me it is divine.
I am also going to Japan (Tokyo/Kanazawa/Kyoto) in the late fall. I've been trying weekly since April to find award availability in Kyoto at the Park Hyatt Kyoto or the SLH property there with ZERO luck. How in the world did you get that??? I've got to stay across town at the Hyatt Regency.
Hi Ben - did you see Chef's Table on Netflix? There's an episode that features a restaurant called "Monk" in Kyoto. It's one of the most special places I've ever been - I went with my wife on my honeymoon. Tiny place in a residential neighborhood. Everything cooked in front of you in a wood oven, including the appetizer of pizza! It's a must, must go. The Ritz was able to make reservations for me and my wife.
Ben, I would suggest as Mike O did to stay at an onsen. On my way to Kyoto or back I often make a trip to Hakone in the mountains. If you then go up to Gora, there are many good places that offer traditional rooms, shared baths, and wonderful meals. Good access from the Shinkansen at Odawara, or you can take a direct train from Shinjuku Station in Tokyo right into Hakone. One suggestion...
Ben, I would suggest as Mike O did to stay at an onsen. On my way to Kyoto or back I often make a trip to Hakone in the mountains. If you then go up to Gora, there are many good places that offer traditional rooms, shared baths, and wonderful meals. Good access from the Shinkansen at Odawara, or you can take a direct train from Shinjuku Station in Tokyo right into Hakone. One suggestion is to travel light if possible since you're moving around from station to station,etc. We have often shipped our bags from our Tokyo hotel to our Kyoto hotel if we are stopping in Hakone and this service is very reliable.
Also a Kyoto person mentioned the Mitsui and Suiran. I have stayed at the Suiran a couple of times and enjoyed it. It is sort of a Western/Japanese fusion in a way but it is situated in a nice area near the bamboo forest. It is nice to have the quiet experience of walking through the bamboo forest early in the day or later in the evening with almost no one there.
not sure about the osaka st regis and conrad but the ritz osaka and hilton are connected to the underground city so makes it easy when the weather is bad (tsunami, snow, rain) to grab food and get to the stations.
You really should consider at the very least a day trip to Nara
Why Nara, please tell me more?
We will be in Tokyo and Kyoto (just passing through Osaka) in early Nov. We hope to get some fall colors although we might be slightly early at least for the peak...
Check out Shinsho-an in Kyoto. Four total rooms so definitely ryokan-type stay, but extremely high quality in every way. Had an extraordinary stay in June.
I think you'll love Osaka. Go to Dotonbori at night for tons of food options. Also a vibrant gay scene in town. The castle is worth checking out.
The Marriott Osaka is brand new and it's the tallest building in Japan. Great award availability last time I was there and we were happy we stayed there instead of a 'nicer' chain mainly for the views.
Everyone seems to think Ryokan or Western, but it doesn't have to be one or the other... RC Kyoto is arguably the best property they have in their portfolio. I way prefer it to PH. Even my most discerning clients have absolutely loved it. I do strongly suggest you mix in at least one night at a Ryokan, and there are many in Kyoto to choose from.
Osaka is the food capitol, so you...
Everyone seems to think Ryokan or Western, but it doesn't have to be one or the other... RC Kyoto is arguably the best property they have in their portfolio. I way prefer it to PH. Even my most discerning clients have absolutely loved it. I do strongly suggest you mix in at least one night at a Ryokan, and there are many in Kyoto to choose from.
Osaka is the food capitol, so you will not have any issues finding good options, but it's particularly known for the street food.
I booked a similar trip this week. For your return, I'd propose EVA Ajr. Since you mentioned they internally have great award availability with their own miles, I've noticed you're completely right on business class. Also, it'd be good to review Taiwan carriers on the same trip.
I stayed at the St Regis Osaka in 2019 and it was incredible - centrally located, modern, large rooms for Japan, terrific breakfast. I can't speak to any post-pandemic experiences though.
I think Osaka is worth ~3 days, maybe including a day trip to Kobe, which is ~30 minutes away on the train
I second that! We have stayed twice at the St Regis Osaka and loved it both times (pre 2020 as well). We were never upgraded to a suite but the ‘Grand’ rooms are very comfortable and classy and have great views. Breakfast was high quality. Osaka is fun at night in particular with all the lights, stores and restaurants, and covered walkways in Dotonbori. There‘s also the castle. I’d say give it two days/evenings. Never...
I second that! We have stayed twice at the St Regis Osaka and loved it both times (pre 2020 as well). We were never upgraded to a suite but the ‘Grand’ rooms are very comfortable and classy and have great views. Breakfast was high quality. Osaka is fun at night in particular with all the lights, stores and restaurants, and covered walkways in Dotonbori. There‘s also the castle. I’d say give it two days/evenings. Never did the day trip to Kobe but I think that‘s a good suggestion. The Conrad, I am sure, is nice as well, though you probably want Diamond status with Hilton to get access to everything.
