American Plans New Wide Body Aircraft Order, But The Choice May Surprise Us

American Plans New Wide Body Aircraft Order, But The Choice May Surprise Us

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While there are more questions than answers as of now, it seems increasingly likely that American Airlines will place a wide body aircraft order in the near future. However, the airline might not go with the obvious choice.

American could order Airbus or Boeing wide body planes

Among the “big three” US carriers, American has by far the weakest long haul network, especially when you take Latin America out of the equation. As I view the long haul network, American primarily likes to fly to joint ventures markets, to Latin America, and then do some seasonal summer flying to Europe (of course that’s a slight oversimplification, but you get the point).

I’d say we’ve gotten to this point due to a combination of some strategic blunders (retiring the Boeing 757s, Boeing 767s, and Airbus A330s early), along with American’s failed strategy of over-focusing on domestic flying, as part of Vasu Raja’s high conviction El Paso world domination strategy.

Looking at American’s wide body fleet, the airline has 67 Boeing 777s (47 777-200ERs and 20 777-300ERs), along with 70 Boeing 787s (37 787-8s, 33 787-9s). At this point, American’s remaining wide body order book includes just 19 787-9s, so that’s not a whole lot of planes.

American only has 19 more wide body planes on order

As a point of comparison, Delta has 78 wide body planes on order, while United has a jaw-dropping 135 wide body planes on order. So yeah, American is increasingly falling behind when it comes to its wide body fleet, not to mention you need to order planes with quite a bit of lead time, so if you want to become more competitive, that takes time.

That brings us to the latest rumor, shared by JonNYC. He reports how American may be looking to place a new wide body aircraft order soon, and that this could be either with Airbus or Boeing. To be clear, this isn’t some shocking development, as we’ve kind of known this was in the cards. But what I find interesting is the suggestion that this could be Airbus or Boeing aircraft.

Which wide body aircraft will American select?

This is where I think it gets interesting. Ultimately there are four wide body aircraft families to choose from — the A330neo, A350, 777X, and 787. Which could American order?

I think one important thing to remember is that American executives simply don’t want very high capacity long haul aircraft. They’ve said it repeatedly, and for that matter, if United can’t make a next generation plane bigger than the 787-10 work despite its huge global network, then American certainly can’t either. So I’d eliminate the 777X and A350 as possibilities:

  • There’s no way American is ordering the 777X; the plane isn’t even certified, and it’s “too much plane” for American anyway
  • I also don’t see American ordering the A350; both variants are larger than American’s 787-9s, the plane is expensive, and there’s quite a bit of demand for it

So that leaves us with the 787 and A330neo. Logically, you’d think American would just keep increasing its 787 fleet, and would even order the 787-10, the largest variant of the plane. That seems like the obvious choice — it’s higher capacity, very fuel efficient, and has amazing per seat economics. For that matter, American eventually needs to replace its aging 777-300ERs, and it’s not like the airline is using the full range of those planes.

The catch is that the 787 is expensive, and there’s a long wait to get the planes. For example, Delta recently ordered the 787-10, and the first delivery will only happen in 2031.

That brings us to the A330neo, which might seem like an odd plane for American to order, but I actually increasingly think we could see that become a reality. Compared to the 787, the plane is a bit cheaper, a bit smaller, and it can also be ordered with less lead time.

While it might seem like a wild card, it does strike me as the most likely option for American, if it doesn’t go with the 787.

Could American follow Delta with ordering the A330-900neo?

It’s just amazing to me how much money American has wasted on its long haul fleet strategy. American retired its entire (ex-US Airways) A330 fleet at the start of the pandemic, even though those planes were largely still quite new.

American had the opportunity to bring those back, but just decided not to. Instead, those planes are now being acquired by Vietnam’s Sun PhuQuoc Airways. It’s just so bizarre how American has so much debt, yet is obsessed with flying new planes, despite not actually having a lot to show for it in terms of passenger experience.

Like, American has the youngest fleet of the “big three” US carriers, but when you step onboard the average American plane, you wouldn’t know it. That’s because American has spent all its money on the metal and new engines, rather than on the passenger experience.

So anyway, we’ll mark this as “developing” for now, but I imagine that either we’re going to see a 787-10 order, or an A330-900neo order.

Bottom line

American is reportedly nearing a new wide body aircraft order, which isn’t necessarily surprising, given the carrier’s lack of an order book. JonNYC suggests we could see either an Airbus or Boeing order, which I find to be quite interesting, since most would assume that American would stick to Boeing.

