Canada Will Require Air Travelers To Be Vaccinated

Canada Will Require Air Travelers To Be Vaccinated

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Canadian travelers will need to be vaccinated

Canadian Transport Minister Omar Alghabra has today announced that all air commercial travelers will soon have to be vaccinated (that would of course include flight crews working in the airline industry). This will also apply to cruise ship passengers and those on trains between provinces, but that’s probably less interesting to OMAAT readers.

No exact date has been set yet for this policy, but it’s stated that this will happen no later than the end of October. As Alghabra explained in a statement:

“As soon as possible in the Fall and no later than the end of October, the Government of Canada will require employees in the federally regulated air, rail, and marine transportation sectors to be vaccinated. The vaccination requirement will also extend to certain travelers. This includes all commercial air travelers.”

As it’s explained, this is being done primarily to protect people, but also as an incentive to encourage people to get vaccinated.

Airline passengers in Canada will soon have to be vaccinated

Could we see a similar vaccine requirement in the United States?

With Canada implementing this policy, could we see something similar in the United States? Well, reports suggest that the Biden administration had discussed the possibility of mandating vaccines for interstate travel, but it’s “not under consideration at this moment,” apparently because the administration worried this would be “too polarizing for the moment.”

Of course we’ll see how this situation evolves. Once a vaccine gets final FDA approval, presumably a lot of politicians and businesses will be changing their tune on mandating vaccination. Rumor has it that the United States will soon replace existing travel bans with a requirement for all visitors to be vaccinated.

In addition to the question of whether or not this should be a requirement, there’s the logistical challenge around the “vaccine passport” concept. In the United States, the only proof we have of vaccination is our flimsy little cards, and there’s no other country-wide vaccine database. Realistically before further requirements are introduced, that will likely have to be addressed.

Could we see a similar vaccine requirement in the United States?

Bottom line

Starting this fall, Canada will require all commercial air travelers to be vaccinated. We haven’t seen many countries outright require vaccination to fly, so kudos to Canada for being among the first.

What do you make of Canada’s vaccine requirement for air travel? And do you think we could eventually see a similar system in the United States?

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  1. Angie K.

    Great to see the Canadian government having the guts to do the right thing. Sad to see it needed a government mandate. How did the world go from pyramids, industrial revolution, Sistine chapel, international space station, CRISPR, self-driving cars, etc... to believing it is safer to eat tide pods or inhale tobacco smoke than to receive a vaccine created explicitly for combatting a deadly virus that had thousands of non-political, non-corporate and non-nationalists study/review their...

    Great to see the Canadian government having the guts to do the right thing. Sad to see it needed a government mandate. How did the world go from pyramids, industrial revolution, Sistine chapel, international space station, CRISPR, self-driving cars, etc... to believing it is safer to eat tide pods or inhale tobacco smoke than to receive a vaccine created explicitly for combatting a deadly virus that had thousands of non-political, non-corporate and non-nationalists study/review their safety and efficacy?

  2. Staush

    Bravo. Let’s keep each other safe. No offence intended. If you are strongly against this parameter…. feel free to fly elsewhere.

    1. Honkbert

      Why would it be safer to ban non-infectious people from flying, while letting infectious people on board because they're vaccinated? This makes zero sense. The cause of transmission is infection, not non-vaccination.

      Apparently, vaccination has successfully been framed as "morally clean". Otherwise, people wouldn't believe that a non-infectious non-vaccinated traveller poses a greater risk than an infectious vaccinated traveller.

      These are some truly pre-enlightenment concepts.

      In case of a vaccine providing sterile immunization, a...

      Why would it be safer to ban non-infectious people from flying, while letting infectious people on board because they're vaccinated? This makes zero sense. The cause of transmission is infection, not non-vaccination.

      Apparently, vaccination has successfully been framed as "morally clean". Otherwise, people wouldn't believe that a non-infectious non-vaccinated traveller poses a greater risk than an infectious vaccinated traveller.

      These are some truly pre-enlightenment concepts.

      In case of a vaccine providing sterile immunization, a travel ban of the unvaccinated would at least achieve its declared goal of greater safety. In the absence of sterile immunization, such a policy doesn't even do that, nor is it in any way justifiable to limit the freedom of non-infectious people, while not limiting the freedom of infectious people, as long as they are vaccinated.

      The unvaccinated are nothing but folk devils of the year 2021. Something must be done and someone is to blame. Mission accomplished.

  3. Justice

    Y'all are enjoying your menticide. I hope you enjoy your children not being able to conceive, deal with life long unexplained illnesses, etc.
    That you want people to join medical trials like mice just shows you've been "woke" too long. Get some sleep sheep.
    These arent vaccines, vaccines have viral load in them, they're Mrna, of which the human trial ends jan 31 2023, the animal trials, well, ALL the animals died.
    ...

    Y'all are enjoying your menticide. I hope you enjoy your children not being able to conceive, deal with life long unexplained illnesses, etc.
    That you want people to join medical trials like mice just shows you've been "woke" too long. Get some sleep sheep.
    These arent vaccines, vaccines have viral load in them, they're Mrna, of which the human trial ends jan 31 2023, the animal trials, well, ALL the animals died.
    500k have already died in the USA from these experimental MRNA, so for this journalist that lacks integrity by saying "kudos to Canada for being among the first." I just have to ask, what political party bribed you to write this propoganda piece for the tyrants? Your scienticians are committing menticide on you and in their official documents, YOU ALL ARE REFERRED TO AS, and I quote,
    "Useful idiots".
    Yet you still allow them to tell you what and how to think. You're all jokes and should be ashamed of yourselves for being such uninformed cowards, on the wrong side of history.

  4. Esther Gil

    O Canada... Just like America! Except colder and wiser. Bravo to your people and your government

  5. Yoda

    Todd and Iv are exactly right! Why can't the U.S. be more like Canada. I'm singing their praises now, "Oh Canada....."

  6. Adam Simmons

    It's unbelievable that the US has no national vaccine database. Over here in the EU, we have one database which covers 28 countries!

    1. Parrothead Pilot

      Although the EU has established a COVID-19 data base there are currently several problems within the 23 countries that are signed on to it. One problem is that each country has developed its on protocol which has proven to be problematic. Although the EU established the base form for gathering information, the information is not based on real time input. An example; You do not have to be vaccinated to be in the data base....

