TSA Data: US Passes 350K Daily Air Travelers

Filed Under: Security/TSA, Travel

We know that demand for air travel has plummeted, as we’ve seen airlines cut capacity unlike ever before. For the past several weeks I’ve been keeping an eye on passenger numbers, as it’s interesting to see how demand is evolving.

For better or worse, we keep hitting new pandemic records in terms of the number of travelers.

Yesterday was a record-setting day when it comes to people traveling in the US. For the first day since late March:

  • There were more than 350K daily air travelers
  • We “only” saw an 86.2% drop in passenger traffic compared to the same day last year

TSA data on how many people are flying

How has traffic through US airports changed over the past several weeks? Well, rather helpfully the Transportation Security Administration (TSA) has been publishing data on how many passengers have passed through US airport checkpoints each day, with a comparison to how many traveled on the same day of the week last year.

It’s interesting to take an updated look at this data, to note the changes we’re seeing. In particular, in the past couple of weeks we’ve seen a new (recent) record in terms of traffic.

Below I’ll share passenger data for the past several weeks. Note that:

  • The comparison is to the same day of the week last year (since passenger demand is highly dependent on the day of the week)
  • I’ll show a percentage in parenthesis with each date, representing the percent of people traveling this year compared to last year (for example, if it shows 5%, that means that 5% as many people are traveling this year compared to last year, so there has been a 95% decline)

Here’s the data on passenger in recent weeks:

  • Sunday, March 22: 454,516 vs. 2,542,643 (~17.9%)
  • Monday, March 23: 331,431 vs. 2,434,370 (~13.6%)
  • Tuesday, March 24: 279,018 vs. 2,151,913 (~13%)
  • Wednesday, March 25: 239,234 vs. 2,273,811 (~10.5%)
  • Friday, March 27: 199,644 vs. 2,538,384 (~7.9%)
  • Saturday, March 28: 184,027 vs. 2,172,920 (~8.5%)
  • Sunday, March 29: 180,002 vs. 2,510,294 (~7.2%)
  • Monday, March 30: 154,080 vs. 2,360,053 (~6.5%)
  • Tuesday, March 31: 146,348 vs. 2,026,256 (~7.2%)
  • Wednesday, April 1: 136,023 vs. 2,151,626 (~6.3%)
  • Thursday, April 2: 124,021 vs. 2,411,500 (~5.1%)
  • Friday, April 3: 129,763 vs. 2,476,884 (~5.2%)
  • Saturday, April 4: 118,302 vs. 2,011,715 (~5.9%)
  • Sunday, April 5: 122,029 vs. 2,462,929 (~4.9%)
  • Monday, April 6: 108,310 vs. 2,384,091 (~4.5%)
  • Tuesday, April 7: 97,130 vs. 2,091,056 (~4.6%)
  • Wednesday, April 8: 94,931 vs. 2,229,276 (~4.3%)
  • Thursday, April 9: 104,090 vs. 2,487,398 (~4.2%)
  • Friday, April 10: 108,977 vs. 2,590,499 (~4.2%)
  • Saturday, April 11: 93,645 vs. 2,059,142 (~4.5%)
  • Sunday, April 12: 90,510 vs. 2,446,801 (~3.7%)
  • Monday, April 13: 102,184 vs. 2,484,580 (~4.1%)
  • Tuesday, April 14: 87,534 vs. 2,208,688 (~4.0%)
  • Wednesday, April 15: 90,784 vs. 2,317,381 (~3.9%)
  • Thursday, April 16: 95,085 vs. 2,616,158 (~3.6%)
  • Friday, April 17: 106,385 vs. 2,457,133 (~4.3%)
  • Saturday, April 18: 97,236 vs. 1,988,205 (~4.9%)
  • Sunday, April 19: 105,382 vs. 2,356,802 (~4.5%)
  • Monday, April 20: 99,344 vs. 2,594,171 (~3.8%)
  • Tuesday, April 21: 92,859 vs. 2,227,475 (~4.2%)
  • Wednesday, April 22: 98,968 vs. 2,254,209 (~4.4%)
  • Thursday, April 23: 111,627 vs. 2,526,961 (~4.4%)
  • Friday, April 24: 123,464 vs. 2,521,897 (~4.9%)
  • Saturday, April 25: 114,459 vs. 1,990,464 (~5.8%)
  • Sunday, April 26: 128,875 vs. 2,506,809 (~5.1%)
  • Monday, April 27: 119,854 vs. 2,412,770 (~5.0%)
  • Tuesday, April 28: 110,913 vs. 2,102,068 (~5.3%)
  • Wednesday, April 29: 119,629 vs. 2,256,442 (~5.3%)
  • Thursday, April 30: 154,695 vs. 2,499,461 (~6.2%)
  • Friday, May 1: 171,563 vs. 2,546,029 (~6.7%)
  • Saturday, May 2: 134,261 vs. 1,968,278 (~6.8%)
  • Sunday, May 3: 170,254 vs. 2,512,598 (~6.8%)
  • Monday, May 4: 163,692 vs. 2,470,969 (~6.6%)
  • Tuesday, May 5: 130,601 vs. 2,106,597 (~6.2%)
  • Wednesday, May 6: 140,409 vs. 2,270,662 (~6.2%)
  • Thursday, May 7: 190,863 vs. 2,555,342 (~7.5%)
  • Friday, May 8: 215,444 vs. 2,602,631 (~8.3%)
  • Saturday, May 9: 169,580 vs. 1,985,942 (~8.5%)
  • Sunday, May 10: 200,815 vs. 2,419,114 (~8.3%)
  • Monday, May 11: 215,645 vs. 2,512,315 (~8.6%)
  • Tuesday, May 12: 163,205 vs. 2,191,387 (~7.5%)
  • Wednesday, May 13: 176,667 vs. 2,343,675 (~7.5%)
  • Thursday, May 14: 234,928 vs. 2,611,324 (~9.0%)
  • Friday, May 15: 250,467 vs. 2,664,549 (~9.4%)
  • Saturday, May 16: 193,340 vs. 2,091,116 (~9.2%)
  • Sunday, May 17: 253,807 vs. 2,620,276 (~9.7%)
  • Monday, May 18: 244,176 vs. 2,615,691 (~9.3%)
  • Tuesday, May 19: 190,477 vs. 2,312,727 (~8.2%)
  • Wednesday, May 20: 230,367 vs. 2,472,123 (~9.3%)
  • Thursday, May 21: 318,449 vs. 2,673,635 (~12.0%)
  • Friday, May 22: 348,673 vs. 2,792,670 (~12.5%)
  • Saturday, May 23: 253,190 vs. 2,124,825 (~11.9%)
  • Sunday, May 24: 267,451 vs. 2,070,716 (~12.9%)
  • Monday, May 25: 340,769 vs. 2,512,237 (~13.6%)
  • Tuesday, May 26: 264,843 vs. 2,453,649 (~10.8%)
  • Wednesday, May 27: 261,170 vs. 2,269,035 (~11.5%)
  • Thursday, May 28: 321,776 vs. 2,485,770 (~12.9%)
  • Friday, May 29: 327,133 vs. 2,570,613 (~12.7%)
  • Saturday, May 30: 268,867 vs. 2,117,180 (~12.7%)
  • Sunday, May 31: 352,947 vs. 2,555,578 (~13.8%)

It’s probably worth clarifying that the above doesn’t paint the full picture of people traveling, since this only accounts for people being screened at US airports. For example, it doesn’t account for those arriving in the US from other countries and not connecting onwards.

