In June 2023, Philippine Airlines placed a major wide body aircraft order with Airbus. There’s now an exciting update, as the airline has taken delivery of the first of these jets, and we also now know exactly what we can expect onboard (thanks to Tran for flagging this). There’s both good and bad news…
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Philippine Airlines has nine Airbus A350-1000s on order
Philippine Airlines has nine Airbus A350-1000s on order. The first jet, with the registration code RP-C3510, has been delivered in December 2025, and all nine planes should join the fleet by 2028. Philippine Airlines is the first airline in Southeast Asia to take delivery of this plane.
This is part of the carrier’s ultra long haul fleet project, as the airline intends to use these planes to fly nonstop from Manila to North America, including to the East Coast of the United States and Canada. These are among the longest flights in the world.
The A350-1000 is the largest variant of Airbus’ A350 family. The plane has amazing economics and performance. It can fly up to 8,700 nautical miles nonstop, so it’s the longest range commercial jet in production today.
These nine aircraft will join Philippine Airlines’ existing Airbus A350 fleet, which consists of two A350-900s. Interestingly, Philippine Airlines actually shrunk its A350 fleet several years back.
In September 2021, Philippine Airlines filed for bankruptcy protection, given the rough state the industry was in. At the time, the airline had six Airbus A350-900s in its fleet, though it ended up getting rid of four of those jets in order to cut costs. Those planes ended up at Lufthansa, so Lufthansa has a subfleet of four A350s with a different configuration than usual.
So it’s noteworthy that less than two years later, the airline placed an order for a bunch of new A350-1000s. That obviously doesn’t seem very efficient, but then again, often bankruptcy protection happens to protect the short term survivability of a company. The A350s that were returned were leased rather than owned, which probably explains the decision.
At this point, Philippine Airlines’ wide body fleet consists of 11 Airbus A330-300s, two Airbus A350-900s, and 10 Boeing 777-300ERs. With the addition of the A350-1000, the carrier will have quite the varied long haul fleet.
If you’re curious about Philippine Airlines’ inflight product, read my A350-900 business class review and my 777-300ER business class review.
Philippine Airlines Airbus A350-1000s have 382 seats
What can passenger expected onboard Philippine Airlines’ new Airbus A350-1000s? The airline has a webpage dedicated to the plane, and there’s both good and bad news. The A350-1000s are equipped with 382 seats, in a three cabin configuration, with business class, premium economy, and economy. This is the highest density three cabin A350-1000 that you’ll find on any full service carrier.
In business class, Philippine Airlines has 42 seats, in a 1-2-1 configuration. Specifically, the airline has selected the popular reverse herringbone Collins Aerospace Super Diamond seat with a door. This is virtually identical to what you’ll find on Etihad’s A350-1000s. Seats have 42″ of pitch, 20.25″ of width, and have AC, USB-A, USB-C, and wireless charging, along with free Wi-Fi.
Premium economy is comprised of 24 seats, spread across three rows, in a 2-4-2 configuration. This looks like a pretty standard product, with seats having 38″ of pitch, 19″ of width, and 7″ of recline, along with AC, USB-A, and USB-C charging.
Now, here’s where it gets rough. Economy boasts 316 seats, in a 3-4-3 configuration. Seats have 32″ of pitch, 16.49″ of width, and 6″ of recline, with USB-A and USB-C charging.
Philippine Airlines is the first full service airline in the world to go 10 abreast in economy on the A350 (you’ll find a similar configuration on Air Caraibes and French Bee, but I wouldn’t consider those to be full service carriers). In fairness, the usable interior space of the A350 fuselage has been widened a bit thanks to the “new production standard” concept. However, this is still going to be a tight squeeze.
I’m happy to see the upgrades in business class, and I’m sure the economics of this plane will be great. However, executives at the airline might be stretching it a bit when they claim the planes will offer a “world-class experience,” at least in economy.
Bottom line
Philippine Airlines has placed an order for nine Airbus A350-1000s, and the first of these planes has just been delivered, with all expected to join the fleet by 2028. These planes will be used for ultra long haul routes, including to North America.
The cabins of these planes are a mixed bag, with some highs and lows. A350-1000s feature 382 seats, including business class suites with doors, premium economy, and a very tight economy product. I look forward to flying this plane!
What do you make of Philippine Airlines’ new A350-1000?
any mention of what the first route will be, and when it will be in service?
Way ahead of you!
https://www.aeroroutes.com/eng/251221-prnw25351
I'm surprised they start service to JFK in the next 2 weeks! I would've guessed they would wait for the second aircraft to start any long-haul service.
From the economic standpoint, it makes sense for PR to go 3-4-3 in economy when their main customers are Pilipinos. I'd think 3-4-3 in A350-1000 is similar to the 3-3-3 in A330-900 in Cebu Pacific, PR's main competitor in the Philippines.
I personally would not fly either configuration because of shoulder width (I am at least 1 inch wider than 16.5 inch), not because of being a fat a$$ like someone suggested (but that...
From the economic standpoint, it makes sense for PR to go 3-4-3 in economy when their main customers are Pilipinos. I'd think 3-4-3 in A350-1000 is similar to the 3-3-3 in A330-900 in Cebu Pacific, PR's main competitor in the Philippines.
I personally would not fly either configuration because of shoulder width (I am at least 1 inch wider than 16.5 inch), not because of being a fat a$$ like someone suggested (but that sure is another possible reason for others not to fly such narrow configuration).
MNL is relatively lower yielding destination; thus, no First Class and relatively smaller Business Class compared to other major carriers. The premium economy is a good addition that is not offered in their 77W.
United is doing well with up to 2 daily to MNL and a daily to CEB (UA also fly from Guam and Palau to MNL). I got a good deal early this year flying from LAS to MNL via SFO and came back from CEB to LAS via NRT and LAX for about $2700 in business class. The CEB-NRT segment is filled with a lot of Japanese visitors because no Japanese carriers fly to Cebu (not counting code-share) while both PR and 5J do.
I actually wouldn't mind considering such configuration on a short hop for the right price. I've been on bus and subway rides longer than say a MNL-HKG or MNL-CEB flight.
And PR does have some 9-abreast A330sas well. Roughly a decade ago, PRs former parent company San Miguel Corp. wanted to turn them into a hybrid carrier and in turn, wanted them to compete with Cebu rather than being it's own niche if that...