I think a 777X or A350 order is highly unlikely, given their size and cost. Logically, you’d think American would keep growing its 787 fleet, and maybe even order the 787-10, given its great economics (despite American’s lack of desire for large long haul aircraft).

However, I think the wild card would be an A330-900neo order, since that actually seems like a pretty good fit for American, at least based on its (questionable) strategy. The plane is more readily available, not terribly high capacity, and a bit cheaper than the alternatives.

What wide body plane do you think American will ultimately order?

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  1. BradStPete Diamond

    I think the A330 would be a great choice for a number of reasons that seem to fit with AA's needs.
    Easily do Europe and deep South America. Not to large nor small and the aircraft has a very nice main cabin layout witeh the 2-4-2 configuration.

    1. John Guest

      I love this fake journalism. Like how many planes does UA have on order vs thos planned for retirement etc
      And always convenient to say american has no longer haul "when you remove the area they are dominant " haha what a joke

    2. Tony G. Guest

      Even if you expected United to retire EVERY 777-200s (74), EVERY 767-400s (16), and EVERY 767-300 (38) - which even includes some odd-ball airframes not flying, like a parked ex-Hawaiian 767, that's 128 maximum total replacements vs. 135 orders.

      But there isn't an existing "one for one" retirement of those airframes as new 787s come on line. United has said it plans to fly the 767s thru 2030 at least. And there is still the...

      Even if you expected United to retire EVERY 777-200s (74), EVERY 767-400s (16), and EVERY 767-300 (38) - which even includes some odd-ball airframes not flying, like a parked ex-Hawaiian 767, that's 128 maximum total replacements vs. 135 orders.

      But there isn't an existing "one for one" retirement of those airframes as new 787s come on line. United has said it plans to fly the 767s thru 2030 at least. And there is still the order for 45 A350s that isn't dead yet (not included in that "135 WB orders") which would be the natural replacement for the oldest UA 777s (currently 52 of them, with 42 flying / 10 in storage).

      So there is still plenty of growth baked into the pending WB orders plan.

    3. Brutus Guest

      Agreed…

      American could do a lot worse.
      I have just crossed the Atlantic twice in an A330neo and because of its 18” seat width it was certainly a better experience than in a 787 17” economy seat.

      The A330-900neo is less expensive than the 787-9 (the closest 787 match in cabin capacity), is available reasonably soon (unlike the other alternatives) has attractive economics (even more so if you factor in capital costs), and...

      Agreed…

      American could do a lot worse.
      I have just crossed the Atlantic twice in an A330neo and because of its 18” seat width it was certainly a better experience than in a 787 17” economy seat.

      The A330-900neo is less expensive than the 787-9 (the closest 787 match in cabin capacity), is available reasonably soon (unlike the other alternatives) has attractive economics (even more so if you factor in capital costs), and has a clean safety record. American also has a pool of pilots that used to be qualified on A330’s.

      For routes that may require the extra range that the 787-9 has they could fall back on their existing 787-9 fleet. If it works for Virgin, it should work for American.

  2. Paul Guest

    The idea of AA flying A330-900 is just fantasy. Why in the world would they ? A350-900 would be far better. 787-10 would be perfect. 20-30 777-9 would also great for expansion to London, Sydney, and deep Latin Markets.

    1. BradStPete Diamond

      I think Ben layed out the reasons why the A350 and 787-10 would be a poor fit, namely cost, delivery order and the aircrafts are simply too large for AA's needs.

  3. Aves Guest

    No wide body order is coming. Instead AA will announce an order for 100 E175s.

  4. Drew Guest

    Why couldn’t a 777-x work on any of their Heathrow routes? Or even a few domestic transcon routes to make them more comfortable? Not that I’m advocating bringing back the coach piano bar, but some more room would help.

    1. PeteAU Guest

      How many LHR routes would it work on, though? JFK and DFW, for sure. Maybe LAX, ORD, MIA, and SFO. There's probably enough demand to send them down to SYD from LAX during the holiday peak, and maybe... Maybe... Even a seasonal DFW-SYD service. Other than a few niches, though, it would be very expensive metal not really doing the job it was built for. The 789 or 359 would be more logical; and given their existing fleet, adding more 789s seems like the obvious choice.