Is demand for air travel slowly recovering?

While we’re nowhere close to pre-COVID-19 traffic levels, demand for air travel is slowly and pretty consistently increasing in the US.

A few observations based on the above data:

  • The past several weeks represents new record lows for traffic in over a decade
  • Tuesday, April 14, 2020, represented a new low for passenger traffic, with under 88,000 passengers; seeing the dip below 100,000 daily passengers is something I never thought I’d see
  • Demand fell significantly between between March 22 and April 12, even though in theory people were already social distancing and sheltering in place; for example, passenger numbers compared to last year decreased from an 82.1% drop to a 96.3% drop
  • Airline CEOs are largely claiming that demand bottomed out in early April, and the data seems to support that

Expect flights to be full

Airlines are doing things to make flying safer, or at least make it appear that flying is safer — from requiring face masks, to often misleadingly promoting social distancing — though many would argue that it’s still not responsible to fly for fun.

One common misconception continues to be that planes are flying empty given how much demand has dropped. This simply isn’t the case, so if you are planning on flying in the coming weeks expect planes to be full.

While demand has dropped significantly, airlines have also cut capacity by 80%+, so I’d expect flights to be increasingly full. You’ve been warned.

Bottom line

The demand for air travel has dropped significantly, which is expected. Demand is slowly but consistently starting to increase, though it’ll be a long time until we’re back to 2019 levels.

Yesterday we saw over 350K air travelers in the US, which is a pretty significant threshold. Not only that, but we also saw the smallest percentage drop compared to the same day last year.

I’d guess that we’ll likely hit 500K daily travelers by July 4, if not earlier.

Does this TSA data surprise you?

Comments
  1. “Tuesday, April 7: 97,130 vs. 2,091,056 (~4.6%)”
    Um, this is not a 4.6% drop, its a 95.4% drop.

  2. This doesnt really surprise me, given all the pictures we have seen of parked airplanes – but seeing actual numbers is a stark reminder of just how huge this is. It *is* heartening to know people are taking this seriously, since we all know if demand was there, airlines would be flying.

  3. Does passing through TSA checkpoints include employees at the airport who need to go through? If so, wouldn’t adding all of those around the country be a significant portion of those numbers? If it does include those, then the actual passenger numbers are quite a bit lower..

  4. Found this part of your prospective to be a bit confusing:

    “I find this data to be fascinating, and in particular it’s interesting to see that traffic continues to decline significantly. Traffic at this point has more or less halved compared to a week ago.

    Given all the shelter in place orders we’ve seen, I’m kind of surprised that traffic continues to decrease this much, but in light of the situation it does make me happy to see that. People are staying home, and that’s good.”

    Did you mean that given all the shelter in place orders, you are “NOT” surprised that traffic continues to decrease this much? Bcuz this data doesn’t surprise me at all. If anything, I am surprised that this many people are still flying, period.

  5. @ Drew — I noted the percentage of traffic this year compared to last year, not the drop. As I said in the post: “Behind each comparison I’ll share the percentage of passengers at checkpoints this year compared to last year.”

  6. @ Mr. Obvious — Sorry if it wasn’t clear. My point is that I feel like we’ve been on lockdown for several weeks now, with shelter in place orders in many places for more than a week. So I feel like not that much should be changing from last week compared to this week. But will update the post to make that clearer.

  7. My (gut, non-scientific) sense is that it took a bit of time for people to get settled in their place of social distance and come to rest there. What will be interesting to watch is when “essential” travel begins to creep up as people look around and see things bottoming out or getting better. Thanks for the information Lucky.

  8. @Gerry people still fly. Doctors nurses Emergencies repatriations with connections
    If you have family in Hawaii and lived in New York and had to get there urgently what would you do if there was a flight ?

  9. These counts also include airline crew and airport workers or employees who use TSA checkpoints, so the passenger numbers are even less in reality.

  10. @ surfer — It’s the traffic this year divided by the traffic last year. The percentages listed mean “this year there were x% as many people flying as the same day last year.” What isn’t making sense?

  11. @ JG — Because for those dates she listed the number of travelers this year, but didn’t share how many people traveled on those days last year.

  12. @ Lucky

    I get what your saying that 4.6% of people are traveling compared to last year. But really it makes more sense to say that there is 95.4% decline in travel compared to last year. Same comment at @drew

  13. And yet planes are still flying. Monitoring a flight I have a ticket on, DCA-EYW, and it been going for a few days. I just can’t believe that they’re sending more or less empty planes, especially if only 100k passengers are going through security a day. Seems senseless waste of money by the airlines, spending what they don’t have.

  14. @John Wow! CNN’s ratings must have taken a 94.999% hit now that 95% fewer people stopped going to the airports where they were forced to watch them.

  15. I am not one of the 97,000. I need to travel. I want to travel. I like (to some extent) flying on a flight. I will not because it is a risk to me and a risk to others. Someone may give me the Covid-19 illness which I pass on to someone else.

  16. @ surfer, what makes more sense to you does not mean it makes more sense for everybody. Why can you not tolerate?

  17. @surfer – one isn’t more correct than the other. But generally people don’t speak or think of “ only 4.6% of people are flying compared to last year”. That’s why it sounds odd. I agree most would say there has been a 95.4% decrease in travel as compared to last year.

    @Amos – to each his own. I feel that way about Fox News. I only ever see it when I am forced to sit by a tv with it on when traveling.

  18. As above, would be interesting to know the baseline here, which is the number of essential airport employees, gate crews and flight crews, which are likely some significant portion of the 100K. All those folks are not actually travelling either, they’re just working to keep near-empty flghts in the air per the bailout terms.

