Delta Adds Summer 2023 Transatlantic Routes

Delta Adds Summer 2023 Transatlantic Routes

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Delta Air Lines has just announced some significant transatlantic expansion for the summer of 2023. These are only the latest long haul additions for Delta, as the Atlanta-based airline recently announced new flights from Atlanta to Cape Town, Atlanta to Tel Aviv, Los Angeles to Tahiti, New York to Berlin, and New York to Stockholm.

New Delta Europe service starting in 2023

Delta is adding a variety of new routes in the summer of 2023, most of which have been operated at some point in the past. However, in some cases we’re seeing the return of routes for the first time in 20+ years. Let’s go over what we can expect, in no particular order.

Delta adds New York to Geneva route

As of April 10, 2023, Delta will add a daily year-round flight between New York (JFK) and Geneva (GVA). The flight will be operated by a Boeing 767-400.

This is the first time since 1993 that Delta will be operating this route, and the airline will go head-to-head against Star Alliance airline SWISS in this market. It’s nice to see a non-Star Alliance airline operating transatlantic flights out of Geneva once again.

Delta Boeing 767-400

Delta adds New York to London Gatwick route

As of April 10, 2023, Delta will add a daily seasonal flight between New York (JFK) and London Gatwick (LGW). The flight will be operated by a Boeing 767-300. This is the first time since 2012 that Delta will be operating to Gatwick Airport.

This is an interesting one, because Delta’s joint venture partner Virgin Atlantic has completely pulled out of Gatwick. So this seems like a way for Delta to expand in London (since Heathrow is heavily slot controlled), and also compete against JetBlue’s New York to London Gatwick service. Lastly, British Airways has a pretty significant transatlantic presence out of Gatwick Airport. Still, a single seasonal route to the airport seems… not that major?

Delta adds Los Angeles to London Heathrow route

As of March 25, 2023, Delta will add a daily year-round flight between Los Angeles (LAX) and London Heathrow (LHR). The flight will be operated by an Airbus A330-900neo. This is the first time since 2015 that Delta will be operating this route, and it will be complemented by joint venture partner Virgin Atlantic’s frequencies in the market.

Of course this is a highly competitive market, as it’s also served by airlines like American, British Airways, and United. This will mark Delta’s transatlantic return to Los Angeles for the first time since the start of the pandemic.

Delta adds Los Angeles to Paris route

As of May 8, 2023, Delta will add a daily year-round flight between Los Angeles (LAX) and Paris (CDG). The flight will be operated by an Airbus A330-900neo. This is the first time since 2020 that Delta will be operating this route, and it will be complemented by joint venture partner Air France’s frequencies in the market.

This is a surprisingly uncompetitive market otherwise, as only Air Tahiti Nui otherwise has service between the two airports (French Bee also flies to Paris Orly).

Delta Airbus A330-900neo

Delta adds Atlanta to Dusseldorf route

As of May 9, 2023, Delta will add a 3x weekly year-round flight between Atlanta (ATL) and Dusseldorf (DUS). The flight will be operated by a Boeing 767-300. This is the first time since 2020 that Delta will be operating this route. This is the only nonstop route between the United States and Dusseldorf.

Delta adds Atlanta to Edinburgh route

As of March 26, 2023, Delta will add a 5x weekly seasonal flight between Atlanta (ATL) and Edinburgh (EDI). The flight will be operated by a Boeing 767-300. This is the first time since 2007 that Delta will be operating this route. Delta otherwise flies to Edinburgh year-round out of New York and seasonally out of Boston.

Delta adds Atlanta to Stuttgart route

As of May 25, 2023, Delta will add a 3x weekly year-round flight between Atlanta (ATL) and Stuttgart (STR). The flight will be operated by a Boeing 767-300. This is the first time since 2020 that Delta will be operating this route. Obviously this is a business and cargo route primarily about the automotive industry.

Delta Boeing 767-300

Bottom line

Delta Air Lines has announced a transatlantic expansion for the summer of 2023. We’re largely just seeing the resumption of some pre-pandemic routes, including the return of transatlantic flights out of Los Angeles. I’m also happy to see two secondary airports in Germany see the return of transatlantic links.

Furthermore, there are also some unique new routes that we haven’t seen in many years (or at all), like New York to Geneva, New York to London Gatwick, and Atlanta to Edinburgh.

