UK Airline Startup Flypop Acquiring A330s

UK Airline Startup Flypop Acquiring A330s

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Flypop is an unusual UK airline startup that has been in the works for many years. The people behind the airline have reached an agreement to acquire aircraft, so the airline now appears to be closer to launching operations than ever before. A lot of questions about the airline remain, so let’s recap what we know.

Flypop signs lease agreement for A330s

Flypop has announced that it has signed “multiple aircraft lease deals” for Airbus A330-300s (it’s odd that the number of aircraft being leased hasn’t been disclosed). The deal was apparently signed with Irish leasing company Avalon, one of the world’s largest aircraft leasing companies.

Flypop claims to have been in discussions with multiple aircraft leasing companies, but Avalon “offered the most competitive rate and a pipeline of aircraft into 2023.”

Flypop intends to configure these A330-300s in a one class configuration with over 400 seats, meaning that the airline is presumably planning on a 3-3-3 configuration (rather than the typical 2-4-2 configuration on this plane).

The airline claims fares will be between £350 and £750, and will include a checked bag and meals for all passengers.

As Navdip Singh Judge, the CEO of Flypop, describes this development:

“As a twin-engine double-aisle wide-body that can carry over 400 passengers, the A330-300 aircraft will deliver everything we want to offer our flypop passengers, especially the lowest seat prices to India. With this lease deal we have been able to submit our AOC license application to the UK Civil Aviation Authority and expect our first flights to commence by October. And many thanks to the UK Government’s Future Fund for its financial assistance, which has enabled us to raise further funding. Increased flight connectivity, especially on new routes, will create much needed economic benefits for both the UK and India.”

Flypop’s planned routes

Flypop hopes to start by offering ultra low cost flights between London and India. The airline claims to be the “first British low cost airline flying from the UK to second cities of South Asia starting in India.”

Flypop plans to be based at London Stansted Airport, and fly initially to Amritsar and Ahmedabad, initially offering three weekly flights in each market. The airline is also targeting offering flights to Goa and Kolkata.

Flypop thinks this is a good time to start service

I’ve known about Flypop for years, but never really took the airline seriously. For example, in mid-2016 the airline announced it would start flying in late 2016, even though the airline didn’t have any of the things required to start an airline. That’s not how that works. 😉

Now the airline has actually signed some aircraft lease agreements, and argues this is a great time to start an airline:

“The incumbents have been badly wounded after 18 months without any revenue but plenty of costs and debt. flypop, on the other hand has avoided any exposure to the pandemic and consequently is in the unique and fortunate position to extract maximum advantage from the lower costs resulting from the crisis. flypop’s cost of entry is much lower now than it would have been pre-Covid-19. Low fares always stimulate greater demand. The sector is currently on the floor, but the market will return strongly.”

People over profit?

Interestingly the “pop” in “Flypop” standards for “people over profit.” I’m not certain this is still the case, but in 2016 the airline claimed it wanted to be a “caring capitalist” airline, and donate 51% of its profits to charities in both the UK and India.

Like I said, that was five years ago, and on top of that startup airlines rarely ever make a profit (if they do actually launch), so perhaps the whole thing is a moot point.

My thoughts on Flypop

I have a few different thoughts on Flypop.

First of all, I’m happy to hear that this airline is at least semi-serious. I had heard of this concept years ago, and for a long time I assumed it wasn’t any more serious than Global Ghana Airlines or Baltia. I’m still not convinced this airline will actually launch operations, but getting an aircraft leasing company to make a statement about a deal lends some credibility to this.

Is there merit to this business model, though, given that ultra low cost long haul airlines are almost never successful?

  • On the one hand, the airline will have a significant cost advantage compared to legacy airlines, and UK to India is a massive market
  • On the other hand, the reality is that fares between the UK and India are already quite low, and you can fly Qatar Airways and other Gulf carriers for roughly £400 roundtrip from London to both Amritsar and Ahmedabad
  • Personally I think most consumers would choose to select the superior experience offered by the Gulf carriers over the convenience of a nonstop flight on a 400+ seat A330, but I could be wrong

I’m curious to see how this plays out, and if Flypop does in fact launch.