  19. @Shawn/@Amos- I think you both just highlighted what is wrong. Back in the day, news was reported and there was a small time slot for opinion pieces. The news was fact without hyperbole nor parsed by worldview. You could literally watch any one of 4-5 stations and the news would be almost exactly alike, it was the 3-4 minutes of the opinion piece that differentiated the stations.

    Today, everything is slanted towards a particular view and nothing is fact. We’ve even moved from the reporting of the news to creation of news/influencing the news by the very reporters/stations themselves.

    I personally think this is why we have such divide in this country. We are no longer exposed to the other sides coherent explanation of their opinion. We watch our favorite channel and are forced fed our news with our desire slant and no longer have the ability to logically listen and understand the opposite position…or heaven forbid…accept where they might be right!

    The media creates divide and points of contention because that drives viewers which pushes up view stats which increase ratings which increase advertising costs which increase news personality salaries. So, whether Foxnews or CNN, you are the same…..

  20. The drop percentage (95.4%)
    PLUS
    The percentage of people that did fly(4.6%)
    =
    (100%)
    For each 1000 passengers they flow last year
    954 did not fly
    46 did fly
    This year

  21. Correct with perhaps the exception of BBC most news sources are slanted to either a conservative view point or a liberal view point. I am an independent and watch OAN- right wing and PBS – Liberal wing. I then contrast between the two what I hear.

  22. @Ben, I think people are confused about the percentages because they’re thinking your ~ sign is a –

    That’s the only reason I could imagine it would be confusing, otherwise seems like either way makes just as much sense as the other.

    Crazy to see such low numbers, especially considering how many people could still technically and legally fly if they wanted to. Good to see people actually listening.

  23. I assume these numbers are fairly accurate for the passenger count, probably taken from boarding pass scans at checkpoints. Employees and Crew don’t do that.

  24. KW.
    Airlines equally guilty of spreading this virus. Filthy unsanitized equipment. From bathroom floors to trays to unclean tv screens, get My seats, it’s all over
    I’m fuming they should get any bail out. Till they can prove proper sanitation. They fly the sickly, coughing, hacking, sneezing, smelly people. All for profit. Ebola should have taught them a lesson. NOW can u take temperatures at boarding and refuse boarding to sickly? You were part of this problem spreading this virus☹

  25. Does anyone know if Aer Lingus is still flying from any USA airport to Dublin Ireland? I had a ticket for May which I cancelled, although Aer Lingus said they are still flying(to avoid refund). When I check flight status website the flights even this week is listed as scheduled.

  26. Your percentage doesnt really make sense and it actually makes it more confusing to include that…..just sayin

  27. The entire country hasn’t been social distancing much less been on lockdown for several weeks now. There are still a handful of states not on lockdown, as well as lots of people making fun of social distancing. I imagine they might still be flying, along side people who “have to fly.” For example, people going to funerals or to visit dying relatives or friends, people going to medical appointments for non-COVID diseases that can’t access appropriate medical care where they live, people from the CDC or other federal agencies (or state agencies in large states) that need to visit a hotspot for whatever reason, people who lost everything when their job dissolved and have to move in with others, people who already took a new job in a new city before everything went to crap, etc. It’s not like the country has many options for long distance travel: you either drive or you fly. Until all planes are grounded, I expect there to still be people flying when they don’t want to drive.

  28. wow…does that mean airline stocks are yet to bottom? It’d be nice to keep getting updates of this data to see when the numbers will actually bottom and hit a reflection point. I understand stock guidance are provided more in quarterly fashion but clearly, you can expect second quarter revenues to be around 80% less than last year?

  29. The ~ symbol stands for “about” or “estimated.” @Lucky was stating that the current percentage of those flying is “about” x% compared to normal. I would never know that if I hadn’t had to take Probability Calculus. Almost failed, but pulled self out of nosedive and remember “~.”

  30. I can’t believe that people put the crap in their pockets into a bin and not their carryon whe going through the TSA checkpoint. Gross!

  31. The percentage makes perfect sense, why is everyone so confused about it? It’s the percentage of traffic compared to the previous data.

  32. Exactly Samo. I’ve zero clue why anyone has struggled with the percentages on here. It’s extremely clear.

    People are thick.

  33. @PaulZ: You’ve said it exactly. There’s no news anymore, just opinion. I used to work in broadcasting 20 years ago. What I see on the evening news, at the station I worked for, would have been grounds for termination back when I was working there. Now it’s the norm.

    The US news sources have stopped reporting on international events as well.

    I stopped watching the US news probably a decade ago. It’s just not worth it.

  34. Maybe the virus is slowing as people are not flying so much! Im sure the airlines continue to fly dirty unsanitary aircraft equipment and since everyone is staying home, it is slowing. I could be wrong, but the flying petri dishes have to clean up their act and make flying safe again. CLEAN and SANITIZE those planes! Have you ever noticed the sticky filthy floors in the restrooms? Ever put your tray down to find filth, coffee stains smudges all from other flyers. Now is the time to slow down arrivals and departures and sanitize these planes. The world is not ever going to be normal again because normal wasnt working! Katherine

  35. @Katherine Whitley-Most airlines are doing an exceptional job cleaning and sanitizing aircraft now. Quite likely most aircraft now flown by U.S. carriers are cleaner than your own living room.

  36. Hi Ben. I’m in self isolation in Kuala Lumpur, but am able to fly in ten days back to the US. Booked on ANA through NRT-LAX-DEN-COS AND I’m really interested to see what my entry into and transfer through LAX will be like. I’ll keep you posted.

    (Thanks for all you do – keeps us all up to date, and that is so valuable. )

  37. Im still flying between work and home and it honestly has been great. Planes are empty ,people are friendly and it is by far much safer than going to your local grocery store or one of those essential liquor stores.
    News is just catering to what people want to here not the facts.
    Look at the 70 % approval rating of Dr Fauci and his advise

    January- very low risk to US
    February -2.2 million will die
    March- 160,000-200,000 will die
    April – 60,000 will die.
    Wake up people

  38. @ron: “Look at the 70 % approval rating of Dr Fauci and his advise”

    Statistical modeling does not always pan out to real world results – it is based on assumptions and conditions in play at any given moment, which can change for any number of reasons.

    You sound like one of those people who will call TV stations and complain when the weather forecast is wrong.

  39. I’m guessing math isn’t your strong suit. Saying “nearly -4.6%” is redundant. As someone else pointed out the tilda implies “approximate” so you are saying nearly approximate” which makes no sense.

    An your notation was confusing. Using a negative sign saying how much it was down would have been easier on the math weak readers.

