BOOKED: I’m Flying Lufthansa Allegris, Thai & Kuwait First Class!!

BOOKED: I’m Flying Lufthansa Allegris, Thai & Kuwait First Class!!

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I’m about to embark on my next review trip, and wanted to provide a rundown of what I have planned. A few days ago I shared how I managed to snag an award seat in Lufthansa’s new Allegris business class, and now I’ve managed to finalize most of the rest of the itinerary. I’m really excited about this trip, as it’s going to have some unique flights. There’s no Emirates or Qatar Airways on this trip!

I booked Lufthansa’s new A350 business class

Lufthansa is finally launching its Allegris business class, as the first A350-900 with the new cabins is flying between Munich and Vancouver as of May 1, 2024 (on select frequencies).

Unsurprisingly, business class award availability on the new A350 is pretty awful. That’s not because there’s a sudden increase in demand, but rather because there’s a material reduction in capacity. Lufthansa’s A350 business class cabin is going from having 48 seats to having 38 seats, so that’s not good for award availability.

I’ve been keeping a close eye on availability, and to my surprise, I was able to find a business class award seat on one of the first flights to feature the Allegris cabins, so I couldn’t help but book it. I think it’s fair to say that this is one of the most anticipated business class products in history. After all, we’ve been waiting for it to launch since 2017, when it was announced. So I figure it’s my duty to finally give this product a try ASAP, and see what it’s like.

Lufthansa Allegris is becoming a reality!

The other airlines I’ll be flying on this trip

Since this was planned pretty last minute, I was crunched for time to actually put a trip together. On the plus side, often availability is the best last minute, so I suppose it all worked out. As I went about planning this, I both referenced the list I made of the airline products that I’d most like to review, plus I read all the suggestions OMAAT readers had for what they’d like to read about. With that in mind, let me share what I booked.

Delta’s 737 & A319 first class

For this trip I first need to position to Vancouver, and there were no good last minute award options, so I booked a (reasonably priced) paid first class ticket. When you’re flying Lufthansa Allegris you want to arrive in style, so of course I needed to fly with the United States’ most premium airline, Delta. 😉

I haven’t reviewed the short haul Delta experience in quite some time, but plan to do so again, including the newly expanded Sky Club in Miami. I’m crediting this itinerary to Air France-KLM Flying Blue, given that I’m pursuing Platinum status with the program.

I’ll be reviewing two Delta flights

EgyptAir’s A320neo business class

I wasn’t initially sure where to go from Munich, so I did what I always do — when in doubt, fly to Cairo. Cairo consistently has among the most reasonable paid first and business class fares, so if I’m looking to review something, it’s always the ideal place to be “based.”

Best of all, my flight from Munich to Cairo is operated by EgyptAir’s Airbus A320neo, which will allow me to review a new product (I’ve reviewed EgyptAir’s Boeing 787-9 and Boeing 737-800). I’m of course coming in with reasonable expectations…

I last flew EgyptAir on the Boeing 787

Kuwait Airways’ A330 & 777 first class

Kuwait Airways is one of two airlines in the world that I haven’t yet flown in first class. I’ve been talking about it long enough, so it’s time to finally rip off the band-aid and do this. I managed to find a reasonable Kuwait Airways first class fare from Cairo to Kuwait to Bangkok, with the first flight operated by the Airbus A330-300, and the second flight operated by the Boeing 777-300ER.

I’m managing my expectations here, but am excited to check off a new first class product from my list. If I’m not mistaken, the last airline I flew in first class for the first time was TAAG Angola, and that was… an adventure.

For what it’s worth, while this is a revenue ticket, I booked this through Amex Travel using the “Pay with Points” feature, so I got 1.54 cents of value per point toward the redemption.

I’m excited to fly Kuwait Airways first class

Thai Airways’ 777 first class

Long gone are the days where Thai Airways flies the Airbus A380 or Boeing 747. Instead, the airline now just offers first class on a small fleet of Boeing 777s. So I’ll be flying Thai Airways first class from Bangkok to Tokyo. I’m curious to see how the product is holding up, and also checking out Thai Airways’ new lounge situation in Bangkok, including the carrier’s new Prestige Business Lounge, plus the Prestige First Lounge (which is within the same lounge).

It’ll be my first time in Thai Airways’ new first class

And then I don’t know…

So far I’ve planned this trip as far as Tokyo, though I’m still waiting to finalize the last segment home. Once I land in Tokyo, I do need to get home within 24 hours, so I won’t be routing back via Europe or the Middle East.

There are some “safe” options that are available, like United business class. However, for now I’m playing it by ear, to see if anything more interesting opens. I’d love to fly ANA’s A380 first class, Japan Airlines’ A350 business class, etc., though that award availability can be hard to come by.

Bottom line

I’m starting my next review trip, which is primarily motivated by being able to fly Lufthansa’s Allegris A350 business class. Of course if I’m going to pack up my bags and leave home, I like to make it worth my while (well, and your while!). So I’ll also be reviewing business class on Delta and EgyptAir, as well as first class on Kuwait Airways and Thai Airways.

