Odds Of American Still Being Added As A Citi ThankYou Transfer Partner?

Odds Of American Still Being Added As A Citi ThankYou Transfer Partner?

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Last November I wrote a post speculating that American AAdvantage would eventually be added as a Citi ThankYou mileage transfer partner. It was purely speculation on my part, but I predicted that after American’s AAdvantage award chart devaluation, they’d eventually be added as a Citi ThankYou transfer partner.

With the recent news of American’s new credit card agreement with both Barclaycard and Citi, I figured I’d write a follow-up post on that, as I have some further thoughts.

Why American would be added as a Citi ThankYou transfer partner

The “big three” US carriers all seem to follow one another. The three major transferrable points currencies are Amex Membership Rewards, Chase Ultimate Rewards, and Citi ThankYou.

Membership Rewards points can be transferred to Delta SkyMiles, Ultimate Rewards points can be transferred to United MileagePlus, and oddly up until American AAdvantage points can’t be transferred to Citi ThankYou, despite the fact that American’s credit card agreement is with Citi.

Why do I think this hasn’t happened up until now?

  • American devalued their award chart on March 22, 2016, so I figured the’d perhaps allow points from Citi to be transferred after that, since presumably they’d be willing to offer Citi a better rate on less valuable miles
  • Citi only introduced a truly transferrable points currency a couple of years ago, so it’s much newer than Amex Membership Rewards or Chase Ultimate Rewards; my assumption was simply that they hadn’t gotten around to negotiating their contract in such a way yet

Citi-ThankYou-Points

American’s credit card negotiations are now done

Earlier in the week it was announced that going forward, American will have credit cards issued by both Citi and Barclaycard. Keep in mind that US Airways’ former cards were issued by Barclaycard, while American’s credit cards are issued by Citi.

This is a bit of a surprising resolution, given that it means American will be the only one of the “big three” US carriers to not have an exclusive credit card agreement. That means that neither issuer was willing to pay the price American wanted for exclusivity.

As View from the Wing pointed out, per American’s 8K filing, they’ll see huge gains as a result of this:

As a result of the new arrangements announced today, American Airlines Group Inc. and American presently expect consolidated pre-tax income for financial reporting purposes to increase by approximately $200 million in the second half of 2016, $550 million in 2017 and $800 million in 2018, with continued modest improvement in pre-tax income each year beyond, in each case as compared to results expected under the prior credit card arrangements.

Those are increases of $550-800 million per year over the next couple of years — wow!

What does this mean for Citi ThankYou & American?

So, as it pertains of AAdvantage being added as a ThankYou points transfer partner, what can we make of the recent announcement of American striking a deal with both Citi and Barclaycard?

Some might argue that the recent announcement makes it less likely that AAdvantage is added as a ThankYou transfer partner. In theory I suppose that’s true, since clearly American’s relationship with Citi isn’t as close as Amex’s relationship with Delta, or Chase’s relationship with United.

However, I actually think this increases the odds of AAdvantage being added as a ThankYou transfer partner. Why?

  • As a bargaining technique, American and Citi may have ultimately agreed on a non-exclusive agreement with the condition that AAdvantage would be added as a Citi ThankYou transfer partner
  • American is planning on seeing huge gains from this new agreement, and part of that may very well come from increased revenue through transferrable points
  • Citi ThankYou points can already be redeemed for 1.33-1.6 cents each towards the cost of a ticket on American, so surely American is willing to sell their points to Citi at a lower cost than that, especially now that they’ve devalued their award chart and greatly decreased the number of miles they’re issuing through travel, since they’re awarding miles based on revenue

Citi-Prestige-Points

American’s recent credit card negotiations could also explain why we haven’t seen anything on this front yet. If the points do transfer, presumably they were part of these negotiations.

Bottom line

American’s recent credit card deal suggests to me they’re doing everything they can to monetize the AAdvantage program (as they should). Now that American has devalued their miles and is issuing fewer miles through travel, I imagine Citi and American could come to a mutually beneficial deal on a points transfer option. The huge gains American is expecting to see from this new credit card agreement point in that direction as well.

Citi ThankYou points can already be redeemed for 1.33-1.6 cents each towards the cost of travel on American, so I imagine Citi could pay even less through a transfer option.

Again, this is all speculation on my part, so I’m just sharing my take, given that I’ve been asked this question several times over the past few days.

In light of the recent credit card announcement, do you think AAdvantage will be added as a Citi ThankYou transfer partner?

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  1. Joe1293 Guest

    It took 5 years to make this happen

  2. John Guest

    Anyone else notice the big change?

  3. pacifico Guest

    Oddly Delta is the Citi ThankYou transfer partnerh here in Hong Kong and the rest of the world but US

  4. Tommy Trash Gold

    Surely they're not anticipating significantly new revenue from stingy Barclay. Everyone who wants an AAviator card already has one. How large is the pool of possible card applicants who do not have the AAviator card and can pass Barclay's muster? Barclay can be just as persnickety as Chase in denying credit for too many account/inquiries. I'm thinking AA transferability is the only reason for their rosy financial outlook.

  5. Jeremy Guest

    Speaking of Ethiad, since they use AA's old award chart, why not just transfer that was?

  6. RCB Gold

    By my math, 70,000 TYP would be worth $1,120 on American. However, if they transferred 1:1 to American then I could get a one-way business class flight to the Middle East on Etihad, which is worth $3,000-5,000. So, I'd much rather use the points than the dollars, they have better value for premium cabins since dollar wise they are 3-7 times more expensive than economy but with points are only about 2 times more expensive.

  7. El Plauzo Guest

    @Lucky
    "American AAdvantage points can’t be transferred to Citi ThankYou" i think you mean the other way around.

  8. kenny Guest

    AA saver redemption has turned to [email protected]#t anyways, so it doesn't matter. Better off just using the TYP at 1.6 cents toward airfare.

  9. Bobby J Member

    Another potential option that is purely speculative: Barclaycard creating their own transferable points currency with their existing cobrands? American, Hawaiian, Lufthansa, Wyndham...any others I'm missing?

    Pie in the sky conjecture :)

  10. Motti Guest

    The decision to give AA miles instead of TY points doesn't depend if AA is willing or not. I - personally - can give AA points to anyone (either by buying it directly on AA's website, or partnering with points.com, or even buying it in bulk and then distributing it - which is what Citi has done).

    Citi is already giving a great value for their TY points (1.33-1.6 cents for buying airline tickets thru...

    The decision to give AA miles instead of TY points doesn't depend if AA is willing or not. I - personally - can give AA points to anyone (either by buying it directly on AA's website, or partnering with points.com, or even buying it in bulk and then distributing it - which is what Citi has done).

    Citi is already giving a great value for their TY points (1.33-1.6 cents for buying airline tickets thru their partner, or exchanging it for airline miles). It would be a great addition and a perfect fit if they would add AA miles as another option.

  11. Jamil Guest

    I have wanted this to happen so badly. I also want the Prestige golf round benefit to be redeemable all at once or at least two at once so I can treat folks to a round. #wishfulthinking

  12. Brian L. Gold

    Which will happen first: 1) AA becoming a TYP transfer partner; 2) Diners Club taking new applications; 3) Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton revealing that the whole 2016 election is part of their secret Truman Show conspiracy; 4) a peace deal with Israel & the Palestinians? :D

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Joe1293 Guest

It took 5 years to make this happen

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John Guest

Anyone else notice the big change?

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pacifico Guest

Oddly Delta is the Citi ThankYou transfer partnerh here in Hong Kong and the rest of the world but US

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