My Theory On How Marriott Will Handle Existing Travel Packages

Marriott’s new loyalty program will kick in at some point in August. It could be August 1, or could be August 31. So we’re potentially just over a week from a new program being introduced.

For those of us who want to maximize our existing balance of points, one big question is how Marriott will handle existing Travel Packages. I promised I’d keep you guys updated about my strategy with these, so here are my thoughts at this point.

The Marriott Travel Packages question

Just over a week ago I wrote a post about how we still don’t know how Marriott will handle existing Travel Packages. If you have no clue what I’m talking about, check out the previous post. To briefly summarize:

For example, here’s one of the options for Marriott Travel Packages:

Possible Marriott Travel Package outcomes

I think the following are the most likely outcomes for Marriott Travel Packages being converted:

  • Marriott could honor existing certificates, and transfer over the award levels generously; in other words, a Category 1-5 certificate might still be valid at the new Category 1-5 hotels, which includes a lot more properties
  • Marriott could honor existing certificates, and transfer over the award levels less generously; in other words, a Category 1-5 certificate might only be valid at a Category 1-3 or Category 1-4 property
  • Marriott may just award members points and invalidate the issued certificates, due to the program changes; the question is how many points they’d award

Perhaps the best indicator of how they’ll handle this is based on how they’re handling the conversion of other free night certificates:

  • The Marriott Premier Business Card is going from offering a free night certificate valid at Category 1-5 hotels to offering a certificate valid at hotels costing up to 35,000 points per night (which is a Category 5 hotel in standard season)
  • The Marriott Premier Plus Personal Card is new, and is offering a free night certificate valid at hotels costing up to 35,000 points per night (again, equivalent to a Category 5 hotel in standard season)
  • The old Marriott Premier Card (no longer open to new applicants) is going from offering a free night certificate valid at Category 1-5 hotel to offering a certificate valid at hotels costing up to 25,000 points per night (which is a Category 4 property in standard season); this is the only certificate that’s being devalued, and I suspect that’s because the card is no longer open to new applicants and they want to encourage people to upgrade the card

My theory as to what will happen

I’ve asked Marriott representatives repeatedly about how these certificates will be handled, and they still don’t know, and also don’t have a timeline for when they will know. I know they’re working through a lot of things, yet the new program is potentially just over a week away.

However, I can’t imagine they haven’t actually decided how they’ll handle these certificates, given that the program is almost here, and given that they’ve decided how they’ll handle all the other certificates.

Generally speaking Marriott has done a good job communicating with members and being fair with the transition (at least when you consider the scale of what they’re doing), which leads me to the only possible outcome I see: Marriott intentionally isn’t telling people how existing Travel Package certificates will convert, since they plan on being generous, and they want to minimize the number of people redeeming.

That sort of makes sense when you think about it. I think there’s only one “fair” thing for Marriott to do here, and that’s to have the certificates convert at a reasonable amount. If they didn’t do that, there would be a lot of backlash, and also anger about the lack of communication.

At the same time, obviously they don’t want to encourage everyone to redeem their full balance of points now under this spectacular deal, so I get why they’re not wanting to communicate this in advance. Travel Packages are already the best use of Marriott points, and if they convert favorably, booking them is even more of a no brainer.

If they announced that existing Travel Packages would be honored in the same category as now, you can bet people would be redeeming literally hundreds of millions of points. That’s a big expense for them, especially since they’re presumably directly paying for the airline miles.

It’s possible that I have a completely wrong read on the situation, and that they screw everyone over. Please don’t book a Travel Package based purely on my perspective. But I have a lot of points at stake, and I’m going to be using that assumption when redeeming points.

How generous will Marriott be?

As a reminder, here’s Marriott’s new award chart (keep in mind they won’t add Category 8 or peak and off-peak pricing until 2019):

My inclination is that Marriott will do a direct category conversion, which is to say that a Category 1-5 certificate will continue to be valid at Categories 1-5. That would be very generous.

I also don’t think it would be unreasonable for them to downgrade each certificate by one category, meaning a Category 1-5 certificate would be valid at Categories 1-4 going forward. But personally I think anything less than that would be stingy and unfair.

So, with this in mind, I’ll share what I plan on doing with my points in a subsequent post, since I’m sitting on a lot of Starpoints.

What’s your take on how Marriott will handle Travel Packages?

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fippli Guest

Thanks Nate Nate.... you were right...I have called back and they are now sorting it out... fingers crossed..