Are you planning to stay in Taipei/Taiwan for few days and do some hotel reviews? There is a new Wyndham Sun Moon Lake opened in Taiwan, which represents great redemption (15,000 Wyndham points per night vs $300 per night). Or you are just going to Tokyo and having Taipei just a stopover?
Kyoto is lovely and all, but Osaka is a lot of fun
Osaka is known for b級グルメ or great "street" food
It's not scenic but a great town to go out in, people are cool etc
Kyoto's charms are fun for about three or four days
I stayed at the Roku Kyoto on Hilton points this year, and it is absolutely fabulous. The hotel is set a bit away from downtown and offers tranquil gardens and mountain views. Service was excellent, and the employee to guest ratio seemed to be almost 1:1. (The hotel was about 75% full). Garden Deluxe rooms have a huge plunge bath that is supplied by natural hot springs waters. So is the heated pool. The restaurant's...
I stayed at the Roku Kyoto on Hilton points this year, and it is absolutely fabulous. The hotel is set a bit away from downtown and offers tranquil gardens and mountain views. Service was excellent, and the employee to guest ratio seemed to be almost 1:1. (The hotel was about 75% full). Garden Deluxe rooms have a huge plunge bath that is supplied by natural hot springs waters. So is the heated pool. The restaurant's Chef's Counter set menu was better than two 3* Michelin restaurants we tried.
Maybe VOCO at Osaka? New hotel
Oh yes as everybody else says, do NOT stay at a western chain in Kyoto. Stay at a ryokan for a real true taste of Japan. Otherwise why bother? Find a good travel agent who can set you up with a good one. That’s what you want in Kyoto. Not a chain you could get in Phoenix
why would you stay at a ryokan?
They are over-priced and they shut the doors at 9pm
most over hyped experience ever
There are many Ryokans in Kyoto with no “curfew”, and they provide a tremendous, personalized experience…
Agree...the same hype as pretending to love Sake "because you really have to do that in Japan" while thinking the taste reminds you of bird cage litter.
Man, I really hate Japan's lottery system for concerts, you literally cannot choose your seats and it's impossible for you and your friends to be seated together, and they're one of the only two Asian countries on Taylor's radar
I’d recommend 2 days in Osaka. Just enough to see the incredible castle and enjoy some good food. Beyond that there’s not as much of a variety of things to do as Kyoto
Osaka is a corporate town, so the Conrad is fine. But the POINT of Kyoto is old-school, traditional Japanese. Staying at the Hyatt and FS is so obviously because of Privé and Virtuoso connections. At least stay at a historic ryokan for part of it, like Kanamean Nishitomiy, to get a taste of true Japanese hospitality, not just Western blah blah you can get anywhere.
Basing my advice here on 2 trips to Japan, the most recent of which was just 4 months ago.
Osaka: I'm really interested in your review of the Conrad; I did see it when looking at hotels but felt the price difference versus the Hilton for cash and for points was hard to swallow. I myself would point you towards the W (it had substance and style, don't worry)- I had a fantastic and too-short...
Basing my advice here on 2 trips to Japan, the most recent of which was just 4 months ago.
Osaka: I'm really interested in your review of the Conrad; I did see it when looking at hotels but felt the price difference versus the Hilton for cash and for points was hard to swallow. I myself would point you towards the W (it had substance and style, don't worry)- I had a fantastic and too-short stay there on my most recent trip. And even though it was 10000-20000 JPY per night cheaper than the St Regis/Ritz Carlton, the point redemption rate was half the price at 48000 points (plus I did get a suite upgrade). (I'll also comment on how I have conflicted feelings about the Westin Osaka) Restaurant recommendations for me include Matsusakagyu Yakiniku M Namba (beef restaurant) and Sushidokoro Kurosugi (sushi)- make reservations at both. Otherwise just buy random snacks and explore- Osaka is a "live life by letting loose" type of Japanese city.
Kyoto: Let me guess- availability at the Park Hyatt Kyoto was a pain to find. Having stayed at the Ritz in my first visit (and paid a much lower redemption rate) I'd love to hear your compare/contrast with the PH and whether it's worth 100K Marriott points now or not. The hotel market in Kyoto has gotten WAY MORE competitive from the first time I went there to the second time, with a lot more affordable options from the major American chains in addition to the luxury options. As for the Roku, the location seems ideal for the tourism spots way up there in the north of Kyoto but out of the way for everything else. I did stay a night in the Arashiyama region of Kyoto at the Suiran, a Luxury Collection hotel, which I'm glad I did to experience the sights there but it's quite expensive and my stay there was way too short.
Hope that helps and look forward to hearing your thoughts!
This suggestion does not fit with any of your interests in points and miles redemptions for hotels, but you should do it anyway. The Tawaraya Ryokan is the best in Kyoto and possibly Japan. It is an extraordinary experience. You stay a night, have a fabulous meal, bath etc, and you could be in 16th Century Japan, but with all the mod-cons. It's not on any booking system, and you will need to follow the...