This should be an adventure, so stay tuned. Thanks for all the feedback on recommended itineraries, and get ready for lots of “live” content.

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  1. Frank Guest

    Hi Lucky, long time reader. Why have you stopped mentioning how many miles and cash for the tickets? Its a practice TPG did and I stopped reading due to transparency issues.

  2. W Ho Guest

    Don’t get too excited about TG First.

  3. gideyup11 Member

    How about adding a review of a Premium Economy product?

  4. Shiv Ganatra Guest

    My 2 options:
    ANA A380 NRT-HNL
    Hawaiian 787 HNL-LAX
    United 777+737MAX8 LAX-ORD-MIA
    OR:
    Starlux HND-TPE
    Starlux TPE-SEA
    Delta A321neo SEA-JFK, A320 JFK-MIA

  5. Trey Guest

    How about NRT-HNL via ANA premium economy on A380 and then HNL back to mainland on Hawaiian's 787 business?

  6. Blake Pickering Guest

    Unfortunately, TPG has already reviewed the product. However, they were provided a free ticket, which is rather beyond the "normal passenger" experience.

    https://thepointsguy.com/news/lufthansa-allegris-first-flight-review/

    1. Ben Schlappig OMAAT

      @ Blake Pickering -- Interesting post on TPG. I respect David a lot and like his writing, though it seems the story talks more about the overall inaugural flight and Allegris introduction, rather than the new business class as such.

      I just got off my Allegris flight, and will have my thoughts in the coming hours. I have a LOT more to say about all the seating options, because there's more here than meets the eye.

    2. Blake Pickering Guest

      Looking forward to the trip report!

    3. InceptionCat Gold

      That 'review' if you'd call it that, is more of a press release from Lufthansa. The releases we have read in the last couple of months.
      Ben will take this apart and i can't wait to fly it in a few days.

  7. uldguy Diamond

    Ben, spend the night in Tokyo and then head out to Narita and take the Air Calin flight to Noumea. They may not have caviar again in business class, but they really do offer a great product. From there you can hop down to Australia and head home from there.

  8. snory New Member

    Thai Airways First Class section in the Thai Airways Prestige Lounge is just mediocre at best in my opinion. Very sad especially in TG home hub. I would love to see your take as well Ben.
    Sadly, the Royal Orchid Spa has been turned into the so some sort of Tea Lounge for TG premium cabin passenger and ROP Platinum member. If you have time, please do visit. Don't set a high expectation though...

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    Thai Airways First Class section in the Thai Airways Prestige Lounge is just mediocre at best in my opinion. Very sad especially in TG home hub. I would love to see your take as well Ben.
    Sadly, the Royal Orchid Spa has been turned into the so some sort of Tea Lounge for TG premium cabin passenger and ROP Platinum member. If you have time, please do visit. Don't set a high expectation though...

    Ps. The previous space that TG first lounge used to occupy is now the Coral Lounge which belongs to Priority Pass. If you have time, I suggest you check it out. There is a complimentary neck and shoulder massage for 15 min. as well. There is also a sleeping room available in Coral Lounge for additional charges in case you want to check it out.

  9. Pete Guest

    Another east-bound RTW? No wonder they always leave you feeling so wrecked! Long east-bound flights always give me hideous jetlag, even if we've flown in first class.

  10. CharlesNYC Guest

    Besides the Allegris flight, are you just paying cash for the remaining first and biz flights? How difficult is it to book awards using miles for these flights, that would be very informative.

  11. Tim Guest

    +1 For ANA A380 to HNL then HAL 787 to US.

    You say Kuwait A330-300, but think they only operate -200 (nitpicking).
    Also looks like it's more of a Regional First on the 330ceo; you'd get a fresher but simliar product on a 338neo flight, plus experience the rarity of a -800. The seem to operate a real a mix of aircraft on CAI-KWI, so a possibility?

  12. Wayne Y Guest

    Since you just recently reviewed JAL A35K First Class , why not do HND-JFK or HND-DFW on Business Class? It would be more or less a back to back comparison.

  13. Aaron Guest

    How did you book the TG flight? Points or cash?

  14. Frog Guest

    Ben, stop being so critical of LH. Compared to other big projects in Germany, such as the Berlin airport and the Stuttgart station, the Allegris launch is ahead of schedule and under budget.

  15. jcil Guest

    Imagine my surprise that an influential blogger was given an award seat on one of the first flights of a new business class product launch. Can't blame the airline though. They will get a lot of publicity for the cost of one seat on one flight.

    1. Ben Schlappig OMAAT

      @ jcil -- Yeah, no...

    2. jcil Guest

      Yeah, "made available" is probably a better wording than "given". I will give you that much.

    3. DT Guest

      Would be great to know if any of these airlines open up seats for you? It’s a fair an honest question- no agenda. So they make seats available for you - whether you ask or not? If they do, you should mark the review as promotion as others MMV and that is important . That said, you may not feel the need to hold journalistic standards - your call.

    4. Stefan Guest

      Nonsense. Anyone can book that, open your eyes. He didn't book the inaugural.

