- Introduction: Two Times To Latin America
- Review: LATAM Lounge Miami Airport (MIA)
- Review: LATAM Business Class Boeing 787 (MIA-SCL)
- Review: Ritz-Carlton Santiago, Chile (I’m Conflicted)
- Review: LATAM Lounge Santiago Airport (SCL)
- Review: SkyTeam Lounge Santiago Airport (SCL)
- Review: Delta One Business Class Airbus A350 (SCL-ATL)
- Review: Amex Centurion Lounge Atlanta Airport (ATL)
- Review: Delta First Class Boeing 737-800 (ATL-MEX)
For the next segment of my two times to Latin America review trip, I flew Delta’s Boeing 737-800 first class on the 2hr40min flight from Atlanta (ATL) to Mexico City (MEX). Let me acknowledge that technically this is marketed as business class on short haul international flights, but it’s identical to domestic first class in that regard.
Ultimately there’s only so much variability on short haul international flights from the United States, so the experience was more or less what I expected. However, what caught me off guard was the completely beat up and filthy cabin. I don’t know for how long this cabin has been neglected, but it made me yearn for an American 737 cabin, which is saying something…
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How I booked my Delta first class ticket
As any points collector knows, it can be hard to get good value when trying to redeem Delta SkyMiles for premium cabin flights. At least that’s the case if you’re originating or terminating your trip in the United States. However, it’s a different story if you’re simply connecting in the United States, which leads to much better pricing.
For this trip, I booked the following in business class for 65,800 Delta SkyMiles plus $87.32 in taxes & fees:
9/19 DL146 Santiago to Atlanta departing 8:40PM arriving 5:15AM (+1 day)
9/20 DL602 Atlanta to Mexico City departing 12:21PM arriving 1:55PM
In the previous installment, I reviewed Delta’s A350-900 business class, and then in this installment I’ll be reviewing the connection. One of the main reasons I even connected to Mexico City was to get such a good price, since simply terminating in Atlanta would have cost around 5x as much. Personally I’m also not going to risk it with throwaway ticketing.
Delta first class boarding
I spent my layover at the Amex Centurion Lounge Atlanta, which is solid, and has beautiful decor. My flight was departing from gate F12, and boarding was scheduled to start at 11:26AM, a full 55 minutes before departure. Sheesh, I know airlines board international flights earlier than domestic ones, but that’s a really long boarding process for a 737.
We didn’t end up starting boarding on schedule. That’s because the inbound aircraft only arrived at the gate at 11:15AM, and it then takes time to deplane everyone, clean the plane, cater it, etc. Boarding ended up starting at 11:55AM, around 30 minutes behind schedule, but still over 25 minutes before departure.
Delta 737-800 first class cabin & seats
I recently reviewed Delta’s Boeing 737-900ER first class, so it was interesting to step onto the carrier’s 737-800, and have a vastly different experience. Delta’s 737-800s feature 16 first class seats, spread across four rows, in a 2-2 configuration.
Delta’s 737-800 first class seats have 38″ of pitch and 20.9″ of width, so they’re quite spacious. Despite the seats being thick, they’re not actually terribly comfortable. I didn’t find the padding to be great, and there’s also not an adjustable head rest, as you’ll find in many first class (and even economy) seats, which can make a big difference in terms of comfort.
I had assigned myself seat 1A, since it was the last window seat available at the time of booking (and I’m a window seat guy). While the seat’s actual upholstery looked fresh enough, everything else about the cabin felt outdated and neglected.
For example, there were AC power outlets underneath the seats, as well as… ethernet ports? Talk about a throwback! We all know that US airlines sometimes don’t do a great job with cleaning cabins. However, I couldn’t believe how absolutely filthy this area was, with a level of dirt that had clearly been accumulated over a long time.
Did no one at any point notice this and/or report for it to be cleaned? How many people have to ignore this level of mess for it to get this bad? Sheesh.
Even look at the little entertainment volume and channel controls on the center armrest, and how they’re peeling. You’d think you’re flying with an airline in a developing country that picks up planes from the desert that were supposed to be retired, rather than the United States’ most premium and profitable airline. 😉
The tray table folded out from the armrest, and while mine worked okay, my seat mate’s tray table kept collapsing, and wouldn’t stay up.
While I appreciate Delta’s commitment to offering seat back entertainment, this plane had the smallest and lowest resolution premium cabin entertainment monitor I’ve seen on a flight in a long time.
The overhead console also wasn’t very modern, but at least had individual air nozzles, which I appreciate.
This is honestly the least impressive cabin I’ve seen on a US airline in years. The good news, at least, is that Delta has plans to retrofit these jets, and introduce updated interiors. So that’s long overdue, but in the meantime, expect to be disappointed.