  40. I realize it is YOUR blog, but those ads in the middle of the text are very annoying. I checked a post of yours from last year, and I see they weren’t being used then. Maybe you could reformat sometime in the near future? (Please?)

  41. Seemed relatively busy today. My flight from OAK to PHX was 50% full, flight from PHX to DFW was 60% full, while DFW to BWI was only about 25% full. Airports are empty and based on your posts I was surprised to see half full flights.

  42. All I can think of is how expensive it is going to be once flying starts really resuming. Supply will be low and demand will be high comparative to the limited number of flights/seats available so ticket prices are going to be pretty crazy for the foreseeable future.

  43. Hey @ron …interested to know what you do? I.e why you need to fly.

    And where are you flying from and to? And how often?

    Also do you think there might be a correlation between the 95% decrease in passengers and the 97% decrease in forecast deaths?

  44. correct mike modeling doesn’t pan out so stop using it to scare people

    weather is usually wrong but you missed the point don’t live your life by

  45. Unfortunately my employer still requires me to fly each week and refuses to use video conferencing. However, I haven’t been laid off so I don’t have a right to complain.

  46. @Lucky maybe you can research and enlighten us as to who the 100,000 +/- people are that’s still flying. I thought stay at home means no traveling!

  47. don’t fly they are petri dishes and Id sue your employer! danger zone REALLY? /filthy planes

  48. Not only a change in numbers and calculations.

    It can be said in Europe, excluding the UK, people are changing.

    Who knows if they will revert to the same old same old when and if things start up again.

    Brains are calculating. Hearts are feeling.

    Lets see.

  49. @ron You might be trolling, but I’ll give it a go anyway. The models don’t pan out for a number of reasons, most notably in these models because assumed behaviors ended up being different than actual behaviors. Specifically, people for the most part socially distanced, which ended up significantly slowing the virus and bringing down infection rates, which fed back into the models which now predict a much lower number of deaths. This is proof that social distancing works, not that the model is broken.

    As for your absurd premise that you “don’t live your life by [models]” – nobody is suggesting as much. But again, the evolution of the projected deaths shows that, at least in this case, it WAS worth living our lives by the models. (Most) everyone stayed home, and thousands will live as a result.

  50. Lufthansa published today their traffic drop is 98%.
    Well, there is virtually no place to fly anyway in Europe, and German domestic flights are limited, too. So no wonder.

  51. @ Brett
    I don’t know specific schedules for the routes you mention, but maybe if only 2 flights a day currently operate where there were previously 10, there are far fewer flights for people to book. If so, 50% load on those 2 flights would still represent a considerable reduction on the normal volumes – possibly down 90% or so.

  52. To JetAway
    Why did it have to come to this before interiors of airliners being sanitized inbetween every flight? Why didnt they take out the middle seats for space between passengers like Delta is now doing – and imagine other airlines. Why does it have to take a disaster before people – executives that know it all figure it out?

  53. @ John. Wake up! It’s not bed time and stopping dreaming. That’s not going to happen and don’t be angry once Trump get kicked out of the WH.

  54. Congratulations Lucky, you managed to present the main point of this entry, the % drop, in the most confusing way! Was that the German in you coming out?

  55. What would be really interesting to know – or put in comparison to this data – is the number of flights still going – and what are their load factors. I know this data is probably coming from DOT but lags significantly. Will be fascinating when it comes. I just can’t believe how many flights are still going, and yes, some need to for healthcare workers, essential first responders, gov’t officials, etc.

  56. Flew AA from East Coast to West Coast (through CLT) last week, I would say both flights were 25%-50% full. Saw several pilots and AA employees, soldiers, as well as families with young children and some people with their pets/ESA.
    It was not the empty plane I expected.

  57. Like John said, it is impossible justify your assertion that there might be more people flying without real statistical analysis. We all hope that we can safely fly again, but the data presented, on its own, does not say much other than that there are about 93-95% (and need statistical significance) decrease in the airport passengers compared to before the outbreak. Nothing else.

  58. Four days doesn’t make a trend, but starting on April 23rd you do see a slight increase from around ~ 100k to a range of 110-120k. Is it the very beginning of normalization ….. whatever that new number will be? As the Fed says, we’ll have to watch the data.

  59. I am noticing an uptick. I had to ( will have to soon again) fly to visit my Mom in hospice care (she’s in PHL, I’m in PHX). Traveling Easter week we had maybe 20 – 25 (plus a dog) on our flights. Looking at my upcoming flights I have noticed closer to 40 – 50 seats taken (discounting block center and seats near the flight crews seats. Also, several of my wife’s direct reports are requesting travel (PHX to DEN or LAX – close in) to help with restarting of their businesses. Will see travel at the rate pre-March. . .no but I can see us being closer to 50% of normal by middle to late summer. Noticed too that Eurowings is still launching PHX service, although in early August verses April, but saw it cancel other North American destinations.

    Will be an interesting summer and valued fulled fall for sure.

  60. I’m flying every week for fun since January through to the end of the year.

    Yesterday the airports had more people in them for sure.
    My flight was ~60% full.

    I am flying again tomorrow, and I expect to see more and more folks each week.
    Maybe we won’t get back to 100% of where we were in 2019, but, it’s going to come back, and come back fast.

    Just wait until businesses start sending their people out. Early May, mid May?
    It’s going to be get busy, quick.


    This was the stupidest over-reaction in history, and everyone is realizing it the last 7-10 days.
    Now people want to get back to living their lives and having jobs. So, they will get on planes.

    It’s been so nice while it’s been quiet, but, yeah, you can feel it starting to come back for sure.

  61. I wonder how many of you (commenting or reading) have ever flown with a cold or flu?. How many have gotten others sick – which unbeknown to you led to someone else dying? The little old lady who was seated next to you, or 3 rows behind!.

    How many do we see in the cabin, coughing and looking like death… hmmm.

    Things to think on while “taking shelter” from what is nothing out of the ordinary, as you will all see in the coming weeks, once people exit from the fear and start thinking for themselves. Doing their own research.

    Oh and no, I am not a republican nor a democrat (they are both the same).

  62. Flew out of SFO yesterday. I was the only person going through TSA. Craziest part was looking down after takeoff to see not a single other aircraft moving on the ground – not on the runway, not pulling up to a gate, NOTHING. It was definitely eerie.

  63. @ Ben — As dangerous as it seems, I am ready to return to the skies! So, yes, I think the trend will continue. I just wonder where it will stabilize — 20%, 50%, 70%?? And, then, when does the next wave of COVID-19 hit — 6 weeks, 3 months, 6 months? I guarantee you it is coming….I am betting on about 2 months from now. Then, the markets and Dear Leader’s approval ratings will fall sharply.

