Airplane Window Shade Etiquette: Who Has Control?

Airplane Window Shade Etiquette: Who Has Control?

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There are lots of opinions when it comes to appropriate airplane etiquette, ranging from seat recline, to dressing up, to changing seats with others, and more. In this post I wanted to address the topic of etiquette around opening and closing airplane window shades.

Who controls airplane window shades, and what’s reasonable? Also, what happens when crews try to take control of window shades on longer flights?

The person in the window seat controls window shades

On the most basic level, the person in the window seat has control over the window shades, and shouldn’t need permission from the person in other seats as to how the window shades are kept. The person in the window seat can, within reason, decide if they want the window shade opened or closed during the flight.

One of my favorite things about flying is looking out the window and appreciating just what a miracle aviation is, and the ability to control the window shade is one of the reasons I typically choose a window seat when flying.

The person in the window seat controls the window shades

Be considerate of others, use the golden rule

While I firmly believe the person in the window seat controls window shades, there are limits:

  • You should be considerate of others — if the sun is blinding someone else because your window shade is open, consider lowering it
  • Use the golden rule — if the person seated next to you asks politely for the window shade to be lowered, and has a legitimate reason, consider compromising
  • Don’t get into a confrontation — if someone is rude about you having the window shade open, or rudely demands you close it, don’t get into it, and either just agree or ask a crew member to get involved, because we don’t need any more inflight disturbances
Try to be considerate of other passengers as well

Go with the flow in the cabin

I do think there’s something to be said for taking cues from other passengers as well. If you are on a long haul flight and every other passenger has their window shades closed, consider closing your window shades as well.

It’s one thing if half or a quarter of window shades in a cabin are open, but when just one window shade is open, the glare is extremely unpleasant for others, whether they’re trying to sleep or watch seatback entertainment. As frustrating as it can be for those of us who like looking outside, I believe in being considerate of others, and that includes not being the only person in the cabin with an open window shade.

Follow the cues of others with window shades

What about crews closing window shades?

It’s not uncommon to see flight attendants suggest that passengers close window shades. This can come in a few different forms:

  • Crews will sometimes make an announcement along the lines of “we know a lot of people will be trying to sleep on this flight, so we ask that you go ahead and lower your window shades to allow them to rest”
  • In premium cabins (or empty flights otherwise) crews will sometimes come through the cabin and just close window shades themselves, to make the cabin darker
  • On Boeing 787s (which have window dimmersthese are soon coming to A350s), crews will sometimes take it upon themselves to dim windows and “lock” them, so that passengers can’t change the setting (this practice is sometimes discouraged by airlines)
Crews will sometimes ask passengers to close window shades

Personally I think there’s merit to this on an overnight flight, especially an eastbound one, where the sun can in some cases rise just a few hours after setting. That being said, personally I think some airlines take it to the extreme:

  • I get frustrated by crews insisting all window shades be lowered on a westbound daytime transatlantic flight, when I generally prefer to stay awake, and not sit in darkness for hours on end
  • I get especially annoyed by this on shorter morning flights, like an 8AM flight from California to Hawaii, where the crew asks all passengers to lower window shades because some people want to sleep; it’s daytime, I’m a morning person and got a good night of sleep, I’m solar powered, and I don’t want to sleep
Not how I like my cabins on daytime flights!

What do I do in these situations?

  • I try to be considerate of others, so I’m never going to be the only person to keep my window shade open, and will generally go with the flow; I also won’t be the first to close it, though
  • On a long haul daytime flight where the crew tries to get passengers to close window shades, I will be among the first people to “reopen” my window shade around the time the pre-arrival meal is served, which I think is fair

Bottom line

If you’re an avgeek like me, gazing out the window and watching the world go by is one of the best parts of flying. Unfortunately not everyone shares my enthusiasm, which is why I always try to snag a window seat, so I have control of the position of the window shades.

While I absolutely think the person in the window seat should control the window shades, I also think it’s important to be considerate of others, and on some level to go with the flow in the rest of the cabin.

Where do you stand on airplane window shades, both when it comes to who has control, and what’s appropriate on longer flights, particularly daytime ones?

