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Qantas In Dispute With Pilots Over Airbus A380

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As reported by The Sydney Morning Herald, Qantas is taking its pilots to court over who gets to fly the Airbus A380. This is an interesting case…

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 John
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The outgoing Joyce regime having a battle with the rank and file. What a shock! Or put another way: it's just another normal day at QANTAS.


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Diamond
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Joyce’s last day cannot come fast enough.

He’s the Ron DeSatan of CEOs, picking a stupid fight that he’ll lose, and looking like the asshole he is in the meantime.


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(@Cody Q)
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You DON’T want to piss off the Pilots!


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 Tini
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The union is right-management is wrong.


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 RF
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Yup and Alan Joyce is a terrible CEO.


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(@Heathrow_LHR)
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....said NO ONE who's ever had to work under nepo-baby executives who've never spent a minute in their worthless lives of conducting/organizing/effectively-managing actual labor.


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Diamond
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@Heathrow,
I think what the original poster meant, is that the union is correct and management is at odds with the truth.

Not that union-is-right style of management is wrong. 🙂


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 SnM
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I don't want to fly with an airline that has unhappy pilots


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(@Jayendra Singh)
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Need to sort this out, there were flight cancellations from LAX/SYD (A380) affecting many passengers, with no compensation from Qantas. Very poor customer service, and a bad image of Australian Airline.


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 Paul
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Why don't they just hire new second officers with training on the 787 or A330. Problem solved and only one lot of training. God I'm brilliant. Move over Joyce and I'll take your $2M salary

Am I missing something


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(@Derek Pratte Pratte)
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Gotcha, Willy DeSatan.


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Diamond
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Mr Joyce could not possibly leave without picking a fight - it simply would not be in his make-up to go without noise. But it may also be that the Board desires clear air (pun intended) before the new CEO commences her tenure.


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 SNO
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I wonder where Qantas will find A380 pilots and why these pilots are available?
There isn't a large fleet of A380s flying worldwide like the A320 or the 737. What is the reason these individuals are seeking employment by Qantas? Are they cheap labor to bridge the time until the A380s are replaced by a more efficient plane?
This labor dispute is a strange situation. One would assume there are A380 pilots from within Qantas left, who were flying them pre COVID. What happened to them? Wouldn't they be the best option, since they are Qantas staff already (is it the downgrade of the position, that is an issue do accept a second officer position)?


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(@jetjock64)
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Any certificated airline pilot can, with the proper training, be easily qualified as a "380 pilot." So, the issue is not a lack of 380 pilots to be found at Quantas but whether the the courts will confirm the pilot union's legal right to force the airline to honor seniority, as set out in their contract.


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Diamond
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Yes, you're missing something. Qantas needs to hire second officers for the A380, they already have plenty for the A330/787.


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(@Andrew Wakefield)
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Joyce has well f*cked up and doesn't care as retirement looming.
Over the pandemic Project Sunrise should have sorted and then as soon as possible ordered jets.
Believe me, yes I am lucky, but I would never fly non-stop on 787 Dreamliner.
SAI from LHR - SYD with a 3h stopover SIN after deplaning would pass in no time. I'd much SAI Suites than a cramped not particularly good hard business class seats.
Joyce's Project Sunrise won't work I believe on an A350. Qantas doesn't act first, it reacts. It's funny how BA have been operating their A380 for well over a year, and getting 103% loads, but with no-shows there flying 100% loads.


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(@Kraut)
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I imagine there are plenty of Aussies working for Gulf carriers flying the A380 that would love to walk into that job at home


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(@Peter Ford)
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BA pay scales are based on seniority. A 10 year P2 on an A320 is paid the same as an A380 pilot of equal seniority. Saves all the double training, as pilots don’t have to be on the biggest type to increase their pay. Also BA don’t employ partially qualified Second Officers who are not allowed to take off and land on route trips. All BA copilots are trained to Captain standard as required, as many A380 routes are crewed by just two pilots.


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