    5. InceptionCat Gold

      @jcil Wrong. There's award availability on Miles&More and that's how i booked my tickets to YYZ on Allegris. And i was even able to book the business Suite at time of booking. LH is keeping these for Senators/HON Circle. I'm not a blogger but a LH frequent flyer.

  16. Shiv Ganatra Guest

    @Ben
    Here is an itinerary I thought would be cool:
    https://shorturl.at/KOV56
    ANA A380 NRT-HNL
    Hawaiian 787 HNL-LAX
    United 777+737MAX8 LAX-ORD-MIA

    1. W Diamond

      + 1 to the ANA A380 to HNL, and then Hawaiian's new 787 to LAX!

      JAL's A350 is my personal first choice, but if that doesn't become available, the itinerary above is extremely solid. And then you can try out Delta's new A321neo first class from LAX to the East Coast (It's flown on a ton of different routes, but I know you could probably get it on LAX-MCO, and then connect to MIA on the same ticket).

    2. Shiv Ganatra Guest

      Thanks for the kind words!
      The reason I picked UA was because they have lie flat seats on their flight from LAX-ORD (777)

  17. alex Guest

    It would be great to get a flying honu review; there's generally more availability for that than mainland flights so you should be able to find something.

  18. STEFFL Diamond

    @Ben Got 2 ideas for you:
    Asiana, A330 & A380 NRT- LAX dirt cheap in Business Class, around 7.May
    OR
    Westjet 787 & 737 (sorry, got to suffer in those Military Planes from BOEING) ;-) NRT - ATL or MCO or FLL, ATL, cheapest in C AND . . . collect your Miles with AF/KL to get closer to your goal and Status!
    Just an idea. Servus aus MUC.

    1. pstm91 Diamond

      I just booked that exact Asiana outline but to JFK, and while I'd appreciate the timely review, I more or less know what to expect and kind of don't want to read a terrible review lol. Still, hard to beat $1,400 business class with a full ~20 hours in Seoul

  19. NS Member

    ANA A380 would be a great choice, and so the JAL A35K business would be. Or given that you seem(ed) like struggling over how to use Korean Air SkyPass miles, maybe flying KE business (after a long time) might not be that bad idea.

  20. Euro Gold

    For the flight back home to the US, didn't you say you wanted to try some of Delta's other products, like their A330? Do they fly that on any of their Tokyo routes or is it all A330neo/A350?

    1. eponymous coward Guest

      LOL, and pay 700k SkyPesos?

  21. GroeneMichel Gold

    Curious to know which will be the last remaining F you did not try yet?

  22. MaxPower Diamond

    For the return trip
    NH a380 to HNL
    HNL to PPT on HA then
    TN to the west coast from PPT

  23. MaxPower Diamond

    Ben
    I hope you book your delta first class trip in the bulkhead row so you get Delta’s full premium experience. ;)

  24. Donald P Guest

    which type of the crazy LH business class did you get ?

  25. Stuart Guest

    Can't wait for you to get to go into the Kuwait Airways Terminal 4 here in Kuwait.

  26. Junebug Guest

    You could fly to HNL then review the new 787 to LAX

  27. Ryan Guest

    Coming back from JP, I think Zipair might be something interesting to try. Certainly not the most comfortable way across the Pacific, but unique. Or maybe connect via MNL on Philippine Airlines

    1. InceptionCat Gold

      He reviewed Zipair a few weeks ago.

  28. Ethan Guest

    Fly through ICN and burn some of those Korean air miles!

  29. JJ Guest

    Ben in terms of flying back from Tokyo, check out flights on the A380s to Honolulu as availability is much more open than to mainland US. Then maybe Hawaiian's new 787? Or continue with the US' most premium airline and find a nice itinerary home with Delta one?

  30. not timdunn Guest

    how about this?
    ANA A380 NRT-HNL
    Hawaiian New J HNL-SFO
    United Polaris(they occasionally have their lie-flat polaris on this route)
    SFO-IAD

    1. not timdunn Guest

      UA flies their 777 on the SFO-IAD flight on their 8:15AM and 1:00PM flights

  31. Andrew Guest

    I am excited for you to fly Allegris so we can stop hearing about it as you are obsessed lol. Enjoy!

  32. KK13 Diamond

    Good choices! Will wait for your reviews, Ben.

  33. Maitreya New Member

    Fly from Tokyo to Taipei to LAX/SFO on Starlux. JAL A350 or the ANA A380 are good options. Fly the ANA A380 to Honolulu & fly Hawaiian's new 787.

    1. KK13 Diamond

      He already did, HND to JFK in 350-1000, and flew with Starlux.

  34. RichM Diamond

    What's the only remaining airline in the world with First Class that you haven't flown, Ben?

  35. Andy Guest

    In Cairo, you will be arriving at terminal 3 with Egyptair, and departing terminal 2 with Kuwait. While theoretically the two terminals are connected, it will be much easier to enter the country at terminal 3, just walk for a few meters, and check in again and leave the country through terminal 2. That way, there will not be any drama with connecting through Cairo. Passport control should not be very busy, and you just...