      Although the EU has established a COVID-19 data base there are currently several problems within the 23 countries that are signed on to it. One problem is that each country has developed its on protocol which has proven to be problematic. Although the EU established the base form for gathering information, the information is not based on real time input. An example; You do not have to be vaccinated to be in the data base. The data base, at the present, should give the date of your most recent COVID test but it may not be present when your QC scan is read. Those fully vaccinated against COVID may not scan as being fully vaccinated due to differences in the program or app being used by the host country. True, the EU is working to rid the data bank of the bugs but many travelers are running into problems while traveling. Within the 23 countries (there may be more since this information was last posted) that are using the scannable QC data format, most are reporting the success rate of the system is beginning to work better. The biggest problem appears to be data input and retrieval.

  7. Lisa

    Why title it Air Canada? We have other airlines too! I am happy about this though.

  8. Honkbert

    PSA: a vaccine can be effective at preventing hospitalisations and deaths and at the same time not be effective at reducing community transmission. In fact, in highly-vaccinated populations and certain vaccines (e.g. mumps, polio), the majority of secondary transmissions may even be due to people who have been vaccinated. They get infected but they don't get sick and they can still spread it.

    Accepting this as fact, exposes what a travel ban based on vaccination...

    PSA: a vaccine can be effective at preventing hospitalisations and deaths and at the same time not be effective at reducing community transmission. In fact, in highly-vaccinated populations and certain vaccines (e.g. mumps, polio), the majority of secondary transmissions may even be due to people who have been vaccinated. They get infected but they don't get sick and they can still spread it.

    Accepting this as fact, exposes what a travel ban based on vaccination status rather than infection status in case of a non-sterilizing vaccine really is: llogical, punitive, and arbitrary.

  9. Honkbert

    I was recently on a plane with a guy who just couldn't stop coughing. Since he was old, it was likely that he had been vaccinated. If so, he would not have been required to provide a negative COVID test before the flight.

    Had a travel ban for non-vaccinated people without a test requirement for vaccinated people already been in place, he would have been certain to not have been tested.

    Non-vaccination doesn't equal infection...

    I was recently on a plane with a guy who just couldn't stop coughing. Since he was old, it was likely that he had been vaccinated. If so, he would not have been required to provide a negative COVID test before the flight.

    Had a travel ban for non-vaccinated people without a test requirement for vaccinated people already been in place, he would have been certain to not have been tested.

    Non-vaccination doesn't equal infection and vaccination doesn't equal non-infection. Infection equals infection.

    Contrary to popular belief, non-vaccinated people are not unclean.

    If you haven't been infected, you will be at one point in your life. You will be contagious for about eight days, after which you will be either be immune or dead (with the former being true by a very large margin). In both cases you will no longer pose a danger to others.

    It seems to make sense that you need to show proof that you don't happen to be in that eight day interval of your life, so you don't infect others.

    Vaccines do not provide sterile immunization.

    It doesn't make any sense whatsoever that vaccinated people are not required to prove they are not in that eight-day period of their life, while keeping out naturally immune folks (who pose a near zero risk to others) and non-vaccinated people who don't happen to be in that eight-day-period of their life.

    At most, such a ban keeps infected non-vaccinated people from slipping through the test (false negatives), while placing no control over infected vaccinated people travelling.

    To result in a net benefit in terms of curbing contagion, the number of infections averted by not having non-vaccinated false positives slip through would have to be greater than the additional infections you get from not testing the vaccinated. The probability of this being true must be very close to zero.

    This really isn't very hard to understand. I am very confident that the share of people who understand this would be much greater if their minds hadn't been instilled with irrational fear for more than 18 months non-stop.

    So if it is not about mitigation of contagion, what is the measure really about?

  10. Honkbert

    This policy may be efficient in coercing people to get vaccinated. Regarding stopping contagion, I just don't see why non-infected non-vaccinated people should be banned from travel, while infected vaccinated people are free to spread the virus.

    When it comes to contagion, why would it be more relevant whether you are vaccinated than whether you are infected?

    It shouldn't be too hard to see why the popular "driver's license" analogy for vaccine passports is not...

    This policy may be efficient in coercing people to get vaccinated. Regarding stopping contagion, I just don't see why non-infected non-vaccinated people should be banned from travel, while infected vaccinated people are free to spread the virus.

    When it comes to contagion, why would it be more relevant whether you are vaccinated than whether you are infected?

    It shouldn't be too hard to see why the popular "driver's license" analogy for vaccine passports is not meaningful. A driver's license provides some proof that you're a competent driver. A vaccine passport, however, doesn't provide proof that, at the individual level, you are any more competent than a non-vaccinated person to not spread a virus, given that an infected vaccinated person obviously poses a greater danger than a non-infected non-vaccinated person.

    Efficiency of such mandates for mitigation of a pandemic may be arguable for vaccines providing perfect or near perfect sterility, since a vaccinated person would never pose a greater danger than a non-vaccinated person.

    Being based on the false premise of sterile immunization, a ban centered on vaccination status rather than infection status is clearly illogical, punitive, and arbitrary.

    A more fitting analogy would be banning people from driving based on accident statistics of the population sub-group they belong to, rather than on their individual driving skills. Only that your ability to spread a disease is vastly more determined by your current infection status than by your vaccination status, a category error, thus.

    It may offer satisfaction to punish people with a travel ban whose behaviour you don't agree with or cannot wrap your head around, but is neither efficient or just to do so.

  11. Alan

    Canadians must be as naive as Americans when it comes to international news. 80% of the adults in Israel are fully vaccinated and cases, including severe cases, are climbing fast. Iceland is in a similar situation. So why require a vaccination when it is not preventing infection in an ever growing number of those vaccinated every day? Worse yet these policies exclude those who have natural immunity.

    1. Honkbert

      Absolutely. Motivated reasoning is in overdrive and there is massive denial of natural immunity, while the delusion of vaccines providing sterile immunization only seems to fortify every time it is disproved. If anything, naturally immune people should belong to the highest caste in the COVID hierarchy, given that they possess the broadest and most sustained form of immunity and thus pose the least risk to others.

    2. UA-NYC

      Truly, truly ignorant. Guess what ~95%+ of people being admitted to hospitals right now have in common? You got it - not vaccinated.

      Covid is currently a pandemic for the anti-vaxxers, but a just manageable nuisance for the responsible ones getting a vaccine.

    3. Honkbert

      The issue isn't about hospitalizations or deaths or vaccines per se.

