Grim: TSA Breaks New Firearms Record In 2022

Grim: TSA Breaks New Firearms Record In 2022

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The Transportation Security Administration (TSA) has set a new record this year… for the number of firearms stopped in carry-ons at security checkpoints.

18 guns stopped at TSA checkpoints daily, most loaded

The TSA has revealed some shocking data on the number of firearms that have been stopped at security checkpoints this year:

  • As of December 16, 2022, the TSA stopped 6,301 firearms at airport checkpoints in 2022; before the end of the year, it’s estimated that there will be 6,600 firearms stopped at checkpoints
  • 88% of those firearms stopped at checkpoints were loaded
  • This represents a new record for the number of firearms stopped at airports
  • If you crunch the numbers, 6,301 firearms have been stopped in 350 days, which comes out to an average of 18 firearms stopped at checkpoints each day

For context, 2021 previously set the record for the most firearms confiscated at TSA checkpoints. In 2021, a total of 5,972 firearms were detected at TSA checkpoints, so 2022 is seeing a roughly 10% increase in that number. As a point of comparison, back in 2010, “only” 1,123 firearms were stopped at checkpoints.

Number of firearms stopped at checkpoints, by year

While the absolute number of firearms stopped at checkpoints has increased, I guess one silver lining is that 2022 saw a lot more air travelers than 2021, so as a percentage of travelers with firearms, 2022 should be an improvement.

TSA announces new measures to mitigate risk

Surely all these people trying to bring guns through airport security are arrested and/or put on a no fly list, right? Nope, they barely get a slap on the wrist. The TSA has announced “new measures to mitigate threats” related to guns.

So, what’s changing? The maximum civil penalty a passenger can face for being caught with a firearm at a security checkpoint is increasing from $13,910 to $14,950. Keep in mind that this is the absolute maximum penalty, and in a vast majority of cases nothing close to that is being paid.

But just to recap, the TSA’s way of mitigating risk related to firearms, while we’re seeing year-after-year increases, is to increase the maximum theoretical penalty for carrying a firearm by 7%?

The TSA will also revoke TSA PreCheck eligibility for at least five years for passengers caught with a firearm in their possession. The TSA may also conduct enhanced screening for those passengers (meaning you could get “SSSS” on your boarding pass), to ensure no other threats are present.

Depending on state or local laws in an airport’s location, passengers who bring firearms to a checkpoint may be arrested by law enforcement. However, that seems to happen very rarely.

I’ll never be able to wrap my head around this

I have a couple of thoughts when I see data like this.

First of all, if roughly 18 guns are stopped at TSA checkpoints every day, one has to wonder how many aren’t stopped. Historically the TSA has missed 90%+ of weapons when tests were conducted. Has the TSA improved considerably, or are dozens of loaded firearms getting through security checkpoints daily?

Next, I just don’t get how careless people are with bringing guns to the airport. I’m not a gun owner, but if I’m understanding the argument for guns correctly, it’s about self defense. If that’s the case, shouldn’t you always remember you have it on you, and take extreme precautions?

It just seems like someone who shows up at an airport and forgot they had a loaded gun isn’t exactly the most responsible person, and probably shouldn’t be allowed to own a gun (then again, that opens up a whole different can of worms).

Did most of the people getting caught just totally forget that they had a gun? Did they not realize they couldn’t take it on a plane? Did they want to see if they could get away with it?

It seems like the punishment is pretty minimal here. For that matter, in early 2021, a US representative tried to board a flight with a loaded gun. Not only was he not charged with any crime, but the gun was even secured at the airport so he could retrieve it upon his return, so that he wouldn’t miss his flight.

I don’t want to be grim, but is it going to take a mass shooting on a plane or past a security checkpoint for stricter punishments to be put into place, to deter people from accidentally bringing guns to the airport?

I would think there’s not another country in the world where well over a dozen people per day get stopped with a loaded firearm at the airport, and no one bats an eyelid.

Bottom line

The TSA has released data for 2022 regarding firearms at security checkpoints. So far this year, over 6,300 firearms have been stopped at airports, and 88% of those were loaded. So yeah, 18 people per day are being stopped at checkpoints with firearms. This problem continues to get worse rather than better, and I just don’t get it…

What do you make of this data on firearms being stopped at TSA checkpoints?