Bottom line

Flypop is a new low cost carrier that plans to fly between London and secondary markets in India with 400+ seat A330s. The airline concept has been around for years and nothing ever came of it, but now a lease agreement has been signed for multiple aircraft.

I’ll be keeping an eye on this one.

What do you make of the Flypop concept?

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  1. R De

    Just now watched an interview with the CEO of FlyPop- A few things said in the interview and my thoughts- (I am an Airline employee, in a senior role, working in the low cost sector for a number of years)-

    1) The CEO said that the ticket price each way to India will be £99 GBP- that, if delivered could be a real game changer.
    2) Having said that, I am based in the...

    Just now watched an interview with the CEO of FlyPop- A few things said in the interview and my thoughts- (I am an Airline employee, in a senior role, working in the low cost sector for a number of years)-

    1) The CEO said that the ticket price each way to India will be £99 GBP- that, if delivered could be a real game changer.
    2) Having said that, I am based in the UK and am thinking, if I am on a vacation to India (normally the reason to go there + meet relatives) -would I prefer to go for a 99 pounds ticket with my family (including children) in a typical 'cattle class' situation- I probably would not unless that is the only choice available.
    3) The CEO appeared to suggest that the present cash burn is negligible- even if ignoring the lease costs- now right from crew costs + training + Engineering costs for a CAMO organisation setup + maintenance costs + other staffing and systems costs- not sure how that is deliverable with nil (ish) cash burn at the moment- this is with an estimate of starting the airline by Oct 2021.
    4) A few things said in the interview today appear to be fundamentally different to what is in this article- one of them being the pricing.
    5) In the past I have worked in some Indian private airlines and generally have found that the top management had only a part understanding about the thru life costs associated with the aircraft operations and a number of the private airlines collapsed financially there because of divergencies in the strategies. I only hope this is not the case with this FlyPop.
    6) Lastly, not sure if it is just me- The name FlyPop could be a branding issue for the airline.

    I hope that Flypop has done the due diligence in the business model and the structure and wish them all the best for the venture.

  2. Oliver O

    I've been travelling to India as a foreigner for 18 years (and lived there for 2) for work. I notice that most Indians prefer point to point, new aircraft and are very price sensitive.

    Flypop may have something here if the demand suits, and it may do as no one likes transferring in DEL or BOM where it could take 2 to 5 hours, depending on how busy it is.

    I usually fly...

    I've been travelling to India as a foreigner for 18 years (and lived there for 2) for work. I notice that most Indians prefer point to point, new aircraft and are very price sensitive.

    Flypop may have something here if the demand suits, and it may do as no one likes transferring in DEL or BOM where it could take 2 to 5 hours, depending on how busy it is.

    I usually fly the Gulf carriers as I like the service and comfort. But FlyPop isnt marketed to guys like me...and quite a few others above.

  3. A

    how long before the airline is referred to as JetPoop by the tabloid newspapers !

  4. Seat1C

    I have to admit I thought this was a joke, given the airline "JetPop" created by candidates on the UK version of The Apprentice a couple of years ago - where the expert judges from BA made clear they thought that the word "Pop" in an airline name would be a bit of a turn off, given the association with things blowing up!

    Worth a watch...https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p08v5vjx

    (And for our friends outside the UK, the British...

    I have to admit I thought this was a joke, given the airline "JetPop" created by candidates on the UK version of The Apprentice a couple of years ago - where the expert judges from BA made clear they thought that the word "Pop" in an airline name would be a bit of a turn off, given the association with things blowing up!

    Worth a watch...https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p08v5vjx

    (And for our friends outside the UK, the British version of the Apprentice is nothing like the one that the strange orange man used to present in America) - same format, but a much better and less ridiculous programme.

  5. vlcnc

    People do care about experience on the whole. It is why most people I know would rather stop in Dubai or Doha or anyone else to avoid the awful experiences they previously had in the past with the likes of Air India. I just can't see this being attractive at all unless there is a lot of work put into the experience and it is genuinely better. Every few years theres this idea for 'diaspora...

    People do care about experience on the whole. It is why most people I know would rather stop in Dubai or Doha or anyone else to avoid the awful experiences they previously had in the past with the likes of Air India. I just can't see this being attractive at all unless there is a lot of work put into the experience and it is genuinely better. Every few years theres this idea for 'diaspora airline' and they're always terrible and never take off if they even get that far. Will be an utter FLOP rather than flyPOP lmao.