    Can someone please explain to me why the stock market is UP 7% in 16 months, yet everyone keeps crying about how much it is DOWN? What a joke. It is the greatest sucker’s market in history right now. WAY, WAY, WAY, WAY OVERVALUED!

  64. cover your face, wear a mask, keep your distance from people, wash your hands, wipe your seat and wear gloves. How is it any less safe to fly than going to a crowded grocery store?

  65. Lucky–yeah, I could see imagine that passenger volumes will slowly start to increase. Personally I have canceled multiple trips. But there is one that I keep delaying, though eventually need to take. There is really no end in sight for Covid, so sooner or later I will need to take that specific flight. Unless there is a proven vaccine that has been widely administered, there will be risks. The rate of infection in the general population is hopefully decreasing. However, social distancing will still be important for a while. If you fly now, with (some) planes 10-20% full, you can still practice social distancing. Let’s say in June or July the government says “non-essential” travel can resume. While the passenger volume will not be back to 2019 numbers, I would guess this pseudo-green light will prompt a more sudden increase in passenger numbers. People will treat it like a light switch (not ok vs. ok to travel), versus a dimmer control. It will probably be safer to travel a couple weeks before the government says it is ok (when you can socially distance), than a couple weeks after.

  66. I’m a travel agent. My clients have been slowly starting to contact me to plan travel, and a few have already booked.

  67. @Sam
    I need a RTW ticket in first class on *A, basically the most expensive ticket I can find. How do I book?

  68. I live in Arizona which is a snowbird state. We are seeing a number of people packing up and returning to their other homes up North right now.

  69. I read yesterday that Sara Nelson the FA Union leader wants to ban all non-essential air travel into the future. She better not overplay her hand. It’s going to be hard enough to get people back on planes again and that government aid isn’t going to last forever.

  70. Re: the comments that prefer seeing %drop rather than %still flying (eg 95.4% drop vs 4.6% still flying). The information content is exactly the same.

    What I find interesting are the comments from folks still flying. Note most of them are reporting how full the plane is 25%, 60% or 40-60 seats. I have yet to see a comment that reports how empty the plane is.

    Just saying:-)

  71. There isn’t enough data to run very insightful stats but doesn’t mean you can make some rough stats out of it. The easiest, if anyone isn’t too lazy to do it for us, is to do a 7 day moving average. That should give you some interesting outcome.

  72. @Steve_

    I am no expert, so maybe you’re right in saying that travel might not be as unsafe as some people think, but keeping distance from people at an airport is very difficult if the airport is crowded. On a plane I’d say it becomes basically impossible if the flight is more than around 25% full. While passenger numbers are way lower than before, the number of flights operated is also very low meaning people might still end up on flights with a load factor of over 25%.

  73. Ben – If you’re going to keep doing these type of posts (which I think are interesting), it would probably benefit from a data visualization – just a simple bar chart, or side-by-side bar chart, that you could make in Google Sheets. I be then folks will stop complaining about your explanation of percentages.

  74. Unless the airlines, the FAA, the CDC, or some other federal agency prohibits passenger travel, just stop with all this judgy commentary. If the airlines are selling tickets, is it they who are assuming the risk to provide safe travel. If they cannot provide safe travel, then transport cargo only.

  75. I read that Flight Attendants are asking people NOT to fly for leisure and vacation unless it’s for business.

  76. @Emmanuel Ruiz – you are so dumb you referenced a post from 3 weeks ago, lol. At least the other MAGA trolls sometimes have a tiny shred of intelligence…

  77. Geez you people! Are y’all so bored that you have to keep harping on how Ben presented his numbers? My daughter stopped letting me help with her math homework when she was in 1st grade because I gave her a wrong answer. And even I had no trouble with understanding what his numbers meant and converting it. Did you even bother to read his explanation at the beginning?

  78. Last day of the month…Could be that some contract workers on a monthly basis had to fly to their homes.

  79. “Data: Yesterday Was The Busiest Day At Airports In Over A Month”

    Given that’s likely to happen frequently as air traffic recovers, you won’t even have to change the headline on this piece any longer, just the date/time stamp.

  80. I’m on an American flight to Miami, it’s packed. Many middle seats taken. Doesn’t bother me. Everyone’s wearing a mask so it’s totally safer! Lol. I have no concern traveling to be honest with you. Eveyone who isn’t high risk need to get up and get out. The virus is here. Maybe forever. Live free or die.

  81. Do the planes look cleaner? Feel cleaner? Are people coughing or sneezing (sneezes travel 27 feet) and can you imagine that the last person that sat in your seat could have done that and there you are with all those germs. American said they are thoroughly cleaning seat belts, tray tables, screens etc between each flight….does it feel like that is true?
    K

  82. Over the last few days I have flown AKL-LAX; LAX-DEN-BZN. Both LAX and DEN were complete ghost airports. Hardly any people on flights at all. Scary.

  83. There should be zero flying for work right now, especially in sales, unless its directly related to essential services.

  84. Definitely looks like a trend towards normalization, although we’re still at the very beginning of it. I’ve noticed in California that people are allowing themselves to travel and get out more; regardless of the stay at home orders.

  85. To me, 150k people flying in one day in the US seems like a lot..
    I don’t know a single person flying right now who isn’t taking an emergency flight home from a foregin country and there aren’t many people who haven’t already done that..
    So who are these people that still need to fly?

  86. People need to be aware that airlines care more for making money than they do about passenger welfare. Airlines pretending that wearing masks will stop problems caused by inadequate distancing and poor cleaning of airplanes is seriously disrespectful.

  87. I think the point is that as long as we’re comparing apples to apples (flight crews, passengers, airport employees) in both last year’s and this year’s number then we would see a valid comparison and we would expect less airline employees and less airport employees as well since not all routes on all days are occurring. It just goes to show that people really stopped.

    My question now is will people be “forced” to travel for work. I find that would be very difficult to require unless it’s really essential (closing the sale, being on the ground at the client site to monitor and react to things occurring). I’m so glad that’s not me anymore.

  88. Much of who is flying is essential. I work for a medical device company. While none of us are allowed to fly, we still have equipment that needs to be maintained and serviced. If service people can’t fly, then many things will slow to a trickle. Other companies need service people to work on their tools and equipment.