    In Cairo, you will be arriving at terminal 3 with Egyptair, and departing terminal 2 with Kuwait. While theoretically the two terminals are connected, it will be much easier to enter the country at terminal 3, just walk for a few meters, and check in again and leave the country through terminal 2. That way, there will not be any drama with connecting through Cairo. Passport control should not be very busy, and you just need to buy a visa on arrival from the bank stand (I think).

    Good luck

    1. JJ Guest

      Haha you must be new to the blog, Ben is no stranger to how "interesting" it is to connect through Cairo ;)

  36. DaBluBoi Guest

    What's award availability like for NRT-MEX on AM?

  37. Jacob Guest

    I was being sarcastic about Egypt Air. Oh boy.

  38. MUCSEA New Member

    Oh, and it is time to review the Senator Cafe at MUC. You would have to fly Star Alliance out of Munich though.

  39. Michael Guest

    If you overnight in Munich, you could review the Sofitel.

  40. Jules0760 New Member

    Ben will only fly if he gets it for virtually nothing.Do you muppets not realise this.

  41. Vito Guest

    Well, since you’re asking, I always prefer when you fly F. That’s when I feel you’re the “Luckiest”… lol So, by all means, please do fly Kuwait’s first class, and all the other missing first classes out there!

  42. Vancouver - Char Diamond

    Air Algérie or Starluxe or, as fellow commentators have noticed, Air India would all be interesting - please let me know if you pass through Vancouver if time permits

  43. Vibhav Kishore Guest

    Hi
    I am Flying next Week Lufthansa A350-900 Business Class from BLR to Munich..
    Very First time I am taking A350-900 pl comment how is the comfort for this 9hrs 15mnts flites always flew in A380’s & 787’s Dreamliners Business ..ThnX in Advance

    1. Weymar Osborne Diamond

      Should be just about equal to the others in terms of comfort. Lower pressurization, quieter, large windows, etc (although for Lufthansa specifically unfortunately their business class seats aren't great). Definitely better than a 777 or A330 though, purely in terms of cabin atmosphere

  44. JN Guest

    Everyone's suggesting Ben to fly Air India A350. Dear Indians, I understand that you people may be excited about the experience, but they're just flying ex-Aeroflot A350 which he've already reviewed on Turkish Airlines. So he may not feel a need to try that out, although I do wonder how would the soft product differ, given that it's been a really long time since he tried AI business class. If Ben wants to try an...

    Everyone's suggesting Ben to fly Air India A350. Dear Indians, I understand that you people may be excited about the experience, but they're just flying ex-Aeroflot A350 which he've already reviewed on Turkish Airlines. So he may not feel a need to try that out, although I do wonder how would the soft product differ, given that it's been a really long time since he tried AI business class. If Ben wants to try an Indian airline anytime soon, I think he might wanna prioritise on Vistara, given that he've never flown on them and they're to disappear at some point, not so far away.

    But IMO, trying KU and TG first class would be the best case scenario.

    (I wouldn't call someone a "kid" just because one suggets Ben what to try, btw - though they shouldn't cross the line)

    1. DCharlie Guest

      Agreed. Wait until Air India receive the A350s with their bespoke interior with the Safran Unity product before a review.

    2. KK13 Diamond

      No, they are behaving like bunch of kids.

    3. JN Guest

      @KK13 I've seen your other comments, and I just wanna suggest you to seek for help.

  45. Roberto Guest

    Allegris business class review is out
    https://simpleflying.com/lufthansa-airbus-a35-allegris-business-class-flight-review/

    Common Lucky, show them wat you got and you can tr(i)umph that review!

    Looking much forward to your indept analysis

  46. William Beyatte Guest

    Fly IcelandAir back.
    I'm wondering if the upgrade is worth it.

  47. Likes-to-fly Member

    What about Qantas? I don`t remember reading anything about them recently. Last year I was quite surprised by the quality of short haul business class within Australia, never tried them long haul though.

  48. Max Choin Guest

    YVR-MUC -LH
    MUC-ZUR - Swiss
    ZUR-DXB - Beond
    DXB-DEL - Air India A350?
    DEL-EWR - United Polaris

    1. Benjamin Saint Parle Guest

      Seems like a good itinerary!

    2. KK13 Diamond

      DXB-DEL - Air India A350
      DEL-EWR - United Polaris

      Really? This is what you can best come up with? I would rather swim on the seven seas and oceans to return to US.

    3. not timdunn Guest

      R U OK? It is not that deep. U don't have to hate on their itinerary

  49. Shiv Ganatra Guest

    What about YVR-MUC(LH)-ZUR(Swiss)-DXB(BEOND)-DEL(AirIndiaA350)-TPE(Evaair)-SEA(starlux)

  50. CG Guest

    Norse, Play, Air Transat or Condor!

  51. Dolphin Guest

    I love the Boliviana idea others suggested: MAD-VVI-MIA (not sure you can buy it as a single ticket)

  52. Eskimo Guest

    I vote for LH doing a swap.
    Surprise!

  53. Nate Dyer Guest

    Don't get the fish!

  54. JustinDev Member

    "...I mean, I think it’s fair to say that this is one of the most anticipated business class products in history."

    That would only be fair to say if you are being sarcastic.