What do you make of this Delta route announcement? Any routes particularly interest you?

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  1. NG Guest

    Correct you are on the US military connection to Stuttgart. Over 25,000 US military, DOD civilians, and families live in the Stuttgart area spread across EUCOM, AFRICOM and nearly a dozen commands, Component HQ’s and support organizations. We are badly in need of direct US service out of Stuttgart. Not to mention Porsche, Mercedes, and Bosch HQ’s also there. ATL-STR service is long overdue, used to love the convenience and Delta route connection when serviced...

    Correct you are on the US military connection to Stuttgart. Over 25,000 US military, DOD civilians, and families live in the Stuttgart area spread across EUCOM, AFRICOM and nearly a dozen commands, Component HQ’s and support organizations. We are badly in need of direct US service out of Stuttgart. Not to mention Porsche, Mercedes, and Bosch HQ’s also there. ATL-STR service is long overdue, used to love the convenience and Delta route connection when serviced in the past. Will be much less painful without the AMS, FRA, or CDG connection and lost luggage hassles.

  2. Luis o Guest

    Why Delta don’t Rio de Janeiro directly from JFK Ny only from Atlanta?….

  3. Jim G Guest

    Anyone know when these flights will be listed and available to book?

  4. John S Guest

    Now please add Istanbul!

  5. Brian Gasser Guest

    Although a domestic route, I wish DL would fly JFK-SNA. They were suppose to launch this pre-pandemic. AA serves the route with 1x daily and UL flies EWR-SNA 3x daily.

    1. A. Wolf Guest

      A lot of old planes on those transatlantic routes.

  6. rrapynot Guest

    A peculiarity of the CDG-LAX-PPT route is that only EU carriers can sell tickets since it is considered domestic. In other words you can’t book a ticket to fly CDG-LAX-PPT on Delta.

  7. Jim Lovejoy Guest

    It will be interesting to see how many of those routes will be ticketable with Virgin Atlantic Miles.

  8. Wyatt Guest

    “This is the first time since 2020 that Delta..” Geez Ben, I work for Delta and I’m confused if you or them wrote this post.

    1. Jetiquette Guest

      Reinstating routes from pre-COVID is a big deal for any carrier. A return to normalcy. Ben writes when the carrier flew each route whether it was 1993, 2020, or other.

  9. iamhere Guest

    Incorrect about LAX to CDG. Besides Air Tahiti, Air France also operates the route.

    1. Mike C Gold

      Ben said, '... and it will be complemented by joint venture partner Air France’s frequencies in the market' so no, he was not incorrect, he included their flights.

  10. Jordan Gold

    Oh dear, DL will not give up.

    LHR-LAX is a glamorous route in the hearts and minds of Brits. If Y is cheap, sure. J ...they will want VS and BA, followed by AA.

    Paris is all about glamour. AF for F and J, DL will get the scraps.

    Delta will never be glamorous. It's all in the name and perception.

    Who did you fly on "Virgin" "Air France" - met with approval by...

    Oh dear, DL will not give up.

    LHR-LAX is a glamorous route in the hearts and minds of Brits. If Y is cheap, sure. J ...they will want VS and BA, followed by AA.

    Paris is all about glamour. AF for F and J, DL will get the scraps.

    Delta will never be glamorous. It's all in the name and perception.

    Who did you fly on "Virgin" "Air France" - met with approval by certain crowds
    Who did you fly on "Delta" - many will give a blank stare. It evokes little razzle. BUT, at least DL has a higher degree of getting you there safely, over AF trying to crash every type of plane it has ever/operates.

    1. EK_engineer Guest

      @Jordan

      I assure you, airlines do not schedule routes to win the approbation of the "glamour" crowd, however you define that nebulous and highly subjective term. Ultimately, it's about revenue. And to a lesser extent these post-covid days, national prestige. No airline has ever scheduled a LHR route for the benefit of a Kardashian, or some other D-grade Hollywood "glamour" celeb. Ever.

    2. FNT Delta Diamond Guest

      Even Aeromexico has a more glamorous international business-class product than Delta. But yes, I agree. Those with money to buy a paid J airfare are going to fly Virgin Atlantic or British Airways to London and Air France to France. Why wouldn't you fly the national airline? Especially in the case of Virgin Atlantic and Air France since they have a partnership with Delta.

    3. DOle Guest

      I couldn't agree more.

