Cathay Pacific Closing Toronto Crew Base

Cathay Pacific is unique among airlines in that they have quite a few foreign crew bases (having a couple of foreign bases isn’t unusual, but Cathay Pacific has a lot).

Cathay Pacific foreign crew bases

While many Cathay Pacific pilots and flight attendants are based in Hong Kong, they also have crews based in North America, including in Los Angeles, New York, San Francisco, Toronto, and Vancouver.

I don’t know of any other Asian airline that has North American based crews, so that does make them unique.

I’ve flown with crews from all five of their North American bases, and I find that they’re generally a mixed bag. In my experience the Hong Kong based crews are extremely polished and poised, while the North America based crews can be more fun and informal.

Whereas a Hong Kong based flight attendant might say “Mr. Schlappig, would you care for a glass of champagne?” a North America based flight attendant might say “want some champagne, honey?” 😉

Heck, last year I wrote about how I had a Cathay Pacific flight attendant who used to work for US Airways.

Cathay Pacific A350 Business Class

Cathay Pacific is closing their Toronto crew base

Cathay Pacific has been undergoing some cost cutting, and that has partly included freezes on hiring as well as some layoffs. The airline has historically had some issues with their North American bases.

For example, in 2016 Cathay Pacific’s 400+ US based flight attendants wanted to unionize, as Cathay Pacific had stopped contributing to social security and medicare for them. Cathay Pacific claimed they did this because they were a non-American employer, while it was also revealed that this would save them about a million dollars annually.

It looks like something even bigger will soon be happening for one of their North American crew bases. As reported by Danny Lee at the South China Morning Post, Cathay Pacific will be closing their Toronto flight attendant base, which will impact 120 people.

Cathay Pacific says that this base is “not commercially viable,” and in a memo has gone so far as to call it unsustainable. The airline hasn’t yet decided on the next steps, which means we’ll see whether these flight attendants are just laid off, if they’ll be given the option of transferring to other bases (New York, etc.), or what.

The union representing Cathay Pacific’s Canadian workers had the following to say:

CUPE is deeply dismayed by Cathay Pacific’s announcement that the company intends to close its Toronto base, which will cause more than 120 flight attendants to lose their jobs. Apart from our immediate concern for the welfare of these employees, who are hard-working members of CUPE 4088, we are also disappointed that the Employer would open its latest round of bargaining with this Local by announcing the closure of one of its bases.

Last month, Cathay Pacific announced it intends to contract out 100 per cent of its customer service agents at the Vancouver airport as of July 3, affecting another 46 of our members. This latest news—and the lack of consultation surrounding the decision—reflects a disturbing pattern of indifference by the Company toward its loyal employees, and a lack of respect for the unionized workplace.

Bottom line

While we don’t have an exact timeline yet, you can expect that if you’re flying Toronto to Hong Kong on Cathay Pacific you’ll soon consistently have Hong Kong crews rather than Toronto crews.

If these flight attendants are laid off that’s of course terrible news, and I wish them the best. I will say that in general I prefer flying with Hong Kong based crews rather than North America based crews, so in that sense I don’t mind Cathay Pacific “centralizing” flight attendants more.

I do find it interesting that Cathay Pacific says they don’t have plans to close any other North American bases, and that it was specifically the Toronto crew that was unsustainable. With how strong the USD is compared to the CAD, you’d think that US based crews would be more expensive than Canadian crews.

If you’ve flown with one of Cathay Pacific’s North America based crews, what was your experience like?

(Tip of the hat to Kevin)

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Daniel Guest

If you have issues with the service on Cathay, you have not flown with Air Canada, where getting one of those grannies to get you anything is a task. Toilet was not clean even once during the entire trip from YYZ-ICN or TPE-YYZ, food was served cafeteria style (meaning everything was just thrown on a plate) and don't ask for anything extra like a pillow, as you will need to justify your needs vs. wants. I have never had such bad experience with any airline on Business class. Would NEVER fly Air Canada on a long-haul again. (Don't have a choice on domestic flights)

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Kristofer Ho Guest

basically it’s very difficult for CX KA to hire local hk crew, CX tends to hire more taiwanese (due to language issues, taiwanese hospitality and some sort of government-related issue), they used to hire malaysian, but since all malaysian routes are now under KA, we shall see if CX wanna hire malaysian for KA. YYZ base is just too tiny, and flight schedule for CX on HKG YYZ route is not as comparable as YVR JFK LAX SFO LHR so far. I suspect BKK base won’t last long either

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Insider Guest

They closed the Toronto base because they are the most expensive base(out of the 5) to keep. Vancouver is the next one to be axed in my opinion because they are expensive to maintain with their high salary pay and other benefits they have because they are unionized as compared to the US ports. Last year CX fired all their ground staff and used a third party to hire cheaper ground staff instead. The reason why the other North American bases are still afloat is because their salary is low and no where close to HK based flight attendants. Do you know how much allowance do HK based crews get when they stay in LA for a 4-5 day pattern? Over $400-500 usd!!! Whereas for NY, LA or SF based crews staying in HK for their layovers only get about $200 USD. Do you see the comparison ? CX is not stupid, they wouldn't close a foreign base without a particular reason and that usually deals with money.

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CK Guest

Just flew CX business class from YYZ to HKG last month. Ther service is OK but the food again is disgusting.

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The Grim Corsair Guest

@ Hosea I've never seen you post anything other than judgemental childishness. Fyi, I'm always horny for airplanes and cute flight attendants (female, male, whatever you prefer) as I'm sure are many people visiting this blog ;) You should try it sometime! It's part of living life, as opposed to living under a rock. If you need some inspiration, check out my blog for some sexy airplane pics ;)

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