  55. Jordan Diamond

    Oh, you've already decided. C'mon now

    This should be more of, "What do you think I booked"... and why? There you go ;-)

  56. Samo Guest

    I'd definitely love to see RJ review. It's an airline that's very useful for many of your readers since it's close to Europe but one that is often overlooked by bloggers. I flew them in economy many years ago and it was a pleasant airport apart from the airport which I believe was renovated (or replaced?) since.

    As for Allegris... Good luck :)

  57. Jacob Guest

    These comments are stupid. Fly this. Fly that. Fly Aeroflot. Yay.

    1. KK13 Diamond

      Seriously! Bunch of kids

  58. Hugo Guest

    Try the "fantastic" business class of TK for 7+ flights to/from Africa operated by a Max. Would be great to have a proper review of their business class product that is not limited to the ones we already know are good.

  59. Th_D Guest

    Just come back from Japan with LH743. We are a family of 5 and actual business class seems much more convenient. We had a really good flight. The new one is okay if you fly alone.

  60. Morgan Diamond

    I vote you go to Cairo and fly some (if not all?) of the first class products you haven't yet reviewed.

  61. CSK Guest

    Fly Cairo - Manila on Kuwait Airways first class.

    Fly Manila - Chiang Mai on China Airlines regional business class (A321neo full flat seats).
    https://www.china-airlines.com/us/en/fly/on-board/fleet/cabin_introduction/premium-business-class
    You have already reviewed China Airlines regional business class on A330.

    Fly Chiang Mai - Seattle on Asiana business class (pretty decent fares of $1800-$2000 one way). You will get to fly A350 (ICN-SEA).
    You have already reviewed Asiana A380 first and business class.

    This will also...

    Fly Cairo - Manila on Kuwait Airways first class.

    Fly Manila - Chiang Mai on China Airlines regional business class (A321neo full flat seats).
    https://www.china-airlines.com/us/en/fly/on-board/fleet/cabin_introduction/premium-business-class
    You have already reviewed China Airlines regional business class on A330.

    Fly Chiang Mai - Seattle on Asiana business class (pretty decent fares of $1800-$2000 one way). You will get to fly A350 (ICN-SEA).
    You have already reviewed Asiana A380 first and business class.

    This will also help you to compare Asiana's A350 to others in the region (STARLUX, China Airlines, Singapore Airlines, JAL and Philippine Airlines A350s).

  62. Jacob Guest

    I’d wait for the new Airbus 350’s to come in before flying Air Algerie but that’s just me.

  63. Kent Guest

    More likely you “may be flying Lufthansa’s Allegris product soon” given Lufthansa’s dismal history in introducing this product and their recent union problems at a time when the German economy is stagnant.

  64. Maitreya New Member

    Starlux or Garuda Indonesia First Class will be the best. Fly Garuda to Jakarta from Amsterdam. Take any flight from Jakarta to Taipei & fly Starlux to LAX or SFO.

    1. yoloswag420 Guest

      He won't. There's basically no way to book Starlux F with Alaska miles, which are basically the only partner miles to book JX.

      The closest he'll get will probably be Starlux F on SIN or NRT routes with reasonable cash fares

  65. Taxi Guest

    Air Algerie or Beond Airlines are the winners for me - the former because it's niche and cool, the latter because it won't exist in a year so it's worth trying it before then

  66. cbchicago Guest

    Why not fly BA to keep your Gold?

  67. InceptionCat Gold

    Availability to and from Toronto is much much better than Vancouver.

  68. yjchua Member

    I'd say you should probably try Kuwait's F product to BKK, and then use a Oneworld program to find J award availability to connect via NRT/HND and take JL's new J product back to the US.

    Or, you could redeem an Aeroplan award for BKK-SIN-LAX/EWR/JFK on TG/SQ. That would probably mean nothing much to review, but it's good value.

  69. Ben Guest

    I’d love to see a review of a newer air India cabin.

    1. KK13 Diamond

      That's not NEW; they're leased DL 350-900 aircraft.
      Besides, who wants to fly by AI if they can afford to travel by the top 20 airlines?

    2. Sarthak Guest

      Incorrect - AI A350-900s are new. They got the 777-200s from DL.

    3. KK13 Diamond

      Incorrect - the new A350-900s that they got in Dec 2023 fly only in domestic routes as of now.

      For international routes, they are still flying SU and DL 359s and 77Ws, because people see the stripped off logos on the seats.

    4. AGM Guest

      Certain US flights to DEL and BOM use the ex-DL 777-200LRs. The domestic A359s are being re-allocated for international use (first market being Dubai) in the coming weeks. As additional A359s are delivered, these will be sent to additional markets.

    5. Sarthak Guest

      Yep @AGM - I meant to call out the wrong information above that there is no ex-DL A359 in AI's inventory.

  70. James Guest

    You could do BeOnd to Dubai, then Air India's new A350 to Delhi and then after a domestic flight to Hyderabad fly Air India again to San Francisco on an Ex-Delta B77L with the Delta One seat (Which Tim Dunn will happily tell us why it is the best US business class seat and Delta is the best US airline). This would be an interesting itinerary with you reviewing the new products of BeOnd and...

