Horrible Credit Card Advice From A “Financial Expert”

CNBC has an article with advice from “financial expert” Kevin O’Leary from Shark Tank about how many credit cards you should have, and how you should use them.

And it’s really, really bad advice. Which I’m sorta sad to see, since he has always been my favorite guy on Shark Tank.

His advice centers around the following:

  • How many credit cards you should have, and why
  • How many credit cards he has, and the ridiculous reasons for it
  • Why you should earn cash back

Let’s look at the advice more closely, and why it’s (mostly) wrong.

How many credit cards should you have

Kevin says you should have two credit cards:

  • You should have one credit card with a “very low limit” (he says $2,000), and that’s the one you use for online purchases; that way if it gets hacked, nobody can spend more than $2,000, so that’s how you protect yourself
  • Then the other credit card is one you use when you actually buy things that are not online; that way you haven’t “exposed that number to the internet,” with one card being “out there,” and the other being “private”

No, no, no, no. This advice really makes very little sense.

First of all, credit cards offer fraud protection, so in the event your card information gets compromised and you report it to them, you won’t be on the hook for it.

Second of all, just because you only use a card in-store rather than online doesn’t mean the info can’t be compromised. Your credit card information can also be stolen from in-store transactions, whether it’s due to credit card skimming, or someone just easily stealing your card info.

You’re harming your credit score greatly by having a card with a really low credit limit that you use constantly. One of the major factors of your credit score (30%) is your credit utilization, and if you’re using that card regularly up to close to the limit (because the limit is so low), this is going to have an adverse impact on your credit score.

How many credit cards Kevin has

Kevin says he has eight credit cards. For a moment I thought “great, he’s good at maximizing rewards, that’s at least one redeeming quality of this story.”

But nope, the premise is that Kevin travels frequently internationally, so he carries eight credit cards in multiple currencies, like Swiss Francs, British Pounds, Euros, etc. As he explains it:

“I look for efficiency, and having all these credit cards gives me diversity. It makes sure that I’m not being charged for currency conversion. Drives me out of my mind when I’m buying something in London and I’m getting whacked on a conversion price back in U.S. dollars. That doesn’t happen to me, because I have one in British pounds. My whole thing about credit cards is I don’t like fees. I’m cheap.”

It’s 2018. There are tons of amazing cards without foreign transaction fees. Maybe he’s suggesting that even without foreign transaction fees, the “spread” between the official currency conversion rate and the Visa and Mastercard rates is really bad? Well, you can find the currency conversion rates used by Mastercard and Visa online, so the math is quite easy to do.

On a card without foreign transaction fees, typically the “spread” you’ll find between the official conversion rate and bank conversion rate is somewhere around 0.1% (this cushion is built in due to account for the fact that transactions only post a couple of days later). Now, when you’re abroad you’ll want to always make sure you’re paying in local currency rather than your home currency, because if you pay in home currency you’ll get a bad rate. But that’s a choice.

Kevin says he likes to do this because he’s “cheap,” though last I checked, throwing money out the window isn’t cheap. Does he have cards that offer at least 2% cash back in Swiss Francs, British Pounds, Euros, etc.?

Because it doesn’t seem to me to make sense to use a card that “saves” you 0.1% on a transaction and forgo a 2% return in the process, no?

Why you should earn cash back

Kevin says the following:

“Forget about affinity points. There’s so much inflation in that. You get less and less every year for the points. Get the cash back.”

Okay, that’s not necessarily terrible advice, though see below. 😉

My credit card advice

I can appreciate the need to provide “simple” credit card tips when talking to the mainstream media, so I don’t blame Kevin for the lack of caveats he provides, since I’ve been in the same situation many times where there’s so much to say, but they just want one sound bite.

But this advice is just plain bad. It’s paranoid (suggesting only credit card information online can be compromised), it’s bad (having a card with a low limit and spending a significant amount on it harms your credit score), and it’s illogical (being “cheap,” and therefore getting a card in different currencies, rather than maximizing rewards on purchases).

So, what’s my simplified credit card advice?

