Lol: New Lufthansa Business Class Delayed To 2024

Lol: New Lufthansa Business Class Delayed To 2024

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Lufthansa is expected to soon introduce its new premium cabin seats, which will be known as Allegris. This will include a new business class product (to be installed initially on newly delivered A350s and 787s), as well as a new first class product (to be installed initially on newly delivered A350s).

Lufthansa’s rollout of its new premium cabins has been the laughing stock of the industry for years. Lufthansa announced its new business class in 2017, and six years later, not a single aircraft has these new cabins. Lufthansa’s new business class was supposed to debut this summer, but has now been delayed even more…

Lufthansa’s Allegris business class now debuting in 2024

As flagged by YHBU, during its Q2 2023 earnings presentation, Lufthansa has revealed an update about its new planned Allegris business class. As recently as a few months ago, Lufthansa’s plan was to introduce this new business class shortly, though that’s no longer the case.

Lufthansa is now anticipating introducing its new Allegris business class as of the spring of 2024:

  • The first plane with the Allegris business class will be Lufthansa’s sixth Boeing 787-9 (the first five were intended for Hainan Airlines, and have a different product), and that will be delivered in 2024
  • Shortly after that, the first Airbus A350-900 with the new interiors will enter service

The Boeing 787-9s will be in a three cabin configuration (with business class, premium economy, and economy), while the Airbus A350-900s will be in a four cabin configuration (with first class, in addition to the other three cabins).

However, Lufthansa is having issues with its new Allegris first class, so the expectation is that these planes will be delivered without a first class cabin altogether for the time being. So odds are that those A350s will be flying around with the front of the plane just totally empty for some amount of time.

Lufthansa is blaming the delay in getting these new planes into service on suppliers. And, I mean, fair enough, it’s not like Lufthansa really had time to work with suppliers to make sure these seats were delivered on time. After all, the airline only had *checks notes* six years.

Lufthansa’s new Allegris business class

Is this the worst airline product rollout ever?

A genuine question — has any airline ever done a worse job with rolling out a premium product? To Lufthansa’s credit, the initial issue was that these new cabins were supposed to debut on Boeing 777-9s, and those planes have been delayed by at least five years.

However, Lufthansa has taken delivery of all kinds of new jets since then featuring the carrier’s outdated business class product, and is only finally now starting the process of introducing this product on A350s and 787s.

At this point, best case scenario it will be seven years from when the product was announced to when it actually enters service. And that’s best case scenario. And that’s just for business class, while first class is being delayed even further. And that’s just the start of the product being rolled out.

Lufthansa’s new Allegris first class

Bottom line

We can now expect Lufthansa’s Allegris business class product to debut in the spring of 2024, first on Boeing 787s, and then on Airbus A350s. The airline is reportedly having issues with getting the seats punctually from the supplier. And this is the lesser of Lufthansa’s two premium product issues, as the first class seems to be even more delayed.

What do you make of Lufthansa’s business class delay?

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  1. peter Boulton Guest

    I think this whole Allegris debacle is a total screw up.Things need to be simple.Who on earth is going to want to sit in that ridiculous centre'Suite?!!'.I also am not crazy about walls in first class almost to the roof. Then there is the over complicated Business class with[apparently] varying prices depending on where you choose to sit. I think they should rethink the whole thing with some urgency-------and keep the layout for both cabins SIMPLE.

  2. Bonny Smith Guest

    I am just shocked people waste their money buying Business class on Lufthansa.

  3. Peter Guest

    I don't like this awful office-cubicles. It is like a prison. Actually I'm happy that Lufthansa has an open business-class and not this locked-down thing Brithish-Airways uses.

    I'm happy. From my point of view a better screen would be enough. Anyway there is a window, champagne or hopefully a nice passenger to chat in the near.

    Lufthansa hopefully reconsiders this already. Just because others use office-cubicles it isn't good.

  4. EK_engineer Guest

    LH = Lose (all) Hope

  5. Javed Abdulla Guest

    Lufthansa lost the plot a long time ago, when Carsten Spohr took over to be precise. It is no longer a premium airline but languishes somewhere near the bottom between aer lingus and Ryanair. Air France is now the only European airline that is on a par with premium international carriers.

  6. German Guest

    Only me thinks that the new business class seats are very bad? First of all, I don't understand why they don't have a door like the rest of their competitors (AIR FRANCE, KLM, BRITISH, IBERIA). I also believe that it is not good that all the seats have different characteristics and benefits. They should all be homogeneous and there should be no difference between them. BUSINESS +, BUSINESS PREMIUM, BUSINESS ELITE, etc. For me this new concept is rubbish.