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  1. Sandy Guest

    Last week I completed my first ever westbound daytime flight on one of the planes that has shades the crew can lock. It was horrible. In the future if I am flying home during the day, I may intentionally look for flights on planes that DON"T have this capability. After sitting in a weird dark dusky twilight for 8 hours when I knew the sun was out and not being allowed to look out (one...

    Last week I completed my first ever westbound daytime flight on one of the planes that has shades the crew can lock. It was horrible. In the future if I am flying home during the day, I may intentionally look for flights on planes that DON"T have this capability. After sitting in a weird dark dusky twilight for 8 hours when I knew the sun was out and not being allowed to look out (one of the reasons I booked a window seat during the day) my claustrophobia begin to be seriously triggered. I felt trapped. I was told it was so people could sleep and glare doesn't shown on screens. Why would people be sleeping during a western bound daytime flight? If your body needs a catnap, it will nap, but we are trying to get back into our time zone. And they could illiminate the glare problem by keeping the shades someone darkened, but still allow us to see daylight and scenery. I mean, don't we all watch TV during the day sometimes? It took me much longer to get over jet lag this time - I don't know if that had anything to do with it, but I can't help but wonder if being forced to spend what amounted to a whole extra day in the dark contributed. I truly hate this practice.

  2. WAHD Guest

    I remember cabin crew on a European airline from asia that any departure before 12pm, they don't require the window shades to be down.

  3. John.S Guest

    The person sitting next to the window has control of the window shades. And with control comes power, corruption and greed.

    And you'll find those who vehemently defend their right to keep shades open on eastbound 16 hour flights when everyone is trying to sleep are doing it for the power kick and their own selfish reasons.

    You have to read the room. Daytime flight to Asia? Keep it open. People sleeping because...

    The person sitting next to the window has control of the window shades. And with control comes power, corruption and greed.

    And you'll find those who vehemently defend their right to keep shades open on eastbound 16 hour flights when everyone is trying to sleep are doing it for the power kick and their own selfish reasons.

    You have to read the room. Daytime flight to Asia? Keep it open. People sleeping because the plane lands at 6am? Close the freakin blinds. It's like reclining your seat during a meal service or on a short flight (less than 2 hours). Sure you can do it, but it makes you the asshole.

  4. Donna Diamond

    I prefer the shades to be open on climb out and landing but the rest of the flight, I don’t really care one way or the other. If I’m seated next to a window, and someone has a request, I accomodate it.

  5. Bear Guest

    I like to look out the window. The wonder of gilding over the clouds and flying over the mountains is truly beautiful. I too am a very frequent flyer with 3,000,000 + miles in the air. I am astounded by the number of passengers who would prefer to watch TV than see real life!
    I have had to fly during the Covid 19 pandemic.
    When the general public started flying again, it seems...

    I like to look out the window. The wonder of gilding over the clouds and flying over the mountains is truly beautiful. I too am a very frequent flyer with 3,000,000 + miles in the air. I am astounded by the number of passengers who would prefer to watch TV than see real life!
    I have had to fly during the Covid 19 pandemic.
    When the general public started flying again, it seems like the first thing most people do upon boarding is close the shades and are left closed from takeoff to the gate. Aside from the claustrophobic atmosphere created by being shut up in an aluminum tube for hours, it seems quite unsafe for passengers and crew to observe any problems on takeoff and landing. It might be useful to see fuel or hydraulic fluid streaming over the wing…. May be I just answered my own question.. are people just afraid to look out the window?
    I remember crew announcing that window shades needed to be left open for takeoff and landing for safety. What happened to that ?
    Most people have been shut in by covid, I would think most would enjoy being out and seeing the world : live and in color! The real world has fantastic graphics! Really!
    I am older now and will be put in a box underground soon enough.
    Please open the shades to I can enjoy the real world while we all can!

  6. WestCoastGuy Guest

    "I get especially annoyed by this on shorter morning flights, like an 8AM flight from California to Hawaii, where the crew asks all passengers to lower window shades because some people want to sleep; it’s daytime, I’m a morning person and got a good night of sleep, I’m solar powered, and I don’t want to sleep."

    Have you considered that not everyone has the luxury of making it fairly late to the airport and still...