  • If you’re going to get a cash back card, make sure it has no annual fee and earns at least 2% cash back, like the Citi Double Cash® Card, which offers 1% cash back on every purchase, and then an additional 1% cash back when you pay for those purchases (in the form of ThankYou points); don’t settle for less cash back than that (a vast majority of people do)
  • To improve your credit score, open a few cards (they can even have no annual fees), hold onto them long term, make payments on time, and don’t utilize too much of your credit; having at least a few credit cards is good for your credit, as it helps you establish more positive history
  • I agree in general to avoid putting your spend on an airline credit card (I’ve offered similar advice in the past), but often transferable points currency cards give you the best of both worlds and protect you from devaluations, as you can redeem points towards travel purchases, or transfer them to airline partners; so consider a card like the Chase Sapphire Preferred® Card or Citi Strata Premier® Card (review)

Anyone have anything else to add?

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James W Cilecek Guest

Have at least 2 credit cards mainly so that if there is a problem with one, you have another. Also, only get cards with cash rewards points. Travel points are never a good option. I recommend one card with 2% cashback on all purchases. Another with 3-6% cash back at grocery stores and gasoline stations and one with 3% cashback at Walmart or the discount store of your choice. There are rotating rewards cards that some may find helpful although these require constant monitoring to know when the cashback rewards apply. Citi Double Cash MC 2%, AMEX Blue Preferred 3-6%, and UMB Visa 3% rewards at Walmart, Fast Food, Restaurants, Restaurants, and Grocery Stores. Should you wish to rent a car, use the Primary Insurance Coverage only offered by AMEX cards. These three cards will cover just about every purchase with at least 3% cash back with up to 6% at grocery stores. Get new cards that offer a bonus if you spend over a certain amount in 3 months, then time the new card so that you pay high ticket items and meet the 90 day requirement. Have one card that will double purchase warranties such as computers and other electronics warranties (AMEX Blue Preferred). Never buy another long-term warranty again...these are free with the right cards. Regards.

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iamhere Gold

I will always select to be billed in local currency. The rates are better than the ones offered by the credit card. Also, the information is still shared digitally for in person transactions when the transaction is approved by the bank and is stored in the shop's database.

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Daniel Christianson Guest

I also have a credit score of above 800, but banks still turn you down for so many other reasons, ex. chase 5/24 rule, to many recent requests for credit, etc. Seems more and more banks are doing that. Also Chase shut me down - all 6 cards in less than 24 hrs, saying that across my portfolio of cards, although no debt, I had 600k$ of open credit and to them that was a lot of risk. I guess they thought i could cash out and leave the country. In reality i think they audited my account and realized i'm not the kind of customer they could ever make a profit on- which i totally understand. Dan

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SounderTID New Member

I don’t see how holding a bank account or credit/debit card outside from one’s permanent residence would make sense unless there was income or long-term property rental/ownership in the mix and one needs access to the local banking system. Maybe the CNBC guy thinks Dynamic Currency Conversion isn’t a scam and that one has to choose USD when they present that option? I think he must be confused because using an American no-ftx card internationally is going to be cheaper than establishing an ex-USA bank account for like 99.99% of use cases. I still keep my bank account from my parent’s origin country and it helped when I lived in Europe for a time because of the giro system (what replaced checks over there) was the only way to pay certain bills. It’s debit card has been helpful doing things such as buying train tickets at the machines in Schipol Airport and buying snacks on EasyJet where American cards were not working. I have to pay ~$40 a year for the card though, an international wire fee to send money there and do an odd online finCEN form each year. That being said, the relatively new offline PIN system that can be set in online banking for Bank of America cards may have finally fixed the issue of American cards occasionally not working outside the USA. I was able to use my Bank of America Visa in a ticket machine in Spain, and for Apple Pay in the London Underground, where my friend’s same card who (I think hasn’t set up the PIN online) and another group of Americans were getting declined and had to use cash.

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Jo Guest

I wouldn't expect him to know or care about tracking little rewards. As for @TravelinDandy.... If this blog isn't for you, then it isn't for you. The average family can get a practically free vacay every year easily from reading these blogs. That's one more vacay than I had per year for much of my life. Now, I'm off multiple times per year.

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