I actually wouldn't mind considering such configuration on a short hop for the right price. I've been on bus and subway rides longer than say a MNL-HKG or MNL-CEB flight.
And PR does have some 9-abreast A330sas well. Roughly a decade ago, PRs former parent company San Miguel Corp. wanted to turn them into a hybrid carrier and in turn, wanted them to compete with Cebu rather than being it's own niche if that makes sense. Once its current parent company bought the remaining shares back, you saw PR become a premium carrier again with the refurbishment of the A330s into a more "standard" configuration.
That's true PR has those 3-3-3 A330-300s. I did fly MNL-CEB last month, and I picked the PR A321 over the A330s for that reason alone.
Aside from domestic routes to CEB, PPS, GES, DVO, they're mainly used for intra-Asian runs as well as migrant worker routes to the Middle East. Remnants of San Miguel Corp. With the upcoming refurbishment, they'll have a relatively consistent product which is currently lacking. With a 4K PTV, wireless charging, and suites with a door, I'd say it's more than adequate for them. Aside from a consistency, what they should work on would be the...
Aside from domestic routes to CEB, PPS, GES, DVO, they're mainly used for intra-Asian runs as well as migrant worker routes to the Middle East. Remnants of San Miguel Corp. With the upcoming refurbishment, they'll have a relatively consistent product which is currently lacking. With a 4K PTV, wireless charging, and suites with a door, I'd say it's more than adequate for them. Aside from a consistency, what they should work on would be the ground experience and IT, but improving the former would be a tall task for hub like MNL.
3-4-3 is a crime against humanity on an A350. Shame on PR for such a garbage inhumane product. No wonder they are one of the only Asian airlines not to be in an alliance.
Calling 3-4-3 a "crime against humanity" is wrong on so many levels, packed with truly strange claims that collapse under truth, logic and common sense. Did I not address this in a previous comment?
PAL is the first full-service carrier to go 10-abreast on the A350-1000, using the new production standard for optimized space, unlike the tighter squeezes on Frenchbee, Air Caraïbes, and Air Transat which pack even narrower on their A350s & A330s.
...Calling 3-4-3 a "crime against humanity" is wrong on so many levels, packed with truly strange claims that collapse under truth, logic and common sense. Did I not address this in a previous comment?
PAL is the first full-service carrier to go 10-abreast on the A350-1000, using the new production standard for optimized space, unlike the tighter squeezes on Frenchbee, Air Caraïbes, and Air Transat which pack even narrower on their A350s & A330s.
Your comment on alliances is also moronic - PAL operates independently, just like several other major Asian airlines, think about China Southern (left SkyTeam years ago), VietJet, Scoot, and so on. No alliance membership required to deliver smart, affordable long-haul for real passengers.
Your drama queen hysterics ignore economics that keep fares low and routes alive. PAL progresses while you whine.
@Darryl Macklem
You are insulting your beloved PAL by comparing them to
LCCs like VietJet and Scoot for not joining an alliance.
@Vikram - I wouldn't waste my time. Just ignore the bloke. I'm already wasting my time telling you to not waste your time! That's what they want, attention. Don't give them the satisfaction.
Numbnuts, your clueless accusation that I'm "insulting" PAL by mentioning non-alliance airlines like VietJet just exposes your glaring ignorance when you consider premium full-service giants like Emirates and Etihad, hell even IndiGo, massive, successful carriers thriving independently without bowing to any alliance. That's strength, not shame.
PAL operates the same way, no need for alliance crutches when you're pioneering the A350-1000 in the region, topping OTP charts, and delivering direct long-hauls that matter. Your desperate...
Numbnuts, your clueless accusation that I'm "insulting" PAL by mentioning non-alliance airlines like VietJet just exposes your glaring ignorance when you consider premium full-service giants like Emirates and Etihad, hell even IndiGo, massive, successful carriers thriving independently without bowing to any alliance. That's strength, not shame.
PAL operates the same way, no need for alliance crutches when you're pioneering the A350-1000 in the region, topping OTP charts, and delivering direct long-hauls that matter. Your desperate twist reeks of an unintelligent fool with little to no critical thinking capability.
When I stay calm, hit you with undeniable examples (Emirates dominates globally solo), watch you scramble with weak deflections, then seal it by calling out your hypocrisy, you fold every time.
I'm with you! A 777 with 3-4-3 is bad enough, and the 777 fuselage is wider than A350. Don't even think about sitting in an aisle seat on the PAL A350-1000..the narrow aisles guarantee frequent bumping. I'm not a big guy, but I have low tolerance for shoulder rubbing. Fortunately, other airlines serving the Philippines have more comfortable economy seating. Business and PE pax will be fine on this bird.
Underwhelming PE and Y seat stats show they're rather after cost-conscious local PHL-originating market...
I am wondering if the company does any lobbying with the local powers to push for a total redesign of the transit experience at MNL. It's simply atrocious... They are leaving money on the table...
From what I;ve heard, Clark is much more civilized affair...
Cebu is also a fabulous airport. I’m glad they’re getting more service like EK and TK. I’d wish more flights but part of its appeal is its size.
Spot on about targeting the cost-conscious market, that's exactly why PAL's high-density setup keeps direct ultra-long-haul flights affordable and accessible.
To your point on MNL transit, it's been rough historically, but huge changes are happening right now. The privatization under New NAIA Infra has rolled out biometric egates, expanded food halls, dignitaries lounges, and the brand-new Transit Tours + Medical Concierge at Terminal 3 (inaugurated by the President just a few days ago...) These...
Spot on about targeting the cost-conscious market, that's exactly why PAL's high-density setup keeps direct ultra-long-haul flights affordable and accessible.
To your point on MNL transit, it's been rough historically, but huge changes are happening right now. The privatization under New NAIA Infra has rolled out biometric egates, expanded food halls, dignitaries lounges, and the brand-new Transit Tours + Medical Concierge at Terminal 3 (inaugurated by the President just a few days ago...) These turn long layovers into quick Manila explorations or smoother medical travel, directly boosting connectivity revenue.
PAL has been actively pushing for better airport infrastructure, including a unified national master plan that optimizes NAIA alongside Clark and others. Clark is indeed way more civilized but it's complementary, ceetainly not a full replacement for MNL's hub role.
I'd like to try their new biz class. It's a shame that Manila airport is such an unpleasant place at which to transfer.