      A vaccine my be effective at reducing hospitalisations and deaths and not be effective at reducing community transmission. For the COVID vaccines in use now, we have known this to be true at least since Delta variant. This has now been confirmed many times and is firmly supported by epidemiological data, i.e. most countries with the highest vaccination rates also happen to be thos

    4. Honkbert

      e with the highest incidences:

      https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/travelers/map-and-travel-notices.html

      Although this is beside the point for the discussion of a blanket travel ban of non-vaccinated people, 20% of hospitalisations in Ontario are partially or fully vaccinated people ("fully" still meaning 1 J & J shot or 2 shots of an mRNA vaccine or AstraZeneca):

      https://covid-19.ontario.ca/data/hospitalizations

      Sorry, pressed the "reply" button accidentally, earlier...

      e with the highest incidences:

      https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/travelers/map-and-travel-notices.html

      Although this is beside the point for the discussion of a blanket travel ban of non-vaccinated people, 20% of hospitalisations in Ontario are partially or fully vaccinated people ("fully" still meaning 1 J & J shot or 2 shots of an mRNA vaccine or AstraZeneca):

      https://covid-19.ontario.ca/data/hospitalizations

      Sorry, pressed the "reply" button accidentally, earlier...

    5. Alan

      In Israel this is not the case and their hospitals are filling fast. The unvaccinated still outpace the vaccinated but it is clear the risk is now high for both groups.
      I definitely question the CDC reporting given Biden's credibility on other issues Watch this press conference from July 8th - it is off topic but clearly shows either Biden is being left in the dark or purposedly not telling the truth
      https://twitter.com/BryanDeanWright/status/1426710333264179214?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1426710333264179214%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_c10&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.zerohedge.com%2Fpolitical%2Fformer-cia-officer-most-infamous-devastating-press-conference-ever-held-american

      In Israel this is not the case and their hospitals are filling fast. The unvaccinated still outpace the vaccinated but it is clear the risk is now high for both groups.
      I definitely question the CDC reporting given Biden's credibility on other issues Watch this press conference from July 8th - it is off topic but clearly shows either Biden is being left in the dark or purposedly not telling the truth
      https://twitter.com/BryanDeanWright/status/1426710333264179214?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1426710333264179214%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_c10&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.zerohedge.com%2Fpolitical%2Fformer-cia-officer-most-infamous-devastating-press-conference-ever-held-american

  12. S_LEE

    Will this be mandated to international travelers as well? There still are so many countries where it's really hard to get the vaccine.
    I'm Korean and only 15% of Korean population have been fully vaccinated even though most Koreans are eager to get the shots.
    A lot of Koreans booked flights to Canada or the US for study or business and they're seriously worried if they'll be banned from their flights.
    It's...

    Will this be mandated to international travelers as well? There still are so many countries where it's really hard to get the vaccine.
    I'm Korean and only 15% of Korean population have been fully vaccinated even though most Koreans are eager to get the shots.
    A lot of Koreans booked flights to Canada or the US for study or business and they're seriously worried if they'll be banned from their flights.
    It's not their choice to not get vaccinated. Tens of millions of Koreans do wanna get vaccinated ASAP but the vaccine rollout is ridiculously slow there. There's no hope for them to get fully vaccinated until this winter.

  13. BobMex

    So when does this restriction end, because it is only a temporary measure, right? Soon the vast majority will be vaccinated, herd immunity reached and risk from covid low, so what reasonable grounds would remain to continue with this restriction?

  14. AC

    Hope the US does this - not only would it make things safer on planes, trains and buses it would most likely result in many more people getting vaccinated.

    BTW Lucky while there isn't a national digital passport (and likely will never be) there are a number of apps that have similar capabilities (I've downloaded about 5 of them and plan to populate each with my info). In addition, you have Verifly which AA could...

    Hope the US does this - not only would it make things safer on planes, trains and buses it would most likely result in many more people getting vaccinated.

    BTW Lucky while there isn't a national digital passport (and likely will never be) there are a number of apps that have similar capabilities (I've downloaded about 5 of them and plan to populate each with my info). In addition, you have Verifly which AA could easily use (since their app). Finally IBM is working on a healthcare passport that could be about as close to one standard as anything. In any event I wouldn't let the wait for a national digital passport get in the way. I suspect the transportation companies would accept any reasonable proof (including CDC cards) and that likely would include a limited set of apps although they may vary by carrier which is 1 reason I have multiple options.

  15. Andy

    Well, this was sort of what I expected from the beginning of the pandemic. I've travelled to numerous countries (pre-pandemic) where some kind of vaccine was an immigration requirement (mostly yellow fever). I sort of thought that adding COVID-19 to that list will be the default option for all countries ...

  16. eric

    If this means I can enter without any additional measures (quarantine, testing and so on) I welcome it! Hope USA will follow ASAP. Or can I enter over land from Canada? :-)

  17. John

    Joe, it’s time to man up! Mandate, get vaccinated or stay home. Impose a Vax Passport that other countries will accept. The rest of us want to get on with our lives. Get vaxed or lose your health care coverage……meaning, you pay for ten days in ICU, not the rest of us. Pussyfooting, this intransigence insures our economy will not recover as it should in time to pay the taxes needed to pay for our collapsing infrastructure.

  18. George

    'This is how the empire dies. To thunderous applause.'

    1. Pimhorten

      Who cares about Canada, anyways...

    2. UA-NYC

      Looks like you'll just have to cross off Canada on all your anti-vaxxing globe trotting "business" travel...along with many other countries hopefully soon

  19. S.

    Anyone who needs to get these shots better start now if they want to be fully vaxxed by October!

  20. Andre

    Canada has turned into a dictatorship. Cue to all the petty tyrants who will cheer this totalitarian measure creating a two-tiered society and new form of health apartheid.

  21. traveler

    So which vaccine are they recognizing then?

    1. YULtide

      Currently recognized in Canada are Pfizer, Moderna, AstraZeneca and Johnson & Johnson. AFAIK the latter has not been distributed for use because we have plenty of the others available. AFAIK only Pfizer is currently approved for use in under 18s, for 12 years old and up.

  22. Gregory

    What bubble are you people living in? 35% of the population do not like being told what to do with their bodies and if the government really cared for everyone, they might have thought about promoting the true science of Vitamin D3 and Ivermectin. Anytime the most credentialed and elite of the world's top doctors and scientists have Dr. Pierre Kory testify before the United Stated Senate and YouTube, FB and twitter censure it, to...