  7. Andy Diamond

    Unfortunately, no surprise. That's how they manage the airline in general.

  8. Thomas Guest

    the Duke Nukem Forever of business class seats :D

  9. LHZ Guest

    Can’t wait for the sixstarhansa livery to celebrate this success from Lufthansa!

  10. STEFFL Gold

    WHEN do people finally realize, that this Lufthansa-Group thing is 1 entire JOKE!
    One of the most corruptive airline groups worldwide and spend money for nothing on false marketing . . . thing is, those who do a great job there get less while those who fuck up time after time get more. AND even worse, some stupid passengers still pay PREMIUM for that. :-) :-)
    UNBELIEVABLE

    1. Heathrow_LHR Guest

      How does one respond to this, other than with LOL?

  11. John Guest

    Just like the 'new' Berlin airport which already looks dated in 2023, the 'new' seats will be dated when they *eventually* get installed.

  12. Jay Guest

    Cheap LH. As I write this, I am waiting for luggage for a party of four for what I anticipate would be 60hours. LH only flies to my current location (in Europe) 2-3 times a week and would only send luggage via LH metal, even though there are plenty of other options available. Then, they haggle with the customer for compensation.

  13. TheBestBlackBrent Diamond

    Just today saw plenty of their fleet still in the old livery, which also has been around for a few years. This rollout will go well into 2030, lol.

  14. Justin Guest

    It's really weird how when Lufthansa's new product gets delayed, we understand that the holdup is because of suppliers like Boeing, yet when United's Polaris and NEXT get held back by supply chain issues involving suppliers like Safran and Panasonic, we blame United

    1. Heathrow_LHR Guest

      Who's "we?"

      It's not a difficult concept to grasp, doesn't mean people are going to be happy about it.

  15. Mark in Sydney Guest

    It’s Brandenburg Airport all over again

    1. Fergus Guest

      I think LH are certifiable for choosing the Allegris layout anyway. Hardly any two seats are the same - which they promote as “choice”. But for us fool passengers, what choice? - only if you are the first in to book a particular cabin. After the few couples together seats are gone, that is that - then you are forced to sit apart. The first class is laughable - we like the current arrangement. We...

      I think LH are certifiable for choosing the Allegris layout anyway. Hardly any two seats are the same - which they promote as “choice”. But for us fool passengers, what choice? - only if you are the first in to book a particular cabin. After the few couples together seats are gone, that is that - then you are forced to sit apart. The first class is laughable - we like the current arrangement. We choose one seat behind the other because we like windows. We can still dine together (wish Emirates would fix this). On the new cabin, we would be separated by the pair-pod (and walls) in the middle. That pair arrangement is never going to work - awful idea. Along with a comlpcayed “every seat a different price” concept. BONKERS

      The Cathay/Finnair herringbone idea is a great idea - every seat is the SAME - same distance from the window for those on the side; lots of centre pairs. You know if you book the last seat on the plane, it’s the same space, comfort, storage as every other seat. On the new LH Allegris, this is def not the case.

    2. Heathrow_LHR Guest

      "After the few couples together seats are gone, that is that - then you are forced to sit apart."

      That's the case with any given 1-2-1 configuration, as well. You aren't guaranteed that center seats will have an available seat adjacent, especially the later you book.

      And quite frankly, if you're so whipped that you can't bear to sit apart from another adult for a few hours, then that speaks to an issue far beyond what any airline can solve.

  16. Ulf Schroeder Guest

    That Shows Just the state the whole country is in .we were famous for looking for perfection and providing Superior quality.nowadays many Things feel to be handled better in any third world country . BER IS a good example . I have doubts about 24 to be the year to introduce this Just average Project .

    1. tda1986 Diamond

      Tell me you’ve never been to a third world country without telling me you’ve never been to a third world country…

    2. Frog Guest

      Couldn’t agree more. Germany has totally lost the plot. I recently flew LH from FRA to Asia and realized that this flight had been delayed by more than an hour every single day for the last month. LH, FRA, BER, Deutsche Bahn…everything is complete mess.

    3. Traveller Guest

      OMG you are so right about Deutsche Bahn. On our most recent trip absolutely every DB train we took was delayed, cancelled, or both. Still trying to get refunds for the hundreds of extra Euros we had to pay out of pocket.

  17. AK Guest

    Just flew business on LH from BOS-MUC-BOM-FRA-BOS. LH business has to be the worst business class of all in terms of seats, space, storage, privacy and food in the 380, 340 and 330. Should have flown BA or Qatar.