This suggestion does not fit with any of your interests in points and miles redemptions for hotels, but you should do it anyway. The Tawaraya Ryokan is the best in Kyoto and possibly Japan. It is an extraordinary experience. You stay a night, have a fabulous meal, bath etc, and you could be in 16th Century Japan, but with all the mod-cons. It's not on any booking system, and you will need to follow the advice in the link below to book.
But you must do it. It's an other-worldly experience, not to be missed.
https://www.insidekyoto.com/how-to-book-tawaraya-ryokan
Osaka is absolutely known as THE food city in Japan. Do some research and enjoy for a few days.
More than enough time down south. Haven’t done Conrad Osaka but Conrad Tokyo is great. I liked the St. Regis Osaka. In Kyoto eat at Endo Tempura.
Welcome to Japan! As a Kyoto-city local may I recommend you two Marriott hotels for onsen (hot spring) experiences:
1) Hotel The Mitsui, which comes with a complementary access to Thermal Spring Spa which is a shared onsen pool exclusively for those staying in the hotel.
2) Suiran, which has some rooms with in-room onsen.
Both of these are just a walking distance from historic places worth visiting; Nijojo Castle and Tenryuji...
Welcome to Japan! As a Kyoto-city local may I recommend you two Marriott hotels for onsen (hot spring) experiences:
1) Hotel The Mitsui, which comes with a complementary access to Thermal Spring Spa which is a shared onsen pool exclusively for those staying in the hotel.
2) Suiran, which has some rooms with in-room onsen.
Both of these are just a walking distance from historic places worth visiting; Nijojo Castle and Tenryuji Temple, respectively. I did check today and it seems both of them are still serving complementary breakfast for Platinum members and above.
Agree with your advice and I recall when I stayed at the Suiran they also did a free taxi service from Kyoto station for Plat and above. Well positioned to hit the bamboo forest early to beat the crowds
I remember a famous place for steak & steak sandwiches in Kyoto.
http://hafuu.com/eng_menu.html
I visited Japan for the first time this year, and visited Osaka, Kyoto and Tokyo.
Osaka was my favourite. It had a great balance between historical sights/modern city.
Kyoto has amazing sights, but it has a bad case of overtourism. I was exhausted from trying to get past the crowds at most sights. I think it can work if you hit destinations at the crack of dawn and are super organised about restaurant bookings.
In Kyoto as I type this. Eating at kushikura which is good. If you like bike tours, check out the hidden Kyoto tour. Was much more than a bike tour and very enjoyable. Staying at the Westin which is fine but nothing to get excited about.
Japanese native here. I'm biased, but I'd say cut Osaka short and spend more time in Kyoto. Especially in the fall (typically late Nov), the autumn leaves are simply breathtaking there. A bunch of amazing restaurants. I can spend days just going from temple to temple and adoring their yards. Don't miss Shisen-do and get Tofu dishes by Nanzen-ji. The former is serene and quiet - a wonderful place for meditation. Multiple Tofu course places...
Japanese native here. I'm biased, but I'd say cut Osaka short and spend more time in Kyoto. Especially in the fall (typically late Nov), the autumn leaves are simply breathtaking there. A bunch of amazing restaurants. I can spend days just going from temple to temple and adoring their yards. Don't miss Shisen-do and get Tofu dishes by Nanzen-ji. The former is serene and quiet - a wonderful place for meditation. Multiple Tofu course places near Nanzen-ji. Can't really go wrong with any.
I went to Kyoto with my partner in May this year. We were tossing up between RC and 4S and ultimately went with the latter. Didn’t regret it at all, and I encourage you to check it out. Not quite as ‘central’ as RC but actually in a better location, closer to Gion and temple district, but not right in the thick of a tourist area which the PH is.
4S on the other hand...
I went to Kyoto with my partner in May this year. We were tossing up between RC and 4S and ultimately went with the latter. Didn’t regret it at all, and I encourage you to check it out. Not quite as ‘central’ as RC but actually in a better location, closer to Gion and temple district, but not right in the thick of a tourist area which the PH is.
4S on the other hand is surrounded by beautiful gardens, true artisanal shops and great cafes and restaurants visited by mostly locals and in the know tourists.
FS is in a great location: nice and quiet but an easy walk into the old town.
Would you be willing to try ANA's A380 to HNL on the return? I don't recall you doing a review on ANAs A380. And how about staying at an onsen, using the shinkansen?
Yes please! I had the same idea about the ANA A380.
What if you flew Cathay to DEL, Vistara to LHR then United or Delta back?
You would have to call Aeroplan to book the Vistara flight as it is ex-India, and that would be a pretty long journey, maybe too long away for you to do it.
If you could though it would be great as Cathay is apparently not nearly as good as it was pre-covid.
I am heading to Kyoto this week. Flying JAL from SAN to NRT in J; coming back HND to DFW in F. Used AA miles. I’ll post some restaurant recommendations….