Hawaiian Airlines Clarifies Why They Weighed Passengers Traveling To American Samoa

Earlier I wrote about the story that Hawaiian Airlines was supposedly weighing passengers traveling on their flight between Honolulu and Pago Pago in American Samoa. It was being claimed that this was due to the weight & balance issues caused by passengers on the route being heavier than average. Some passengers didn’t like the concept, and some have even filed complaints with the Department of Transportation, claiming this is a bogus practice from Hawaiian Airlines.

Well, a Hawaiian Airlines spokesperson has reached out to provide the following explanation of what has been going on with their Pago Pago flight, and it’s an interesting read. Here’s the statement, in its entirety:

We will not be weighing passengers at any point during the check-in or boarding process.

This action resulted from the recognition that over time our fuel burn on Pago Pago (PPG) flights was consistently much higher than projected, indicating that our weight assumptions were inaccurate.  We review weights on any flight within our route network that demonstrates such a discrepancy.  For example, we surveyed our Japan and Korea flights in 2015 and our new Narita flight earlier this year.

Since fuel consumption can change due to a multitude of factors like wind, fuel policy changes, flight routing, etc., we perform a process of elimination to eliminate all other factors before we conclude that the assumed passenger weight is not representative of the actual passenger weight for a particular route. That triggers a passenger weight survey to establish a new “standard” passenger weight for that route only.

Using FAA protocols, a survey was conducted on all of our PPG flights during a six-month period beginning in February. During this timeframe only, all passengers along with their carryon luggage to be weighed.  The survey results confirmed that our aircraft cabin weight was heavier than projected.  This requires us to manage the distribution of weight across each row in our cabin and we have elected to do so by making sure that one seat in each row is either empty or occupied by a traveler under the age of 13.

The decision to assign seats at the airport was made because that is the most efficient way to manage weight distribution. This allows us to make sure that families with children are seated together, for example, and it minimizes the confusion created by changing pre-selected seats.

We conducted our first flight under the weight distribution guidelines this week and were able to accommodate all passengers and accommodate all parties traveling together.

Interesting stuff, and seems like a very fair explanation!

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ProudSamoanTeine Guest

People never look at the bright side! Always gotta be negative! Only Polynesian people that's doing all the complaining are the GREEDY ones looking to be compensated! Ehhhhh get over yourselves! SAFETY IS HAWAIIAN AIRLINES #1 RULE!!!! I rather be SAFE THAN SORRY SO PLEASE CONTINUE WITH THE WEIGH IN SURVEY!!!

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Keith Guest

Been in the Avaiation Industry for over 40 years as a Ceritfied Weight/Balance Agent and a FAA Licensed Aircraft Dispatcher. In a crash the first things the NTSB looks at is the weight/ balance of the aircraft, Dispatch Release, Weather. Then the mechanical operation of the aircraft. Weight/Balance is taken seriously as well a disptaching a flight. I would rather have someone weigh me for a flight than end up in the ocean without enough fuel especailly to PPG. The alternate is two hours of fuel and the ETOPS alternates are harder to come by especially when there is bad weather. So basically you are pretty much carrying enough fuel to get there and fly back. Even more so on a two engine aircraft.

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vbscript2 Guest

"Thats fine… so why not extend their weight policy on all their routes? Wouldn’t that be considered unfair?" They do have a "weight policy" on all flights. They found that this particular flight happened to be far enough above that average that it was affecting fuel burn rate, which affects flight safety (because having enough fuel is important when you're in the middle of the Pacific Ocean with few places to land if you're running low.) All pilots (whether of single-engine 2-seaters or A380s) must consider weight and balance. It's very important for a number of reasons. The aforementioned fuel burn reason is one of them, but there are even more important reasons: 1. Center of gravity location. The center of gravity of the aircraft must be kept within certain limits, both side-to-side and forward-to-aft. If the CoG gets too far forward, the aircraft won't be able to climb at lower airspeeds. If it's too far aft, the aircraft will be unstable in the longitudinal axis and stall recovery may be difficult or impossible. Even further aft and it may force the aircraft into such an unrecoverable stall. This was what happened to the 747 that crashed at Bagram Air Base 3 years ago. Its load wasn't properly secured and shifted aft, causing the aircraft to stall shortly after takeoff and plummet into the edge of the airfield, killing everyone onboard. 2. Takeoff run length/Landing rollout length. Heavier aircraft accelerate slower with the same thrust and they also require higher airspeeds to become and remain airborne. Thus, the takeoff run length can be dramatically increased when the aircraft is heavier. Furthermore, when this increase in weight isn't known to the flight crew, it can lead to an improper calculation of the rotation speed, leading to early rotation. If you want to see the results of that, take a look at the video of the recent Royal Air Maroc flight leaving Frankfurt. If it hadn't been on a really long runway, it would have overrun the runway and crashed at high speed. Another possible outcome is the aircraft briefly becoming airborne and then stalling and crashing shortly after takeoff. In short, physics doesn't care about what passengers consider to be 'fair.' Pilots like to live, so they tend to care more about physics than their passengers' feelings.

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Rich13elly Guest

Thats fine... so why not extend their weight policy on all their routes? Wouldn't that be considered unfair?

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SamHMD Guest

Sorry Joe, but someone can be considered medically obese for reasons that are well beyond their control. Genetics, chronic cardiovascular or renal disease completely unrelated to lifestyle, etc are all reasons why some people are beyond normal BMI. Get over yourself.

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