  89. There are many who do not live in fear. Taking precautions, absolutely, and flying if and when its needed. I’m not here to police others, or to have people police me with the “stay at home, stay safe” rubbish ….nor do I need to hear the sheep quiver out “flatten the curb”

    Nice to see the US flying public numbers rising. BTW – China passenger numbers have jumped 20 fold in the past couple of weeks. Flying will return to normal, but in the West carriers will use this as an excuse to dump staff, write down old jets etc…

    That’s all!
    🙂

  90. @Katherine Whitley, jeez girl…calm down. Human nature is that we always make changes when disaster strikes. We don’t live our lives in what-if panic porn mode. But you sound like a screaming mimi so knock yourself out and hide in a cave the rest of your life. The rest of us will get on.

  91. A lot of businesses are opening up and that requires some people to fly. For example, a family member of mine works as an executive for a healthcare company headquartered in Florida. Since Florida announced plans to open up, the hospitals need their employees back on the job to help with the likelyhood of increased patients. He lives in Northern Georgia so he has to commute round-trip weekly.

  92. @Jordan- there were 3 cases of Covid19 in China yesterday. There were 23,000 new cases in the USA. These are very different numbers, that can directly be translated into risk of infection.

    The second wave is going to be worse than the first.

  93. This just shows that we have stayed put long enough and that it’s not possible to halt everyone’s life just to save some people from an illness.

    Right now I think the major factor stopping people from travelling is the level 4 (do not travel) warning. If eased to level 3, a small rebound could come around

    Delta has made it a pain to fly by even eliminating drinks in first class

  94. Lufthansa is bringing 80 planes back into service in June. Qatar and others are expanding destinations.

    Seems China had a very robust May Celebration.

    I’m flying again today (been flying every week for…. months now).
    It’s getting busier for sure. Very exciting.

    Uber drivers, hotel people… there is starting to be some optimism again.
    They have been attacked and vilified by the news for a while. People trying to tell other people what to do.

    Now, as freedom is starting to be allowed again (that’s a whole other discussion…). The people are starting to hit the road again.

    It’s great to see.
    Hope to see you all in the air again soon!

    The deals are out there.

  95. We’ll see, as the states reopen. I hope passengers fly more while at the same time COVID death rate goes down. I have a (domestic) trip in mid-July I hope it works out

  96. David— if the most salient inconvenience of this pandemic for you is that you can’t get drunk in first class maybe you should rethink your outlook on life (and check your privilege).

  97. @George Great to hear that some people are still flying. The only huge problem is that flying is no fun right now due to lounge closures and service reductions onboard. No point in getting “deals” if all you’re going to get is bottled water. I hope they bring back the good stuff soon.

  98. @David I hear you, but, honestly, I am *really* enjoying it. It’s so refreshing to not have masses of people all over the airport. It’s… great.

    That said, I have been upgraded on every leg of every trip except for 1 since March.
    In March, I actually had an entire 737-900 to myself 🙂

    I eat before I get on the plane, and use the wifi to do work and goof off.
    The lack of service or ‘soft product’ has really not been an issue for me.

    Even internationally, I flew BNE-LAX in March. Limited service – didn’t bother me, I still had a bed.

  99. @George
    If I had any say in it, you’d be constrained in a straitjacket and locked away for the duration. Being a danger to yourself is a choice, but your choices puts others at risk…

  100. Paolo – the nice thing is, not only do you not have any rights, legal authority, or ability to do anything to me.

    I don’t have to listen to you, and I can do the exact opposite of what you want and say 🙂

    Which is what I am doing !

    See, I live in a country called America.
    And your rights end where mine begin.

    So, if you want to kill hundreds of thousands of children by locking down the world economy (UN.org report) so they don’t get vaccines. Be my guest.

    Your selfish and hypocritical attitude is harming hundreds of thousands more people than Coronavirus ever will.

    Your self righteous attitude, ignoring facts and reason because you don’t understand math or science – fortunately, doesn’t impact me at all.

    It just makes your point of view look idiotic. Like a flat earther ignoring data and logic, because it goes Against their beliefs.

    Good luck with that, the best part of my life is, not only do your comments not bother me, they fuel me to do the opposite because I can and your ignorance can only stop you, not me.

  101. Then it’s a good thing @Paolo has no say in it, or in anything

    @David (at least domestically) for a 1-3 hour flight I just want to get it over with, a lack of lounge access (in an empty airport) or a pre-flight Mimosa wouldn’t kill me

  102. I’ll be flying in one week to look for apartments to rent in Seattle. In mid-May basically every US airline will require masks and will clean planes more thoroughly after every flight. At least until the end of May a number of airlines will not be selling middle seats. I think it’s time to (slowly) learn how to live in this new world. The jobs report from today underscores this issue, and also shows how employees in nearly every sector are vulnerable, including the healthcare industry astonishingly.

  103. A note, Lucky: When you simply “refresh” “evergreen” posts like this one instead of creating a new one, they show up as read in RSS readers because the URL has already been visited.

  104. Paolo how exactly is George putting people in danger. Locking him up in a strait jacket. Are u for real or just needing a OW coach ticket back to NK. That is exactly where your views belong!

  105. I am going to have to fly across country soon. My house sold and I have to pack up all my stuff. I have someone flying up who will drive it across country for me. I wish I didn’t have to, but I have pushed it back as far as I can.

    Sometimes people don’t really have choices.

  106. Air travel will go up as states open prematurely. People without basic commonsense will rush to the airports and fly all over the place when they don’t really have essential reasons to do so. In several weeks the country will be suffering from outbreaks all over and we will be shutdown again.

  107. I will continue to fly when I need to. Life goes on. I’ve flown in the last 8 weeks and don’t find it intimidating at all. Rather pleasant. I’m not buying into the hype. The only thing different for me is that my favorite restaurants and bars are not not open and I can’t good to HomeGoods. Other than that, all good. Just…..don’t…….get……it……

  108. I guess pople are confusing the data.
    The “wave” abreviation before the percentage means “circa./approximatively”
    This does not corresponds to the negative “-”
    Ok it’s small symbol and could have been confusing.
    But defintively “circa./approximatively” meaning.

  109. Lucky, thanks posting for these interesting numbers. Not real good at math, but they seemed pretty simple to me. Also, if you decide to delete the political stuff, you have my vote!

  110. What proportion of this traffic can be attributed to repatriation flights?

    We are seeing large nations, like India, undertake immense repatriation missions. India, by itself, will be repatriating over a million Indians by sea and air. Hats of to Air India, again.

  111. With all mayor airlines retiring huge quantities of airplanes is tellingnme the traffic will be low for a long time. IATA is projecting the airline industry wont recuperate until 2023.

  112. We are snowbirds and have not left for the north home yet. Is it safer to fly or drive? We are both 72 years old but diabetics.