      Glamour + perception = higher revenue...right???

    4. Jetiquette Guest

      Because the majority of US customers will choose to fly the US carrier for loyalty etc. Most French customers will fly AF and most British will fly BA. That's fairly common sense, no? Pretty sure each carrier can see what percentage of sales are based in their home country on any given route.

  11. LAXAJS Guest

    So glad DL is expanding international service from LAX. I'm letting my AA EP status lapse after they gutted their int'l service from here so will be nice to have more options to Europe.

  12. Ante Guest

    Should of added Chicago/Cleveland or New York-Croatia route

    1. Dole Guest

      Yeah, you tell 'em, Ante!

      If only Delta read these message boards they'd make so much more money...

  13. Joe Guest

    Understanding that these routes are being added for next year, but when are they bookable? Not until after the dates listed?

  14. Kathy Sterling Guest

    American and United have authorization to fly those routes and did in the 90's and early 2000's. My bet is that they return to compete with Delta.

    1. Tim Dunn Diamond

      Nearly all US-Europe flights including all of these routes are operated under Open Skies agreements which means any airline of the nationalities at one end or the other of the route (plus some others) can fly the route. There are no "dormant authorities" that can be re-exercised. As with AA and UA, all of these routes are part of joint venture agreements between DL and Air France/KLM and Virgin Atlantic which are in a single...

      Nearly all US-Europe flights including all of these routes are operated under Open Skies agreements which means any airline of the nationalities at one end or the other of the route (plus some others) can fly the route. There are no "dormant authorities" that can be re-exercised. As with AA and UA, all of these routes are part of joint venture agreements between DL and Air France/KLM and Virgin Atlantic which are in a single transatlantic joint venture.
      AA and UA already fly LAX-LHR so this will be one of the few routes which are served by all 3 of the US global carriers plus some of their joint venture partners and other airlines. In a couple years, we'll be able to see how well they all did relative to each other.
      Prior to covid, all 3 operated LAX to both HND and PVG and Delta had the highest revenue per flight to both cities.

    2. Maxpower Guest

      "Prior to covid, all 3 operated LAX to both HND and PVG and Delta had the highest revenue per flight to both cities."
      Tim Dunn at his best: Delta had the best yields to HND with no Japanese partner. Sometimes you don't even use an abstract fact, Tim. You just say something dumb and hope no one knows anything about RASM and revenue.
      God, you're an idiot. There's a reason Delta fired you and no one has hired you since.

    3. Tim Dunn Diamond

      attacking the messenger because you don't know the facts doesn't work, Max.
      Delta had the highest revenue including local and connecting passengers.
      Since Delta is restarting its LAX-HND service before the others, they apparently see the value in serving the route on their own metal.
      btw, someone that got fired by a company would certainly not highlight the good that they do now.

    4. MaxPower Guest

      Topic is LAX-HND. Focus, Tim. Not random Delta flights. Delta has no connecting pax from HND to speak of. lol. And it's cute to see you try to dodge but not deny. You have a rep and Delta fired you. Don't deny it now. Own your past like you have before. WorldTraveller was well known on a.net before you were permanently banned in every sense of the internet domain due to constant lies.
      I...

      Topic is LAX-HND. Focus, Tim. Not random Delta flights. Delta has no connecting pax from HND to speak of. lol. And it's cute to see you try to dodge but not deny. You have a rep and Delta fired you. Don't deny it now. Own your past like you have before. WorldTraveller was well known on a.net before you were permanently banned in every sense of the internet domain due to constant lies.
      I agree though. Someone fired by Delta wouldn't sanely be highlighting delta in a normal world, but here you are... But you aren't sane.

    5. Tim Dunn Diamond

      No, Max, the topic is Delta's 2023 TRANSATLANTIC expansion.
      HND entered the discussion because it is one of a very small handful of routes that all 3 US global carriers have served or plan to serve.
      LAX-LHR will be on that list as well.

      And TOTAL REVENUE includes passengers that travel ONLY between LAX and HND as well as connecting passengers.

      Delta and Northwest before has long been the largest airline between LAX...

      No, Max, the topic is Delta's 2023 TRANSATLANTIC expansion.
      HND entered the discussion because it is one of a very small handful of routes that all 3 US global carriers have served or plan to serve.
      LAX-LHR will be on that list as well.

