FAA Extends Cockpit Voice Recorder Rule To 25 Hours, Despite Pilot Pushback

For a few years now, regulators in the United States have been proposing a common sense change that would make it easier to investigate aircraft incidents and accidents (and in turn, make flying safer). While there has been quite a bit of pushback from pilots, there’s some good news, as this change will finally be implemented.

Cockpit voice recorder will start recording 12.5x longer

One of the reasons that aviation is so safe is because we learn so much from every incident, to prevent something similar from happening in the future. This is largely thanks to flight data recorders (which paint a picture of the aircraft’s performance prior to an incident) and cockpit voice recorders (so that investigators can hear what the communication was like in the cockpit prior to an incident).

One major challenge with cockpit voice recorders is that they only record for two hours. If you have an accident and the plane can’t fly again, then you have the last two hours of communication. Meanwhile if an incident occurs but the plane can still fly, that data will pretty quickly disappear.

Back in 2023, the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) proposed extending the cockpit voice recording requirement to 25 hours. The FAA had pledged to take action on this issue following the Safety Summit in March 2023, during which more than 200 safety leaders met to discuss ways to enhance flight safety.

As it was described by former FAA Administrator Mike Whitaker, “this rule will give us substantially more data to identify the causes of incidents and help prevent them in the future.” Regulators say that there have been over a dozen incidents since 2003 where investigators would have benefited from being able to hear recordings, but couldn’t, due to the two-hour limit.

After a drawn out process, a rule has finally been issued on this, and the requirement will be implemented. This aligns regulations in the United States with regulations set by the International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO) and European Union Aviation Safety Agency (EASA).

The new 25-hour cockpit voice recorder requirement applies to all newly manufactured aircraft as of 2027, and also has to be retrofitted on existing passenger aircraft by 2030.

Extending the cockpit voice recorder requirement is logical

Pilots have broadly been opposed to this change

To me this seems like a common sense change. If we agree that a cockpit voice recorder contains useful information, then isn’t it more useful to be able to hear what happened for a longer period of time? Many incidents aren’t reported immediately, or happen at the beginning of the flight, so the data never gets recovered.

For example, in 2023, when an American 777 taxied onto an active runway at JFK and caused a near disaster, the conversation in the cockpit couldn’t be recovered, since the aircraft continued its flight. Furthermore, the pilots weren’t exactly being cooperative in complying with what regulators had asked. After all, pilots are typically looking out for themselves and their careers.

This change got some pushback from unions representing pilots, specifically surrounding privacy. For example, the Air Line Pilots Association (ALPA), the largest union representing pilots, had expressed the following concerns when this was proposed:

“Current law requires the NTSB to protect the privacy of the data contained on the flight deck voice recordings, but does not prevent airlines or others from disclosing that information, and additional safeguards need to be put into place to keep them from doing so. The pilot community does have concerns about whether the information could be publicly released.”

I find this argument to be a little strange:

  • Why would an airline release the transcripts of cockpit voice recorders publicly, beyond what’s vital to an investigation?
  • Pilots are very well paid professionals flying aircraft worth $100+ million, with hundreds of lives in their hands, and they have specific procedures to follow; just as police officers have body cameras, it’s useful to be able to get a full picture of what happened when things do go wrong
  • I see some pilots essentially arguing that aviation in the United States is so safe, and we don’t need any changes to these procedures; pilots also often argue that we need changes to crew rest rules surrounding fatigue, so should we dismiss those concerns because flying is already so safe, and there’s no need to improve?

Honestly, I think it’s pretty clear why some pilots object to this — if things do go wrong, they don’t want investigators being able to listen to what they were saying leading up to the incident. While most pilots are professionals and do a great job keeping us safe, transcripts from cockpit voice recorders often have some shocking conversations.

But understanding the mindset of what pilots were talking about and how their communication was throughout a flight can also help improve aviation safety when things do go wrong.

On a related note, we really also need cockpit video recorders, which is something that the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) has been calling for, but which the pilot community has opposed. I don’t think the need for these has ever been clearer than now, following last year’s mysterious crash of Air India flight AI171, which lost all power after takeoff.

It’s widely believed that the captain intentionally cut all power to the engines moments after takeoff, while others argue it was a catastrophic failure. You know what settle this in a split second? A cockpit video recorder…

Many pilots oppose this cockpit voice recorder rule change

Bottom line

After talking about it for years, the FAA has finalized a rule to increase the recording period for cockpit voice recorders from two hours to 25 hours. This follows a series of incidents where being able to analyze the cockpit voice recorder would have been useful.

It’s nice to see this finally become a reality, because there’s simply no reason that investigators shouldn’t get as much information as they can when something goes wrong. I hope they also move forward with their cockpit video recorder concept, as I’d love to see anyone make a case against that in light of the AI171 incident.

What do you make of the recording period for the cockpit voice recorder being extended?

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Eric Paul Guest

Two hours is already overkill. When voice reorders were proposed in the mid 60's and became required in 1967 they only recorded 30 minutes which was all that's needed. We were promised it was for accident investigation only and would never be released to the public. Now it's in the news the next day. Pilots are entitled to private conversations in the workplace same as anybody else. No crew is going to be in the same cockpit for 25 hours. 25 hours would include multiple crews. How is recording the conversation of crews that flew the airplane two or three days ago going to help an investigation? Police have body cams but they only turn them on when needed. Their every word in the workplace is not recorded. Two hours is more than adequate for any accident. When you have a hammer in your hand everything looks like a nail! Stick with two hours!

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Panthers fan Guest

Is it just me or me or do we get another datapoint on why pilot and police unions should be outlawed every week or so. If US pilots are so upset they should just go fly for European or ME carriers, whose pilots they’ve blocked from flying here.

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30 West Guest

As usual the blogger and almost everyone on this thread is wrong as to the why the unions do not want changes to the rules. The problem is most the people on this blog are not aviation nor legal professionals or have dealt with accidents. Unfortunately you view things thru a lens of an US based amateur aviation enthusiast except for Tim who thinks he’s an expert in all matters, which he is not. The issue is most pilots and their unions are worried about the release of the “actual recording” , they do not want their families hearing their death on a recording because the accident occurs in another country where the laws are not like the USA and pilots are guilty until proven innocent. The foreign country will use the recording on their behalf to make the pilots look bad and their own country to be seen in a better light by the world. The longer the recording the more data to smear the pilots in the eyes of the public, it has happened before and it will happen again. There is the truth.

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Mile high mike Guest

What if a pilot decides to join the mile high club with one of the stewardess? The pilots don't want the FAA to hear all that ?? The 25 hr recorder just isn't fair !!

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G. Carter Guest

Once the aircraft is on autopilot, conversations about what they did over the weekend is no one's business except the one you share it with. With that being said, if its inappropriate about where someone went and what they did, you wouldn't be telling about it anyway. As professionals, it should always be kept professional. Pilots are still in their office environment until the leg is thru. Its the same concept as using the computer; If you dont want anyone to know something, stay off the computer! If you want to keep something private, dont tell anyone!

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