    "I get especially annoyed by this on shorter morning flights, like an 8AM flight from California to Hawaii, where the crew asks all passengers to lower window shades because some people want to sleep; it’s daytime, I’m a morning person and got a good night of sleep, I’m solar powered, and I don’t want to sleep."

    Have you considered that not everyone has the luxury of making it fairly late to the airport and still being able to use the priority security/TSAPrecheck lines to make their flight?

    An 8 am flight often means people have to reach the airport by 6-6.30, especially in crowded airports, and that means getting up by at least 5 am, depending on how far they live from the airport.

    Have some compassion here, Ben.

    1. Deccno Guest

      You just made my point for keeping it open. If I‘m awake for 3 hours I want and NEED the sun. Sitting in a dark tube would 100% ruin the rest of the day.

    2. sandy Guest

      It did for me, and for several days after. Read my post above.

  7. LAX New Member

    The person sitting in the window seat controls the window shade. Simple as that.

    I have no problem lowering it temporarily if light is blasting through and into someone’s face, but otherwise I’m keeping it open.

  8. Klaus Guest

    The tip with the eye-masks is nicely meant, but it does not correspond to reality. You can take a look at your next long-haul flight and see how many passengers really wear an eye-mask. Okay, "that's their problem" you can say that. But the point here is to weigh up when it is considerate towards other passengers to open the window blinds and flood the cabin with sunlight.

    For many (the majority?) eye masks are...

    The tip with the eye-masks is nicely meant, but it does not correspond to reality. You can take a look at your next long-haul flight and see how many passengers really wear an eye-mask. Okay, "that's their problem" you can say that. But the point here is to weigh up when it is considerate towards other passengers to open the window blinds and flood the cabin with sunlight.

    For many (the majority?) eye masks are not the solution, because they slip or are perceived as uncomfortable. In addition, the airplane environment feels different when all the sun visors are down and closed: Children and babies are quiet, other passengers get tired and sleep, there is less movement in the aisles, there is less service etc.
    If the majority of passengers are looking for quiet, then I think it's selfish to open the window blind which disturbs fellow passengers. And whenever I want to open the cabin when all the other blinds are closed, for example, I open it briefly and press my face against the (cleaned) window so that no brightness comes in. Or use a blanket.

    By the way:
    I don't think the opinions and comments on this blog reflect the majorities on the plane either. There are a larger than average number of flight enthusiasts here who want to enjoy and use the soft and hard product to the fullest. For many, however, the airplane is a means of transportation to get from A to B; and many fly in business class to arrive relaxed.

    1. Chris Guest

      You're still ignoring the fact that there are daytime flights, particularly E->W daytime flights but also most other daytime flights, where sunlight is good, needed, and which there is no other way to achieve for proper acclimation. For the crew to determine that someone likes the cabin dark is unacceptable, when literally everyone can achieve their necessary level of light and sound cheaply and easily. The fact that some choose not to is not really...

      You're still ignoring the fact that there are daytime flights, particularly E->W daytime flights but also most other daytime flights, where sunlight is good, needed, and which there is no other way to achieve for proper acclimation. For the crew to determine that someone likes the cabin dark is unacceptable, when literally everyone can achieve their necessary level of light and sound cheaply and easily. The fact that some choose not to is not really for the crew to take upon themselves.

  9. John Guest

    Is this a repost or did I imagine you wrote this a while ago..?

  10. Paul Guest

    Agreed. The window passenger should control the experience. Within reason. FAs should never lock the window shades.

  11. Craig Guest

    I'm like Azamaraal. One of the reasons I take a window seat (usually at front or back of the cabin) is to make sure every window shade around me will be shut. Others connecting onto a long-distance flight may not be coming from the same timezone as you, so they may want to sleep. Also, I like to watch movies if I'm not sleeping and sunlight can wash out the video completely.

  12. Vincent Guest

    What about leaving your overhead reading light on when the cabin is dark and everyone around you is sleeping?

  13. AW Guest

    This is the worst type of no-effort, click-bait article. It should be beneath this website, which was once a solid repository of reviews from a hard working person who made it his job to travel frequently and post immediately. I don't know what's going on, but for the last 8 months (after worldwide travel was reopened), it's continued to be mostly a credit card and airline miles huckster site. I'm done, but good luck to...