Very true, unless you transit within the same terminal (like within Terminal 3); otherwise, good luck!
They are making upgrades in the terminals, but there's no plan to connect the terminals airside. There's talk of building a new green field airport north of Manila down the road, and here's hoping that can be built sooner rather than later!
They didn't really get many more seats by going 10 abreast in Economy. ET (Ethiopian) have 349 Y seats behind second set of doors. If you take away 4 rows of Y to create 3 rows of PY, you still get the same number of seats that PAL is fitting in the same space. Granted ET have a couple less lavs.
While Ethiopian is able to fit 349 seats, they don't really utilize theirs the way PR does. The former's longest route would be Addis Ababa-Washington would be 12 hours give or take which is pretty much a standard long-haul flight. The latter uses theirs from Manila-JFK which is 5 hours longer or so with the intention of also flying to Houston and Chicago, so really taking advantage of the aircraft's potential. And while they were...
While Ethiopian is able to fit 349 seats, they don't really utilize theirs the way PR does. The former's longest route would be Addis Ababa-Washington would be 12 hours give or take which is pretty much a standard long-haul flight. The latter uses theirs from Manila-JFK which is 5 hours longer or so with the intention of also flying to Houston and Chicago, so really taking advantage of the aircraft's potential. And while they were able to fit more seats, it was at the expense of galleys which the latter needs for their ultra long-haul flights.
Darryl is the Tim Dunn of PAL.
It seems to me Tim Dunn is an angel compared to this guy.
If you have to mock and insult others, you have no valid argument. Just ignore the bloke. Whatever you think of Tim, his debates and arguments are valid and have merit. I'm not going to be mocked and insulted especially by some random bot behind a screen. I've been on this blog for almost 2 decades and I've never resorted to mocking or insulting anyone.
I'm a staunch advocate for and supporter of PAL. They had the best on-time performance in Asia-Pacific for four months straight - August to now - numbers nearing 93% in September.
Beyond that, they have recruited a tremendous new President who will lead them to incredible new heights. And of course, they just made history as the first in Southeast Asia to get the A350-1000 bringing in those efficient long-range beasts with way better cabins,...
I'm a staunch advocate for and supporter of PAL. They had the best on-time performance in Asia-Pacific for four months straight - August to now - numbers nearing 93% in September.
Beyond that, they have recruited a tremendous new President who will lead them to incredible new heights. And of course, they just made history as the first in Southeast Asia to get the A350-1000 bringing in those efficient long-range beasts with way better cabins, and they're pushing retrofits on the rest of the fleet too, which is already one of the youngest long-haul fleets in Southeast Asia.
They have also an excellent 4-Star rating from APEX based on what passengers say, and came in second most preferred in Southeast Asia at the 2025 Flyers’ Choice Awards.
It's very nice that you passionately support PAL, is there anything you would say they don't do well? Or are they a perfect airline?
Eskimo -
Of course they're not perfect, no airline is. The older 777s and A330s still feel dated compared to the the competition in the region, and ground service at outstations can be hit or miss.
But honestly, those issues pale compared to the big wins for me - amazing on-time lately, those vital direct flights for the diaspora, and real progress on modernizing the fleet. I'm supportive because as the flag carrier, they're stepping up in ways the most!
@Eskimo.
Atleast Tim Dunn has knowlenge of what he argues. Tim Dunn knows every passenger aircraft and their variants. But this Darryl has no knowledge. In a previous comment he stated that PAL has all the three passenger variants of the A350 in its fleet which are -800, -900 and -1000. It has been more than 10 years since Airbus abandoned the -800 variant in favour of the A330NEO but this guy doesn't know that. He is busy commenting as if he knows everything.
Everyone knows the A350-800 does not exist and was abandoned by Airbus years ago.
I was merely saying this against the initial and false comment by John that seemed to overcomplicate the number of variants of an A350, pointing out how pedantic nitpicking ignores the real point - only -900 and -1000 are in service.
Twisting my words into some fake "gotcha" about PAL having three variants just exposes your desperate lies and zero reading...
Everyone knows the A350-800 does not exist and was abandoned by Airbus years ago.
I was merely saying this against the initial and false comment by John that seemed to overcomplicate the number of variants of an A350, pointing out how pedantic nitpicking ignores the real point - only -900 and -1000 are in service.
Twisting my words into some fake "gotcha" about PAL having three variants just exposes your desperate lies and zero reading comprehension. Or maybe you're still hiding behind fabricated bullshit to feel relevant?
Regardless, piss off with your garbage accusations. PAL's pioneering the -1000 in the region while clowns like you embarrass yourselves.
Looks better than their 773. Also, isn’t it something that Airbus continues to actually deliver aircraft relatively timely while Boeing really has become a dumpster fire of disappointment with its Max horrors but also the 777X excessive delays. C’mon. Anyway, wish Philippines was in an alliance. Oh well.
Welcome back, been in hiding or just resting Ben?
Terrible for Economy passengers, at 16.49" it's amongst the narrowest long-haul seats ever! And as for Business, they better step their p* up. Those meals were some of the worst I've ever had in Business and to quote Annie Hall "and such small portions." That was three years ago. Though the funny thing is that I had the Beef Steak Filipino on my way to Manila, which the menu described as coming with onion rings...
Terrible for Economy passengers, at 16.49" it's amongst the narrowest long-haul seats ever! And as for Business, they better step their p* up. Those meals were some of the worst I've ever had in Business and to quote Annie Hall "and such small portions." That was three years ago. Though the funny thing is that I had the Beef Steak Filipino on my way to Manila, which the menu described as coming with onion rings and I thought how cool I've never had onion rings (which should be crispy) on a plane before but instead turned out to be three soggy rings of onion in sauce on top of the steak.
Richard, your dramatic meltdown over 16.49-inch seats and ancient soggy onions shows glaring disrespect for Philippine Airlines' smart, modern setup. PAL's A350-1000 economy delivers a very generous 32-inch pitch beating out western carriers and generally matching premium carriers like Singapore Airlines, Cathay Pacific, Qatar Airways, and Emirates on many long-haul routes. On the topic of width, the average is generally regarded about 17.5 inches - meaningful you're fat arse doesn't fit in a 16.49-inch seat,...