      And TOTAL REVENUE includes passengers that travel ONLY between LAX and HND as well as connecting passengers.

      Delta and Northwest before has long been the largest airline between LAX and Tokyo as a result of NW's Tokyo hub; DL managed to hold onto the highest revenue title even without a hub at Tokyo and even with switching to Haneda.

    6. Brian Gasser Guest

      @Maxpower Petty of you to attack someone anonymously. If you don't like his comments, you can skip them. It is stalker like that you feel you know who has been separated from their employer.

    7. MaxPower Guest

      Thanks Brian, Tim goes by a fake name and has previously been known as worldtraveller on other sites. He has a very long history on aviation sites and folks deserve to know who he is when he comments because he tries to use facts that have no backing. but, interesting that you're a guest user... Tim, is that you...?

    8. Eskimo Guest

      @Brian Gasser

      I'm going to say @MaxPower is trying to point out some misleading information to the general reader. It's more like sucker punch than stalking. But it does tell either Tim knows what he is talking about since he was in the industry, or he doesn't and that's why he was separated from the industry.

      I can tell you, some of Tim's analysis makes sense but the ones that are BS are really way...

      @Brian Gasser

      I'm going to say @MaxPower is trying to point out some misleading information to the general reader. It's more like sucker punch than stalking. But it does tell either Tim knows what he is talking about since he was in the industry, or he doesn't and that's why he was separated from the industry.

      I can tell you, some of Tim's analysis makes sense but the ones that are BS are really way off BS. He was trying to get a denied double boarding compensation because an Ukulele was in his seat.

      To explain what @MaxPower is saying.
      Tim was using highest "revenue per flight" when called out, he discretely switched to "revenue" (which is misleading) since you can fill up 1 plane and still have the same revenue as filling 4 plane quarter full. Which one is losing money?
      And DL quickly restarting HND, guess what because unlike AA/UA who has a partner. If DL doesn't operate, DL can't reach HND nonstop.
      And to the last point that Max didn't address. Highest revenue means little in the wrong context. Delta could fly half their planes empty and still have a higher revenue than JetBlue. You think any airline flying empty would be in business long?

    9. Tim Dunn Diamond

      There is nothing confusing or inaccurate about what I have written. Max, not me, mixed the terms "yield" and "revenue" while trying to argue that a partner hub affected both. In fact, revenue that connects at a hub is generally LOWER than local market revenue.
      I made it clear that Delta has long had the most total revenue in the LAX to Tokyo market- as a result of using the 747 for years and...

      There is nothing confusing or inaccurate about what I have written. Max, not me, mixed the terms "yield" and "revenue" while trying to argue that a partner hub affected both. In fact, revenue that connects at a hub is generally LOWER than local market revenue.
      I made it clear that Delta has long had the most total revenue in the LAX to Tokyo market- as a result of using the 747 for years and now as a result of NOT connecting passengers in Tokyo to its own or a partner hub.
      You would do well to understand that a joint venture COMBINES both carriers' capacity and revenue, operates it as one, and then divides it according to the contribution that each carrier puts into the joint venture. On no planet is American a larger carrier to/from Japan than Delta precisely because AA operates so few Japan flights on its own.
      And since you and your bud want to throw Japanese JVs into the discussion, it was known as soon as HND flights were allowed alongside NRT flights. The US DOT specifically gave DL more HND flights because AA and UA both have JVs. AA and UA are committed to feeding their partners' hubs at NRT where local market yields and revenue will be well below HND. Given that UA's CEO complained about the JV terms with NH even before the pandemic, it is doubtful that Tokyo is near as lucrative for either AA or UA as you want to believe.
      And all of these tangeants that you want to go on don't change that AA's own execs are saying that AA is focused on feeding its partner hubs to Asia and Europe and not trying to fly a bunch of routes that have lost billions of dollars - as I have noted for years.
      United has yet to realize that it cannot make the amount of money on its international as Delta given that United's international fleet is much less fuel efficient and UA pays more for jet fuel and that won't change. Since UA has committed to a massive domestic fleet acquisition, they cannot afford to buy scores of new widebodies and their international network is going to be a financial drag for years to come - even as UA tries to position itself as the largest US international carrier.
      As much as you want to argue otherwise, DL's ability to add new routes including in markets such as GVA is a direct result of the $2 billion cost advantage which DL has.