    This is the worst type of no-effort, click-bait article. It should be beneath this website, which was once a solid repository of reviews from a hard working person who made it his job to travel frequently and post immediately. I don't know what's going on, but for the last 8 months (after worldwide travel was reopened), it's continued to be mostly a credit card and airline miles huckster site. I'm done, but good luck to the rest of you and Ben. Maybe if you return to what it was in 2019, people will visit and click. Hrrumph. Get off my lawn.

    1. polarbear Guest

      I actually really enjoy this latest stream of articles - they are really well written and touch on the (controversial) subjects most frequent flyers care about.
      Can I suggest "letting the window/mid passenger use the restroom when you seated in the aisle"? should you make every effort to avoid window seats if you tend to get up a lot?

    2. GBOAC Diamond

      AW: In the social media world, the value/worth of a post is determined (for good or bad) by the amount of reaction. The large number of readers who commented on this post indicates that many of us appreciated this post.

  14. Fed UP Guest

    You should be considerate of others — if the sun is blinding someone else because your window shade is open, consider lowering it...

    Almost ALWAYS, while the window seat passenger is shielded by the blinding light, the other passenger(s) get the full brunt of the light.... I like the automated window shades, where the crew can override and dim the windows.... This window discussion is indicative of the selfish , "me first" attitude endemic in...

    You should be considerate of others — if the sun is blinding someone else because your window shade is open, consider lowering it...

    Almost ALWAYS, while the window seat passenger is shielded by the blinding light, the other passenger(s) get the full brunt of the light.... I like the automated window shades, where the crew can override and dim the windows.... This window discussion is indicative of the selfish , "me first" attitude endemic in the US and other countries...

    1. Azamaraal Guest

      As we all know by now, Lucky loves his window and watching the ice floes. This is not his first, nor his last, diatribe about how the window seat controls the world for the other 9 or 10 passengers unfortunately downstream from 'HIS" window.

      Sitting at the window means you are ABOVE the glare and direct light. The rest are not.

      Shades should be under the control of the FA's thus the needs of ALL...

      As we all know by now, Lucky loves his window and watching the ice floes. This is not his first, nor his last, diatribe about how the window seat controls the world for the other 9 or 10 passengers unfortunately downstream from 'HIS" window.

      Sitting at the window means you are ABOVE the glare and direct light. The rest are not.

      Shades should be under the control of the FA's thus the needs of ALL THE PASSENGERS are met as much as possible - not just the entitled generation who only think of themselves.

      I think this is a POWER TRIP article.

    2. Deccno Guest

      What does „need of all the passengers“ even mean. On a daytime flight light and sun is good and needed. What you‘re suggesting seems like the true power trip to me, wanting FA‘s to lock windows and ensure Jetlag.

    3. Sandy Guest

      Nighttime flight west to east-shades down until full morning makes perfect sense. Daytime flight east to west, it makes no sense. If you want to sleep during the day, bring an eyemask. And while I"m sure there are some selfish souls who don't care how their passengers feel, I would never let my shade be full on open when sun is glaring in or not take the needs and requests of my seatmates into consideration....

      Nighttime flight west to east-shades down until full morning makes perfect sense. Daytime flight east to west, it makes no sense. If you want to sleep during the day, bring an eyemask. And while I"m sure there are some selfish souls who don't care how their passengers feel, I would never let my shade be full on open when sun is glaring in or not take the needs and requests of my seatmates into consideration. Its a different type of selfishness to insist that those of us who wish to enjoy some daylight in the middle of the day not be allowed to

  15. Perrin Larton Guest

    I love looking out the window...day or night! I've gotten some fabulous photos at daybreak and dusk. Stars and planets are fabulous to look out at in the evening. If I'm at the window during the day I look at the ground going by and am always seeing something new.

    Yes, the person at the window has the responsibility for the window shade. I agree that you must be a good citizen as well....

    I love looking out the window...day or night! I've gotten some fabulous photos at daybreak and dusk. Stars and planets are fabulous to look out at in the evening. If I'm at the window during the day I look at the ground going by and am always seeing something new.