Richard, your dramatic meltdown over 16.49-inch seats and ancient soggy onions shows glaring disrespect for Philippine Airlines' smart, modern setup. PAL's A350-1000 economy delivers a very generous 32-inch pitch beating out western carriers and generally matching premium carriers like Singapore Airlines, Cathay Pacific, Qatar Airways, and Emirates on many long-haul routes. On the topic of width, the average is generally regarded about 17.5 inches - meaningful you're fat arse doesn't fit in a 16.49-inch seat, I doubt it will fit I a 17.5 inch seat. Regardless, that has nothing to do with PAL.
Id also like to note some of AA's 737-800 have seat widths S natrow as 16-inches.... but beyond that, French bee, Air Caraïbes, Air Transa pack even tighter on their long-haul A330s and A350s, proving PAL is far from the "narrowest ever." As for business class meals, clinging to a three-year-old gripe is absurd given that was during COVID and when you realize they have rolled out fresh, upgraded products.
Your inconsequential drama misses the point: PAL delivers value and progress. Fly it proud or stay grounded in the past.
Can’t help but wonder if Darryl is actually PAL’s CEO Richard Nuttall….or maybe a paid PAL buzzer!
Nah, not the CEO and definitely not paid. Just a regular traveler who's genuinely excited about what PAL is pulling off right now.
Watchers of the airline have waited years for proper long-haul upgrades and real reliability, and in 2025 they're actually delivering - first A350-1000 in the region, new firebrand CEO, consistent top OTP in Asia-Pacific. No buzzer here, just someone tired of the constant bashing and happy to call out the progress...
Nah, not the CEO and definitely not paid. Just a regular traveler who's genuinely excited about what PAL is pulling off right now.
Watchers of the airline have waited years for proper long-haul upgrades and real reliability, and in 2025 they're actually delivering - first A350-1000 in the region, new firebrand CEO, consistent top OTP in Asia-Pacific. No buzzer here, just someone tired of the constant bashing and happy to call out the progress when it's real. If that makes me sound like a fanboy, so be it, they have earned it BIG TIME!
Replying partly to @yoloswag420 below, but also intended to be a standalone comment.
It’s a shame that PR will remain the only airline in Southeast Asia to operate the A35K, unless TG or VN places an order in the near future — and TG seems to have zeroed in on 787 for its widebody fleet renewal. SQ missed a big opportunity to expand its widebody fleet and introduce better F/J products. Though SQ will operate...
Replying partly to @yoloswag420 below, but also intended to be a standalone comment.
It’s a shame that PR will remain the only airline in Southeast Asia to operate the A35K, unless TG or VN places an order in the near future — and TG seems to have zeroed in on 787 for its widebody fleet renewal. SQ missed a big opportunity to expand its widebody fleet and introduce better F/J products. Though SQ will operate the A350-1000 freighter, refusing to order the pax variant is a big miss. The same goes for MH, which operates a small A359 fleet but is focusing more on the A339 recently.
As for GA, the less said the better. It remains far and away the least competent and capable of Southeast Asian flag carriers when it comes to fleet renewal. It says a lot when TG and MH are going full speed ahead with new cabin products and GA is still stuck with 738s, 77Ws and A333s from the last decade. Half the widebody fleet ends up getting parked at CGK anyway, so I have no hope from GA for the time being.
Absolutely spot on. No denying PAL truly a leader in Southeast Asia right now, seizing the A350-1000 opportunity that others like SQ, TG, and MH overlooked while focusing elsewhere. This bold move sees the value in ultra-long-range efficiency and premium cabins for real growth. Shame GA lags so far behind, but exciting to watch the region evolve.
While I think some of the fanfare is a little overdone. I think this is a very commendable achievement and fleet modernization that PAL is doing.
It really speaks more to the macro-level trends in terms of "premium"-ization, where airlines that were previously lagging in terms of hard product have caught up significantly and even surpassed other global airlines.
The bar for industry standard has been raised significantly. Hopefully, we will see other SE Asian...
While I think some of the fanfare is a little overdone. I think this is a very commendable achievement and fleet modernization that PAL is doing.
It really speaks more to the macro-level trends in terms of "premium"-ization, where airlines that were previously lagging in terms of hard product have caught up significantly and even surpassed other global airlines.
The bar for industry standard has been raised significantly. Hopefully, we will see other SE Asian airlines ramp up as well, I think carriers like VN, GA, MH, and TG all have potential to catch up.
The fake "commendable" nonsense fools nobody. It reeks of glaring disrespect while you smugly call the well-earned excitement "overdone." PAL just became the first in Southeast Asia to fly the A350-1000, pulling off a massive leap from bankruptcy to top-tier cabins that others can only watch from behind.
Your little sermon about premium trends misses everything. PAL did not merely catch up; it rolled out proper business class suites with doors on the region's most...
The fake "commendable" nonsense fools nobody. It reeks of glaring disrespect while you smugly call the well-earned excitement "overdone." PAL just became the first in Southeast Asia to fly the A350-1000, pulling off a massive leap from bankruptcy to top-tier cabins that others can only watch from behind.
Your little sermon about premium trends misses everything. PAL did not merely catch up; it rolled out proper business class suites with doors on the region's most capable long-haul jet while VN, GA, MH, and TG you cheer for are stuck with outdated products or vague future talk. Wishing they catch up just betrays liddle undescended grapes twisted up by envy.
This milestone matters big time. Your half-hearted clap does not dim it. PAL raised the bar. Deal with it.
If we're talking about the hard product alone, MH already has a decent business class product with their A350s scheduled to be retrofitted. Likewise with TG on their 77Ws in 2027. If anyone needs to catch up, it's PR with their 77Ws as well as some A330s. It's a good start nonetheless. Hopefully we'll see them place new orders soon as it's been a while.
@yoloswag420 - just ignore the bloke.
Back with more wishful thinking disguised as insight? Your claim that MH and TG are ahead on hard product falls flat when PAL's brand-new A350-1000 just landed with top-tier Collins Super Diamond suites and doors right now, today.
MH's A350 retrofits with similar seats do not even start until 2026, and TG's 777 upgrades are pushed to 2027 at the earliest. Pointing fingers at PR's older 777s and A330s ignores the reality: PAL is actively...
Back with more wishful thinking disguised as insight? Your claim that MH and TG are ahead on hard product falls flat when PAL's brand-new A350-1000 just landed with top-tier Collins Super Diamond suites and doors right now, today.