    What bubble are you people living in? 35% of the population do not like being told what to do with their bodies and if the government really cared for everyone, they might have thought about promoting the true science of Vitamin D3 and Ivermectin. Anytime the most credentialed and elite of the world's top doctors and scientists have Dr. Pierre Kory testify before the United Stated Senate and YouTube, FB and twitter censure it, to smart people, they start wondering WHY! It makes them suspicious when the top credentialed people are taken down form social media, someone's cash register is ringing. Read people - you think these morons in government ever treated a single patient? Listen to the pros who treated 10's of thousands each. The ignorant people who have not Googles the truth that masks DO NOT work due to the size of the microbes are the same ones that vomit this garbage. Read. Research. Challenge. Read the studies by real doctors and think.= for yourself!

    1. Ken

      I always laugh at people who yell at me to "think for myself" while telling me exactly where I should stand on the issue...which coincidentally mirrors their own stance.

    2. David

      Please cite the highly credible studies you mention.

      Also, as an aside, curious what percentage of that 35% that don't like being told what to do with their bodies are completely ok telling a woman whether she can have an abortion or not?

  23. Doug

    A government should never require a vaccine that is not 100% safe. If a small number of people have serious side effects, the government should reimburse those people for medical care, lost wages, pain and suffering, etc.

    1. UA-NYC

      Care to name any medicine, vaccine, or other solution of any kind in history that is 100.00% perfect?

      Sometimes 99.999% or so is good enough.

    2. Ed

      Say good bye to driving, crossing the street, booze or breathing if that's your attitude.

    3. Will

      That’s exactly the point- each person should be FREE to make their own personal risk decision. If your vaccinated, you’re safe from severe disease. The actions of others doesn’t matter

    4. CP

      It’s not 100% safe - but 100% safer than not being vaccinated.

  24. Tom

    This should have been the rule in the USA by August 1st.
    Want to fly, be vaccinted.
    Simple.

    100,000 cases a day. Enough said.

    1. OVER IT ALL

      Yes! Can’t wait for all those snotty people to be disallowed from travel. I cringe every time I hear sneezes and feel the fine mist spraying over the back of my seat as they relentlessly kick & fidget behind me (especially children that won’t cover coughs or wear a mask). Since my vaccine (yes, I am vaxxed) doesn’t prevent me from getting or transmitting a virus, I want them to STAY HOME and NOT TRAVEL....

      Yes! Can’t wait for all those snotty people to be disallowed from travel. I cringe every time I hear sneezes and feel the fine mist spraying over the back of my seat as they relentlessly kick & fidget behind me (especially children that won’t cover coughs or wear a mask). Since my vaccine (yes, I am vaxxed) doesn’t prevent me from getting or transmitting a virus, I want them to STAY HOME and NOT TRAVEL. I agree: I did my part for the public good and those that did not for whatever reason (hesitancy, age, underlying conditions, previous infections) should not be allowed to move about freely through our society because they are an active threat. I can only hope that vaccines & masking continue thru flu season.

    2. Alan

      Many of those 100,000 are fully vaccinated.

    3. David

      This is a completely misleading statement commonly used to bolster the boneheaded anti-vax argument. As remarkably effective as the COVID vaccines have been, they were never expected to be 100% effective against infection. The delta variant is highly contagious compared to earlier versions and yes some - far more accurate a term than many - are in fully vaccinated individuals. Can you imagine how many cases we would have daily if no one was vaccinated...

      This is a completely misleading statement commonly used to bolster the boneheaded anti-vax argument. As remarkably effective as the COVID vaccines have been, they were never expected to be 100% effective against infection. The delta variant is highly contagious compared to earlier versions and yes some - far more accurate a term than many - are in fully vaccinated individuals. Can you imagine how many cases we would have daily if no one was vaccinated with delta circulating??? Ask India.

      Here are some better stats for you @Alan, even considering the "many" breakthrough infections you reference, more than 95% of hospitalizations and deaths are among unvaccinated individuals. And all those hospital beds and other resources being occupied by people choosing - in most cases - to put themselves at added risk aren't just meant for COVID patients. In other words, not only are they aiding the continued spread of COVID they're also taking away precious healthcare resources from those that need them for actually unavoidable reasons.

    4. Honkbert

      OK, I asked India. This is their reply:

      https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=2020-03-01..latest&facet=none&pickerSort=asc&pickerMetric=location&Metric=Confirmed+cases&Interval=7-day+rolling+average&Relative+to+Population=true&Align+outbreaks=false&country=USA~IND

      https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=2020-03-01..latest&facet=none&pickerSort=asc&pickerMetric=location&Metric=People+fully+vaccinated&Interval=7-day+rolling+average&Relative+to+Population=true&Align+outbreaks=false&country=USA~IND

      Apart from that, the point wasn't whether vaccines reduce hospitalisations or deaths. The point is: with a leaky, non-sterilizing vaccine, the risk of you infecting others is determined by your current infection status to a much larger degree than by your vaccination status.

      Ask the CDC and you will find that they warn you to travel to the countries with the highest vaccination rates...

      OK, I asked India. This is their reply:

      https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=2020-03-01..latest&facet=none&pickerSort=asc&pickerMetric=location&Metric=Confirmed+cases&Interval=7-day+rolling+average&Relative+to+Population=true&Align+outbreaks=false&country=USA~IND

      https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=2020-03-01..latest&facet=none&pickerSort=asc&pickerMetric=location&Metric=People+fully+vaccinated&Interval=7-day+rolling+average&Relative+to+Population=true&Align+outbreaks=false&country=USA~IND

      Apart from that, the point wasn't whether vaccines reduce hospitalisations or deaths. The point is: with a leaky, non-sterilizing vaccine, the risk of you infecting others is determined by your current infection status to a much larger degree than by your vaccination status.

      Ask the CDC and you will find that they warn you to travel to the countries with the highest vaccination rates because they happen to also be the countries with the highest incidences of COVID (e.g. Iceland, Israel, Gibraltar, Malta, etc.):

      https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/travelers/map-and-travel-notices.html

      Btw (again: this wasn't the point): presently, 20% of hospitalisations in Ontario are partially or fully vaccinated people:

      https://covid-19.ontario.ca/data/hospitalizations

    5. David

      Again a very misleading use of data, but I'll get to that in a moment. You said: "The point is: with a leaky, non-sterilizing vaccine, the risk of you infecting others is determined by your current infection status to a much larger degree than by your vaccination status." Putting aside that I'm not sure what vaccine would be unleaky or sterilizing in your mind, you're far less likely to be infected when vaccinated than not...