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  1. Alex Guest

    "is it going to take a mass shooting on a plane or past a security checkpoint for stricter punishments to be put into place"

    Yes and No. The United States is constantly doing new measures AFTER an incident has already occurred. So yeah....that's exactly what needs to happen.

    EXCEPT....the United States is also the ONLY country in the world that seems to bask in it's utter stupidity in regards to mass shootings.

    Instead of doing...

    "is it going to take a mass shooting on a plane or past a security checkpoint for stricter punishments to be put into place"

    Yes and No. The United States is constantly doing new measures AFTER an incident has already occurred. So yeah....that's exactly what needs to happen.

    EXCEPT....the United States is also the ONLY country in the world that seems to bask in it's utter stupidity in regards to mass shootings.

    Instead of doing better gun safety laws and putting place better safety measures in order to assure that horrific things don't happen again....the OPPOSITE occurs.

    MORE people buy guns, regulations get more lax, and the death toll gets higher and higher.

  2. guisun Gold

    As a gun owner myself, I really think these people are not really responsible gun owners. Although I do have a ccw permit, I don't carry firearms with me, so there is less chance of me carrying to somewhere I'm not supposed to. Being a gun owner, one should be very responsible about it, carrying one due to ccw should be even more responsible about. My firearms travel in "range" bag, and it is only...

    As a gun owner myself, I really think these people are not really responsible gun owners. Although I do have a ccw permit, I don't carry firearms with me, so there is less chance of me carrying to somewhere I'm not supposed to. Being a gun owner, one should be very responsible about it, carrying one due to ccw should be even more responsible about. My firearms travel in "range" bag, and it is only used for as range bag, it is never use for any other purpose. After I'm back from the range, I clean and it goes in the safe. For those that leave it loaded for self defense, they should be even more responsible about it. Gun ownership is a right, but it comes with responsibilities.
    Plus, I'm not willing to risk my GE/TSA Pre.

    1. NYGuy24 Diamond

      Agreed. Responsible gun ownership is knowing where your firearm is at all times. Like seriously the people who just happen to forget its in a bag are a total joke. Then people wonder how criminals or young children gain access to firearms. Its gun owners like these that don't keep track of their weapon. How the heck are they gonna protect themselves if they don't even remember where their firearm is? It is simply irresponsible...

      Agreed. Responsible gun ownership is knowing where your firearm is at all times. Like seriously the people who just happen to forget its in a bag are a total joke. Then people wonder how criminals or young children gain access to firearms. Its gun owners like these that don't keep track of their weapon. How the heck are they gonna protect themselves if they don't even remember where their firearm is? It is simply irresponsible and if you get caught with a firearm at a checkpoint (because you left a firearm in your bag) that is completely your responsibility and you should be held accountable.

      The punishment is not minimal all the time. It depends on where you do this. If you get caught with a gun in NYC you aren't getting a fine. You are missing your flight because you will be busy getting arrested. God help you if you don't have a NYC specific license you could be looking at years in prison. Kinda sad how different parts of the country vary soo much in terms of punishment for the same thing.

  3. Charles Guest

    Can people that know nothing about guns stop pretending they do?

    A “loaded” gun does not mean there is a round in the chamber and it can “go off”.

    Furthermore, can people that know nothing about airplanes also stop pretending they do?

    A bullet sized hole would not depressurization a plane. The outward flow of air caused by a bullet is likely a fraction of the outward flowing air by design.

    1. Kent Guest

      I know a thing or two about aircraft and I’m well aware that a projectile can damage vital systems on an aircraft. Aircraft fuselages are not designed to prevent penetration by a bullet. Furthermore, composites do not break cleanly so any bullet hole would be a large fractured gash, which can lead to a depressurisation. Ultimately, a gun does not belong in the air except when stored on person who is responsible. Hate to break...

      I know a thing or two about aircraft and I’m well aware that a projectile can damage vital systems on an aircraft. Aircraft fuselages are not designed to prevent penetration by a bullet. Furthermore, composites do not break cleanly so any bullet hole would be a large fractured gash, which can lead to a depressurisation. Ultimately, a gun does not belong in the air except when stored on person who is responsible. Hate to break it, but seeing as to how Americans suffer from rage in the air, responsible adults they all are not.

    2. Eve Guest

      I can admit it isn’t conclusive it will cause rapid depressurisation but my case still stands with what Kent says. There are many factors the stray bullet can cause irreparable harm and the manner the fuselage might act is not predictable. emergencies have occurred in even predictable circumstances

      There are also various manner in which various events have unfolded in real. Stray bullets hitting pax, stray shrapnel causing depressurisation and a part of fuselage...