MH's A350 retrofits with similar seats do not even start until 2026, and TG's 777 upgrades are pushed to 2027 at the earliest. Pointing fingers at PR's older 777s and A330s ignores the reality: PAL is actively planning refreshes while replacing legacy jets with these cutting-edge A350-1000s faster than your favorites.
Calling it a "good start" reeks of glaring disrespect. This is leadership in the region, not catching up.
Darryl, with all due respect, PR does not exactly have the reputation that SQ or even TG/MH/GA have historically had. It has the most outdated livery of the lot by a huge margin, but that’s a topic for another day. PR has not historically been an innovator or leader in onboard products, and just so happened to be lucky that the A35K arrived early. Meanwhile MH’s A339s and SQ’s upcoming A350 F/J refits will be...
Darryl, with all due respect, PR does not exactly have the reputation that SQ or even TG/MH/GA have historically had. It has the most outdated livery of the lot by a huge margin, but that’s a topic for another day. PR has not historically been an innovator or leader in onboard products, and just so happened to be lucky that the A35K arrived early. Meanwhile MH’s A339s and SQ’s upcoming A350 F/J refits will be rolled out on a much larger scale, so I definitely don’t think PR will be able to maintain its lead for long.
That said, with the exception of GA, whose struggles have no end in sight, I think every major Southeast Asian flag carrier (TG, SQ, MH, PR, VN — even little BI) is doing reasonably well with its fleet renewal. If only GA were even half as competent as the others, it would be operating A350s and 787s already.
Mostly agree. PR has historically trailed SQ, TG, and MH in reputation and onboard innovation, and bigger refits from SQ and MH will indeed challenge its edge soon.
That said, I disagree on the livery - PR's classic design is timeless and iconic, far better than some bland modern ones. And this A350-1000 move is genuiey revolutionary for the region, not just lucky timing; PR boldly committed early to the longest-range variant while others hesitated.
...Mostly agree. PR has historically trailed SQ, TG, and MH in reputation and onboard innovation, and bigger refits from SQ and MH will indeed challenge its edge soon.
That said, I disagree on the livery - PR's classic design is timeless and iconic, far better than some bland modern ones. And this A350-1000 move is genuiey revolutionary for the region, not just lucky timing; PR boldly committed early to the longest-range variant while others hesitated.
Fully with you on the rest however. The region (except poor GA, still mired in incompetence) is progressing well, with VN and even BI making solid strides. Great era for Southeast Asian carriers.
SQ and PRs livery are roughly the same age and both are done by Landor. Neither have had any major tweaks done to their livery aside from the titles. What more can PR do with their livery? I would love to see them do something retro like Saudia, now that would be brilliant! Actually, the "sunriser" could be tweaked to something like Qantas.
And not just fleet renewal, but product renewal as well.
Darryl is crashing out because he likes to assign intent to others and assume poorly.
He managed to take a positive comment about PAL, turn it into something negative and make himself the victim. I really don't know how you can operate in the real world like that.
A350 with 10-across vs A330 with 9-across?
PAL's A350-1000 benefits from Airbus' new production standard, widening the cabin for more comfortable high-density seating than older designs.
While some A330 configs squeeze to tighter widths in 3-3-3, the A350-1000's 3-4-3 delivers smart economics with modern efficiency, superior range, and quieter cabins that outclass legacy fleets.
Darryl Macklem is the Tim Dunn of PAL
Excellent. So many NA gateways they should be looking at MIA, DFW, ORD, JFK, MEM, EWR, IAD, BWI, CLT, YUL, YOW, YYC, MEX. Cebu Pacific is winning big time domesticly and regionly but lack longhaul network ! Philippines should focus in hard on NA to retain competitive advantage !
What a bunch of nonsense. Your laundry list of random North American gateways shows glaring disrespect for Philippine Airlines' smart, diaspora-driven strategy. PAL focuses on ultra-long-haul nonstop routes that connect millions of Filipinos directly home, not scattering flights to every airport for inconsequential bragging rights.
MIA: Tiny Filipino community and low demand make it a yield disaster.
DFW: yields too thin for 16-hour hauls.
ORD: Brutal winters and high costs deter traffic from...
What a bunch of nonsense. Your laundry list of random North American gateways shows glaring disrespect for Philippine Airlines' smart, diaspora-driven strategy. PAL focuses on ultra-long-haul nonstop routes that connect millions of Filipinos directly home, not scattering flights to every airport for inconsequential bragging rights.
MIA: Tiny Filipino community and low demand make it a yield disaster.
DFW: yields too thin for 16-hour hauls.
ORD: Brutal winters and high costs deter traffic from price-sensitive families.
JFK: Already covered via nearby EWR, but congestion and slots make it inefficient.
MEM: Cargo-focused backwater with negligible Filipino population.
EWR: Strong route exists, serving the massive East Coast diaspora.
IAD: Overlapped by competitors, lower Filipino density than key hubs.
BWI: Secondary airport with weak demand and no critical mass.
CLT: Hub-dominated by one airline, minimal overseas Filipino workers or families.
YUL: Small Filipino base, harsh weather, and seasonal dips hurt loads.
YOW: Even tinier community, inconsequential passenger potential.
YYC: Scattered diaspora and extreme cold reduce year-round appeal.
MEX: Cultural mismatch and negligible Philippine ties.
You immediately lose all credibility when you can't even get the PR route network correct. They fly to JFK, not EWR.
Also, yes the A350 only comes in -900 and -1000 variants at this time with a Freighter in development. Basic knowledge of aircraft should be something that anyone who wants to speak with authority on aviation should have done their own research on, but since you need a source you can go straight...
You immediately lose all credibility when you can't even get the PR route network correct. They fly to JFK, not EWR.
Also, yes the A350 only comes in -900 and -1000 variants at this time with a Freighter in development. Basic knowledge of aircraft should be something that anyone who wants to speak with authority on aviation should have done their own research on, but since you need a source you can go straight to Airbus themselves. This is not the space to be confidently incorrect in your assertions.
https://www.airbus.com/en/products-services/commercial-aircraft/passenger-aircraft/a350-family
Joaquin the Jaw-Dropping Jackass, your rabid attack crumbles instantly against truth, logic and common sense. Philippine Airlines flies direct to JFK nonstop with its ultra-long-haul A350s, proudly serving the heart of New York as their flagship East Coast route right now in 2025.