    10. Eskimo Guest

      LOL, Max is no bud of mine (yet), just pointing out his observation.

      The thing is, I don't think you could have access to "yield" for this specific route to compare. Therefore you can't possibly know DL had a "yield" advantage as what Max called you out.
      Your response was then "TOTAL REVENUE", hence I pointed that discrepancy out.

      And "you" brought up the JV. Which is good analysis but irrelevant to you switching...

      LOL, Max is no bud of mine (yet), just pointing out his observation.

      The thing is, I don't think you could have access to "yield" for this specific route to compare. Therefore you can't possibly know DL had a "yield" advantage as what Max called you out.
      Your response was then "TOTAL REVENUE", hence I pointed that discrepancy out.

      And "you" brought up the JV. Which is good analysis but irrelevant to you switching "yield" and "revenue".

      And you are obviously not Ed Bastian, so you wouldn't know if GVA is a direct result of the cost advantage. Your guess is as good as DL wants to import more Rolex from Geneva or someone in Network has a Swiss mistress. And that is your BS part.
      Maybe UA flew EWR-CAE because it has a monopoly advantage, or maybe not depending on if you asked Smisek or someone else.

    11. Tim Dunn Diamond

      no, I did not bring up the JV. Someone else - either you or your bud - talked about connecting partner revenue. Whether they called it a JV or not, someone was trying to imply Delta was at a disadvantage - which is exactly the opposite of reality.

      And yield is calculated as revenue divided by mileage. Average revenue is reported by the DOT.
      I can, in fact, calculate yield - but, when comparing...

      no, I did not bring up the JV. Someone else - either you or your bud - talked about connecting partner revenue. Whether they called it a JV or not, someone was trying to imply Delta was at a disadvantage - which is exactly the opposite of reality.

      And yield is calculated as revenue divided by mileage. Average revenue is reported by the DOT.
      I can, in fact, calculate yield - but, when comparing different airlines that fly the same route, average fare works.

      Delta's cost advantage is actually higher at JFK compared to UA at EWR because the refinery delivers jet fuel to the NE. I used system fuel costs because I don't know any airline's fuel costs by city but, in general, fuel costs are higher in the NE outside of DL's refinery strategy. And airlines generally DO calculate its costs on a flight specific basis so DL's costs for JFK-GVA will be much lower than UA for EWR-GVA or IAD-GVA.
      And, as has been noted, DL is clearly counting corporate/government/NGO revenue. Specifically because UA and LX have had a monopoly, DL can come in and price at levels lower than Star and still do well.

      You make far better arguments than your bud. You would do well to drop the BS label for everything that you think is wrong - because you clearly know a whole lot less about the way the airline industry works than you think

  15. JB Guest

    I'm surprised American or United don't fly from LAX to Paris CDG! Especially since both airlines have a hub at LAX.

  16. Flyer Guest

    Why doesn't Delta launch something interesting, like JFK to KRK?

    1. Shawn Guest

      Because of non existent demand for flights to KRK?

    2. Dole Guest

      I know right??? I just don't understand why they don't fly interesting routes like JFK-EVN?? Come on Delta, do something interesting!!

    3. Brian Gasser Guest

      @Dole DL is a for profit company. You think that there is enough demand in J to fill the front of an A330 cabin with paying paxs?

  17. Rouven Guest

    AFAIK the Stuttgart route historically served a lot of DoD traffic. Kelly Barracks in Stuttgart host AFRICOM and there are other Army and NATO bases in the area.

    1. DLPTATL Guest

      Mercedes Benz and Porsche both have their N American HQ's in Atlanta so they also stand to get a good flow of business travelers in the auto industry paying to fly up front.

  18. Happy Flyer Member

    This is awesome! I hope Delta switches out its new premium economy seats on the 767. I don't see enough a33oneos coming in fast enough to replace the 767s anytime soon. Now I wish they would invest a lot more into their soft product such as all classes for food and drink. It the best among the Big 3 US airlines but pales in comparison to foreign airlines

  19. FNT Delta Diamond Guest

    Come on. Several of these flights were previously, pre-covid operated and then suspended. It's hardly an addition. Most of these are just resumptions. And I'm pretty sure that pre-covid, Delta announced plans to do Gatwick flights on the 757 with the forward cabin marketed as premium economy, not Delta One.