      I can admit it isn’t conclusive it will cause rapid depressurisation but my case still stands with what Kent says. There are many factors the stray bullet can cause irreparable harm and the manner the fuselage might act is not predictable. emergencies have occurred in even predictable circumstances

      There are also various manner in which various events have unfolded in real. Stray bullets hitting pax, stray shrapnel causing depressurisation and a part of fuselage coming off.

      Every case, a loaded gun doesn’t have a place in the pax’s carry-on.

      Legal and RESPONSIBLE manner includes packing your gun in a locked hardshided checked luggage as stipulated by TSA

      https://www.tsa.gov/travel/transporting-firearms-and-ammunition

      It is not a rocket science

      And you can’t say every incident that has happened in security are absentminded fault, it is a regular occurrence of some FIRST AMENDMENT idiot to go around airports with a gun intentionally. Members of Congress have done themselves in both airports and other government places where guns are not allowed

    3. Charles Guest

      First amendment “idiot”. Interesting. I can’t tell, are you now arguing that people shouldn’t have the right to free expression or speech in addition to wanting to strip the guns? You’re seriously making the case as to why the second amendment is so important.

      And no where did I claim or imply guns should be *allowed*. Just like to bring the discussion back to reality, since most commenters like to create their own false reality.

    4. Kent Guest

      Just got a chuckle out of the statement “…not rocket science,” since the principles behind a bullet are actually basic rocket science and I was a rocket propulsion scientist for a few decades before moving towards aviation propulsion. :)

  4. Donna Diamond

    You know how to cure firearm forgetfulness? Charge EVERY offender $15,000. I drive through speed traps all the time, I know where they are, and the $650 penalty is plenty of incentive for me to be hyper alert and check my speed.

    1. Jeffrey Ivan Chang Guest

      "Charge EVERY offender $15,000."

      Why not charge $15,000 (lowest price / scaled for income) for speeding? A person in operating something that can be a deadly weapon in an unsafe manner.

    2. reddargon Diamond

      Tbh, that's not a bad idea. It would probably drastically cut down on speeding.

      It's also worth pointing out that while a car can be used as a deadly weapon, a gun is specifically designed to be a deadly weapon. A gun's primary purpose is to injury or kill living things. I am sure you are smart enough to realize that but it just seems pointing out that your analogy is not really the best.

    3. Jeffrey Chang Guest

      "It's also worth pointing out that while a car can be used as a deadly weapon, a gun is specifically designed to be a deadly weapon."

      Yet when both are carried or properly used in accordance to the law no unjustifiable harm occurs. That is point I am try to make, that either used improperly can result in unlawful harm. As such unsafe operation of both should carry similar if not exact criminal penalties.

      ...

      "It's also worth pointing out that while a car can be used as a deadly weapon, a gun is specifically designed to be a deadly weapon."

      Yet when both are carried or properly used in accordance to the law no unjustifiable harm occurs. That is point I am try to make, that either used improperly can result in unlawful harm. As such unsafe operation of both should carry similar if not exact criminal penalties.

      (P.S. That means if a person is even convicted of unsafe operation of a car, they are not allowed to be in any private vehicle by themselves or have car keys in their possession as this would be considered constructive possession. A violation is an automatic five year prison sentence as a felon in possession (of a car).

      "A gun's primary purpose is to injury or kill living things."

      Funny. I wonder how many used at a range have been used to injure or terminate life.

  5. DBB Guest

    At a minimum, they shouldn't get the firearm back. There should be a mandatory minimum TSA fine (something in the mid four figures) as well.

    1. Steve Diamond

      This makes too much sense so sadly it will never be implemented.

  6. Megan Guest

    Every time I fly I have a moment of panic in the security lane asking myself "did I remove my guns and knives?" and I don't even own a gun or knife. So yeah... these "responsible" gun owners sshould be getting a hell of a stiffer penalty than it appears is the status quo.

  7. Joe Guest

    Put aside the pro/anti gun arguments. How is it possible that (assuming consistent % detected) _more_ people are carrying guns into a TSA checkpoint year on year?! It seems surreal. You'd think it'd reduce over time!

    1. Tim Dunn Diamond

      .... because there are more handguns in the US than ever, in part due to the defund the police movement that sent gun sales soaring.