  113. Hopefully it’s just people who need to get home or for other personal reasons.

    Anyone flying for work right now is a selfish douche

  114. Booked today to fly the final Delta MD-88 and MD-90 flights! Going to be an exciting short trip.

  115. @Patricia I have a lot of snowbirds in my family. They all made the decision to fly instead of drive. Their thought process was that they would have less potential exposure by flying rather than making stops at multiple rest areas, gas stations, and staying overnight at a hotel. They all told me there were no more than 15-20 people on their flights from TPA to DTW. But this was a few weeks ago when passenger counts were extremely low. I’m not sure how full the flights are now.

  116. Crazy that total passengers screened in total nationwide is still less than the daily average of passengers at ATL, which is close to 300k (that’s including all, not just screened, granted).

  117. These posts are akin to CNNs constant “most tragic day” daily updates that were coming out as the curve went up.

    I mean, at least its a positive story, just still kinda redundant.

  118. If you look at the data form more than a millisecond you will notice that there is a strong day-of-week effect, so comparing a Thursday (2020 data) to a Tuesday (2019 data) is incorrect and will given you junk results. Again looking at the data for more than a millisecond you will see that the average Tuesday always has far less traffic than the average Thursday.

    You have a lot of time and the internet to figure out how to remove this effect to make correct comparisons.

  119. I haven’t seen any studies/reports of outbreaks arising from air travel. There should be evidence showing increased transmission among flyers vs non-flyers if this is happening.

  120. I just flew today from CA to Seattle on Alaska. Alaska and basically every other airline is requiring masks now. In the case of Alaska they started requiring them on May 11. Anyway, myself and everyone else on the plane that I noticed were in fact wearing masks, and no aisle seats were taken on the E175 (two seats on each side of the aisle), which is what the airline promised. Granted I can’t guarantee that if it was a more popular route they would have tried to sell more tickets, but for now I’ll assume Alaska is following through with their promise to block aisle/middle seats depending on the aircraft. Important to note though I was flying SJC-SEA and SJC was almost like a ghost town (I chose it over SFO as I thought it wouldn’t be as crowded).

    It felt pretty safe honestly. Many of the cabin and waiting area announcements remind people that masks are required and the airline provides masks to passengers that forgot theirs. And again every passenger I personally noticed was wearing a mask.

    It is worth pointing out though that when we arrived at SeaTac, a puzzling number of people were not wearing masks in the airport. I’d peg the mask wearing rate at around 65%. But at least on the plane where it matters most people seemed to all be wearing one.

  121. @Jake

    he already does take the day of the week into account: “The comparison is to the same day of the week last year (since passenger demand is highly dependent on the day of the week)”

  122. @David- pretty much *all* transmission came from air travel, originally. There were some cases on cruise ships, but even there, people flew too/from the origination/debarkation ports…

  123. European airlines seem to be setting 31st August as the deadline for compulsory face masks so I suppose September is when we might start getting back to normal in terms of the demand. Business travel is dead and no one is going to sacrifice several hours without an oxygen just to get to a holiday.

    I wonder how many airlines will make it through the summer, when everyone’s gonna drive, or stay home instead of flying (at least on continental European market) to avoid all the gimmicks that airlines introduced.

    I’m sorry for all the people in airline industry who will be forced to accept this nonsense, only to recieve a notice within a few weeks.

  124. Lol, Samo- in my country (and many others), masks are compulsory when you go out. Especially the light 3 ply masks, you barely notice them when you have them on. This weird idea you have that you will lack oxygen is bizarre. I’ll be wearing one for my 18 hour flight in August, as will everyone else on the plane.

    Your healthcare professionals are wearing them every day for 12 hour shifts and putting their lives on the line. The least you can do is wear one every time you go out of the house, until this thing is over.

  125. Now I really need to quickly make a trip to AZ, CA desert. Last chance to see parked planes.

  126. @Lucky would be much more interesting and helpful if you could graph this data on excel before posting. Shouldn’t take too long to do as it would be a fairly straight forward graph. I’m sure Tiffany could help you if you’re too technically challenged 🙂

  127. So, I understand you don’t have so much to write about, but is this really going to be updated every few days? I mean why not, I guess, when you can just repackage the same “highest travel numbers since April 14” story every few days and get comments.

  128. I’m still flying every week for fun. It’s getting busier every week at the airport, hotels, traffic, etc.

    It’s really nice.
    I imagine this summer, the floodgates will open.
    I have many friends who have booked multiple trips to Europe, around the US, etc.

    Low fares are working, and more promotions and specials are getting people out on the road.


    Also, for those of you who think you need to wear a mask on a plane.
    That’s incorrect.
    You just take it off once you take off. No one says a word, and FAs are told not to confront passengers.

    I almost cancelled trips when airlines forced me to wear a mask.
    But, now, I wear it for about 10 minutes before takeoff, and 5 minutes after landing.
    The rest of the trip – no mask, and no hassles.

    So, if you refuse to fly because of the silly mask rules – I hear you, but, you don’t need to actually wear one.

  129. You’re a real ‘Merican Georgey! Not a pansy like those effette, coastal elites! God bless you and ‘Merica!!! More Georgeys is what we need to get this country great again!

  130. For those who could not understand the % and then insist the writer was causing confusion …..my answer STEM education.

  131. Thrilled to see a rebound. I booked a flight next week to visit family and as soon as things reopen I will book more.

  132. I think the growth will peak at a significant lower rate than before because while some people don’t view it as a high risk, or they are in the younger age range, many others will view it as high risk and won’t return to flying, or greatly restrict it to extremely few trips.

    Not sure at what point that will be but it won’t return to 100%, 90%, 80% without a vaccine. I’m guessing somewhere around 50%. And if any outbreaks are traced to flying it will quickly drop back to 25% or less.

  133. @Jay – I’m actually one of those coastal elites 🙂
    Shock huh?
    Business owner on the west coast, I employe a fair number of people (I worked for free the last couple months too, so we had no layoffs and no pay reductions for front line workers).

    I was raised a Democrat in California, now in the PNW, in the most liberal city on the West Coast.
    So, you can eat me 🙂


    Also, I was STOKED to see 300k+ travel yesterday. I’m flying tomorrow again, and the planes are getting full! It’s nice.

    Not sure why the comment is needed ‘for better or worse’
    This is VERY GOOD.

    Our country has been decimated by horrible decisions making.
    We have almost 40million people out of work, for no reason.
    All the models were wrong.
    Very few people have died.
    But, we’ve ruined our country so the social media warriors, media and politicians can all feel powerful and united.

    Remember the data:
    60Million people a year die, every year, normally and naturally
    In the last 6 months, that means 30,000,000 people have died naturally
    About 400,000 of those have had CV in their system, and most would have died naturally soon anyway.