  20. thurstontravel Guest

    So basically DL is reviving routes it used to operate, except for JFK-GVA, which is an odd route for them. The market is well served out of the NY Area with UA at EWR and LX at JFK. GVA is a major gateway serving a large region in France and Switzerland, but it's not big enough to sustain 3 daily flights to NYC. I see DL failing here.

    1. Tim Dunn Diamond

      I think we could use that exact argument about UA's attempts to get back into JFK and fly routes that DL serves quite well. and quite profitably as well.

    2. beckypaul Guest

      Put the dubbage down, dude.

    3. Tim Dunn Diamond

      and in the 2nd quarter of 2022, Delta had a 44 cent/gallon cost advantage over United on a systemwide basis and current guidance from both Delta and United expects DL to continue to have a cost advantage. It is very possible that Delta is using its refinery to continue to grow its position in NYC.
      Competition is all about no one taking any position for granted. If Delta can add more service and be...

      and in the 2nd quarter of 2022, Delta had a 44 cent/gallon cost advantage over United on a systemwide basis and current guidance from both Delta and United expects DL to continue to have a cost advantage. It is very possible that Delta is using its refinery to continue to grow its position in NYC.
      Competition is all about no one taking any position for granted. If Delta can add more service and be profitable doing so, it hardly matters to Delta whose revenue they take.
      Since GVA has a lot of international organization traffic, they can certainly compete for the business traffic.
      It's also not like United looked at Africa and walked away because Delta served it.

    4. MaxPower Guest

      You honestly have to love Tim Dunn trying to act like the Delta refinery is an asset after a decade of losses and Delta doing anything possible to sell it the last three years. But... no one wanted to buy it and now it's just an accounting exercise that Tim loves to use for his weird drivel.

    5. Tim Dunn Diamond

      The refinery contributed about one billion dollars in lower fuel savings and paid for itself - but that wasn't a huge gain. But that era has passed. Delta started getting benefits last year if you go back and look at financial statements - which are filed with the Securities and Exchange commission. If you think DAL is not telling the truth, you should notify the SEC.
      And Delta did not try to get rid...

      The refinery contributed about one billion dollars in lower fuel savings and paid for itself - but that wasn't a huge gain. But that era has passed. Delta started getting benefits last year if you go back and look at financial statements - which are filed with the Securities and Exchange commission. If you think DAL is not telling the truth, you should notify the SEC.
      And Delta did not try to get rid of the refinery in totality - they said all along they wanted to keep the price benefits they obtain. Now that it is operating the refinery itself that is giving Delta huge profits, talk of getting rid of is clearly off the table unless they get a massively good deal that ensures they get long-term benefits.
      Delta was a decade too early in seeing that refinery capacity in the NE would push jet fuel prices higher and that is expected to continue.
      And it is precisely because Delta genuinely is getting real benefits from the refinery ($600 million lower fuel bill for just the 91 days of the 2nd quarter than United and $800 million lower than American) that Delta can do a lot of things that AA and UA will not be able to do.
      btw, Alaska, Delta and Southwest are all getting some type of fuel price benefits - AS and WN via hedging and DL via its refinery so it isn't like DL is the only airline that saw a need to control fuel prices. DL just happens to be the only one of the big 3 global carriers.

    6. Maxpower Guest

      a simple google search would show Delta's desperation to sell the trainer refinery, Tim. Your drivel is amusing. But also just continues to make you look like the joke you are. Make your own blog, stop trolling the internet because no one cares what you actually think.

      I have friends at Delta finance that honestly laugh at you and your nonsense. It's sad that you don't even realize that. Get a job and a life

    7. James Krotch Guest

      Thx for putting Tim Dunn in his place maxpower. He’s as annoying as Debit or the Hilton freak at this point.

    8. Jason Guest

      Delta flew JFK-GVA before, but it's been a long time. I think they flew it for a time in the 1990s after they bought the transatlantic routes from Pan Am. But yes, it has been awhile. It will be interesting to see how they do on the route up against the Star partners who also operate from NYC-area airports to Geneva.

    9. Andy Diamond

      The success of the GVA route depends if DL gets a UN contract or not. I understand that LX/UA have such a contract and a large part of the traffic comes out of this contract.