      Again a very misleading use of data, but I'll get to that in a moment. You said: "The point is: with a leaky, non-sterilizing vaccine, the risk of you infecting others is determined by your current infection status to a much larger degree than by your vaccination status." Putting aside that I'm not sure what vaccine would be unleaky or sterilizing in your mind, you're far less likely to be infected when vaccinated than not vaccinated. So while your risk of infecting other is determined by your current infection status, the vaccinated are far less likely to be infected in the first place and therefore are less of a risk to others. Moreover, there is a study out of Singapore that indicates vaccinated people with breakthrough delta infections are infectious for shorter periods than those that are unvaccinated (https://www.scmp.com/week-asia/health-environment/article/3143805/coronavirus-singapore-study-mrna-vaccines-effect-delta). I'm actually not clear what your argument is here - we'd be better off with less people vaccinated, because the vaccines aren't 100% effective??? Or everyone should be subject to testing before flying regardless of vaccination status. I guess the latter point is an argument I can understand even if I disagree with it, but you seem to be trying to poke holes in the benefits of vaccination which is senseless.

      You'll note that the India data you cited shows a huge spike in cases when Delta first emerged there (and by all accounts that was a vast undercount). Eventually it burned itself out as it likely/hopefully will in the US. What's unfortunate is we likely could have avoided the spike we're now seeing here to a greater degree if more people were vaccinated. India didn't and still doesn't have vaccines widely available as your stats show.

      As for Ontario, 71.63% of Ontario's population is vaccinated (https://health-infobase.canada.ca/covid-19/vaccination-coverage/). Compare that, for example, with Texas' rate of 54.6%. Again no one has ever claimed that vaccines are 100% effective, but as the vaccination rate increases those breakthrough cases will represent a greater proportion of the hospitalized and deaths, but that doesn't mean the rates of hospitalizations and deaths among fully vaccinated are increasing. Now for hard numbers: the data you cited shows that 15% (not 20) of hospitalizations in Ontario are people that are partially or fully vaccinated (fully vaccinated are actually only 8% of hospitalizations and 1.8% of ICU admissions), but the total number of hospitalizations for COVID is only 143. Out of a population of 14.57 million, that's a current hospitalization rate of less than 1 per 100,000. Back to Texas for comparison with a current hospitalization rate of 37.5 per 100,000 and 95%+ of those Texans are unvaccinated. I'll take Ontario's numbers even if it includes a higher proportion of breakthrough infections leading to hospitalization any day.

    6. Honkbert

      I'm not talking about vaccine effectiveness which is a separate issue. For some reason, people still seem to confuse these two parameters. A vaccine can be very effective at preventing disease and not very effective at reducing transmission.

      No, I didn't argue "we'd be better off with less people vaccinated, because the vaccines aren't 100% effective???". My argument is not about the vaccines' effectiveness at preventing disease. I'm also not poking holes at the...

      I'm not talking about vaccine effectiveness which is a separate issue. For some reason, people still seem to confuse these two parameters. A vaccine can be very effective at preventing disease and not very effective at reducing transmission.

      No, I didn't argue "we'd be better off with less people vaccinated, because the vaccines aren't 100% effective???". My argument is not about the vaccines' effectiveness at preventing disease. I'm also not poking holes at the benefits of vaccination. I'm poking holes at what I consider an ill-designed policy for reducing community transmission, being based on vaccination status rather than infection status.

      My argument concerns transmission. An infected vaccinated person can transmit, while a non-infected non-vaccinated person can't.

      So you say that despite a much lower vaccination rate, the Delta variant "burnt itself out" in India and that the lower number of cases and deaths per capita than in countries with high vaccination rates should be attributed to undercounting - except for the spike which, I understand, was counted correctly?

      From seeing low incidences in low vaccination countries, such as India, and high incidences in countries with high vaccination rates after rollout of vaccinations, such as Iceland, you draw the conclusion that vaccination reduces transmission? Sorry, but I cannot follow.

      Even if vaccination reduces transmissibility, it will always be significantly more than zero, unless you're dealing with a vaccine that provides solid sterility, such as the measles vaccine.

      My point: if you want to reduce transmission, it makes much more sense to focus on who is infected, rather than who is vaccinated.

      Yes, there are some indications that even in the Delta variant vaccination may still reduce transmission somewhat. As long as this reduction isn't close to zero, a non-infected non-vaccinated person will always contribute less to transmission (0) than an infected vaccinated person.

      Yes, the Singapore study shows a faster decay in viral load in vaccinated people. However, during the critical period with the highest transmissibility, there is no difference (except for the viral load in the vaccinated being temporarily, but not significantly, higher). The faster decay only sets in later once it doesn't affects transmission much less or ot at all.

      Again: I wasn't discussing the merits of vaccination. I only addressed hospitalisations because you claimed that >95% are in unvaccinated people . Right now, https://covid-19.ontario.ca/data/hospitalizations shows me 85 hospitalisations in Ontario, out of which 67 are unvaccinated, 6 partially vaccinated, and 11 fully vaccinated.

  25. NYGuy24

    Good for Canada. Too bad our government doesn't have the backbone to do something like this in order to stop the spread of the virus.

  26. Azamaraal

    Sadly there is no teeth proposed in the legislation. Canada "banned international travel" in March 2020 and the change in the number of international visitors was almost unnoticeable.

    The number who crossed the borders and entered the country for the past year is huge. How else did all the Covid variants enter BC from India? and the UK? so rapidly.

    This is just virtue signalling by the PM Trudeau's election campaign office. To our neighbours...

    Sadly there is no teeth proposed in the legislation. Canada "banned international travel" in March 2020 and the change in the number of international visitors was almost unnoticeable.

    The number who crossed the borders and entered the country for the past year is huge. How else did all the Covid variants enter BC from India? and the UK? so rapidly.

    This is just virtue signalling by the PM Trudeau's election campaign office. To our neighbours to the south - Trudeau is calling an election this Sunday that will be held at the end of September so that he can get elected before the news of all his failures related to Covid come back to haunt him.