    2. Fred Guest

      777-X works on network routes with a single, large hub instead of multiple hubs. BA has Heathrow, Cathay has Hong Kong, Etihad has Abu Dhabi, etc. With all their traffic forced into one hub, one big, large plane for international travel makes sense.

      But American - with international travel to the same locations overseas from multiple US hubs - doesn't see the same math. It's too hard to fill that big a plane from one...

      777-X works on network routes with a single, large hub instead of multiple hubs. BA has Heathrow, Cathay has Hong Kong, Etihad has Abu Dhabi, etc. With all their traffic forced into one hub, one big, large plane for international travel makes sense.

      But American - with international travel to the same locations overseas from multiple US hubs - doesn't see the same math. It's too hard to fill that big a plane from one of your several hubs. Better to operate multiple flights on slightly smaller planes from different hubs.

      Same calculations for Delta and United, even with "fortress" hubs like Delta has in Atlanta. It's better to have more seat capacity from several hubs than having most of the capacity focused in one hub when you have more than one hub serving international markets.

  5. Alternate Theory Guest

    Alternate Theory:

    just lease a few A330 from Hawaiian (oops, I mean Alaska) for a few years till the B787 come thru the pipeline.
    This would plug a hole and Alaska would appreciate the extra cash.
    Espouse the virtues of OneWorld interconnect and restore the hot pockets to the unwashed in Economy during Hawaiian flights.

  6. BBT Guest

    Actually AA should lease/buy some 773ER's from QR. Unfortunately given how things are shaping up in the middle east, there maybe a a few ME3 carriers with excessive widebodies. Would be better than parking those aircraft in IST, MEL and SYD.

    1. Nate Guest

      No one parks aircraft in IST, MRL or SYD. You park them in California or Spain.

      Plus Turkish out of IST is probably doing great considering its two strongest competitors are hurting.

  7. Opus Guest

    What I find surprising is that we think AA is that adventurous. Of course they could order Boeing or Airbus, that has been every US airline campaign for the past 30 years. Will they order the 330NEO? And further complicate their fleet? Probably not. AA will keep it simple and just load up on the 787-10 as their competitors have done. 330neo which is the same size as the 787-9 but less capable will show...

    What I find surprising is that we think AA is that adventurous. Of course they could order Boeing or Airbus, that has been every US airline campaign for the past 30 years. Will they order the 330NEO? And further complicate their fleet? Probably not. AA will keep it simple and just load up on the 787-10 as their competitors have done. 330neo which is the same size as the 787-9 but less capable will show that AA management are really as stupid as everybody thinks. Whatever AA is saving in purchase price will be usurped by reintroducing a fleet type they’ve already exited and the fleet savings they get from commonality, evaporated.

  8. sunviking82 Guest

    AA does have some "rights" with both Airbus and Boeing to move up deliveries as part of the order back when LAA placed a320 and Max orders so not our of the realm that they could order the 787. I would love to see more 787-9 and add the -10. The cost benefit of a common fleet in the long run out ways a low price in the near term in some cases. Either way,...

    AA does have some "rights" with both Airbus and Boeing to move up deliveries as part of the order back when LAA placed a320 and Max orders so not our of the realm that they could order the 787. I would love to see more 787-9 and add the -10. The cost benefit of a common fleet in the long run out ways a low price in the near term in some cases. Either way, would like to see both European and Asian expansion especially out of PHX (Japan and Spain, with seasonal Rome?) to start. And YES! PHX can support it, 5.5 million people a now the US largest chip and growing high tech and defense industries, we are not the dusty western one horse town anymore.

  9. Hk Guest

    Y class on 787 is way too tight and everyone walking aisle hits my shoulder. Would be nicer to have 330neo for that reason. Not sure how fast AA can get them though - the entire industry still suffers from the supply chain issue.

  10. Tim Dunn Diamond

    I have said for quite some time that a 339 order makes sense for AA

    the 339 is readily available and far more economical to operate than the 772s. AA could easily spend a big chunk of the cost refurbushing 777s and still pay 25% more for fuel for 10 more years.

    Airbus can price 339s well below the 787 and deliver them sooner.
    The339 and 789 cost about the same to operate on 4000-4500 mile routes

    It just might make sense for AA to buy a large fleet of 330NEOs

    1. ORD_Is_My_Second_Home Diamond

      You absolutely love sucking up to the Frenchies, don't you? It makes you feel so much like your idol and waifu Ed.