  21. Eric Guest

    Finally LAX getting some love from a Big Three

    1. Dole Guest

      yes it's so difficult for it to attract any of the Big Three to fly there

  22. Lisa A Hurdle Guest

    I just came back from Greece on Delta last night and it was 5 of us me and my sister sat in comfort one two in main and one in first class we had a blast and I'm going back to London next year after Thanksgiving for a week and a day back in Paris I love Delta and American

  23. Peter Guest

    Do all Delta A330-900neo have the new Delta One Suites or just a subset?

    1. Tim Dunn Diamond

      All A330-900s and all of the delivered-new A350-900s have suites with doors.

    2. Eskimo Guest

      And if a 767 flies instead, Tim will request a denied boarding compensation twice the value of their ticket, because the doors are a significantly change in the environment, having no doors is NOT ACCEPTABLE.

      Tim believes, if Delta intends to do this, then tell people before they book and let THEM decide if they want to be subjected to no doors.
      Nobody is saying there aren't people that want it but there are...

      And if a 767 flies instead, Tim will request a denied boarding compensation twice the value of their ticket, because the doors are a significantly change in the environment, having no doors is NOT ACCEPTABLE.

      Tim believes, if Delta intends to do this, then tell people before they book and let THEM decide if they want to be subjected to no doors.
      Nobody is saying there aren't people that want it but there are WAY MORE that wouldn't buy a ticket on that flight if they knew what was going to happen.

      Entitlement Karen?, I mean Tim?

  24. Tim Dunn Diamond

    When you have a $2 billion plus per year fuel cost advantage relative to your largest competitors - American and United - these kinds of additions can happen.
    Of note, these new routes are heavily focused on Lufthansa Group markets (Germany and Switzerland), the UK (likely rearranging the LHR portfolio but also adding even more Scotland) as well as Los Angeles. DOT data shows that DL operated 18 domestic flights/day on average more than...

    When you have a $2 billion plus per year fuel cost advantage relative to your largest competitors - American and United - these kinds of additions can happen.
    Of note, these new routes are heavily focused on Lufthansa Group markets (Germany and Switzerland), the UK (likely rearranging the LHR portfolio but also adding even more Scotland) as well as Los Angeles. DOT data shows that DL operated 18 domestic flights/day on average more than American at LAX in July so DL is gunning to hold onto the top carrier role at LAX.

    DL's pilots have also been told that DL is looking at another A350 order which could be for the A350-1000.

    1. MaxPower Guest

      The usual Tim, fired from Delta, and now here acting like he knows something that even his beloved thought he was dumb about. Tim, do a favor and don't use absolute numbers out of context.

    2. Tim Dunn Diamond

      Fuel spend is not out of context. It is what it is. If you think what any US airline reports on their earnings statements to investors is inaccurate, you should file a complaint with the Securities and Exchange Commission.

    3. MaxPower Guest

      Fuel spend comparison absent stage length is nonsense and yet another fun way to show Tim Dunn loves to use single facts absent relevance to make a dumb statement that has no backing.
      tim, everyone knows Delta fired you. Your dedication to them is amusing but sad. You have no objectivity.

    4. Tim Dunn Diamond

      The amount of fuel spent to generate a known amount of revenue and available seat miles IS the basis of comparison that anyone, including you, can do.
      Delta simply spends less on fuel both because of its refinery and because Delta has higher fuel efficiency than American and United.
      Facts that you don't want to read or hear are still facts.

      Thanks for lettting me know that people in Delta's finance department read...

      The amount of fuel spent to generate a known amount of revenue and available seat miles IS the basis of comparison that anyone, including you, can do.
      Delta simply spends less on fuel both because of its refinery and because Delta has higher fuel efficiency than American and United.
      Facts that you don't want to read or hear are still facts.

      Thanks for lettting me know that people in Delta's finance department read what I write. I am honored that they read and you spend so much effort trying to argue against what I write.
      Has it dawned on you that if I am really wrong, there is no reason for you to spend so much effort trying to argue against me?
      It is exactly because anyone that can read financial statements knows that I am right that you argue.

    5. MaxPower Guest

      you're a laughing stock even at your own obsession. What else needs to be said. They fired you, you're obsessed with them, now they laugh at you. Sums up Tim Dunn pretty well

    6. Tim Dunn Diamond

      not only can you not accept the economic reality of the industry, you can't accept that other people have told you that you are out of line with your comments.
      Ben needs to block your IP address

    7. Eskimo Guest

      @Tim Dunn

      The numbers that are reported to the SEC are part of 'financial statements' not 'actual operating statements'.
      So while the numbers are correct, the story behind the numbers are internal and outsiders can only make assumptions. Not all numbers are reported or required. That's why when comparing financial statements you need to use several benchmarks to compare. Looking at just one number and trying to explain an entire company strategy is pointless...