    1. DenB

      To our neighbours to the south, the comment above came from a partisan, in the camp that dislikes the Prime Minister and his party. The fact is that in the last election more votes were cast for his party (Liberal) than for any other. It's widely believed that the election will be called because the Liberals are likely to capture an even greater share of the votes, maybe even a majority. In other words, the opinion expressed above is a minority opinion.

    2. Azamaraal

      Unfortunately DnB is confused. I think he has been drinking Trudeau juice. Result by party

      Conservatives 34.3%
      Liberals 33.1%
      NDP 16.0%
      Bloc 7.6%
      Green 6.6%
      People's 1.6%
      (Source: Wikipedia)

      Because of gerrymandering the Liberals scored more seats (157) than the Conservatives (121) with significantly (statistical definition) less popular vote. The USA often suffers the same outcome.

      Although Trudeau has thrown Billions of dollars in the last weeks to Quebec,...

      Unfortunately DnB is confused. I think he has been drinking Trudeau juice. Result by party

      Conservatives 34.3%
      Liberals 33.1%
      NDP 16.0%
      Bloc 7.6%
      Green 6.6%
      People's 1.6%
      (Source: Wikipedia)

      Because of gerrymandering the Liberals scored more seats (157) than the Conservatives (121) with significantly (statistical definition) less popular vote. The USA often suffers the same outcome.

      Although Trudeau has thrown Billions of dollars in the last weeks to Quebec, NFLD, Manitoba and Ontario there is some doubt if he has fooled enough people to secure the mandate he requires to shut down free speech. He has already seduced the mainstream media with hundred million handouts (more to come) but our new 121 TRILLION dollar deficit will make some people actually think before they bring back the drama teacher.

      I suspect that DenB might be a Liberal.

    3. Arie

      Gerrymandering is not an issue in Canada since the electoral map is drawn by non-partisan organizations without the influence of political parties. The reason the Liberals got into power and formed a minority government is that the Conservatives have one area of the country where they run strong, very strong, but they lack the wide appeal of the liberals who formed a government with the help of the NDP. Together they claimed 49% of the...

      Gerrymandering is not an issue in Canada since the electoral map is drawn by non-partisan organizations without the influence of political parties. The reason the Liberals got into power and formed a minority government is that the Conservatives have one area of the country where they run strong, very strong, but they lack the wide appeal of the liberals who formed a government with the help of the NDP. Together they claimed 49% of the votes versus the 34.3% of the Conservatives. The deficit for 2020/21 is at 314 Billion which is 'slightly' less than 121 Trillion. Yes they gave millions and billions to media companies, airlines, and for that matter, everyone - that is the job. It's called being responsible. And as far as free speech, you still have a right to make stuff up like this so...

    4. Kyle

      You clearly have no understanding of how Canadian politics work because an independent agent determines how election districts work, not politicians.

      The Conservative party has strong support in a few provinces and very little or less in the rest of the country so the popular vote is not a good indicator

    5. Evan

      You clearly do not understand how the Canadian electoral system works and this is not an example of gerrymandering. National political popularity has nothing to do with electing MPs by riding in our first past the post system. Riding are drawn by a non-partisan process and doesn’t lead to gerrymandered districts such as in the US.

    6. Azamaraal

      Some Liberal respondents pretend that the Liberal Party represents all Canadians. Actually, this might be true in Ontario but not elsewhere.

      Of 157 seats, the Liberal Party has a grand total of 15 west of Ontario (and probably west of Toronto). 11 in the metropolitan area of Vancouver and 4 in some mistaken parts of Manitoba.

      The Liberal Party does not represent over half of Canada. Just the Laurentian Elites and wannabees. And receivers...

      Some Liberal respondents pretend that the Liberal Party represents all Canadians. Actually, this might be true in Ontario but not elsewhere.

      Of 157 seats, the Liberal Party has a grand total of 15 west of Ontario (and probably west of Toronto). 11 in the metropolitan area of Vancouver and 4 in some mistaken parts of Manitoba.

      The Liberal Party does not represent over half of Canada. Just the Laurentian Elites and wannabees. And receivers of the recent pre-election bribes of 20 Billion dollars to the faithful.

      The Conservatives are not represented only in Nfld and PEI, the biggest takers of the Federal transfer payments (handouts) from the West to the East. (But together this only represents a total of 11 seats anyway). Nfld just got $6 Billion to finish their overpriced Muskrat Falls project.

    7. Will

      Trudeau will virtue himself into realizing Fidel is daddy

  27. Will

    Fundamentally impossible in the US due to the interstate commerce clause in that thing called the Constitution, hate to break it to you. Australia, Canada can have the authoritarian overreach. If you’re vaccinated your safe- chill out

    1. Ken

      I always laugh at the laziest arguments that say things like "that thing called the Constitution." Your argument is flawed. Unvaccinated people put my children at risk since they are not yet eligible for vaccination themselves. This isn't about the individual who is (or isn't) vaccinated -- it's about the public good. Like mandating that YOU wear a seatbelt, stop at red lights, and drive on the right side of the road, even though you...

      I always laugh at the laziest arguments that say things like "that thing called the Constitution." Your argument is flawed. Unvaccinated people put my children at risk since they are not yet eligible for vaccination themselves. This isn't about the individual who is (or isn't) vaccinated -- it's about the public good. Like mandating that YOU wear a seatbelt, stop at red lights, and drive on the right side of the road, even though you are a great driver with no history of accidents. And hate to break it to you: It's "you're," not "your." Chill out.

    2. Frustrated traveler

      …and your UNvaccinated children put ME at risk since I can absolutely catch COVID from them, even tho I’m Vaxxed. Keep them locked down and not traveling in public or going to school/stores until they’re vaccinated. If they’re not vaccinated, they should not be allowed in public venues like movie theaters, sports events and concerts.
      Your comments are very much about the “individual who is (or isn’t ) vaccinated” and therefore children MUST be...

      …and your UNvaccinated children put ME at risk since I can absolutely catch COVID from them, even tho I’m Vaxxed. Keep them locked down and not traveling in public or going to school/stores until they’re vaccinated. If they’re not vaccinated, they should not be allowed in public venues like movie theaters, sports events and concerts.
      Your comments are very much about the “individual who is (or isn’t ) vaccinated” and therefore children MUST be included because that’s how mass mandates work. For instance, children have to wear seatbelts regardless of how good a driving record the parent have.
      PS Be very careful about judging people that don’t meet your requirements- the day is coming when new mandates will be announced (ie boosters) and you may suddenly become part of the group that you now revile.