    So, we ruined the world for 1.3% of the NORMAL, NATURAL death rate.
    The math, unfortunately, doesn’t add up now that reality is clear.
    We over-reacted, and we’ve hurt a lot more than 400,000 people worldwide now :/
    We screwed up, badly. BUT, we can all get back to work, dig in, travel and spend money to help save as many lives as possible now.

    So, ANYTHING that shows growth of spending is really really needed.
    Unless you’re Jay, and you don’t care about other people’s lives 🙂

  134. I think people who’ve been quarantined are trying to get to a new place for a bit. As a NYC resident, I have a ton of friends who are relocating to their parents’ houses or a friend’s house outside of the city this weekend for the foreseeable future.

  135. @ George
    I’m not going to get embroiled in any US political arguments, but I would just like to say that your argument is intrinsically flawed. What you have failed to note is that the number of deaths is AFTER the various restrictions have been put in place. What nobody knows is how high the death rate would have been had there not been such restrictions, but I don’t think anyone could argue that the rate would be lower. If it were possible to measure the difference, that would be the true measure of success or failure.
    Oh, and it’s pretty pointless quoting *worldwide* figures of death rates in your argument when the virus hasn’t yet fully hit large areas of the planet….

  136. I flew American yesterday, May 22. CLT was packed, with only about 10% cancellations. MIA was nearly empty, with around 90% cancellations.

    Are these massive differences due to the local people living in Miami and Charlotte or does American have a clueless person scheduling flights in Miami and a genius in Charlotte?

  137. “It’s probably worth clarifying that the above doesn’t paint the full picture of people traveling, since this only accounts for people being screened at US airports. For example, it doesn’t account for those arriving in the US from other countries and not connecting onwards.”

    a very very small number im sure seeing the number of travel restrictions in place haha.

  138. Who in their right mind would want to be flying in the US at this time. The whole country is a petri dish. How fortunate we are in Australia. People with common sense and awareness.

  139. @ Ben
    “Who has been flying? What date and was the seat next to you empty?”

    Come on – this post is long enough already without turning it into a survey! Do we really want all this site’s readers to answer that? What’s the point?

  140. @red_robbo – Excellent! You made the point about why @George’s argument, which he’s made elsewhere and has been echoed by others, so succinctly and so clearly that one would think that such folks with all their bravado would get it. Yet, I won’t hold my breadth because those folks rely on sophistry to make their claims, which means that they are delusional but do not know it because they are convinced that their arguments make sense.

    Well, they do not, as you just pointed out because the death rates due to the pandemic that they are comparing to natural death rates are death rates that include ‘social distancing’ and other measures that were implemented to try to “flatten the curve.” They are comparing apples and oranges!

    I previously posted the following to debunk, based on new scientific evidence, sophistic claims like @George’s. This seems like a good opportunity to recycle that comment.

    “A frequent claim by anti-lockdown activists or pandemic deniers (scamdemic!), like @George, is that ‘social distancing’ measures that medical experts recommended to ‘flatten the curve’, and continue to urge caution in lifting too soon, were either useless or their effectiveness hyped. That [bogus] claim could not be effectively challenged because it is usually tough to prove a negative, as that would have required having data on the number of people who would have gotten infected or would have died *if the safety measures had not been implemented at all.*

    Well, what do you know? A scientific study published in ‘Health Affairs’ by researchers in Kentucky, of all places, ‘has proved the negative’ and debunked the claim about ‘social distancing’ measures being useless:

    “Holding the amount of voluntary social distancing constant, these results imply 10 times greater spread by April 27 without shelter-in-place orders (SIPOs) (10 million cases) and more than 35 times greater spread without any of the four measures (35 million). Our paper illustrates the potential danger of exponential spread in the absence of interventions…”
    ______________
    See, @George? Based on experimental data, there would have been ~10M people infected without just 4 of the safety measures that were implemented, and ~35M people would have been infected without any of the measures implemented.

    The truly disturbing thing about pandemic deniers is that they consider human lives to be readily expendable. Fortunately, the world does not seem to be populated by by sociopaths like them: emerging evidence is that even in states where social distancing measures have been relaxed and people are freer to roam around, the majority of folks have voluntarily refrained from doing so, and good for them!

  141. @George said: “So, we ruined the world for 1.3% of the NORMAL, NATURAL death rate”

    I will provide you with a different perspective to consider:

    Without any safety measures enacted ~35,000,000 would have gotten infected by April 27, i.e., *in just two months*. As of today, *with safety measures in place*, 339,000 have died out of at least 5,274,000 reported cases, Now ask yourself: how many would have died if ~35,000,000 had been infected by April 27?

    I am sure that under that scenario all the pandemic deniers would already have perished by now. You have more to be thankful for than you realize, and that’s despite the botched response to the pandemic.

    The safety measures did not “ruin” the world, they saved it.

  142. I think it’s outdated to be shaming people who fly. I flew last month to house hunt for a planned move (planned before covid-19 hit). At any rate, the airlines have their act together now involving seat blocking and mask wearing so it’s not so dangerous to fly anymore. Of course I flew from CA to WA… if you fly from say, Charlotte to Houston or something I don’t know how well people are following the rules (plus then you’d be flying American or United!).

  143. @ Ben

    “Who has been flying? What date and was the seat next to you empty?”

    I flew on May 15 from SJC to SEA on Alaska. Seat was empty next to me on the flight there. On the return flight they let my wife sit next to me. Everyone on the plane was wearing a mask that I saw. In SEA airport it was more of a mixed bag with mask wearing but it also wasn’t crowded.

    Also, I got tested on May 26 (my flight home was on May 23) and I tested negative.

  144. As for international travel , the incumbent kakistocracy has put an end to that as people simply won’t won’t to visit even if they can …

    Sadly the US looks like a banana republic now.

    Rubber bullets , water cannon , tear gas , 40 million out of work , over 1 million sick , 100, 000 dead

    Very sad as there’s so much to the US
    Hawaii and Alaska appear the best options though

  145. @ Icarus

    Hawaii has a mandatory 14-day quarantine on arrival extended to June 30, however 🙂

    For now it looks really bad, but wait until after the November election to write the country off. If Trump gets reelected however… it’s going to take many years of struggle (and probably violence) to get the country back on track.

  146. I had flight from lax to dfw on AA . Full flight..but the whole aircraft looked sparkling clean and super friendly staff . Delta and American saying that theybwikk keep there 29 percent seat on board for social distancing. But I cant see this practically happening. FLIGHTS ARE DEFINITELY BUSY …I think AA /Delts should add more flights and they should open their clubs tooo

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