Your pathetic nitpick about EWR? That was a nod to the broader NYC-area diaspora access, not a route error, you poorly educated fool obsessed with gotchas. And lecturing on A350 variants like...
Joaquin the Jaw-Dropping Jackass, your rabid attack crumbles instantly against truth, logic and common sense. Philippine Airlines flies direct to JFK nonstop with its ultra-long-haul A350s, proudly serving the heart of New York as their flagship East Coast route right now in 2025.
Your pathetic nitpick about EWR? That was a nod to the broader NYC-area diaspora access, not a route error, you poorly educated fool obsessed with gotchas. And lecturing on A350 variants like a know-it-all when everyone grasps the basics? Spare us the clown show.
Barking "confidently incorrect" at facts you can't handle just exposes your desperate irrelevance. Stay triggered, idiot. PAL dominates while you embarrass yourself.
Can you investigate where the PR awards are that were promised by AS in 2025?
PALpak and PALaging late strikes again. I don’t get this hype and focus on being the first airline in Southeast Asia to fly the A350-1000? OK and? Nearly a dozen airlines fly the variant already so this is hardly a big deal especially how the rest of the major global carriers in the region are superior.
Business class is a noticeable improvement but it’s just catching up to the competition. Economy being 3-4-3 on...
PALpak and PALaging late strikes again. I don’t get this hype and focus on being the first airline in Southeast Asia to fly the A350-1000? OK and? Nearly a dozen airlines fly the variant already so this is hardly a big deal especially how the rest of the major global carriers in the region are superior.
Business class is a noticeable improvement but it’s just catching up to the competition. Economy being 3-4-3 on the A350 as a “full service carrier” is disappointing. I doubt most other full service carriers will follow this decision on their future A350 layouts especially on ultra long haul flights. At least the standard tech is there and didn’t decided to rip the screens off.
They take one step forward and one step back at the same time. PAL needs to double down on their soft product to remain competitive. I do admire how much they’ve embraced all the Filipino touches in their food, beverage, and overall service and branding. Their FAs are generally warm and friendly and I know the rigorous recruitment process they go through so I do feel like the quality of service is there especially how the service quality of some of the “best” airlines in the world have slipped since COVID.
MNL also being the literal worst major airport in the world (especially connections) is such a disadvantage that they need to work twice as hard on everything else. I’m rooting for them to succeed but it’ll be a tough road ahead especially competing with other stronger Asian carriers with better service and United doubling down on MNL and Delta potentially coming back, both of which have network advantages on the other end.
Apparently, they've reduced the pitch in Economy from 33"-32" which is pretty much standard with the likes of CX, SQ. They could've at least increased the pitch an inch or two in Economy and Premium Economy.
P.s. According to AI, Economy, Premium Economy and Business are capitalized when referring to the specific seating tier heh.
In regards to the width, their main target market would be Filipino passengers. The average build of a...
Apparently, they've reduced the pitch in Economy from 33"-32" which is pretty much standard with the likes of CX, SQ. They could've at least increased the pitch an inch or two in Economy and Premium Economy.
P.s. According to AI, Economy, Premium Economy and Business are capitalized when referring to the specific seating tier heh.
In regards to the width, their main target market would be Filipino passengers. The average build of a typical Filipino is smaller than your typical Westerner. And Filipinos tend to not complain. They would also either go for the most convenient option or the cheapest down to the last cent.
Apparently from what I gather, they'll also be retrofitting their 777s as well as select A330s.
And just my take, but is there even a need for the non-NPS A359s anymore? The A359s were ordered primarily for routes like New York and Toronto. Now that the A35Ks are just as capable if not more, I don't think there's a need anymore. What they need is a smaller aircraft like the 789 for smaller and thinner routes such as Las Vegas and Seattle. And their current A359 product won't be consistent with the A35K. It just wouldn't make sense either to only have 2 frames.
And like I've said, you don't need those antimacassars when your headrests are already leather.
given that some of their 77Ws have 9 abreast in coach, they seem to be leaving money on the table.
Philippines has strong ties to the US so there is clearly a strong economy component - PR uses large twins to the US - and UA has apparently done well there and uses double 77Ws per day which have pretty premium configurations compared to PR even with the Safran Optima seat up front.
MNL is...
given that some of their 77Ws have 9 abreast in coach, they seem to be leaving money on the table.
Philippines has strong ties to the US so there is clearly a strong economy component - PR uses large twins to the US - and UA has apparently done well there and uses double 77Ws per day which have pretty premium configurations compared to PR even with the Safran Optima seat up front.
MNL is apparently on DL's list of markets to return to and their version of their 35K will have a more premium product on a more efficient aircraft.
Good to see markets which apparently can support multiple foreign and US carriers
The 9-abreast 77Ws would be from Garuda as they were looking for whatever 777s they could get their hands on for the right price. It also remains to be seen if they are also part of the future retrofit.
Aside from historical and cultural ties, there's also business ties especially with PR and Boeing, GE, So I never see that partnership going away. It might be less especially with Airbus' aggressive pricing and concessions,...
The 9-abreast 77Ws would be from Garuda as they were looking for whatever 777s they could get their hands on for the right price. It also remains to be seen if they are also part of the future retrofit.
Aside from historical and cultural ties, there's also business ties especially with PR and Boeing, GE, So I never see that partnership going away. It might be less especially with Airbus' aggressive pricing and concessions, but not completely.
Apparently I've been mentioning DL launching MNL from LAX for years, and I don't get a hat tip haha. DL would also be relying on connections from areas like Nevada, Texas and even as far as Florida with significant Filipino populations. United is also banking on those connections to SFO.
Aside from LAX and SFO, I'm not sure who else can support multiple carriers to MNL. I guess Guam? Philippine Airlines ran Hawaiian out more than a decade ago with their aggressive pricing, so I don't know if Alaska/Hawaiian will return even if they're in Oneworld now. Maybe from SEA?
Mike,
there has been rampant speculation about what DL will do w/ international expansion as their 35Ks start being delivered; given that there are rumors of the first DL 35Ks arriving anywhere from one year from now to in the spring to early summer of 2027, we are getting close to the window to announce new routes.
the 35K is the better aircraft for a market like MNL because of being more dense compared...
