Flying Blue Boss: “You Don’t Put A Price On Loyalty”

While there continues to be lots of value with miles & points, we certainly live in an era where actually being loyal to an airline is less valuable than in the past. Broadly speaking, airlines keep asking loyalty program members for more in order to earn status, while rewarding them with less. At some point, one wonders if it’s worth it.

Along those lines, CNN just published a fun article, about how frequent flyers have spent years staying loyal to airlines, only to be given “the middle finger” (CNN’s words, not mine!). This story is actually pretty refreshing, and I figure it’s worth sharing.

Flying Blue boss Ben Lipsey understands loyalty

Recently, we saw British Airways massively overhaul its loyalty program, with the biggest implications being that elite status is much more difficult to earn, and more closely tied to revenue. This CNN story includes an interview with Ben Lipsey, SVP for Customer Loyalty at Air France-KLM, and head of the airline group’s Flying Blue loyalty program.

Personally, I’m a fan of any airline loyalty program executive who got into the industry through their own obsession with miles & points. That’s because they really understand the psychology of these loyalty programs, unlike an outsider who might just be coming in and looking at this clinically. Lipsey started off as a FlyerTalk-obsessed teenager, and now runs one of Europe’s biggest loyalty programs.

He has lots of great quotes that I think any frustrated airline loyalty program elite member will appreciate, which demonstrates a clear understanding of consumer behavior:

  • “A rational consumer would take the cheapest flight at the best time. From a psychology perspective, [loyalty programs] are about trying to stimulate irrational behavior.”
  • “It’s important to let customers feel they can find gamification opportunities.”
  • “If [on Flying Blue] you do London-Paris-New York, or London-Amsterdam-Tokyo, by connecting you achieve status more easily. Me personally, I’m happy with that.”
  • “I think a lot of companies forget loyalty is a two-way street. It’s not just a transactional relationship; trust is really crucial… When the program makes a change, it reflects on the airline and vice versa.”
  • “BA has basically said ‘Gold is worth £20,000’ so now as a customer you start saying, ‘Am I getting £20,000 worth of value?’ If it’s purely revenue-based, that’s the risk. And I think it removes the irrational behavior that is key to loyalty programs.”
  • “It’s a bold move they’ve made. What they’ve done is basically fired the leisure customer. Whether they need those or not is up to them to decide. I’m sure they’ve done their homework.”

Interestingly, Lipsey also mentions how Flying Blue has been offering a status match to those loyal to other airlines, and in particular, British Airways. He hopes that these matches will generate €20-30 million in incremental customer value, so those are some interesting numbers.

Lipsey has the right perspective on loyalty, if you ask me

Flying Blue considers revenue component to elite status

Now, there is one interesting comment in this story that points to some possible future changes with the Flying Blue program. Lipsey acknowledges that Flying Blue is considering some sort of “revenue component” to elite status, like a minimum spend or flight requirement, but nothing more. As he concludes, “you don’t put a price on loyalty.”

Currently, Flying Blue elite status is straightforward to earn — it’s based on how many XPs (“experience points”) you rack up, with that metric factoring in the number of segments you fly, what class of service you’re in, and how much distance the segments cover. It doesn’t matter if you fly Air France-KLM or a partner, or how much you spend.

Flying Blue’s XP earning rates

Now, if changes were to be made, I’m trying to think of which direction Flying Blue could take. The program could require a certain number of XPs to be earned on Air France-KLM (those are currently referred to as UXPs, and that only matters for Ultimate status), or require a certain number of segments.

However, I’m not really sure how you could meaningfully change the requirements without going in the direction of “putting a price on loyalty.”

Personally, I doubt we’ll see any imminent changes, as I think Flying Blue will probably see what happens at British Airways once these changes are implemented. We’ve already seen British Airways partially backtrack on its program updates, in light of the amount of pushback the program has been getting.

I think loyalty program executives often fall into the trap of thinking that the higher the requirements are to earn status, the more people will go out of their way to spend with the airline. Quite to the contrary, I think that completely overlooks the incremental business that’s generated among those who might not be the biggest spenders, but who go out of their way to fly the airline. Recently, I wrote about my take on what kind of travelers should be most rewarded by loyalty programs.

Flying Blue may add a revenue component to status

Bottom line

Flying Blue’s loyalty chief has made some refreshing comments in light of the general direction we’re seeing the industry headed, plus British Airways’ recently announced changes.

I think Lipsey’s perspective is exactly right — there’s value in programs with an element of gamification, which will make consumers more likely to act irrationally. Once a program goes purely revenue based, then it really makes consumers less likely to go out of their way to be loyal, since it becomes more of an accounting exercise than anything.

What’s your take on this loyalty program debate?

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artemis70 New Member

While I love Ben's comments, he does make it look nicer than it really is. The value of the Flying Blue benefits has been going down significantly in the last couple of years. It has also become harder to rack up XP's on partner airlines. It looks like Flying Blue is trying to reduce cost of the program in a different way than others, and perhaps still leaving enough value for customers. For perspective, I'm about to make it to Platinum for Life. I have spent significant company and personal money to get there. Had I just started on my flying "career" just now, I don't think I would have done the same given the current benefits.

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SMC422 Guest

whether a business or leisure traveler, the miles or points are an extra. no need to literally miles or subject self to inferior business class product just for miles/ points

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Weymar Osborne Diamond

Definitely agree with many of the points made. Just looking at my own situation, I'm by no means a road-warrior. Just a recent uni grad that values travel experiences more than the average person and takes a few international trips per year. I stay loyal to United (funny enough, actually because of Asiana's program) and have paid more to fly with them because I can keep earning towards the things I value most: lounge access, free baggage, and earning points with some decent value. For an upcoming Dublin-Denver roundtrip I'm looking at, UA is a little over $100 more expensive than the next option but I'll still probably book that itinerary to work towards retaining my Star Alliance Gold. Once Asiana gets absorbed by Korean Air however and I would need to switch to MileagePlus or something to maintain a Star Alliance program I can't imagine I'll continue to place such a preference for United (or any Star Alliance airline) since requirements will be higher to the point I probably can't reach them and I'll likely become a free agent. Don't know how much the spreadsheeters at major loyalty programs value my type of consumer but surely getting an extra $100 or 2 out of me on an economy itinerary isn't nothing.

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Jean Gibbens Guest

My husband and I fly AF as often as possible. We are leisure flyers, so that translates to a single return flight with one connection each year. Unfortunately, AF is unavailable to us for our more frequent flights, to the Caribbean. We've never used points in payment because I haven't figured out how to. I need contact with a knowledgeable rep and haven't as yet connected with one. But we choose AF because of AF and not because of Flying Blue.

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Samo Guest

Ben is great, and it should also be noted that he engages with the community over at FT (and possibly other platforms). He gets it. I don't want the airline to pretend we are besties and love each other, I want a clear and honest communication about how they're gonna make my trips better in return for me spending more money with them. I don't want to be insulted like BA or LHG do. If you need to cut something, be honest about it, I understand that you are a business after all, don't pretend that I asked for it because that will just show that you take me for a fool. Look at how Flying Blue handled the end of unlimited XP rollover. There was no "it's better for you to not get status" BS like BA did. It was presented as something that needs to be done, and it also came with some carrot in addition to the stick. FB could very well just tell people that they're taking away their XP, tough luck. Instead they provided something meaningful to compensate for the devaluation of existing XP (converting them into years towards the lifetime status). This is how I want loyalty programmes to work. Take my money, give me something in return and don't treat me like an idiot.

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