    3. Will

      Unfortunately, for you, you are legally incorrect, and fundamentally do not understand the purpose of a Constitution or any foundational governing document. Functionally, the Biden administration has realized this, hence why they have not. A governing document does not operate green lights, instead it functions as red lights (figured color coding would help you). What that means, is that it’s not an allowance to act it’s a limit to what can be done. The very...

      Unfortunately, for you, you are legally incorrect, and fundamentally do not understand the purpose of a Constitution or any foundational governing document. Functionally, the Biden administration has realized this, hence why they have not. A governing document does not operate green lights, instead it functions as red lights (figured color coding would help you). What that means, is that it’s not an allowance to act it’s a limit to what can be done. The very concept of a public good is limited in its legal definition in the USA, and the majority of public health is designated to states in a federal system. Once again, my apologies for your ignorance. You are free to leave with your unvaccinated children for greener pastures, certainly allowed and your right to do so (unlike Australia, where you are forced to remain within the boarder). However, you don’t get to impose fleeting wills on the broader population due to personal fears in a system based on measured equality before the law. Take a lap, and chill out. Any action that imposes restrictions on interstate commerce violates the Constitution- I know that’s inconvenient for you, but it’s reality. The reason for that, in case your ignorance is curious, is that at the founding framers believed that delegating decentralized power would afford the USA the best ability to understand local differences and avoid prescriptive politics like the British Empire, which created draconian measures to enforce the will of the Ling. Pick up a book, educated yourself, and be better.

    4. Will

      Unfortunately, for you, you are legally incorrect, and fundamentally do not understand the purpose of a Constitution or any foundational governing document. Functionally, the Biden administration has realized this, hence why they have not. A governing document does not operate green lights, instead it functions as red lights (figured color coding would help you). What that means, is that it’s not an allowance to act it’s a limit to what can be done. The very...

      Unfortunately, for you, you are legally incorrect, and fundamentally do not understand the purpose of a Constitution or any foundational governing document. Functionally, the Biden administration has realized this, hence why they have not. A governing document does not operate green lights, instead it functions as red lights (figured color coding would help you). What that means, is that it’s not an allowance to act it’s a limit to what can be done. The very concept of a public good is limited in its legal definition in the USA, and the majority of public health is designated to states in a federal system. Once again, my apologies for your ignorance. You are free to leave with your unvaccinated children for greener pastures, certainly allowed and your right to do so (unlike Australia, where you are forced to remain within the boarder). However, you don’t get to impose fleeting wills on the broader population due to personal fears in a system based on measured equality before the law. Take a lap, and chill out. Any action that imposes restrictions on interstate commerce violates the Constitution- I know that’s inconvenient for you, but it’s reality. The reason for that, in case your ignorance is curious, is that at the founding framers believed that delegating decentralized power would afford the USA the best ability to understand local differences and avoid prescriptive politics like the British Empire, which created draconian measures to enforce the will of the Ling. Pick up a book, educated yourself, and be better. One of us is a lawyer, clearly one of us is not.

  28. Bear

    At least some govenments have the brains and balls to implement this common sense approach.

  29. Tim Evans

    I was dreading travel being stuck with unvaccinated people within a cabin but this post has made my day! Hooray for Air Canada!!!

  30. bob

    I don't mind the requirements. In fact I wish there were a lot more countries doing this (especially usa).

    But at the end of the day you know that the people in this world who do the right thing will generally always do the right thing and things like mask/vaccine mandates are easy to implement. For the other fools, they'll go buy fake cdc vaccine cards, hold protests to demand their freedom because they never...

    I don't mind the requirements. In fact I wish there were a lot more countries doing this (especially usa).

    But at the end of the day you know that the people in this world who do the right thing will generally always do the right thing and things like mask/vaccine mandates are easy to implement. For the other fools, they'll go buy fake cdc vaccine cards, hold protests to demand their freedom because they never finished high school and don't realize personal freedom does not allow you to trump population healthy and safety.

    They holler and scream that "you don't know whats in that vaccine" and in the same breath cram twinkies and potato chips down their throat which have far more chemicals, growth hormones and pesticides that have proven to be more fatal to you than a vaccine. But you know that kind of logic requires a brain and ability to reason which we all now know a certain portion of the population just don't possess. So that group will always be the problem child and the ones we have to do extra work for to make things partially functional.

    1. Commenting Commenter

      This is the best message of this whole post!

  31. Kaelan kwan

    We have done something right- Proud to be Canadian!!

  32. Cedric

    One of my friends was holding out on the vaccine and he finally realized that if you want to travel there is simply no way around getting your shots, save a few countries. It has been obvious for while if you ask me…

  33. Janet

    Bravo Canada. Of course vaccines not political there and they don’t have m0r0n premiers like the governors of Texas, Florida et al. who defy public health and kill their constituents in hopes of pleasing the former President.

  34. Jim F.

    You wrote, "...the United States will soon replace existing travel bans with a requirement for all visitors to be vaccinated." Does this mean that "visitors" will be able to enter the U.S. with proof of vaccination while vaccinated citizens will need a negative COVID test to come home?

    1. Jan

      This administration has, at one point, kept EU banned while India at 400k+ cases a day remained open. I would say this is a possibility given how dumb they’ve been.

    2. Milo

      The head of this administration asked us NOT to trust any of the 3 US made vaccines just 10 months ago.

      Don't pretend it didn't happen.

    3. Kyrial

      From Politifact-

      https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/jul/23/tiktok-posts/biden-harris-doubted-trump-covid-19-vaccines-not-v/

      Nuanced yes but not an exactly an expression of distrust in the vaccines or the science behind them.

  35. James S

    Good.

    If you're scared is a needle, you need to stay home. The rest of us are ready to live our vaccinated lives.

    1. Chad

      Don’t act like it’s because people are afraid of a needle. You’re doing yourself a disservice by acting this ignorant

    2. Alonzo

      The unvaccinated people ARE living their lives lmao. And have been for months. Who you think is overcrowding Mexico?

    3. Commenting Commenter

      Like that viral TikTok guy with his cancer patient wife who got discharged from the hospital said: If the unvaccinated get COVID or their kids, don't go to the hospital. Ride it at home and own your decisions. They're afraid of a vaccine but are OK being poked and prodded with tons of unknown chemicals and drugs at the hospital to keep them alive… Ridiculuous. We should let natural selection play out as it should.