    Yes, the person at the window has the responsibility for the window shade. I agree that you must be a good citizen as well. I will lower the shade if I see the morning or afternoon sun is in another passengers eyes. If my tablet or phone is glinting into the cabin due to the sunshine, I'll lower the shade. I don't keep it lowered though. There is such a short window of time when the light coming in might be irritating to other passengers.

    You miss so much by sitting in the dark the whole time! I just can't. Look out. Look up. The sky is an amazing place. Have fun. Be kind.

  16. jcil Guest

    Based on the many comments, why do Boeing and Airbus even go to all the engineering and manufacturing cost to put in windows anymore? and you complain about being treated like cargo at the same time. I also get my in flight entertainment by marveling at this wonderful planet we live on , and the unique views one gets from 35,000 ft. I actually feel sorry for the narrow minded that are more easily entertained...

    Based on the many comments, why do Boeing and Airbus even go to all the engineering and manufacturing cost to put in windows anymore? and you complain about being treated like cargo at the same time. I also get my in flight entertainment by marveling at this wonderful planet we live on , and the unique views one gets from 35,000 ft. I actually feel sorry for the narrow minded that are more easily entertained by a tiny screen they hold right in front of their face for hours on end.

  17. Andrew Guest

    Another issue you didn’t address (admittedly more applicable in economy): who “owns” the window that’s situated between rows? I usually defer to whichever row has a majority of the window (or if the window is right next to someone’s face). But if I get to my seat first, I make sure both shades are open.

  18. Mark G Guest

    I seems to me that there has been a shift towards people keeping the window shade down more often. On overnight flight I totally get it, but on daytime flights it’s kind of annoying. Of course you could make the argument that the rise of smart phones and digital tablets has made natural light the enemy, esp when the airline doesn’t have in seat charging.

  19. Tim Dunn Diamond

    Very well said, Ben.
    I would add as was mentioned that all window shades should stay up through climbout and on landing. It drives me crazy when people take the window seat and then proceed to lower it as soon as they get on the plane and then watch their own devices the entire flight including board and deplaning - except to climb over me when they need to go to the lav.
    ...

    Very well said, Ben.
    I would add as was mentioned that all window shades should stay up through climbout and on landing. It drives me crazy when people take the window seat and then proceed to lower it as soon as they get on the plane and then watch their own devices the entire flight including board and deplaning - except to climb over me when they need to go to the lav.
    Consideration does matter but a basic principle should be that customers are entitled to use the amenities which airlines offer to them including considerate use of windows and seat recline.

    And, as I noted on the A350 window shade discussion, opening the windows would be a whole lot less of an issue if airlines had external cameras that could be viewed on the seatback entertainment screen.

    1. Azamaraal Guest

      The Simple reason people take the window seat and LOWER the window shades is because other people take the window set and OPEN the shades to the discomfort of everyone else.

      The shades should be under the control of a third party - the FA - who will make the decision for everyone, not just the single person sitting at the window.

    2. Tim Dunn Diamond

      You've posted that multiple times. At least if you want to multiply the impact of your opinion, choose different user names.

      As long as aircraft have windows that passengers can control, the chances are very high that you will be disappointed.

      Even if the latest generation widebody aircraft get automated windows, the majority of aircraft will still have passenger controlled windows.

      You are entitled to control the window in your row if you sit at...

      You've posted that multiple times. At least if you want to multiply the impact of your opinion, choose different user names.

      As long as aircraft have windows that passengers can control, the chances are very high that you will be disappointed.

      Even if the latest generation widebody aircraft get automated windows, the majority of aircraft will still have passenger controlled windows.

      You are entitled to control the window in your row if you sit at the window seat and no more. Period.

  20. D3kingg Guest

    Window Shades stay up on takeoff until we near 10,000ft . Then remain down the entire flight until final approach sub 2,000 ft. Even daytime flights window shades down. If I’m in the aisle I accept what the window seat pax does it’s not my call. Be courteous.
    If we’re on a mechanical delay or taxiing delay in the summer heat the pilot might ask to keep the windows down.

    1. Chris Guest

      Why does "being courteous" include closing window shades on a daytime flight?

    2. Klaus Guest

      Because the majority wants them to be closed. (At least that is my experience)

    3. Chris Guest

      On a night flight, sure. On a day flight, particularly E->W, I have not noticed that at all.