    You could do BeOnd to Dubai, then Air India's new A350 to Delhi and then after a domestic flight to Hyderabad fly Air India again to San Francisco on an Ex-Delta B77L with the Delta One seat (Which Tim Dunn will happily tell us why it is the best US business class seat and Delta is the best US airline). This would be an interesting itinerary with you reviewing the new products of BeOnd and AI A350, an Indian domestic flight which I cannot think of a time you would have taken one, and finishing off with one of the longest flights in the world, which can travel east or west depending on wind. That would be my suggestion Ben!

    Sorry for bad English, it is not my first language.

    James

  71. hanchicago New Member

    Kuwait Airways F, Thai Airways F, and/or Starlux F, please. :)

  72. Observer Guest

    While it’s been a few years since I flew LH first I would bet any money that seat will only be comfortable laying down on the back with your arms stretched down.
    When I flew them a couple of tiles there was a bar right at the position of your knees and the only way not to hurt yourself was to have it under your knees sleeping on your back. Maybe not a problem...

    While it’s been a few years since I flew LH first I would bet any money that seat will only be comfortable laying down on the back with your arms stretched down.
    When I flew them a couple of tiles there was a bar right at the position of your knees and the only way not to hurt yourself was to have it under your knees sleeping on your back. Maybe not a problem a German - but certainly a problem for anyone who wanted to stretch.
    Out of real 33 First products tried - a dead last tie with American (FA pours champagne over her finger). Can’t remember anyone smiling ever.

  73. Ankit Vaghela Guest

    If you decide the third option to fly to Dubai, I’d suggest trying Dubai-Delhi on Air India’s brand new A350-900. From Delhi, you have many options for your Indian audience. I’m not sure if you have reviewed any Indian domestic Airline like the new entrant Akasa Air. From Delhi, you can try the new Boeing 737 Amd 8 on either Akasa Air or Air India Express. And then from Mumbai, you can review Air India...

    If you decide the third option to fly to Dubai, I’d suggest trying Dubai-Delhi on Air India’s brand new A350-900. From Delhi, you have many options for your Indian audience. I’m not sure if you have reviewed any Indian domestic Airline like the new entrant Akasa Air. From Delhi, you can try the new Boeing 737 Amd 8 on either Akasa Air or Air India Express. And then from Mumbai, you can review Air India directly to the United States, or choose Turkish Airlines/Indigo B777 to Türkiye. And then onward to the USA.

    Otherwise, India will give you a flexibility to fly to the USA in Singapore Air: A380 either from Delhi or Mumbai to SIN. And from SIN to any American city, May be on another A380, or on A350-900ULR to the west coast. There are so many options if you route it through India.

    1. KK13 Diamond

      Akash? Indigo/ Turkiye? Is this a joke??
      Worst suggestions ever, except for the SIA, which also flies from many other Indian cities.

    2. Shiv Ganatra Guest

      why r u hating on him. ur acting like an actual a*shole

  74. Mapoosi Ann Makrak Guest

    Lufthansa already has the most brilliant first and business class seats in the world. Years ahead of the competition! By the time Allegris is installed on all planes in 2035, the others will never been able to keep up.

    1. Ben Holz Guest

      Most sane LH fanboy (obviously saw the sarcasm lol)

  75. yoloswag420 Guest

    Yawn. Allegris is boring. There's no hype around it at all.

    Sure it's a big advancement for LH's hard product, but compared to the overall industry that just shows you how far behind LH was lagging.

    LH's lounges, food, and service are all mid as well.

    1. DCAWABN Guest

      Agreed. But there's no hype around it because it's an objectively subpar product. It's better than what LH has now, for sure, but it's not even close to many, many other airlines' J offering. Hell, it wasn't even remotely cutting edge when it was announced 7 years ago. I'm looking forward to the review because it'll be one of two things:

      1. Rational and honest about how mid-to-boring it truly is and how it's barely...

      Agreed. But there's no hype around it because it's an objectively subpar product. It's better than what LH has now, for sure, but it's not even close to many, many other airlines' J offering. Hell, it wasn't even remotely cutting edge when it was announced 7 years ago. I'm looking forward to the review because it'll be one of two things:

      1. Rational and honest about how mid-to-boring it truly is and how it's barely worthy of a footnote in any sort of history of J products, or
      2. Milquetoast because of previous LH product review circlejerks due to halo effect from LH F and the tendency to avoid actual criticism of LH's leadership team and this laughable product

  76. Ken Guest

    Can you do jal a350 business class review? We all got that the first class is amazing but really hard to get these days but I am not sure if I should divert my route to try jal new business. From the book, it looks ok but not up to ana business on 777

  77. Joseph Guest

    Personally, I’d love to read your Kuwait Airways first class and then Garuda Indonesia first class or Thai Airways first class trip reports. I’ve been considering booking CGK-AMS Garuda F award via FB, but I’m concerned the experience has really gone down from what I’ve read here and there.

  78. Chris Guest

    Its been a while since we've gotten a Delta One or Polaris review. You could also fly B6 from paris or london or amsterdam.