    4. Will

      We should do the same for alcoholics too! Only treat what you think should be treated! Skip the flu shot- no hospital! Overweight and diabetic- no insulin! Any lifestyle disease- no treatment!

  36. GM

    In my opinion this is a great policy and a step in the right direction, the only question I have is how would such a policy affect travel with children who are under the age that is currently approved to receive the vaccine.

    Would they be required to present a negative test result?
    Or would a family that is fully vaccinated except for a child be unable to travel on a Canadian airline or enter the US

  37. Alonzo

    Right, because everyone in Canada is fully vaccinated lol. That's fine, let's see how well Toronto and Montreal do without mass tourism going into the cold winter.

    1. DenB

      There is no mass tourismnow, or ever, in cold winter. I live in Toronto.

    2. Alonzo

      Over 27 million tourists visit Toronto annually. And spend over 8 billion dollars per a year. If that's not significant, idk what is. That is straight from the Toronto tourism website. Hard to believe a good chunk of that is not during the winter/fall months.

    3. Arie

      Most of those are visitors from other cities and provinces in Canada, and they continue to visit and spend money.

      Yes it's a hit but a small one relative to the economy, and with so many people already vaccinated they will only lose a small part of foreign visitors.

      After a slow start Canada now has over 82% of its 12 and over population vaccinated and is leading all other industrialized nations so it makes sense for canadians to require this.

    4. Miamiorbust

      Yes, but it is Canada. Who cares? Seriously, nice enough people and all but kind of a global footnote and not going impact policy of other countries. Happy to let our friends from the great white north continue living in their natural resource-subsidized bubble. We can catch up after the next panthers game. Been there, done that. Plenty of other places to go.

    5. Shutterbug

      They will do very well and won't suffer just because a number of unvaccinated tourists stay away who would throw a fit when asked to at least mask up.

      Those antivaxxers rather go to Florida anyway, it's warmer there and the Governor is right down their alley.

  38. AlanD

    Kudos to Canada!

    Canadian Thanksgiving is on October 11th, so it seems like it would make sense to try and have the policy in place before then for domestic flights.

    I do think the Biden administration should at least move to requiring either vaccination or a negative PCR test for domestic flights. PCR tests are so easy to get these days that few could complain, and it avoids the new political battle of pushing (much...

    Kudos to Canada!

    Canadian Thanksgiving is on October 11th, so it seems like it would make sense to try and have the policy in place before then for domestic flights.

    I do think the Biden administration should at least move to requiring either vaccination or a negative PCR test for domestic flights. PCR tests are so easy to get these days that few could complain, and it avoids the new political battle of pushing (much needed) vaccination. It reduces risk to flyers and the ease with which superspreaders move around the country. It is also enough inconvenience to stop some of the real fundamentalist assholes from flying.

    I suspect we will see the federal mask mandate extended through at least January 6th to cover the busy Thanksgiving and Holiday travel seasons.

  39. Andrew

    @Ben

    Does this apply if you're connecting through Canada?

  40. Frances Price

    I'm thrilled. I'm planning a pre-Christmas trip to Ottawa and this makes me feel even better about it. Was already happy that the country was requiring proof of vaccination, now the airline will too! Good job Canada!

    1. Parrothead Pilot

      Just to note: Who will be responsible for making sure a person/traveler is fully vaccinated and what evidence of that proof will be required. As an airline pilot, my airline has not been given any regulatory rules as to what proof of “fully vaccinated” is acceptable. And no regulatory agencies within the USA or Canada have answered this question.

  41. Max

    Countries should impose sanctions against Canada. Forbidding people to take a train and to fly is an authoritarian measure, which is totally unacceptable.

    1. staradmiral

      No one is forbidding anyone to train or fly. Just need the vaccine which is free and widely available. That's like complaining about not being able to fly without paying,

      No different that schools requiring complete immunization.

    2. Never In Doubt

      staradmiral, don’t feed the troll.

    3. Donato

      Actually, there is a big difference. There are people that have had their lives changed by vaccines in general and have been partly reimbursed in acceptance of their claims. So people are careful.

      The Covid vaccines so far are not FDA approved. No school in the USA should mandate a vaccine which is not fully FDA approved.

    4. NYGuy24

      Vaccines are approved for emergency use so they ARE FDA approved. You are talking about full approval which requires tons of data to be analyzed from all subsections of society. 354 million doses of the vaccines have been given in the US and there haven't been any significant issues with the MRNA vaccines. I laugh when I hear people claim that the vaccines don't have full FDA approval, because I know the second that full...

      Vaccines are approved for emergency use so they ARE FDA approved. You are talking about full approval which requires tons of data to be analyzed from all subsections of society. 354 million doses of the vaccines have been given in the US and there haven't been any significant issues with the MRNA vaccines. I laugh when I hear people claim that the vaccines don't have full FDA approval, because I know the second that full approval comes down those same people will claim it is all a government conspiracy and the FDA is just doing Biden's bidding and the vaccines aren't safe etc. Only a fool would believe people who are anti-vaxxers will suddenly change their tune with FDA full approval. People like that just use it as an excuse to attempt to justify their refusal to take the vaccine.

    5. Miamiorbust

      This statement is false. EUA is not FDA approval. Not in any way comparable and making reckless statements like this just undermine credibility of regulatory review process. No more twitter for you.

    6. Kyle

      It doesn’t matter whether the vaccines are FDA approved or not because the FDA is an American government department and its decisions have no bearing on the laws in Canada

    7. Arie

      I know right! What's next are they going to require a 'driver's license' to drive in Canada or a passport to enter Canada?

  42. Santastico

    “too polarizing for the moment.” What is his concern? It is time for this dinosaur to take some adult measures instead of being a wimpy and mandate masks for vaccinated people. Let Darwin take care of the rest.

    1. Donna

      Exactly. This is a public health decision, not a political tactic. Who cares what the polarizing effect is? If you’ve been paying attention in the past nine months since the election, things are plenty polarized without a vaccine mandate for air and rail travel. Does the administration think they can win over the anti-vaxxers by leaving travel mandates out of the mix?

    2. GLCTraveler

      Bravo Donna, Bravo!! :)

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No one is forbidding anyone to train or fly. Just need the vaccine which is free and widely available. That's like complaining about not being able to fly without paying, No different that schools requiring complete immunization.

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