Delta 737-800 first class entertainment & Wi-Fi
On the plus side, Delta’s seat back entertainment selection is extensive, with a huge variety of movies, TV shows, music, etc. However, the screen is so small and low definition, and also has a lot of glare, so I can’t say that I really used it much. Furthermore, the flight tracker feature wasn’t working, for whatever reason.
Delta also offers free Wi-Fi to SkyMiles members. On this flight the Wi-Fi only worked intermittently, and I found the speeds to be quite poor when it was working.
Delta 737-800 departure from Atlanta
The boarding process was a bit rushed, given the late start. As a result, no pre-departure drinks were offered, though there were mini bottles of water at each seat upon boarding.
Boarding was efficient, and wrapped up by around 12:20PM — the flight wasn’t anywhere close to full, so I imagine that helped. At this point the captain made his welcome aboard announcement, informing us of our flight time of 2hr40min, and our cruising altitude of 36,000 feet.
The main cabin door closed at 12:25PM, and a moment later, we began our pushback. We then started our taxi at 12:30PM, and only had to cover a short distance to the runway, where we were cleared for takeoff at 12:40PM.
We had a smooth climb out, as it was a beautiful day, with scattered clouds.
The seatbelt sign ended up staying on for around 30 minutes, until we reached our cruising altitude, as is pretty typical on US airlines.
Delta first class lunch service
Once at cruising altitude, the inflight service began. The flight attendant took meal orders at this point, with the three choices being described as a beef open faced sandwich, mushroom ravioli, or a smoked chicken salad. I ended up choosing that last option.
Around 45 minutes after takeoff, tablecloths were distributed, along with drinks. I ordered a Diet Coke to drink. I always find it a bit surprising how Delta doesn’t serve anything with the initial round of drinks — for example, American serves mixed nuts before lunch and dinner.
About an hour after takeoff, the smoked chicken salad was served. I’ve gotta say, the salad was tasty, and came with a packaged focaccia bread type thing, a potato salad on the side, and a dessert tart.
It was a pretty good meal, so I have no complaints there. After the meal I decided to order a coffee, since I was getting pretty tired at this point.
Delta 737-800 first class lavatory
Closer to landing, I decided to check out the lavatory, located at the front of the cabin. It was on the tight side, but at least had mood lighting, and the sink wasn’t as tiny as what you’ll find on some new and retrofitted 737s.
Delta first class service
The flight attendant working first class on this sector was average. She went through the motions and was happy to accommodate any requests, but in no way went above and beyond, wasn’t overly friendly, etc.
It’s interesting that on this Delta trip, I didn’t have particularly great service on either sector, despite Delta generally having superior service.
Delta 737-800 arrival in Mexico City
Around 30 minutes before landing, we had some great views as we made landfall over Mexico, after crossing the Gulf of Mexico. Around this time the captain gave us an update on our arrival time, and stated we’d be descending shortly.
During our approach, we had some great views of Mexico City’s other (new) airport, Felipe Ángeles International Airport (NLU).
We also had some nice views of Mexico City. The size of the city never ceases to amaze me, and approaching by air really puts that into perspective.
We landed at Mexico City Airport at 1:25PM, on runway 5R. Due to the altitude of Mexico City, landings there are always a bit more exciting, given the higher speeds.
From the arrival runway, we had a roughly 10-minute taxi to our arrival gate. I always enjoy the traffic at Mexico City Airport, as parts of the apron almost look like an airplane graveyard.
We ended up arriving at our gate at 1:35PM, well ahead of schedule, and parked next to a Delta Airbus A319.
I quickly cleared immigration, and then headed to the Hilton Mexico City Airport, where I’d be spending the night.
Bottom line
I’ve gotta say, Delta’s Boeing 737-800 first class leaves a bit to be desired. The cabins are not only outdated, but this jet was filthy and poorly maintained. While it’s nice that Delta has seat back entertainment, the screens are so small and low resolution that they might as well not bother. I’m happy that Delta has plans to update the cabins of these aircraft.
As far as the rest of the flight goes, it was okay. The meal was reasonably good, while the service was average, and the (free) Wi-Fi was slow and intermittent. On balance, this definitely wasn’t Delta’s strongest showing.
What’s your take on Delta’s 737-800 first class?
Actually, it is consistent with DL over the past couple of year. I thought I'd lose out when I had to switch to AA due to the hub city I moved to but honestly, glad I don't have to deal with DL anymore. They are living on their past laurels, and much happier these days with the service, condition of the plan and using my on device on AA, then the crap that is now much of DL.
Am I the only one who thinks potato salad is an odd side for a salad? Some gazpacho or chilled soup would probably be cheaper to make in quantity and make for a more interesting meal.
Lil’ Timmy really likes his 5” tv’s and skypesos.
Why not, Daddy says they're the most PREMIUM thing you can possibly experience in your lifetime! You should be thankful to live in a time with an opportunity like this!
