ANA Schedules New 777 Cabins On More Routes

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ANA has now scheduled their reconfigured 777s (with new first and business class seats) to a third destination, which is an awesome development!

ANA’s New First & Business Class

In early July, All Nippon Airways revealed a brand new first & business class product. This caught many of us off guard for a couple of reasons:

  • I wasn’t aware that ANA was even working on a new first & business class product; while other airlines hype new products for years, they announced this just weeks before it entered service
  • Both first & business class look spectacular; in particular, business class looks on par with Qatar Airways’ Qsuites, if not better

The new first class hard product looks very good, though not cutting edge. Crucially, it addresses some of the issues with the previous versions of the suites, like the lack of being able to look out the window or talk to a neighbor.

Meanwhile in business class their hard product does look cutting edge, as each business class seat has a door, and looks very wide.

ANA’s New 777-300ER Routes

Not surprisingly, a lot of people are hoping to fly in ANA’s new cabins, given how impressive they look. Now a third route will be getting them.

ANA’s New 777-300ER Cabins To London Heathrow

ANA began offering these new cabins between Tokyo Haneda and London Heathrow as of the beginning of August 2019. Their daily flight in the market features these seats consistently.

ANA’s New 777-300ER Cabins To New York JFK

In late October ANA announced that they’d start flying reconfigured 777s between Tokyo and New York as of November 8, 2019.

ANA operates two daily flights to New York JFK — one from Tokyo Haneda, and one from Tokyo Narita. The catch is that initially they only had a single reconfigured 777-300ER dedicated to the New York route, meaning that fewer than half of the flights featured the new cabins (since it takes more than one aircraft to complete a daily rotation).

Fortunately they have more planes in service, and as of January 1, 2020, all ANA flights to New York JFK will feature the new first & business class products. The airline has just recently updated their seatmaps to reflect that.

Note that as of now only flights from January 1 through March 28, 2020, show the new cabins. That’s not because ANA plans on taking the planes off the New York route as of that date, but rather because that’s the end of the winter schedule. It’s normal for airlines to only make updates like this for the seasonal schedule.

I’d assume that the route will continue to feature reconfigured 777s in the summer season as well.

ANA’s New 777-300ER Cabins To Frankfurt

We’ve known all along that Frankfurt would be the next city to get reconfigured the new product, and that’s now finally scheduled.

ANA will begin offering their new cabins between Tokyo Haneda and Frankfurt as of February 1, 2020. The airline operates two daily flights, and specifically, the following flight will feature the new cabins:

NH203 Tokyo Haneda to Frankfurt departing 12:50AM arriving 5:20AM
NH204 Frankfurt to Tokyo Haneda departing 11:30AM arriving 6:55AM (+1 day)

What Route Is Next?

All Nippon Airways hasn’t publicly stated what the next routes to get the new product will be. It seems that ANA is focusing on their most premium routes first, so if I had to guess, I’d assume that Los Angeles and/or San Francisco would be next.

Other cities with first class service include Chicago, Houston, and Washington.

The thing is, I’m not sure we’ll see many more planes featuring the new cabins anytime soon:

  • All Nippon Airways has just taken delivery of four brand new 777-300ERs, all featuring the new cabins
  • All Nippon Airways has also started reconfiguring some 777-300ERs, but I expect we won’t be seeing a lot of that come March, given that it will be the start of busy season ahead of the Olympics

So my point is that it’s possible we’ll see an extra plane (or so) reconfigured in February or early March, but I think it’s a sure bet that the airline won’t be doing any work on planes during Cherry Blossom and/or the Olympics, because they need those planes to be flying.

How To Tell If Your Flight Features ANA’s New Cabins

Want to tell based on the seatmap if your flight will feature ANA’s new cabins? The easiest way to tell is to look at the business class seatmap:

  • The new business class cabin has 64 seats, while the old cabin has either 52 or 68 seats
  • If the business class cabin goes to row 20, then it’s the new business class; otherwise it’s the old business class

Bottom Line

All All Nippon Airways flights to London and New York JFK feature the new 777s (well, as of January 1, at least). On top of that, as of February 1, 2020, the Frankfurt route will feature new cabins.

It’s anyone’s guess which route is next, though I would have to assume Los Angeles is among their next targets. I’m not convinced we’ll necessarily see the new product rolled out at the same pace in 2020, though, given that the airline isn’t taking delivery of any more 777s, and given that they’re not going to be taking planes out of service to reconfigure them during the busy season.

Comments
  1. That’s actually quite interesting since typically the inbound HND and NRT aircraft swap routes in JFK. The inbound HND aircraft returns to NRT and vice versa.

  2. I think it’s Haneda/Narita New York, not just Haneda New York.

    “Starting in winter 2019 the plane will also serve the Tokyo (Haneda/Narita) = New York route followed by the Haneda = Frankfurt route.”