  6. 747forever

    "Personally I think most consumers would choose to select the superior experience offered by the Gulf carriers over the convenience of a nonstop flight on a 400+ seat A330, but I could be wrong"

    I don't think the UK-India diaspora really care about "superior experience" (and definitely don't spent time reaserching onboard experiences!), and given that a lot of elderly/infirm and families with young children make up the passenger profile, a direct flight is a...

    "Personally I think most consumers would choose to select the superior experience offered by the Gulf carriers over the convenience of a nonstop flight on a 400+ seat A330, but I could be wrong"

    I don't think the UK-India diaspora really care about "superior experience" (and definitely don't spent time reaserching onboard experiences!), and given that a lot of elderly/infirm and families with young children make up the passenger profile, a direct flight is a serious selling point.

    Throughout Covid, these flights have been consistently busy; certainly "essential travel" is interpreted differently.

    STN is an interesting choice thoough, rather than somewhere further north.

  7. Alex

    There’s definitely a niche here for them. India to the UK and vice versa is a massive and sadly underserved market (especially to secondary cities, which they plan to focus on). Personally I probably wouldn’t fly with flypop just cause it’ll be a 400-seat A330, but I wish them luck!

  8. JW

    Speaking by experience, luggage I clusive fares will be critical to even make the route a success, a model like Norwegian or Level will not go well with this initiative, nor will fares being too closely pegged with the Gulf carriers. I can see operations shuttering within a year of commencement.

  9. Creditian

    Basically, it's not a UK airline but an India airline registered in UK.

  10. Ski023

    The cities like Amritsar and Ahmedabad have a native population with strong ties to family back in London/UK. A direct connection with lower fares than Air India, which is the only direct option right now, could make a compelling business case if executed properly.

  11. vlcnc

    Will fail. London is over served and much better options. Emirates is pretty ingrained in the South Asian community here and crucially flies from regions, as is Qatar. Turkish is also winning customers on price if not on service (crew can be pretty racist to South Asian pax in my experience).

  12. Mick

    I think with family direct always is an advantage. Not like economy on the gulf carriers is great...

    Speaking of UK carriers I just saw a Virgin Atlantic plane landat Ohare. Don’t see that too often.

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R De

Just now watched an interview with the CEO of FlyPop- A few things said in the interview and my thoughts- (I am an Airline employee, in a senior role, working in the low cost sector for a number of years)- 1) The CEO said that the ticket price each way to India will be £99 GBP- that, if delivered could be a real game changer. 2) Having said that, I am based in the UK and am thinking, if I am on a vacation to India (normally the reason to go there + meet relatives) -would I prefer to go for a 99 pounds ticket with my family (including children) in a typical 'cattle class' situation- I probably would not unless that is the only choice available. 3) The CEO appeared to suggest that the present cash burn is negligible- even if ignoring the lease costs- now right from crew costs + training + Engineering costs for a CAMO organisation setup + maintenance costs + other staffing and systems costs- not sure how that is deliverable with nil (ish) cash burn at the moment- this is with an estimate of starting the airline by Oct 2021. 4) A few things said in the interview today appear to be fundamentally different to what is in this article- one of them being the pricing. 5) In the past I have worked in some Indian private airlines and generally have found that the top management had only a part understanding about the thru life costs associated with the aircraft operations and a number of the private airlines collapsed financially there because of divergencies in the strategies. I only hope this is not the case with this FlyPop. 6) Lastly, not sure if it is just me- The name FlyPop could be a branding issue for the airline. I hope that Flypop has done the due diligence in the business model and the structure and wish them all the best for the venture.

Oliver O

I've been travelling to India as a foreigner for 18 years (and lived there for 2) for work. I notice that most Indians prefer point to point, new aircraft and are very price sensitive. Flypop may have something here if the demand suits, and it may do as no one likes transferring in DEL or BOM where it could take 2 to 5 hours, depending on how busy it is. I usually fly the Gulf carriers as I like the service and comfort. But FlyPop isnt marketed to guys like me...and quite a few others above.

A

how long before the airline is referred to as JetPoop by the tabloid newspapers !

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