How many 737-800 do they have left that aren't updated interiors? I believe they are supposed to be done in early to mid 2025?
now that the panic of dealing with Ben's failures in handling his visit to Egypt has passed - which clearly overtook all other writing priorities for days on end - Ben is back to his usual diet of predictable reviews.
Serious question #1, Ben.
What did you realistically expect to change between your review of the DL 738 just a few months ago? Your pictures are just about the same as before. Your focus...
now that the panic of dealing with Ben's failures in handling his visit to Egypt has passed - which clearly overtook all other writing priorities for days on end - Ben is back to his usual diet of predictable reviews.
Serious question #1, Ben.
What did you realistically expect to change between your review of the DL 738 just a few months ago? Your pictures are just about the same as before. Your focus on the cabin was no different. Since multiple people told you then - if you didn't know which I know isn't the case - that DL is in the midst of a cabin refurbishment program on its 738s, why did you assume that you would get a brand new interior?
There are sites that track DL's aircraft mods down to the specific tail number and you somehow manage to know what to expect on Ethiopian by aircraft type but can't figure out where DL is in in the refurb progress for its aircraft?
Do you truly love to gamble so you can be offended when you don't get what you expected or are you really just bad with math?
Serious question #2
How do you and others reconcile the fact that there are objective large-scale reviews of airline services and DL's premium products consistently rank higher than its direct US competitors? Of course, it would put you out of business if you acknowledged that DL's premium cabin service rates much higher by hundreds of evaluators than AA or UA's.
Have you truly not figured out that the average passenger is not swayed by anecdotal accounts when there are clear facts that everyone that is interested in objective measures of airline service knows?
The Egyptians won. They aren't the least bit interested in having foreigners come in and tell them what is wrong w/ their country. How long have you been alive that you haven't figured out basic principles of human civilization? And I have been in Egypt including at CAI recently. It was as I expected; they didn't promise fancy terminals like SIN but everything worked not much differently than it does at ORD or LGA or FRA.
Good thing for you is that the US and US airlines aren't going to blacklist you. If you want to keep writing about them, they will always sell you a ticket even if you seem incapable of putting 2 plus 2 together and instead rehash something that you just wrote about a few months ago.
This response is unhinged lmao
Where are these "objective large-scale reviews"? How can a review (not a spec-comparison, e.g. of seat pitch and width) be objective? Ben has widely acknowledged that DL on the whole is a cut above UA and AA but obviously not in 737 First Class which is the subject of this post. The refurbishment thing means nothing to a traveler right now who is paying for a First Class ticket and receiving this outdated product.
Where are these "objective large-scale reviews"? How can a review (not a spec-comparison, e.g. of seat pitch and width) be objective? Ben has widely acknowledged that DL on the whole is a cut above UA and AA but obviously not in 737 First Class which is the subject of this post. The refurbishment thing means nothing to a traveler right now who is paying for a First Class ticket and receiving this outdated product.
Ben neither loves to gamble, nor be offended, nor is he bad at math. Next question please. It's my turn.
Serious question #1, Tim.
Are you a virgin?
Serious question #2, Tim.
What is your mental healthcare regimen? Have you discussed your internet posting habits with your providers?
Serious question #3, Tim.
Have you designated yourself an organ donor? Your brain specimen may be invaluable for future research on autism spectrum.
Question #1...No, because I'm here!
Question #2...the sooner you learn that he is NEVER wrong, and everyone else is NEVER right, the better off we all will be.
Question #3...why bother? Daddy's favorite movie character is the Scarecrow from Wizard of Oz! He also closely identifies with that Lion fellow.
This response is truly odd. It's a review. Of a Delta flight. Right now. So some passengers can indeed expect this level of grime, bad TVs and uncomfy seats.
Yes, Delta may, overall, have better reviews from passengers. So what? Ben reviews many Delta flights - some good, some bad. They are reflective of the Delta experience the average passenger may get. Honestly, just chill.
Have you tried therapy? This is not a normal reaction to have. I hope you get the help you need.
sorry, but Ben proved with the posts of his Egypt experiences that people largely follow.
I am not one of the followers in anything.
I think for myself. I don't need therapy.
To Ben's credit, he tolerates dissension. It is just surprising that he thinks that speaking your mind is welcome around the world just because he - and others such as me - do it in the US and other parts...
sorry, but Ben proved with the posts of his Egypt experiences that people largely follow.
I am not one of the followers in anything.
I think for myself. I don't need therapy.
To Ben's credit, he tolerates dissension. It is just surprising that he thinks that speaking your mind is welcome around the world just because he - and others such as me - do it in the US and other parts of the west.
As to this review, some of the points above are precisely my point. When a person repeatedly reviews the same thing and they manage to see things differently than a larger universe does on a macro basis, then you have to wonder why that person fails to see what other people see.