    2. reddargon Diamond

      Lol, the defund the police movement. Please provide evidence that the increase in gun sales correspond with locations where police funding has been cut.

    3. Scudder Diamond

      The gun industry doesn't need *actual* policy change to drive sales through fearmongering when it is only even being discussed a thousand miles away.

    4. UA-NYC Guest

      Stick to your never ending DL slurping posts, you embarrass yourself with ignorance and stupidity

    5. NYGuy24 Diamond

      Well there are probably more gun owners now than there were pre-pandemic, especially new gun owners. In addition, technology and TSA policies have probably improved their detection rate.

  8. Kim Guest

    I've gone through security with a gun. My significant other was carrying his gun along with other things in the house and he slid it in the front zip of the suitcase. I immediately left out for a work trip and grabbed that suitcase. He didn't know I took it and I didn't know he slid the gun in there. I travel weekly for work and I now have no TSA precheck due to no...

    I've gone through security with a gun. My significant other was carrying his gun along with other things in the house and he slid it in the front zip of the suitcase. I immediately left out for a work trip and grabbed that suitcase. He didn't know I took it and I didn't know he slid the gun in there. I travel weekly for work and I now have no TSA precheck due to no fault of my own. I was charged criminally and had a fine from TSA for $4K. I say all this to point out things happen....

    1. TravelinWilly Diamond

      "...I now have no TSA precheck due to no fault of my own."

      Yeah, no.

      It's your fault. Show some personal responsibility.

    2. kim Guest

      How was I supposed to know there was a gun in a side pocket in my suit case. I don't own a gun, my SO does. Never would have thought he would put a gun in there. You're an idiot. I really hate people like you. I bet you started on third base and blame people who aren't as far as you are.

    3. ConcordeBoy Diamond

      "How was I supposed to know there was a gun in a side pocket in my suit case."

      K, now swap "gun" with "explosive," and you have the doom of at least three airliner disasters in history.

      If you and your S/O are that careless, then no, you SHOULDN'T be subject to expedited security.

    4. Babblespeak Guest

      So if you’re not responsible for your luggage, who is? Do you get a special pass for some reason? Your SO just randomly put his gun in your suitcase for the first time ever right when you were leaving for work? So “random.” Sure. And Travelin is the idiot.

    5. kim Guest

      Wow, people on the internet really are dumb and suspicious of everything. I guess no one understands how misunderstandings happen. This world is doomed.

    6. Heathrow_LHR Guest

      "I guess no one understands how misunderstandings happen."

      What YOU need to understand, is that there's a concept called "Res Ipsa Loquitur," which basically holds that certain egregious outcomes CANNOT happen without NEGLIGENCE on behalf of the accused, regardless of whether he knew, because he SHOULD HAVE KNOWN.

      Bringing a gun through security, for any reason, falls flat into that category. If you can't understand that, then like someone said above: you're the last person...

      "I guess no one understands how misunderstandings happen."

      What YOU need to understand, is that there's a concept called "Res Ipsa Loquitur," which basically holds that certain egregious outcomes CANNOT happen without NEGLIGENCE on behalf of the accused, regardless of whether he knew, because he SHOULD HAVE KNOWN.

      Bringing a gun through security, for any reason, falls flat into that category. If you can't understand that, then like someone said above: you're the last person on Earth who should be granted expedited security.

    7. Antonio Guest

      "I really hate people like you"... But please dont shoot at him with your gun, oops with your SO's gun!

    8. digital_notmad Gold

      You should be made to drive everywhere you go for minimally a decade.

    9. Trey Guest

      People in some countries have been put on death row for carrying drugs in suitcases that their SOs packed. Consider you got off easy..

    10. Ole Guest

      Neither me nor my wife own gun or knife. Yet, before every trip, we check every bag that we plan to take, including backpacks. Your SO should have known better and so should you. Sorry, I didn’t know doesn’t work here. And I’d go one step ahead and say your SO doesn’t deserve to own a gun either.

  9. Scudder Diamond

    I do wonder if this is a real increase of guns being carried, or perhaps an increase in detection rates? The post linked citing a 88% failure rate is from 2017.

    But also, the thought of TSA getting better at their work seems almost laughable.

  10. SamB Gold

    I guess Madison Cawthorn was flying more.