      @Tim Dunn

      The numbers that are reported to the SEC are part of 'financial statements' not 'actual operating statements'.
      So while the numbers are correct, the story behind the numbers are internal and outsiders can only make assumptions. Not all numbers are reported or required. That's why when comparing financial statements you need to use several benchmarks to compare. Looking at just one number and trying to explain an entire company strategy is pointless and just guessing.
      @MaxPower is pointing out that you are using an absolute number out of context and your response is linking correlation as causation. Facts may be true partially, but does it explain what you claim, unlikely.

      If Delta is spending that much on fuel, and I'm spending only a few thousand a year. I have billions in fuel advantage over Delta and all it's competitors, I should drive transatlantic? LOL.

    8. tom Guest

      MaxPower's main talent appears to be bullying. If you don't like someone's comments, just move on.

  25. BoardingAreaFlukie Guest

    I flew on the Delta CDG-LAX route on February, 29, 2020. It was a 777-200 that was recently retrofitted. It's too bad Delta quickly scrapped the 777s when the pandemic hit.

    Things were weird. The flight was packed. I snapped a photo of the economy section and it's crazy looking at it now. No masks and no social distancing.

    Having flown both Delta and Air France in Premium Economy, no question that Delta was...

    I flew on the Delta CDG-LAX route on February, 29, 2020. It was a 777-200 that was recently retrofitted. It's too bad Delta quickly scrapped the 777s when the pandemic hit.

    Things were weird. The flight was packed. I snapped a photo of the economy section and it's crazy looking at it now. No masks and no social distancing.

    Having flown both Delta and Air France in Premium Economy, no question that Delta was much better in both seat comfort and service. Glad Delta is returning to this route, but wish it was sooner.

    1. FlyerDon Guest

      I agree with you. For a lot of reasons I think Delta might be regretting their decision to dump their 777s. Of course Delta would never admit they made a mistake.

    2. Brian Gasser Guest

      The DL 777 was an orphaned fleet with too few numbers. While it would have been nice to have the capacity this summer, DL is better off aligning its fleet to the models it plans to fly long term in scale.

    3. FlyerDon Guest

      I can remember when American had a handful of DC-10-30’s just flying between DFW and HNL. With operational delays and pilot shortages I think domestic widebodies might make a comeback, more seats with less frequencies and still just two pilots. Even 18 triple7s would help these days. Fly them internationally and move the 767s to domestic flying. If you want to ground some widebodies ground the 767-400s. They’re pigs.

    4. FlyerDon Guest

      In retrospect I find the word “pigs” offensive, I should have used “dogs”, or better yet not made that comment at all. Sorry.

  26. Jeremy Guest

    I imagine the STR route will get a decent amount of US military traffic as well.

  27. Anthony Diamond

    LAX adds are interesting interesting. We see stories of AA reducing there. Here comes Delta with direct flights to Europe on its own newest metal, supplemented by its new class lounge. Shows how Delta will compete in competitive markets.

  28. George Henan Guest

    Ben, there's a typo next to Dusseldorf listing STR. Thanks for the article.

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DLPTATL Guest

Mercedes Benz and Porsche both have their N American HQ's in Atlanta so they also stand to get a good flow of business travelers in the auto industry paying to fly up front.

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Tim Dunn Diamond

and in the 2nd quarter of 2022, Delta had a 44 cent/gallon cost advantage over United on a systemwide basis and current guidance from both Delta and United expects DL to continue to have a cost advantage. It is very possible that Delta is using its refinery to continue to grow its position in NYC. Competition is all about no one taking any position for granted. If Delta can add more service and be profitable doing so, it hardly matters to Delta whose revenue they take. Since GVA has a lot of international organization traffic, they can certainly compete for the business traffic. It's also not like United looked at Africa and walked away because Delta served it.

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Rouven Guest

AFAIK the Stuttgart route historically served a lot of DoD traffic. Kelly Barracks in Stuttgart host AFRICOM and there are other Army and NATO bases in the area.

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