It is no surprise that DL's 738s have a dated product; they know that and are updating it.
Ben chose to take a flight and then review it when it was clear before he ever set foot on the plane what type of interior he had.
If Ben can run around the world to chase a specific interior on Ethiopian - which is far less transparent about their fleet than DL, it is very reasonable to ask the question as to why Ben continued with the review instead of just saying "yep, same aircraft type I reviewed a couple months ago and I still have bad luck in getting one of the updated aircraft"
as for the onboard service, with 25K FAs +/- on each of the big 4, it is a given that there will be highs and there will be lows.
and yet, I can't think of a single DL review that Ben has reviewed in which he said "this was an outstanding crew - no wonder DL is at the top of so many service lists"
DL's service isn't at or near the top of the industry because of its on-time. that's just a fact.
and anyone that plays on the internet and is unable to find JD Power or unaware that they do the type of customer service measurements across all industries should take some time out to do real research
oh Tim... you don't disappoint. You are truly unhinged. And you're going to point to paid JD Power reviews? Really? You must be the only person unaware that those are paid. Of course Delta has great product oftentimes. I personally haven't found delta first class to be a cut above United or AA but Delta is also incredibly inconvenient for me and their network is pretty useless to me so I only fly them first class 2-3x per year.
Take some meds and get a club soda.
I could be wrong, but it looks like Delta is using Aeromexico cutlery and Aeromexico serviceware. What's pictured is NOT the Alessi cutlery and serviceware.
Before the pandemic, some of the "business-class" routes to Latin America and the Caribbean out of Atlanta had printed menus and pillows/brankets.
I thought I read somewhere that Delta's 757 service to Colombia is now being branded as premium-economy, not business and not first. Similar to the 757s going to...
I could be wrong, but it looks like Delta is using Aeromexico cutlery and Aeromexico serviceware. What's pictured is NOT the Alessi cutlery and serviceware.
Before the pandemic, some of the "business-class" routes to Latin America and the Caribbean out of Atlanta had printed menus and pillows/brankets.
I thought I read somewhere that Delta's 757 service to Colombia is now being branded as premium-economy, not business and not first. Similar to the 757s going to Iceland, Shannon and Gatwick.
What, no TimmyTirade yet?
Daddy responded PERFECTLY above with his opinion based facts that are NEVER wrong. Numbers or data? He never needs them...his made-up opinions about the world's #1 PREMIUM airline are immaculate!
Just a note, there are actually three different interiors for the Delta 737-800s at the moment. You definitely got the worst of them. These are being refreshed with the newest first class seats, and a few of those planes are flying right now. There are also some of the 800's somewhere in the middle of those two, with the old seats, but with better (larger and newer) entertainment screens.
Hey Ben! I like this post. Delta really should update the interiors, but that costs money $$$. And why spend the money, when people will fly it anyway. Also, Delta's 737-800 are old, so they will be retired after their next retrofit. ANYONE AGREE??
"And why spend the money, when people will fly it anyway." You summed up the entire airline industry in the US, in one sentence.
I read somewhere that around 75% of that fleet have been updated with new interiors already and the rest of the fleet should be done within 6 months or so.
Good review, and what I expect from DL.
Just as an FYI, that picture of the airport from high up is NOT MEX airport, where you landed. i"m pretty sure it's the new airport that the previous president had built, which is very very far from the city itself. It's NLU airport. MEX was supposed to close down and they had started building a new replacement airport immediately to the north of it. You can...
Good review, and what I expect from DL.
Just as an FYI, that picture of the airport from high up is NOT MEX airport, where you landed. i"m pretty sure it's the new airport that the previous president had built, which is very very far from the city itself. It's NLU airport. MEX was supposed to close down and they had started building a new replacement airport immediately to the north of it. You can see the taxiways and much of the airport when you take off from MEX. Instead, the president of Mexico had that project stopped, flooded the grounds so it could never be developed, and had NLU developed and opened, which is what you took a picture of. You can read a lot about it everywhere online - tons of information.
@ Jason -- Whoops, good catch about the airport, thanks! Updating post to update that.
You're right that is NLU! just look at google maps and you can see it clearly
What a JV will do to these sorts of routes. Case in point:
I flew this route a week ago, round trip, and it was horrible.
Returning I was on one of the ancient 738's with the tiny screens, non-existent wifi, flight tracker and IFE.
Only upside was arriving terminal F mid-day it was a ghost town. Gate F02, through GE and in my car in 11 minutes. Of course none of this can be attributed to DL.
The FA's, for the most part, were apathetic and disengaged.
"The FA's, for the most part, were apathetic and disengaged."
Welcome to flying in the United States...
Everyone knows what's coming...
Yep, my daddy will be along shortly, as soon as he showers off his latest layer of Ed Bastian's ectoplasm...