  11. Trey Guest

    ..and there's me, going thru my kids backpack before flights to check for water bottles, school blunt scissors and hand sanitizers above 3oz. These people are completely irresponsible at best and criminal (deliberately trying to carry firearm to their destination) otherwise. If folks are gonna be fined several hundred $$ for inadvertently bringing in a banana from international flights, there should be a minimum $300-500 fine for each firearm violation!

    1. Eve Guest

      That is true. I know for fact that charge thousands of $$$ for even bringing in airport sandwiches. The proportion of conviction is so much different, there should be minimum of $1000 fine and an increase with every violation, and resulting in prosecution after a certain amount of violations

  12. globetrotter Guest

    We are all humans who make mistakes. But there are mistakes we do not or never make. Forgetfulness and ignorance are no excuse. Parents who forgot their child in the car when inside temperature reached triple digits were never charged of negligence/ manslaughter. We just memorated 10th anniversary of Sandy Hook shooting on 12/7 and mass shootings in the country continues to rise. If whites were slaughtered indiscriminately in school with no new gun restriction...

    We are all humans who make mistakes. But there are mistakes we do not or never make. Forgetfulness and ignorance are no excuse. Parents who forgot their child in the car when inside temperature reached triple digits were never charged of negligence/ manslaughter. We just memorated 10th anniversary of Sandy Hook shooting on 12/7 and mass shootings in the country continues to rise. If whites were slaughtered indiscriminately in school with no new gun restriction laws in place, we are all at risk of becoming gun victims. Except lawmakers, supreme justices, the wealthy and powerful. The Second Amendment clearly stipulates that gun ownership is reserved only for the military and law enforcement. As for the argument that we need guns to against the tyrannical government, how can anyone go against the US government that possesses the biggest nuclear arsenal in the world? We now live in the country whose tyrannical minority over rules the silent majority. Remember when Michigan governor Whitmer was surrounded by armed white protesters in the state capital building and now three white males were convicted of attempting to kidnap her? Imagine if those armed protesters were blacks, heaven forbids, or bearded Muslims, we are unanimous what the outcome would be. The following link will enlighten your horizon/ knowledge
    https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2011/09/the-secret-history-of-guns/308608/

    1. Charles Guest

      Haha, that is not what the second amendment says, at all. Your entire post is senseless.

    2. Ole Guest

      The second amendment starts with “A Well regulated militia”. Individual gun owners aren’t a militia and neither are gun rights regulated forget well.

    3. Jeffrey Ivan Chang Guest

      Have you read Heller?

    4. Jeffrey Chang Guest

      "The Second Amendment clearly stipulates that gun ownership is reserved only for the military and law enforcement."

      So in a document that limits government power over the citizens they suddenly decided to give themselves significant power?

      "how can anyone go against the US government that possesses the biggest nuclear arsenal in the world?"

      So if a bunch of militia take over invade Martha Vineyard the solution is nukes? That is quite a strategy.

      So...

      "The Second Amendment clearly stipulates that gun ownership is reserved only for the military and law enforcement."

      So in a document that limits government power over the citizens they suddenly decided to give themselves significant power?

      "how can anyone go against the US government that possesses the biggest nuclear arsenal in the world?"

      So if a bunch of militia take over invade Martha Vineyard the solution is nukes? That is quite a strategy.

      So when the militia launches activity in NYC do all five boroughs get nuked?

      How about if they were in a town with important military equipment?

      Dropping a nuke on that base and the town?

  13. Vinay Guest

    Someone bringing a legal firearm to a TSA security checkpoint is a civil violation - not a criminal one. Placing someone on a no fly list for this is excessive. It's amazing how detached from reality city folks have become. I suggest all city dwellers to rent a car, drive 2 hours from your city and spend a day in rural America. You won't melt, I promise, and you may end up learning something along the way.

    1. Eve Guest

      You do understand that a gun can cause more harm inside the aircraft then just a legal owner carrying it with them?

      what do you plan to do when your LOADED handgun accidentally fires inside the cabin and depressurises it? Who is gonna take responsibility in that emergency

      There are responsible and LEGAL ways of carrying guns, do that! Not put it in your carry-on loaded!!

    2. John Guest

      You haven’t explained why someone in a rural area needs a gun. My BIL always has a gun on him and lives out in country. Has he ever needed it even once in 30 years? No. OK then what’s the need?

    3. john cocktosin Guest

      I've been driving for 30 years and never needed an airbag so why do I even need one?

    4. TravelinWilly Diamond

      "I've been driving for 30 years and never needed an airbag so why do I even need one?"