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Nate Nate Guest

@Fippli, did you order a 200k MR package (category 1-5 + 55k UA miles)? That is what it looks like. If you meant to order the 132k UA miles package, you should call back and confirm.

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fippli Guest

Hi, I just ordered a travel package yesterday. It shows like this in my Marriot Account: 7 Night Travel Package Category 1-5 Hotels 07/24/2018, Ordered -200,000 Rewards Airline Miles (UA) have not been credited yet... Are the 200'000 Rewards points an indication of the points to be refunded? Regards

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Nate Nate Guest

Lucky, how is that follow up post coming along?

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James Guest

@Blue, I am not walking anything back, what I said here is what I have said elsewhere. My stand has not changed and will not change. The residual value of current Cat 1-5 certificate is 45K. Like it or not, that is the truth, a known. If you choose to believe that a Cat 1-5 is worth 150K unrestricted points in the new program you are just being illogical. You call it fearmongering, I call it analytics. I enjoy following Lucky's posts and generally he is excellent in analyzing and valuing miles & points so I find it quite different and a little shocking that he has thrown out the "valuation" totally and feels a conversion of a Cat 1-5 to a new Cat 1-4 (same number of points) as being stingy. I anticipate you have Cat 7 floaters and are giddy with excitement in anticipation of booking your week-long stays at the new Cat 7 level. Good luck with that. I wish you luck. The current valuation of a Marriott point is 0.9 cents, SPG Starpoint 2.7 cents according to one blogger. Lucky, feel free to chime in here. It makes sense with the 3 to 1 conversion MR->SPG now. In SPG an airline FF Mile is a 1:1 redemption with 5K bonus with each 20K converted. If I have 90,000 Starpoints I can get 50K airline FF miles with 40K SPG and still have 50K SPG for hotel nights. With a value of 2.7 cents per starpoint we are buying FF miles at 2.7 cents each (2.16 cents with bonus) AS sells unbonused miles at 2.7 cents, bonused at 1.93 cents If I transfer 50K SPG to MR at 3:1 for unrestricted use I will have 150K MR for hotels. All things equal, the 40K SPG conversion to 120K MR should buy 50K airline FF miles. In the new program, that is exactly what it does. Yet, you are trying to convince me that 40K SPG is worth 120K airline FF miles after a simple conversion. Have you really convinced yourself that somehow a 2.16 cent FF mile can now be bought for 0.9 cents? That is exactly what you are telling everyone if you believe your Cat 1-5 certificate is worth 150K unrestricted points. Even if Marriott can purchase airline miles at a 60% discount (1.08 cents) it just doesn't add up. We know the residual value of a Cat 1-5 is 45K. In reality, you have paid 225K for your airline FF miles (1.875 cents per mile) and your certificate has a redemptive value of 7 nights in a Cat 1-5 hotel. Can you distinguish between the certificate value (45K) and the redemptive value (up to 150K)? If the certificate expires, it is worthless, if you can't use it and cancel the certificate you get the 45K certificate value returned to you. If Marriott chooses to cancel all floater certificates then Cat 1-5 are worth 45K, Cat 6, 75K, Cat 7, 105K..... and it is more likely an option than matching Category for Category. Why do you feel you are owed more value in the new program? If a Cat 1-5 converts to a new Cat 1-5 you would then be able to book many old Cat 8 Marriotts. That is equivalent to tossing you a 60K MR bone! Good boy! Fetch! A new Cat 1-4 is equivalent in points and properties. Getting back to Lucky's comment, I don't see this as being stingy. Another aspect one needs to consider is not just how many floaters there will be but also what categories they are. If Marriott determines that 85% of the floaters are Cat 1-5 it will be extremely unlikely they will throw everyone a 60K bone when they can convert them to a Cat 1-4 and only have to deal with the 15% that have higher value certificates. If, as per the Lurker, floaters are converted to points just remember that there was no mention of how many points. You know my thoughts, I will leave you to yours. I could totally be wrong but numbers are more accurate than emotions. Attached certificates are tangible redemptions of value, a floater could continue to float, take flight or sink. Just be happy with your decision. If it doesn't go the way you anticipate and you feel any anger, resentment or regret then know your decision wasn't well thought out and emotion (greed!) prevailed. My Cat 8 certificate is attached with a redemption value of $2100 USD. What happens next month, I don't really care one way or the other. Should the opportunity present itself, I won't be rushing to book Bora Bora or the Maldives. I doubt there will be more than one room available any given week and the room will be available every day of the week except Wednesdays & Sundays. lol ;) James

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