      And on such a flight, there is a perfectly good alternative for achieving dark if you want it. There is no alternative to getting sunlight if you need it.

      That said, I'm all for courtesy in all sorts of borderline situations, like the one Lucky mentions. I just don't think an 11am Europe->USA flight is an edge situation.

  21. GBOAC Diamond

    Another aspect about controlling blinds. I recall several FAs in the past reminding everyone to raise their blinds for takeoff and landing so there was visual awareness of the surroundings. Of course I was alway looking out the window on takeoff and landing so that was not an issue with me.
    It seems I haven't heard that request recently though.

  22. GBOAC Diamond

    Back in the days before seat-back IFE, as someone in a widow seat I really objected to the FAs asking people to lower the blinds so everyone could enjoy the movie. (for which they sold headsets) The "movie" I was watching was our progress across the country and trying to identify locations.

  23. Dan Miller Guest

    I needed this article to cover the hard-hitting questions like who controls the window when it is between two rows. The person in the window seat in front or the person in the window seat behind

    1. Klaus Guest

      The passenger that appears to be stronger is in control of the blinds.
      If both passengers seem to be equally strong they should meet near the rear toilets and do three rounds of armwrestling. Happens all the time. Apparently, you are not a frequent flier.

  24. Peter Rohr Guest

    Picturing George Costanza in a heated argument with fellow passengers.

  25. AW Guest

    Window seat passenger controls the window. There is absolutely no acceptable exceptions to this rule.

    1. Klaus Guest

      yes, they control manual window blinds. The question is not whether they do or do not controll the blinds but if it is rude to open them, even though the whole cabin is bright because of sunlight.
      That is why this article is called etiquette.

      Sooner or later these will be replaced by dimmable windows which can be controlled by the crew. After all, this is how this article started: should the crew block the window dimming?

  26. tuotuo Guest

    Usually when transatlantic or transpacific, there are only clouds or sea outside the window.If it is on the 787s,and you want to photograph something outside the window. Just brighten your windows. It will gradually darken but it is enough for you to take a picture. I have done this many times.

    1. DenB Diamond

      I prefer "only" clouds or sea over IFE.

  27. pstm91 Diamond

    Bottom line is just be considerate. I like the window open but there really is no need for it to be open once you're above the clouds, especially if you're on the side with the sun (epic sunrise/sunsets are exceptions). I always crack it open when we start descending because it's so bright at first, take the temperature of the people sitting next to me, then open it.
    Agreed with others though; eyeshades are...

    Bottom line is just be considerate. I like the window open but there really is no need for it to be open once you're above the clouds, especially if you're on the side with the sun (epic sunrise/sunsets are exceptions). I always crack it open when we start descending because it's so bright at first, take the temperature of the people sitting next to me, then open it.
    Agreed with others though; eyeshades are a must and an easy fix to others keeping the windows open if it bothers you. Frankly, I can't sleep on a plane without them anyway.

    1. Chris Guest

      "there really is no need for it to be open once you're above the clouds"

      Well, as Lucky mentions, on a day time Europe-North America flight for instance, it's actually beneficial to get you acclimated to your destination. There is really no need for them to not be open on such a flight.

    2. pstm91 Diamond

      I don't know about you, but I'm awake for the full duration of a Europe-North America day flight. It doesn't matter if the shades are opened or closed.

      All the windows being open will do will make it difficult to see my IFE system. (And I say this as someone who likes to look out the window).

    3. Chris Guest

      I say this as someone who uses the IFE - I've not had an issue in 10+ years using it with my window wide open.

      Also, staying awake isn't the same as getting sunlight as part of acclimating.

    4. DenB Diamond

      There is no "need" to watch IFE.

    5. Chris Guest

      I know that was designed to be a snarky comment, but think about how the flashing of an IFE screen could disturb your neighbor who's trying to sleep (at least in economy). In fact, to me it's even more disturbing than the brighter - but more static - light from a window. If FAs were to turn off all screens "because most people want to sleep," that would be an overstep. In fact, if I...

