Boeing Employees Mocked Lion Air For Wanting 737 MAX Training

Every day you just think that Boeing couldn’t come out of the current 737 MAX investigation looking any worse… and then they manage to find a way to top themselves.

Boeing now recommends 737 MAX simulator training

As I recently wrote about, one of the selling points of the 737 MAX when it was first being designed was that the plane didn’t require separate simulator training, meaning that existing 737 pilots could easily fly the MAX.

Boeing 737 MAX simulator

Not only are simulators incredibly costly, but simulator training is also time consuming for pilots. For example, when Boeing and Southwest negotiated the 737 MAX order years ago, Boeing stated that they would give Southwest a discount of $1 million per plane if simulator training were required.

Well, just last week Boeing recommended to the FAA that 737 MAX pilots should undergo simulator training. This recommendation came after some simulator tests were carried out in late 2019, where Boeing found that 737 MAX pilots were relying on their flying skills, rather than the correct procedures, when dealing with 737 MAX emergencies.

Boeing mocked Lion Air for wanting 737 MAX simulator training

The whole reason the 737 MAX was grounded was due to two deadly crashes, the deadliest of which was with Lion Air crash, where 189 people died. This was found to be due to inadequate training and unfamiliarity with the new MAX systems.

Well, the House committee investigating the 737 MAX has now found that in 2017 Lion Air wanted to put their pilots through simulator training before flying the 737 MAX, but Boeing talked them out of it.

How did Boeing employees feel about this? One employee wrote:

“Now friggin Lion Air might need a sim to fly the MAX, and maybe because of their own stupidity. I’m scrambling trying to figure out how to unscrew this now! idiots,”

Another employee responded:

“WHAT THE F%$&!!!! But their sister airline is already flying it!”

A couple of days after this, Boeing’s chief technical pilot for the 737 bragged:

“Looks like my jedi mind trick worked again!”

There was an attached email exchange recommending computer-based courses over simulator training, in which Boeing’s chief technical pilot for the 737 wrote:

“I am concerned that if [redacted] chooses to require a Max simulator for its pilots beyond what all other regulators are requiring that it will be creating a difficult and unnecessary training burden for your airline, as well as potentially establish a precedent in your region for other Max customers.”

Boeing 737 MAX simulator

Bottom line

Obviously I expect any company with 150,000 employees to have some bad apples. However, some of the internal Boeing communication that has been released, including among senior officials at the company, is simply unbelievable.

What does it say about a company when the chief technical pilot of one of the world’s most popular commercial aircraft is trying to play “jedi mind tricks” on airlines? And what precedent does it set when he’s openly communicating that way with others in the company?

And of course the much bigger issue is that airlines were asking for this critical training that could have saved nearly 350 lives before the planes went into service, yet Boeing talked them out of it, only to now backtrack and recommend that training.

Not that the stock market is ever a perfect reflection of what’s going on at a company, though it’s bizarre to me how little Boeing’s stock price has been impacted by the disastrous past year they’ve had, between 737 MAX issues, along with issues with their new 777X. Boeing’s stock has only fallen about 25% from its all time high, and it’s still higher than it ever was prior to 2018.

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Donald Guest

People I know from Boeing said the company was bought by the money guys and the safety culture was ruined. They were waiting for a disaster to happen. So it finally did.

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John Guest

@scott And a sterling job you and your colleagues did certifying the 737Max. Great job! Well done. LOL. So spare us your self-serving rant.

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Gregory Johnson Guest

HMMM, 40000+ flights over a two year period. Nothing, zilch, nada. So this issue either never occurred in that time, OR, the issue was corrected, as it was by a third seat pilot on one of the planes. I've been on two of those 40000 flights and apparently it never happened on those.

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scott Guest

At the time these were written, the authors believed that there was no need for training. Had the MCAS been designed properly that would have been the case. Spare me the mock outrage. We all write things that are a bit crass when communicating in private or speaking in private. We've all done it. To judge this in the context of the accidents is not fair - they didn't know this was coming. James C, the 737 is not "aerodynamically flawed". ALL commercial aircraft use software to overcome handling issues. Every single one. If they are conventional controlled they use Mach trim compensation, yaw damping, sometimes a flap-stab trim interconnect and there are other schemes to over come what you are calling "aerodynamic flaws". If they are a modern fly by wire airplane the entire handling is done through software! This has been done for over half a century and if done properly it is perfectly safe. But for some bizarre reason Boeing screwed it up. The Max, with its current engine, and a properly designed MCAS system will be a perfectly safe aircraft that will meet all the certification requirements. I've been certifying airplanes for almost 3 decades and once they get it fixed I will happily fly on a Max without a care in the world.

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Marlon Vaughn Guest

Maybe Boeing needs to kill the MAX program and go back to building 737 NGs and start from scratch on a replacement.

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