The Electronics Ban May Soon Be Expanded To Flights From The UK To The US

In late March the US instituted a ban on electronics for nonstop flights from select countries to the US. For nonstop flights to the US from Amman, Abu Dhabi, Cairo, Casablanca, Dubai, Doha, Istanbul, Jeddah, Kuwait City, and Riyadh, electronic devices larger than phones aren’t allowed in the cabin, and need to be checked in the cargo hold.

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While I think we were all hoping that this measure would be temporary, every day it looks more and more like that won’t be the case. In early April, Homeland Security Secretary John Kelly told a Senate committee that the current electronics ban may be extended to more airports and countries, as it’s based on a “real” threat.

We haven’t heard much more on this front in the past few weeks, though today the International Business Times is reporting that an extension of the electronics ban is apparently being considered for flights from the UK to the US. Per the story:

And now, in a further step, the paper — quoting several informed sources — claims that the US is considering including flights from the UK in the ban, although no final decision has been taken.

“As with everything from Trump’s America, there are conflicting reports about where, when and what,” a Whitehall insider stated.

A US official has said that while no announcement was expected soon, such a move was “not far off.”

The official confirmed to The Times that the UK was “on the list of countries being examined for extended restrictions.”

Again, I think it’s worth emphasizing that this isn’t confirmed, and based on how this is written, it looks like an extension of the ban would impact more countries than just the UK.

I don’t mean to dismiss any potential threat here, but the way the government is going about all of this is so mindless. Much like everyone else, I of course value safety above all else. I don’t for a second question that there’s a real threat that this ban is in response to. At the same time, like most rational people (and even IATA), I question the logic of the way the ban has been implemented:

  • If the US and UK are working off the same intelligence, why does the US have Qatar and the UAE on the list, while the UK doesn’t?
  • What’s the logic of only implementing this ban on nonstop flights to the US, and excluding flights like Emirates’ flights from Dubai to Athens to Newark, and Dubai to Milan to New York?
  • Is there not a practical way that electronics could be screened at the gate to see if they pose a threat to a flight?

In tests, the US Transportation Security Administration has missed about 95% of weapons that were brought through the checkpoint. Shouldn’t fixing that be our top priority? I don’t mean to be crass, but it is by the grace of some higher power that there hasn’t been an attack on a US flight in a long time. While I believe our high level intelligence is good, the frontline security force in this country is doing an abysmal job.

When I write about these situations, some people leave comments along the lines of “how dare you question our security you unpatriotic pig, don’t you value your safety above all else?” If that’s the case, we should all be flying naked and without any bags on the plane, because it’s the only way we’ll be safe (and even then we aren’t safe, given that at least one, and probably two, of our last big air disasters were due to suicidal pilots, who had no weapon other than the plane itself).

It’ll be interesting to see what happens here…

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Emirates4Ever Guest

@SFOFlyGuy I'll go a step further and say it's possible that the terrorists simply invented this plot knowing it would strike fear in the West and have everyone and that was it's only purpose. I'm waiting for them to leave "intelligence" behind claiming they can smuggle explosives rectally thereby required full rectal searches of all passengers before boarding. In this climate, wouldn't be surprised. Susan still makes a valid point, that is exactly the motive behind terrorists, to get us in such a state of fear we change our very way of life. It's already happened.

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Gary Guest

"Mindless". Now that was a good choice of words. The problem is that systems are designed to accomplish an objective but very quickly the objective is transformed into the the self-justification of the system. As an example, I recently had to get an apostille translated from French to French. The logic behind this stupidity was that a stamp from a court appointed translator was required and the content of the documents was irrelevant. In the case of an extension of the electronics ban, I can imagine some civil servant in some building somewhere making this decision on these grounds. 1) It is better to be safe than sorry. 2) Expanding the list is in itself proof that the list has value and the work in maintaining is justified. In the light of those reasons, the existence of a "real and verifiable" threat is almost irrelevant.

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Lars Member

@Susan 87 people were killed in the Nice attack with the truck. I would actually call that a huge death toll. In Berlin, a similar attack with a truck cost 12 lives, in the latest attack of this kind in Stockholm 4 people were killed. Maybe you mixed them up. I can't blame you, it is simply too many. Too many religious idiots on this planet.

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SFOFlyGuy New Member

Food for thought with regard to the ridiculous electronics ban. Pan Am 103 in December 1988 over Lockerbie, Scotland. A bomb was placed in a Toshiba radio cassette "boombox" and originated on a flight out of Malta. It made its way onto Pan Am 103 in Frankfurt which then stopped in LHR for an equipment change before departing for JFK. Pan Am 103 Was less than an hour into that segment when the bomb detonated at altitude. The bomb was in the cargo hold and required absolutely no human intervention for detonation. It was set to a timer...and that was in 1988! Point being it was a crude bomb with a simple timer on a rather complex routing with maximum efficiency. We are so blatantly naive if we think terrorists haven't evolved with the times as the rest of society. They were probably one step ahead of these bans trying to figure out a plan of attack for when the bans went in to place. They probably anticipated that they would! If we can think it, they already have. Trust!! Fact is it's all distraction from the shit-show going on in the US political system right now. Is there really a credible threat that warrants it especially given that we know terrorists are more than capable of disguising a bomb, hiding it in luggage and taking down and aircraft. Even with today's technology designed largely in response to the Pan Am 103 disaster to detect bombs in checked baggage and cargo, there are ALWAYS loopholes!!

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AlexS Diamond

Fuuuuuuuuuudge... Of course this shiat comes down right before I do some USUK travel. What gets me is that anyone competent with electronics could easily re-wire a laptop to explode, triggered by altitude, timer, WiFi/Bluetooth, GPS, etc. Not my cup of tea, but I can't imagine it taking an experienced person more than 15 minutes to come up with something plausible, and another 15 minutes making/programming it. Putting it in the cargo hold isn't going to make a rat's rectum of difference. I still love this story from Canada: http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/alberta-teen-caught-with-pipe-bomb-at-edmonton-airport-allowed-to-board-flight-not-arrested-until-return-to-canada-a-week-later The terrorists won 9/11. The US government (and sheeple) gave it to them. Metal detectors and x-ray machines have sprung up everywhere, showing photo ID everywhere, etc. I agree with everyone who says we need to take a serious look at RISK. Real quick definitions here: <b>threat</b>-- something which might happen <b>risk</b> -- probability that a threat might happen There are plenty of threats. Earthquakes, asteroids, dog bites, food poisoning, etc., are all threats. Risk is when you (should) rationally realize that you're far more likely to be struck dead by lightning or a shark bite than be involved in a terrorist attack. Even at something as tragic as the Sandy Hook shooting, 95+% of the students walked right out the doors of the school building alive. That's better odds than some of the hospital operating rooms in the USA. Speaking of which, if we'd taken all that's been spent on "security" in both the public and private sector in the past 15 years, there's easily enough to have FREE healthcare for everyone, which would easily save more lives.

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