      I know that was designed to be a snarky comment, but think about how the flashing of an IFE screen could disturb your neighbor who's trying to sleep (at least in economy). In fact, to me it's even more disturbing than the brighter - but more static - light from a window. If FAs were to turn off all screens "because most people want to sleep," that would be an overstep. In fact, if I want to sleep and my neighbor is using IFE, I put on my eyeshades. That same, simple, cheap solution works for anyone who wants to sleep when there's an open window shade nearby.

      The whole thing just baffles me. It's really, really easy to be prepared for all sorts of light and sound levels in the aircraft. It's so easy for everyone to get exactly what they need without needing the entire cabin to align with individuals' separate needs/wants.

  28. DenB Diamond

    Nice advice Ben. It's nice that you want to be nice. I like niceness and frankly I wish there were more of it. However... crewmembers can set the tone by saying "we offer leading edge seatback entertainment and for those in a window seat, the best view you can get: the wonder of flight! We hope you all enjoy your preferred entertainment!" but they don't. Sometimes they state, illegally, that I'm required to close my...

    Nice advice Ben. It's nice that you want to be nice. I like niceness and frankly I wish there were more of it. However... crewmembers can set the tone by saying "we offer leading edge seatback entertainment and for those in a window seat, the best view you can get: the wonder of flight! We hope you all enjoy your preferred entertainment!" but they don't. Sometimes they state, illegally, that I'm required to close my window shade, sometimes they shame me into doing it "or be inconsiderate". I want to sit at the window, read my book and occasionally look out the window and think about things. I never use the optional IFE because I prefer reading. It's a satisfying way to fly, it's my way, and it's not reasonable for screen people to expect a dark cabin. When "told" (aggressively enough to irritate me) to close the shade I ask "is that a crewmember instruction, which I must obey?" Every FA thus confronted has either answered "no" or walked away and given me a different kind of shade for the rest of the flight. Obviously this doesn't come up in proper long-haul First on Asian carriers. If screen people were reminded that some like to enjoy the view and the airline supports their preference, it would improve the situation.

  29. yyyy Guest

    Another reason you may want to close the window shade on long haul is that you're exposing to a lot more space radiation in flight, especially on a high altitude polar route.

    1. tuotuo Guest

      Just check what can prevents radiation. Closing the window shade is definitely not .

  30. Klaus Guest

    On a long-haul flight It is a misconception to think that those people sitting at the window are entitled to open and close the blinds whenever they want while the majority tries to sleep. They should be considerate of other passengers.

  31. Jerry Diamond

    The older white man on the aisle would like you to close your window shade. Please respect his wishes so he doesn't get angry.

  32. rick cabeza Guest

    they have this new invention that allows you to personally control the amount of light that hits your eyeball: they're called EYESHADES!!! travelling westbound on a daytime long-haul in a dark cabin is a sure fire recipe for jetlag.

    1. Klaus Guest

      Hey Rick,
      On a flight from Europe to the U.S. it is a good idea to have some rest and take a nap to fight jet lag. Once you arrive to the U.S., Europe is having dinner and getting ready for bed while you had some sleep on the plane to be ready for the day.
      I would say especially on a westbound flight it is important to get some rest and the blinds are closed. During a late eastbound flight, often I am soo tired that I start sleeping during dinner.

    2. Chris Guest

      Flying westwark from LHR-NYC for example, I'm pretty sure the advice is to get acclimated to your time zone as quickly as possible, which means not taking a nap at 7am in the time zone of your destination.

      If you want to go outside that pretty standard advice, it's really really easy to block out any light you don't want. Most people should be acclimating with exposure to sunlight.

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AW Guest

Window seat passenger controls the window. There is absolutely no acceptable exceptions to this rule.

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rick cabeza Guest

they have this new invention that allows you to personally control the amount of light that hits your eyeball: they're called EYESHADES!!! travelling westbound on a daytime long-haul in a dark cabin is a sure fire recipe for jetlag.

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Sandy Guest

Nighttime flight west to east-shades down until full morning makes perfect sense. Daytime flight east to west, it makes no sense. If you want to sleep during the day, bring an eyemask. And while I"m sure there are some selfish souls who don't care how their passengers feel, I would never let my shade be full on open when sun is glaring in or not take the needs and requests of my seatmates into consideration. Its a different type of selfishness to insist that those of us who wish to enjoy some daylight in the middle of the day not be allowed to

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