  18. Deborah Thorpe Guest

    Joke of a airline Poor poor customer service if they don't do something about there shocking customer service they won't be around long enough to provide a posh class

  19. Chris Guest

    I used to think of Germany as the model for planning and efficiency but Berlin Brandenburg Airport and LH new business class have convinced me that, at least for the airline sector, this is no longer the case!

    1. Santos Guest

      They do some things extremely well, for sure. But public works and bureaucratic efficiency sadly often do not fit the German model. TXL was a freakin' dump—unbelievable for a first world capital.

      None of the maxims we hear are completely accurate. Take Japan. People who say "Japanese trains never have a delay" have never relied on the Yamanote Line to get to work every morning. Trust me, they do.

    2. Jan Guest

      as a german: Berlin is NOT germany. Berlin is a fail city of left wing socialist. Living in Frankfurt or Munich is much more German

    3. Antonio Guest

      In particular the junkies of Frankfurt Hauptbanhof... It looks a last of us series chapter... Disgusting, odd...

    4. Dariusz Guest

      I have moved here eight years ago you don't have to believe me but the whole country is like that . Everything changes in life but here changes four worst .

    5. Antonio Guest

      And dont forget any trip, or layover ive done thru FRA (more than 6 last two years waiting time for luggage has been over 1 hour - once 2,45 hrs - inmigration a bit better. No strike day). Uh i forgot they are always on strike... It has to be the left that no-idea-man Jan was trying to get in the thread.
      What left is in DE??? Is AfD left????

  20. Sam Guest

    I wonder if the folks in charge of BER were hired by LH to lead this project?

  21. George Guest

    Just like British Airways, Lufthansa is a shadow of its own past.
    If they used to be on the forefront of the airline innovation, they are certainly not anymore.
    They could do just like the rest of the others do in terms of soft product and to differentiate they should improve the soft product to the max. But no.

  22. G6 Guest

    In other news, Lufthansa keeps printing money.

  23. S_LEE Gold

    I'm pretty sure their old 2-2-2 config business class will still be flying in the 2030s. Retrofitting their current fleet with Allegris will take even longer than getting the new A350s and 787s.

  24. Willem Guest

    They’re making United’s 5 year Polaris rollout look lightning fast LOL

    1. jetset Gold

      More like 6.5 since they got their first Polaris aircraft end of 2016 but I was thinking the same thing lol.

      In what felt like such a drawn out reconfig process for United... LH has announced, and still not installed a single plane with their new seat!

    2. Justin Guest

      exactly, I'm surprised that LH hasn't gotten as much criticism that United has gotten so far, and most of the criticism about Lufthansa is against Skytrax or Boeing and not directly against Lufthansa.

  25. Alan Guest

    So that laughable Skytrax 5-star award, based primarily on their proposed new business class product, was only award...... *checks notes*...... 7 years too early?

    1. BenjaminGuttery Diamond

      LOL, so true

    2. TravelCat2 Gold

      So, once LH places in service an aircraft with the new seats in both business and first class, will they be ranked as 6-star by Skytrax?

    3. stogieguy7 Diamond

      My first thought as well. What a joke both Skytrax and LH are!

  26. James Guest

    I mean Lufthansa is still lightyears ahead of the Berlon airport rollout.

  27. Lukas Guest

    Am I the only one who thinks that the middle seats of the first row in business looks better than the middle section of first for a couple? Sure, no real doors, but you don’t have to share one seat and one TV, and it looks more practical in terms of storage. Oh well, I guess we’ll have to wait a couple of more years to find out ;)

    1. Vito Guest

      Also, every arm has an armrest…

    2. Jan Guest

      middle section of first will only be sold to one person. Only if this person phones and insist of having someone with him in this section they book two persons on it. But they only try this middle suite in one play. if no one likes it they want to do two normal business suites into the middle. I think that will be the case

  28. Hans Guest

    Good news for award space so I am not complaining

    1. Dolphin Guest

      Is it? I still can't seem to find any meaningful business award space on LH.

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Alan Guest

So that laughable Skytrax 5-star award, based primarily on their proposed new business class product, was only award...... *checks notes*...... 7 years too early?

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S_LEE Gold

I'm pretty sure their old 2-2-2 config business class will still be flying in the 2030s. Retrofitting their current fleet with Allegris will take even longer than getting the new A350s and 787s.

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Willem Guest

They’re making United’s 5 year Polaris rollout look lightning fast LOL

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