Mike,
there has been rampant speculation about what DL will do w/ international expansion as their 35Ks start being delivered; given that there are rumors of the first DL 35Ks arriving anywhere from one year from now to in the spring to early summer of 2027, we are getting close to the window to announce new routes.
the 35K is the better aircraft for a market like MNL because of being more dense compared to the 359 but DL could start some routes w/ the 359 and then switch them to 35Ks - that might be the case with any of the potential routes listed - JFK and LAX to ICN and LAX to MNL and SIN (those two could be from SEA but I am strongly guessing LAX).
UA has done well to MNL despite PR being a lower cost carrier so I expect that has caught DL's eye; given that DL's 35Ks will be more efficient - even if a little smaller - than UA's 777Ws, DL probably feels like it can do well.
and, as I have noted, DL is likely to make a slew of announcements by late Feb to show that Glen Hauenstein thought of a lot of these route additions and Asia restarts along w/ the expected 787 order and retirement of the 717 with more MAXs to be ordered.
PR knows DL wants to add MNL since they have been increasing seats in the market from both LAX and SEA.
I would've mentioned SEA if PR didn't jump the gun first. Would there be room for 2 carriers to MNL from SEA? LAX and SFO definitely. UA would do well from LAX if they wanted to on top of a hypothetical DL service.
I wouldn't necessarily call PR a lower cost carrier. While they don't have the bells and whistles of an CX, SQ or even a KE or JAL, have a decent hub compared...
I would've mentioned SEA if PR didn't jump the gun first. Would there be room for 2 carriers to MNL from SEA? LAX and SFO definitely. UA would do well from LAX if they wanted to on top of a hypothetical DL service.
I wouldn't necessarily call PR a lower cost carrier. While they don't have the bells and whistles of an CX, SQ or even a KE or JAL, have a decent hub compared to the aforementioned carriers, they're still a full service carrier that offers IFE, full food & beverage service comparable and even better at times. And even their flights could be more expensive than the competition.
PR is a LOWER cost competitor to DL and UA. Not low cost. the 10 abreast 35Ks are intended to help them lower their costs and increase their revenues even if, as Ben notes, few global carriers will follow them.
Pricing is a function of demand so there are clearly opportunities to price low; I suspect that increased US carrier capacity will "allow them" to price lower.
and it is true that the US...
PR is a LOWER cost competitor to DL and UA. Not low cost. the 10 abreast 35Ks are intended to help them lower their costs and increase their revenues even if, as Ben notes, few global carriers will follow them.
Pricing is a function of demand so there are clearly opportunities to price low; I suspect that increased US carrier capacity will "allow them" to price lower.
and it is true that the US carriers have the advantage of hubbing on the US side; the Filipino diaspora is spread throughout the US while MNL is a poor airport for connections.
as for SEA vs. LAX, I believe we will see DL add more APAC destinations from LAX just because it is a larger market. Of course, if AS decides to start adding routes from SEA that DL sees as viable, SEA will become the focus.
If DL adds 2nd daily flights to MNL or other locations, it will be from a different gateway unlike UA with double dailies to many locations from SFO.
and I think LAX-HKG and -ORD is a not-very-veiled message to UA that DL is going to build LAX to Asia and UA can throw routes in if it wants but it will be a bloody contest that UA, much less than DL, can afford to get into.
Like I've said above, they're target market is their own. So fair enough. Their pitch is better than the likes of UA. But they should've at least offered an Economy Plus product with additional legroom as 10-abreast will really be a tight squeeze. But then again, Filipinos don't really complain so that'd be moot.
MNL and The Philippines as a whole was never meant to be a hub and spoke model as Manila and...
Like I've said above, they're target market is their own. So fair enough. Their pitch is better than the likes of UA. But they should've at least offered an Economy Plus product with additional legroom as 10-abreast will really be a tight squeeze. But then again, Filipinos don't really complain so that'd be moot.
MNL and The Philippines as a whole was never meant to be a hub and spoke model as Manila and its surrounding areas are just too dense. You might as well start non-stop service to CEB.
Liddle Mikey, your petty sniping at Philippine Airlines' groundbreaking A350-1000 delivery reveals glaring disrespect for a proud flag carrier's achievements. This is no inconsequential milestone: PAL is the first airline in Southeast Asia to operate this advanced aircraft, with the inaugural jet delivered just days ago, powering ultra-long-haul routes to North America.
Your dismissal of the hype ignores reality. While others lag, PAL leads the region with cutting-edge cabins, including superior business class suites that...
Liddle Mikey, your petty sniping at Philippine Airlines' groundbreaking A350-1000 delivery reveals glaring disrespect for a proud flag carrier's achievements. This is no inconsequential milestone: PAL is the first airline in Southeast Asia to operate this advanced aircraft, with the inaugural jet delivered just days ago, powering ultra-long-haul routes to North America.
Your dismissal of the hype ignores reality. While others lag, PAL leads the region with cutting-edge cabins, including superior business class suites that outclass many rivals. As for economy, the high-density layout suits the airline's primary market of resilient Filipino travelers who prioritize affordability and direct flights over luxury complaints.
Criticizing a 1-inch pitch reduction takes absolutle moronity when facing smart economics that keep fares low and connectivity strong. Your sour, inconsequential whining has no place here. Step aside and let real progress fly.
Darryl, what a lovely bloke! Cheers mate, all the best to you.
Sounds like the typical Filipino mentality of accepting mediocrity and even substandard conditions in the name of national pride that elected corrupt officials and has resulted the country to lag in economic progress.
“Cutting edge business class cabin” — meanwhile it’s an off the shelf product that so many other airlines use. They now compete with that product but it’s not making PAL lead in any way whatsoever.
And “resilient Filipino travelers” is...
Sounds like the typical Filipino mentality of accepting mediocrity and even substandard conditions in the name of national pride that elected corrupt officials and has resulted the country to lag in economic progress.
“Cutting edge business class cabin” — meanwhile it’s an off the shelf product that so many other airlines use. They now compete with that product but it’s not making PAL lead in any way whatsoever.
And “resilient Filipino travelers” is the phrase that is moronic. What do you mean by that? I’m born and raised in the Philippines and we’ve confused resiliency with accepting a poor quality of life.
I know this may seem like a tangent but your comment is ridiculous and clearly hypes up PAL in delusional levels.