  3. I’m not following the configuration. We have tickets for March on a 77W and the old configuration is 52 business class seats, not 68.

  4. I’ve been looking for award seats on this route in the winter, and basically there isn’t any in F or J. Especially for two. I was anticipating this development, but I guess others were too. In the end I booked JAL F instead.

  5. Wow, this is great news. We’re getting a big increase in seats to Tokyo now from JFK hearing this news, (mostly just more business seats) and now United is going Double Daily to Tokyo from EWR!!!

    United is ensuring it’s dominant position in the Asian market with its partners and service from NYC, way to go.

    Really seems like United is courting the international Business traveler as it’s the US Airline to expand aggressively in NYC. They serve India 2, 2 Chinese cities + Hong Kong, (Singapore through partner), this is 4 frequency to Tokyo (1/2 United metal, half ANA).

    Plus on Europe, they are ensuring their success by adding new European markets (Naples/Prague) and upgrading existing services to the 787–10.

  6. @Lucky
    Do you have any idea when United is going to be releasing new summer European routes for 2020?

  7. Hoping for west coast routes (LAX, SFO) before the Olympics next summer!

    Since there are a total of 12 planes that are either new or being configured, and with these routes using 6 planes (I think – 2 LHR; 2 JFK; 2 FRA), there is only a few routes left that ANA will announce. Most 777W’s fly to the US as well.

    Anyone have any thoughts on where logically the next routes will be?

  8. Booked an award ticket through Aegean to fly this config in first class from LHR-HND in April. Really looking forward to experiencing the new seat and amazing Japanese service!

  9. I think the economy class is different as well… now 10 up. My seats were changed on a flight near halloween

  10. Great news!
    No doubt many of your British readers will be moaning about how the seats look (and feel) like coffins.
    Not sure where their obsession with coffins comes from…..

  11. Weird that another Matt just posted what I was gonna say about the Olympics.

    I do think they have an interest in getting their routes done before the Olympics, anywhere. This is the time when they are going to get the most business ever to attract new customers.

    I would expect the major markets in US next. So, probably SF and LA. Then Chicago. Then everywhere else. SF and LA are the highest likelihood before the Olympics, I’d guess.

  12. I have a Tokyo to New York flight in F scheduled for first week in November so I’m not optimistic I will get the new cabin but you never know.

  13. Just flew HND-JFK today, and the plane they used contained the new seats. Perhaps they’re rolling it out ahead of schedule.

  14. I’m curious about the J seat: as Lucky noted, it looks incredibly wide — more like a bench than an individual seat. Are there no armrests? I can’t see any in the images, but they might just not be showing up. I am struggling to see how a wide bench with no armrests is good for sitting, although I expect it will be fabulously spacious for sleeping…

    Anyone flown it yet?

  15. I will give it a try eventually but I have to admit I am wary. Those Business Class seats look like old school European train bench seats.

  16. @The Nice Paul, – I had the same question when they originally announced it. It looks great for sleeping, but for sitting upright or lounging it looks like it may be uncomfortable to not have an arm rest. Overall though, it looks like a massive improvement on their current seat, and am excited to try it.

  17. let’s see how long before someone proclaims DL is winning the hearts and wallets of New Yorkers by offering zero own metal flights to East Asia and only ICN through JV metal

  18. @The Nice Paul; @GuruJanitor: I’m not sure what ANA plans to do but Singapore Airlines would provide a sort of portable armrest hard rectangular cushion on their wide business class seats. You could use this as an armrest when up right and then pick it up and put it on the floor or elsewhere when sleeping.

  19. @The Nice Paul and @GuruJanitor: God Save the Points has already flown and reviewed the new J seat from ANA, which he thinks ranks higher than the Qsuite. Google his review for details on the seat.

    Doesn’t seem like there’s an armrest for the wide seat.

  20. FRA-HND has 2 flights daily (NH204 and NH224). Are there any clues to which flight will get the reconfigured seats? If both routes get it, then they will need more than 3 planes since westbound flights are more than 12 hours each way.

  21. @Lucky
    Do you remember how long it took for all flights on the London route to be retrofitted? Any idea on how long we should expect the same for the JFK flights?
    Thx.

  22. I have F award flights from Houston to Narita and back for Feb-March. I am wondering if switching to NYC-Haneda is possible as I have an ongoing flight to Mumbai from Haneda.

  23. Hi! Just update I think now there are more flights from NRT/HND-JFK is the suite now! I briefly check the Jan and Feb schedule, looks like only 1-2 days in each week from each airport have the old products, otherwise, they were all new products now!