    2. AeroB13a Guest

      Don’t knock it until you have tried it ORD …. the superiority of AirBus aircraft …. :-)

    3. ORD_Is_My_Second_Home Diamond

      The French haven't been superior in anything dealing with aviation since Bleriot.

    4. ORD_Is_My_Second_Home Diamond

      The French haven't been superior in anything dealing with aviation since Bleriot.

    5. Mike Guest

      I don't recall any recent Airbus plane killing people because of a manufacturing error.

    6. Brutus Guest

      Very thoughtful argument.
      I hadn’t thought of that…

  11. CaNerdIan Guest

    Did you really waste all those pixels and brain cells (yours and mine!) to come to the blindingly obvious conclusion that an airline seeking to acquire more widebodies is going to acquire them from either Boeing or Airbus?

    Hard-hitting journalism there, bud.

    1. Ben Schlappig OMAAT

      @ CaNerdIan -- I think you didn't read the post. My commentary centered primarily around *which* of those planes the airline may order.

  12. George N Romey Guest

    AA is missing out where the probably only profitable part of the airline business is, long haul premium. It makes sense to close that loop. And if 330NEO are available in the short term that's what AA may have to go with, ironic as it is that the airline had 330s to begin with.

  13. Harold Guest

    looking forward to TD's analysis that the A330-900 is great when DL flies it, but terrible when AA flies it

    1. Premium Guy Guest

      Calling a TD comment an analysis is way too much overstated lol

  14. shoeguy Guest

    The only logical options (and given how conservative AA is about fleet strategy and long haul route planning) are more 787-9s or the 787-10 or a mix of 9s and 10s. There will be zero chance of an Airbus wide body at AA. That would require a new fleet type, for what would be a small-ish size (20-40 frames) and would then put its fleet development strategy further into complex orders it doesn't want.

    1. Parnel Diamond

      I agree 100% no chance AA will add the 330s for 20 planes it might need. The order will be for 787-10s

  15. Abidjan Diamond

    Bring back the A300s! That aside, I do hope the 787-10 is the choice. Hate to think the 777X would never be considered.

    1. 1990 Guest

      They're called dirigibles or airships, you simpleton!

    2. Jack Guest

      A "blimp" is a specific type of lighter-that-air craft. Alert might have intended to refer to that specific type as opposed to the more general category.

    3. Jack Guest

      A "blimp" is a specific type of lighter-that-air craft. Alert might have intended to refer to that specific type as opposed to the more general category.

  16. TC Guest

    "American could order Airbus or Boeing wide body planes"

    That's the type of hard hitting journalism I came here for.....

    1. Ben Schlappig OMAAT

      @ TC -- I get you're being sassy, but JonNYC has some great scoops, and with what he writes, you sort of have to read between the lines. When he says things, it's intentional.

      I think a vast majority of people would assume that only Boeing planes are under consideration, so the fact that American could order Airbus planes is pretty significant.

    2. Sharon Guest

      The a330neo is actually great from a passamger perspective and could work very well in many AA hubs given the range they need.

      I’d imagine they would be primarily focused at CLT and PHL to focus on leisure travel while AA gives the business hubs the 787 because they need the extra range; like LAX and JFK.

  17. PW Guest

    Remember when US Airways ordered the A350

    1. Ben Schlappig OMAAT

      @ PW -- Especially in retrospect, everything related to US Airways is fascinating, when you consider how both American and United are run by US Airways alum.

    2. Jay Guest

      And then Raja compared the 359 to a lawnmower or something completely insane. How that didn't get him fired is beyond my comprehension. United should be careful with someone like that. The 339 makes sense for CLT and PHL but so did the 332. I'd love to see the 339 but I think 789 for PHL and CLT and some 781 (as a 772 replacement) for other hubs likely makes the most sense, unless Airbus gives a very good deal.

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Ben Schlappig OMAAT

@ TC -- I get you're being sassy, but JonNYC has some great scoops, and with what he writes, you sort of have to read between the lines. When he says things, it's intentional. I think a vast majority of people would assume that only Boeing planes are under consideration, so the fact that American could order Airbus planes is pretty significant.

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Harold Guest

looking forward to TD's analysis that the A330-900 is great when DL flies it, but terrible when AA flies it

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BradStPete Diamond

I think Ben layed out the reasons why the A350 and 787-10 would be a poor fit, namely cost, delivery order and the aircrafts are simply too large for AA's needs.

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