      You're right, you don't.

      Get rid of your airbag. All it's doing is adding weight to your car and causing you to use even more of Joe Biden's expensive gas.

      Really, please get rid of that airbag.

    5. Jeffrey Chang Guest

      "My BIL always has a gun on him and lives out in country. Has he ever needed it even once in 30 years? No. OK then what’s the need?"

      Some people in rural areas have never needed police patrols either. We can just eliminate them and have the police respond to calls for assistance the same as cable repairmen.

    6. Ray Guest

      It’s the only way they “feel like a MAN”. People that carry everywhere, if not due to a legal harassment case, are simply cowards that need mental help. The entire concept of owning guns other than hunting rifles is absurd. America is now one step ahead of Mexico.

    7. NYGuy24 Diamond

      wow dude. You going to tell us what makes a man now? Countless people are shot and robbed by criminals with guns. I guess you are such a badass that if you were confronted by a guy with a gun you would disarm him with your bare hands huh? There have been cases with entire households murdered during a home invasion. Most recently the four students in Idaho that were stabbed to death. Too bad you weren't there to protect them tough guy.

    8. Ray Guest

      Keep watching John Wayne and feeling tough. You all carry guns and keep killing each other. The world will be better off toughboy.

    9. Jeffrey Chang Guest

      "Keep watching John Wayne and feeling tough. You all carry guns and keep killing each other. The world will be better off toughboy."

      Do you support the elimination of uniformed officers from police and making the entire system of law enforcement detective / investigator only. I ask because I believe its somewhat hypocritical / irrational to rely on armed people when they rarely show up on time.

  14. Kendall Guest

    Considering that I've forgotten to empty my water bottle before entering TSA on several occasions, I can somewhat understand how somebody might forget that they're carrying a firearm if it's part of their everyday carry. Still very irresponsible though

    1. Babblespeak Guest

      I’m not convinced. If someone can’t remember if they’re carrying a firearm or not, I think they are incompetent and shouldn’t be allowed to carry one at all. A gun being on par with a water bottle is a false equivalency.

  15. Vinay Guest

    People getting their guns confiscated by TSA are probably stupid, but let's not confuse them for terrorists. I would wager good money that overwhelming majority of these people have clean backgrounds, law abiding, and own their guns legally. I will never understand the irrational fear liberals have of legal guns. I personally feel safer when I see someone strapped walking around a store. The irony is that the same people that are scared of legal...

    People getting their guns confiscated by TSA are probably stupid, but let's not confuse them for terrorists. I would wager good money that overwhelming majority of these people have clean backgrounds, law abiding, and own their guns legally. I will never understand the irrational fear liberals have of legal guns. I personally feel safer when I see someone strapped walking around a store. The irony is that the same people that are scared of legal gun owners have no problem living in hell hole cities where illegal guns kill dozens of people every weekend.

    1. Eve Guest

      What kind of a dumb logic is this??? 88% of those guns are loaded, it doesn’t matter if it is legal owners who do not plan to shoot up anything. Even one mistake shot while in air, it can hit a pax with no aid for a long amount of time or it hit the cabin body, which can cause rapid depressurisation that could lead to the entire aircraft getting destroyed

      Use your brains, not your political BS

    2. Ole Guest

      I bet you felt the same way growing up in hell holes of India. If you were born here, then may be your parents felt that way and came here. This whole argument about personal safety is BS. These gun nuts are so full of themselves that they think the whole world is out to get them. After living in India, SF, Detroit, Newark, and Jersey City without gun, I can say none of the cities are hell holes as these Fox News viewers make them out to be.

    3. Vinay Guest

      Sounds like you really loved those cities so much that you kept moving! Glad you survived to tell your tale.

      Thanks for assuming you know about my life history. I actually don't know my birth parents since I was adopted. Stay classy.

  16. Tim Dunn Diamond

    While I don't understand people who carry and don't know where their gun is at any time, the fact that the TSA IS finding weapons is indication that the system works.
    Mass shootings almost never happen with a single handgun and the amount of ammo in a single magazine. Carrying more ammo, additional magazines, or a larger weapon increase the chances of getting caught in an X-ray - reducing the risk.
    There is...