    Henry

  24. New cabin will be on
    NH203 (Haneda 00:50 – Frankfurt 05:20)
    NH204 (Frankfurt 11:30 – Haneda 06:50)

    Old cabin on
    NH223 (Haneda 11:20 – Frankfurt 15:20)
    NH224 (Frankfurt 20:45 – Haneda 16:15)

  25. Are there any information available when the new cabin will be available on the other HND-FRA flight (NH223/224)?

  26. NH should go all New F/J on JFK-TYO in theory. However, when I just checked my PNR, only one of the two flights is updated to reflect The Room in J, with prior email notification.

    Feb 28, 2020 NH9 JFK-NRT still showing the old staggered J config
    Mar 9, 2020 NH10 NRT-JFK New J The Room displayed

  27. Are all of the 212 seat 77W’s slated to be reconfigured, or just a subset? I.e., would it be a good indication if a future flight shows a 212 seat “old config”?

  28. @lucky : just did the Flying Honu A380 in seat 2A couple weeks ago, west bound. While not *exactly* the same as the newest and greatest product, the differences are minor other than smaller TV (32″ instead of 42″).

    WiFi was very fast (JAL’s 77W on way back was much slower WiFi). Live CNN that is time-sync with US East Coast programming was very watchable, unlike the constant buffering i experience on AA A321T just over the weekend trying to watch CNN on their wifi portal site.

    I was somewhat blessed this year cuz i flew the blue honu, saw the turquoise one at Narita, and 2 months earlier saw the orange one being assembled at Toulouse.

  29. @AndyPBINYC : i just flew the Honu and they have it. I didn’t verify the new 77W seat has it or not but very likely they will

  30. @The Nice Paul; @GuruJanitor — Where does it say lie-flat? You’re supposed to just curl up in the fetal position.

  31. Would it be possible to book, say, ORD-NRT-ORD via VS and then change the outbound and/or return later if space opens up on the JFK-NRT or TYO-NRT route? Setting aside the likelihood of that happening, just wondering if it’s possible.

  32. Flew the new ANA first suite JFK-HND and NRT- JFK. Thanks VA miles!. Truly excellent hard product. ANA service and food has always been excellent and the new cabins feel very lux. The seat is just right not too hard or soft. I am 6’1 and the space was more than adequate. The new suite vs the old one allows you to look out the window and they have installed new electric shades (with a 1 touch for all windows) The monitor is almost too big but very clear- pity about the selection.

  33. Does anyone know when they plan to update April, May, or June schedules? I have a flight coming up and I’m not sure if ANA will notify me when my seat has changed due to the new co figuration, so I’d like to be on top of it to make a seating change if necessary.

  34. Hi guy,

    Just got a message from ANA regarding the route FRA-HND:


    …The aircraft scheduled for NH204 on September 5, 2020 is regrettably not the
    one with the Suite…

    Bad message for me since booked om the NH204.

    Emick

  35. It seems seat maps for the Frankfurt route have been updated until 28 March to reflect that NH204 will have the new business class (The Room). Not sure this means they will use the old cabin configuration again starting in April – or maybe seat maps for the summer period will be updated at a later point in time?

  36. Hi Thomas,

    Thanks for this!

    Happy to hear it – and yes – I hope the new cabins (both C & F) will remain on the aircraft even in APR and onward.

    When I checked the seat map last time (1 week ago) still saw the old configuration… let’s hope 😉

    Have a great day!

    Emick

  37. Does anyone know what the chances are that ANA will offer the new cabins on the second FRA-HND (NH224) flight before introducing them on a different route?

  38. @Sharon comes across as a promoter from UA PR department. In what way is this news article about United, Sharon? Pathetic really.

  39. Looking to book LAX – Tokyo for Cherry Blossom season in April and I’m really torn. All my choices are the same price. AA/JAL to help keep my status going (Platinum), SQ for service plus I have some UA miles I can add to, DL to try the new One Suites (no miles with DL currently), or ANA simply for the gamble that the aircraft will be upgraded to The Room between now and then. Help!

  40. Anyone have any experience of changing redemption flights with ANA? flying from Frankfurt next month booked through Virgin Atlantic and I’m booked on the older plane both directions

  41. So I tried to book one of these new ANA flights that are labeled on the United award site as “Subject to government operating authority” and Virgin is unable to see the space. Anyone have any luck booking them?

  42. @lisfranc – I just booked two tickets SFO – HND round trip in F for Aug/Sept 2020. I found the award space on the ANA website and called VA to book. The whole process was very easy.

  43. hello,

    I just received an email from ANA that the aircraft or the operating airline for my reserved flight has been changed. this is the flight from ORD-NRT , HND to ORD in April 2020. does anyone know if they are changing it to the new 777 cabin? i tried to look in my reservation but I cant see anymore details what have changed.

    thank you

  44. I’m booking a year in advance for Feb-2021. Will one expect to see all US-routes with new cabins by then? Or are they keeping some planes with no retrofit?

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