China Southern In Discussions To Join Oneworld

While this was rumored as far back as 2018, it seems that discussions are once again taking place over the prospect of China Southern joining the oneworld alliance.

Why China Southern may join oneworld

China Southern (by some metrics China’s largest airline) has had an interesting five years:

  • In 2017, American Airlines invested in China Southern, even though the airline belonged to the SkyTeam alliance
  • China Southern then left the SkyTeam alliance in 2019, after having been a member for 10 years; this came around the same time that Delta invested in SkyTeam member China Eastern, meaning there was little value remaining for China Southern to stay in the alliance
  • While China Southern hasn’t been in an alliance for the past few years, the airline has been increasingly aligning with oneworld airlines; not only do American Airlines and Qatar Airways have equity stakes in China Southern, but British Airways and Finnair also have commercial agreements with China Southern

That brings us to the latest update. Danny Lee at Bloomberg reports that talks are once again taking place about the possibility of China Southern joining the oneworld alliance. This is according to people familiar with the discussions, though allegedly no final decision has been made. Furthermore, China’s entry restrictions have prevented in-person discussions from taking place regarding this

Pre-pandemic, China was one of the largest and fastest growing international aviation markets. Obviously it would be a huge asset for oneworld to have an airline based in mainland China, as both SkyTeam and Star Alliance have multiple member airlines in mainland China.

At the same time, given that China continues to more or less be cut off from the rest of the world, I can’t say I’m really that invested in this one way or another, since it’s not like most of us will be able to travel to China anytime soon (or would want to, based on the current situation).

Could China Southern join oneworld?

The problem with China Southern joining oneworld

Despite China being cut off from the rest of the world, on the surface it still sounds like a net positive for China Southern to join the oneworld alliance. After all, more alliance airlines are better than fewer alliance airlines. But there’s a major catch.

Cathay Pacific is a founding member of the oneworld alliance, and founding members have veto rights about which airlines can join the alliance. There have been some pretty strong indications that Cathay Pacific isn’t down with China Southern joining the oneworld alliance. After all, Guangzhou and Hong Kong are under 100 miles apart, so this would add quite a bit of competition for Cathay Pacific.

I suppose it’s possible that Cathay Pacific could have had a change of heart since the start of the pandemic, but I doubt it. Similarly, I suppose it’s possible that China Southern could join as a oneworld connect member, but that’s of limited value.

This gets back to a rumor that has been around for years, which is that China Southern would join oneworld and Cathay Pacific would join Star Alliance. The basis of this is that Air China is the second largest investor in Cathay Pacific, so it’s logical for the two airlines to cooperate more on some level. Along the same lines, that also further explains why Cathay Pacific may not want China Southern in oneworld.

At this point I think it’s unlikely that Cathay Pacific leaves oneworld, at least anytime in the near future. I also don’t see Cathay Pacific being down with China Southern joining the alliance.

So my guess is that these will just be continued discussions, and that not much will come of this. Or perhaps China Southern will become a oneworld connect member, which would be a compromise.

I can’t imagine Cathay Pacific would be down for this

Bottom line

Discussions are once again allegedly taking place between China Southern and oneworld, about the possibility of the airline joining the alliance. While oneworld would benefit from having an airline in mainland China, I imagine that Cathay Pacific would veto having a close competitor join the alliance.

So I don’t see this happening, personally, but who knows…

What do you make of the prospect of China Southern joining oneworld?

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Alwaleed Althani Guest

Cathay Pacific is not as strong neither politically nor financially as they once were and Qatar Airways own a big share of the Airline so it is not all in their hand

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LEo Diamond

China Southern have long-haul base in URC,SHE,WUH,PKX etc along. Yes, China southern have a large share of it's business located in Southern China, but it's the largest carrier in Asia, with more then a dozen of base domestically throughout, from HRB to SYX, from URC,SHA, all throughout china.

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iamhere Guest

Your comments are as usual from the American or western point of view. Many Chinese make up a lot of customers for the alliances and it depends where you are based as to the carrier or alliance you will focus on. Anyway, I think CZ is in the worst position here because they basically now are not with an alliance. They are no longer part of Skyteam but are not part of OneWorld either and many Chinese think they will become part of OneWorld but they do have OneWorld code-share flights. Further, if they join OneWorld it will make a huge OneWorld cluster for the south of China. On the other hand there are many smaller carriers in China that either a) don't have any partners and just several flights and service smaller destinations or b) are invested by or a subsidiary of a major carrier (it could be to the extent or running operations together (e.g. Shanghai Airlines and China Eastern or Shenzhen Airlines and Air China)).

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David Diamond

The Cathay leaving OW to join *A never seemed like a plausible scenario to me. Why would Cathay leave an alliance where they have veto power, just to join another alliance where they have Shenzhen Airlines, EVA, Air China, ANA, Singapore Air, Thai Airways all fighting for regional and international connections?

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JW Guest

People here seem to forget the fact that the largest shareholder is Swire Pacific and that Qatar Airways has an almost 10% share in CX, no way QR will allow CX to leave for *A unless communist China asks for it.

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