    1. yoloswag420 Guest

      It's probably too early since he's flying soon, but I would've been interested in seeing the upgraded D1 lounges at BOS/LAX/JFK.

      Otherwise, Delta One and Polaris have had plenty of reviews and coverage. Their product has basically been the same for the last 5 to 6 years, so nothing else of relevance.

  79. Blake Pickering Guest

    I would like to see ZRH-Dubai on Beond!

  80. Daniel T Guest

    A review of Garuda First would be amazing! Decent availability on Flying Blue for AMS-CGK and you get access to the VIP Service at AMS flying Garuda F, which should be a good experience and makes for an interesting review (private terminal, car transfers to plane, good food and drinks).

  81. Lee Guest

    Hope that some LH labor group doesn't go on strike an hour prior to boarding. I'll pray the Rosary for you, Ben.

  82. Vec Guest

    A Luftansa 747. You could compare the two trips

  83. grichard Guest

    Anything you can do coming back via South America? Your reviews don't usually touch North/South routings much. I imagine award space is poor, but I'd love to see more.

  84. JB Guest

    I think you should try out Air Algerie for the return from this trip. You could fly Beond Airlines from Zurich to Dubai, and then make your way to Cairo for the Air Alergie flights.

    In the future, you could do a review trip with the following:
    - Iberia's new A350 Business Class (with doors) from North America to Europe
    - ITA Airways A321neo Business Class from Europe to Cairo
    - Cairo...

    I think you should try out Air Algerie for the return from this trip. You could fly Beond Airlines from Zurich to Dubai, and then make your way to Cairo for the Air Alergie flights.

    In the future, you could do a review trip with the following:
    - Iberia's new A350 Business Class (with doors) from North America to Europe
    - ITA Airways A321neo Business Class from Europe to Cairo
    - Cairo to Bangkok on Kuwait Airways (they fly the A330-800neo to CAI, so you could knock out a review of both their A338 J and 77W F in one go).
    - South East Asia to Europe on Air India/Vistara (maybe try out their 777s from EY/DL, or their A350 to DXB, and then Beyond from Dubai to Zurich).
    - Europe back to North America in Icelandair Business Class (or Delta One or Polaris).

  85. Mick Guest

    I vote for Kuwait airways first class please :)

    I’d also be interested in a vistara/air India combo as I’m flying that myself from syd to Frankfurt via Delhi in June.

    1. Manny Guest

      If you are on B788s than you will experience the old hard product. Although when there is no one next to you that hard product is more preferable to angled lie flat with foot coffin. They are going to refurbish those, but that exercise has not started.

      The soft product I experienced was world class. The service was exceptional. Things the new management on Air India that has already fixed.

    2. Mick Guest

      Thanks manny! I’m on the old plane and hoping for no seat mate but I do love the old school huge footwell. Then I’m on vistara the next day. Pretty cool to combine both of them on one aero plan award.

  86. John Guest

    Iceland Air gets my vote. Not a great hard product, but flights from the east coast are short, the lounge at KEF is good, and the new Alaska award pricing is attractive.

    In terms of what readers are most likely to actually book, it's up there.

    1. echino Diamond

      I've never seen a single Icelandair business class seat available for Alaska miles under new pricing. Was looking only at YVR-KEF route, but I suspect it's the same zero availability across all routes.

    2. Carole Guest

      I’d like to see Icelandic air also

    3. Carole Guest

      I’d like to see Icelandic air also

    4. yoloswag420 Guest

      I don't know why anyone would burn AS miles for Iceland Air though. The cash fares are insanely low, the opportunity cost just isn't there, when you could fly valuable OW partners in premium cabins that cost much more than Iceland Air.

  87. Fly Guest

    I like the Algeria plan. They also have reasonable fares in Tunis market it seems.

  88. JetAway Guest

    Please review meal types and choices on your flights other than fish, vegetarian and avocado toast. Even if you don't eat the main course a photo and description would be helpful to readers who don't share your food preferences. After all, these are business trips and not personal journeys. (BTW-I don't eat pork either. I saw "Babe").

  89. Yan Guest

    Did you book your Allegris flight through Aéroplan?

  90. caelus678 Member

    Air India new biz class!!!!! (^_^)

    1. Alan Smithee Guest

      INDIA SUPERPOWER BY 2030!!!!!!

    2. Mark Christopher Guest

      Ha ha ha ha ha ha.

    3. KK13 Diamond

      LOL... in 2029 we will hear "INDIA SUPERPOWER by 2047"!

    4. Sarthak Guest

      Are you missing one K in your nickname?

  91. Unhoeflich Diamond

    Air Algerie please. I flew them domestic last year in economy and they were good. Allow plenty of time to depart Algiers though. The airport is a cluster, even in biz. I think it took me 2.5 hours curb to gate and there were no priority lines.

  92. Nick Guest

    What about:
    MUC-LIS on LH or TP
    LIS-VCP on Azul
    GRU-VVI-MIA on BoA

    1. InceptionCat Gold

      And Tap flies the A321LR with fully flat beds on some MUC-LIS flights.