"While others lag, PAL leads the region with cutting-edge cabins, including superior business class suites that outclass many rivals"
Apparently the bloke forgot about Singapore, Malaysia and Thai haha
Liddle Mikey, your clueless mutter about Singapore, Malaysia, and Thai "forgetting" ignores the facts and exposes glaring disrespect. PAL just delivered Southeast Asia's **first A350-1000** days ago, pioneering the region's longest-range, most advanced variant while those richer carriers cling to A350-900s or chase future plans.
When we say PAL leads the region, we mean in nations like the Philippines where GDP lags behind the elite trio you apparently worship. Overcoming tougher economics to secure this...
Liddle Mikey, your clueless mutter about Singapore, Malaysia, and Thai "forgetting" ignores the facts and exposes glaring disrespect. PAL just delivered Southeast Asia's **first A350-1000** days ago, pioneering the region's longest-range, most advanced variant while those richer carriers cling to A350-900s or chase future plans.
When we say PAL leads the region, we mean in nations like the Philippines where GDP lags behind the elite trio you apparently worship. Overcoming tougher economics to secure this game-changer takes real courage, not the liddle undescended grapes of ineffectual, privileged, effete debutantes.
Your inconsequential drivel and jealousy changes nothing. PAL soars where it counts.
J Tiny D, your bitter dismissal of Philippine Airlines' historic A350-1000 delivery as "hardly a big deal" shows glaring disrespect for a flag carrier leading Southeast Asia into the future. This is the region's first A350-1000, just delivered days ago, enabling nonstop ultra-long-haul flights that regional giants can only envy.
Dismissing the hype while admitting the business class upgrade catches up to "superior" rivals exposes your envy. As for economy, it prioritizes affordable direct access...
J Tiny D, your bitter dismissal of Philippine Airlines' historic A350-1000 delivery as "hardly a big deal" shows glaring disrespect for a flag carrier leading Southeast Asia into the future. This is the region's first A350-1000, just delivered days ago, enabling nonstop ultra-long-haul flights that regional giants can only envy.
Dismissing the hype while admitting the business class upgrade catches up to "superior" rivals exposes your envy. As for economy, it prioritizes affordable direct access for millions of Filipinos over pampered complaints from those with liddle undescended grapes.
PAL is surging ahead with smart, competitive choices. Your inconsequential sniping changes nothing. Celebrate progress or stay silent.
Speaking of Bankruptcy - this video explains how Philippine Airlines emerged from its Chapter 11 restructuring with over US$2 billion in debt reduced, a leaner fleet, and a much stronger balance sheet. As a result, PAL is now operating from a healthier financial position and more stable cost base than many Southeast Asian peers that are still burdened by legacy debt and state constraints, such as Thai Airways and Garuda Indonesia. This puts PAL in...
Speaking of Bankruptcy - this video explains how Philippine Airlines emerged from its Chapter 11 restructuring with over US$2 billion in debt reduced, a leaner fleet, and a much stronger balance sheet. As a result, PAL is now operating from a healthier financial position and more stable cost base than many Southeast Asian peers that are still burdened by legacy debt and state constraints, such as Thai Airways and Garuda Indonesia. This puts PAL in a better position to invest in new aircraft, expand routes, and compete sustainably in the region.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaxgXK1BRng
A330/A350 share what's known as a "Common Type Rating" meaning that pilots can operate both types. And of course the -800/-900/-1000 are all one type rating meaning that the pilots can really and truly operate four types of aircraft (Philippines Airlines only has one type of A330, but all 3 type of A350 hence the differentation)
Philippines Airlines has all 3 type of A350? They have only 2, The -900 and -1000.
That's wrong, Nasir. Philippines Airlines has all 3 types of A350.
There’s only two variants. The -800 never came to production.
Source?
@Darryl Macklem
I am beyond surprised that you don't know that the A350 comes in only 2 passenger variants the -900 and the -1000. The -800 was abandoned more than 10 years ago in favour of the A330NEO. Yet you argue as if you know everything.
Quiet Vik.
Mabuhay!
@Ben
Qatar Airways & Ethiopian have A350-1000s with a dense capacity of 395 passengers.
If those airlines go 10 across you can expect more than 400 seats.
It would be accurate to say that the PR 35Ks are the most dense with 3 cabins - business, premium economy and regular economy while the QR and ET 35Ks only have 2 cabins - business and economy. The QR 35Ks have a pretty small business class cabin.
@InceptionCat
QR's A350-1000s with 395 seats have only 24 Qsuites in business class. They are in two class configuration with business class and economy class. 10 abreast on an A350 is pathetic. I hope no airline goes 10 abreast.
Superb aircraft and a cabin layout to be the envy of most U.S. carriers,yes?
Unfortunately, the majority of their long-haul fleet is 20 years out of date. Southeast Asia’s worst airline by far.
Calling PAL "Southeast Asia’s worst airline by far" with a "20 years out of date" long-haul fleet is pure nonsense in 2025... PAL just took delivery of its first brand-new A350-1000 on December 20, the very first in the entire region, kicking off a fleet renewal with eight more coming by 2028, plus ongoing retrofits across A321s and others.
The long-haul fleet isn't anywhere ancient, average around 10-12 years for widebodies like the 777s (delivered...
Calling PAL "Southeast Asia’s worst airline by far" with a "20 years out of date" long-haul fleet is pure nonsense in 2025... PAL just took delivery of its first brand-new A350-1000 on December 20, the very first in the entire region, kicking off a fleet renewal with eight more coming by 2028, plus ongoing retrofits across A321s and others.
The long-haul fleet isn't anywhere ancient, average around 10-12 years for widebodies like the 777s (delivered mostly 2009-2016) and A330s, competitive with peers like Malaysia Airlines (approx 10 years average) or Thai/Garuda lagging behind on upgrades. PAL's overall fleet age sits at a touch over 10 years, far from the worst.
And worst airline? Hardly PAL topped Asia-Pacific on-time performance multiple months this year per Cirium, holds a solid 4-Star APEX rating, and ranked second most preferred in Southeast Asia at the 2025 Flyers’ Choice Awards.
...and watch their upcoming safety video (novella)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNM_YzG8P-4
Is this the future of economy on the A350? In the same way when Emirates was first to go 10 abreast on the 777 and it has now become the norm.
It's absolutely the future of economy class, where most pax buy their ticket based on price over comfort and amenity.