    While I don't understand people who carry and don't know where their gun is at any time, the fact that the TSA IS finding weapons is indication that the system works.
    Mass shootings almost never happen with a single handgun and the amount of ammo in a single magazine. Carrying more ammo, additional magazines, or a larger weapon increase the chances of getting caught in an X-ray - reducing the risk.
    There is little to no reason to believe that there will be "mass shootings" behind security by people that go through TSA security. The cases that have resulted in weapons getting passed security have largely been airline employees that have been able to bypass security.
    Let's also not forget that the worst terrorist event against aviation involved knives and there have been multiple threats and terrorism events that involved explosives that managed to get through security, often involving cargo.

  17. Dave Guest

    Yes, gun owners absolutely have a responsibility to be aware of where their firearms are. Every time I go through TSA though, I have a bit of a moment of panic, wondering if I still have one in the front pouch of my backpack or suitcase. And I check because I want to be absolutely certain. For people who carry every day, it is the same as tossing in a wallet or phone charger for...

    Yes, gun owners absolutely have a responsibility to be aware of where their firearms are. Every time I go through TSA though, I have a bit of a moment of panic, wondering if I still have one in the front pouch of my backpack or suitcase. And I check because I want to be absolutely certain. For people who carry every day, it is the same as tossing in a wallet or phone charger for a trip where maybe we aren't flying. So it is definitely on us to be aware of the location of any weapon, but it isn't uncommon for it to be such a regular thing that it is definitely possible to simply forget we had carried in that bag for a non-flying trip recently.

    I understand the mental disconnect of not understanding how it could possibly happen in the minds of people who don't daily carry, and I certainly uphold that a gun owner should think through this more carefully, but it doesn't surprise me at all that it happens fairly often. The other thing that always shows the disconnect between those who daily carry and those who don't is when they clarify that it was a "loaded gun". It would be far more likely that you would never forget about an unloaded gun, because it would be so outside the normal operation. For those who daily carry, an unloaded gun is pointless - just a paperweight.

    1. Patrick Guest

      Dave... do you think there should be harsher, more consistent penalties for those "forgetful" people?

    2. Dave Guest

      I think a steep financial penalty is fair. I don't know why pre-check being withdrawn helps anything other than it is a pain in the rear and maybe is punitive (and maybe that's not a bad thing), but suspending pre-check doesn't make that a safer flier. I don't think criminal charges, particularly on a first offense, is necessary.

      Two additional points: 1, if it is true, as Ben says, that for every gun they catch,...

      I think a steep financial penalty is fair. I don't know why pre-check being withdrawn helps anything other than it is a pain in the rear and maybe is punitive (and maybe that's not a bad thing), but suspending pre-check doesn't make that a safer flier. I don't think criminal charges, particularly on a first offense, is necessary.

      Two additional points: 1, if it is true, as Ben says, that for every gun they catch, 9 or more are not caught, then it is worth noting that those guns that go undetected have yet to be used nefariously, none of them have spontaneously and mysteriously "gone off" in the overhead bin, and there's no indication that I've seen when this is covered in the news that they are frequently catching people who are *intentionally* bringing these guns on the plane.

      2. We who carry like to talk about being "responsible, law-abiding gun owners". It is against the law to bring a gun through TSA. If we do it, even by accident, we aren't law-abiding. That's on us. But we're talking (from what I've seen) of *accidental* violation of the law, that has yet to cause damage or loss of life. So we need to police ourselves better, but anti-gun people likewise need to recognize that it isn't the boogeyman they are treating it as.

  18. Steve Diamond

    How many are checked vs carry-on?

    1. Ben Schlappig OMAAT

      @ Steve -- These are all carry-on bags. This doesn't include any weapons that may be checked.

    2. Steve Diamond

      Oh my very grim indeed. I wonder too how many are stopped in checked bags that do not have the proper storage and declarations to the airlines. I bet its massively more than this amount.

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TravelinWilly Diamond

"...I now have no TSA precheck due to no fault of my own." Yeah, no. It's your fault. Show some personal responsibility.

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ConcordeBoy Diamond

"How was I supposed to know there was a gun in a side pocket in my suit case." K, now swap "gun" with "explosive," and you have the doom of at least three airliner disasters in history. If you and your S/O are that careless, then no, you SHOULDN'T be subject to expedited security.

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Eve Guest

You do understand that a gun can cause more harm inside the aircraft then just a legal owner carrying it with them? what do you plan to do when your LOADED handgun accidentally fires inside the cabin and depressurises it? Who is gonna take responsibility in that emergency There are responsible and LEGAL ways of carrying guns, do that! Not put it in your carry-on loaded!!

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