  93. julian zentner Guest

    Please can you explain to me how you are able to fly First and business class with most airlines when in the main you have never paid full price for a ticket and are just a person who reviews products and accrue millions of air miles which you should not really be entitled too.Just sounds like you and your partner and family are conning the rest of the world.

    1. Chris Guest

      What a bizarre comment. Why isn’t he entitled to the miles?

    2. Sir Digby Chicken Caesar Guest

      Tell us you’re new here without telling us you’re new here

    3. DH Guest

      Tell us you're an assh*le without telling us you're an assh*le.

    4. dweins Member

      Good for Ben for doing so. We should all learn how to get the most for our miles and cash. Ben made a career doing what we all do for liesure. More power to him.

    5. Rob Guest

      If I don't have a friend to give me a referral, I'll go through Ben's link. I'm sure he makes a mint off readers. Don't hate the player.

    6. Joey Cola Guest

      Hmmn. I think you feel conned that's maybe more about you, Julian. Also, are you not aware of the dozens of similar blogs to this (Ben's is superior, btw), that are essentially built on the same principle?

      Shame on YOU, sir, for being so arrogant, ignorant and all the -ants that make the internet such a periodically loathsome place. Also... GTFO.

    7. Jules0760 New Member

      I have worked in Corporate travel for over 40 years and never had anything for free and know exactly what I am talking about.Just a con artist like so many of these sites.

    8. DenB Diamond

      He explains it all the time. What you should do is ask one polite question in one sentence and watch this space for Ben's reply. He won't reply to what you wrote so far, but he does respond to readers. Good luck. I disagree with your assessment because I know it's bs, but I respect your right to believe nonsense and try to persuade others, in this forum Ben provides for you, for free.

  94. Jacob Guest

    Fly EgyptAir and tell us all what a great experience it is. ;)

  95. W Diamond

    @Ben - If you fly from Europe to Cairo, try to fly that routing on ITA Airways! They are flying their new A321neo with their lie flat Business Class to Cairo now (as well as on certain routes within Europe from FCO). And, they have amazing cash fares last time I checked. Business Class from Paris to Cairo was only $100-$150 more than economy, and ITA was flying their A321neo to CDG as well! From...

    @Ben - If you fly from Europe to Cairo, try to fly that routing on ITA Airways! They are flying their new A321neo with their lie flat Business Class to Cairo now (as well as on certain routes within Europe from FCO). And, they have amazing cash fares last time I checked. Business Class from Paris to Cairo was only $100-$150 more than economy, and ITA was flying their A321neo to CDG as well! From Munich, you could probably try out ITA's A320neo, and see their new intra-Europe cabins.

    From Cairo, I vote for Air Algerie, or Kuwait Airlines First Class. But if your priority is coming home quickly, I think Air Algerie works perfectly. And spend a couple of nights at the St. Regis Cairo!

    1. W Diamond

      You could also fly Kuwait Airways First Class from Cairo to South East Asia, and then fly Air India/Vistara back to Cairo via India. Then, fly Air Algerie back to North America.

      Or, you could replace the Air India segments with a review of Qatar's J or F on one of their leased planes from Cathay Pacific (such as HKG-DOH-CAI). I think you may have already flown their 777 F, so maybe try out their...

      You could also fly Kuwait Airways First Class from Cairo to South East Asia, and then fly Air India/Vistara back to Cairo via India. Then, fly Air Algerie back to North America.

      Or, you could replace the Air India segments with a review of Qatar's J or F on one of their leased planes from Cathay Pacific (such as HKG-DOH-CAI). I think you may have already flown their 777 F, so maybe try out their 777 J product. Or see if you can book a ticket on one of their ex-Virgin Australia 777s.

  96. Nik Guest

    No idea if this is feasible for this trip but would love to see you review Vistara, Ben!

  97. Ted Guest

    Would love to see a post covid review of United or Delta international business class. That would be very useful to us readers given that they are based in the US

  98. Flying_Foxy Guest

    Ok. DMY. M&M availability has actually been surprisingly good. Eastbound less exciting than westbound, but you go with your bad self hun.

    Anyway, I’ve been in the seat, and I’m significantly more critical of LH C than you are (so you can tell how horrified I aM BY LH C in general, and I’m HON), and I think the seat is actually fantastic. So if that gives you some hope, which it should, then enjoy.

  99. Ben Holz Guest

    I'm curious, have you given UX's 789 a try? I think they deploy them to MIA, so that'd be pretty convenient if you have to be back quickly after the Allegris flight.

    Otherwise, I'm all for Air Algerie! The airport has a Hyatt Regency also, so that may be an additional incentive.

    1. Jang Guest

      Fly to Luxembourg on Luxair

  100. 23H Guest

    Which fascinates you most? This seat or the St Regis Cairo? ;)

  101. Tony Guest

    How about reviewing Air India J and / or F?

    1. KK13 Diamond

      There are enough reviews on YT - still crappy service and delays.

  102. Timtamtrak Diamond

    I’d be a fan of the Kuwait Airways plan, but Air Algerie has a certain appeal to it too… hmmm.

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Hope that some LH labor group doesn't go on strike an hour prior to boarding. I'll pray the Rosary for you, Ben.

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