Do Flights Get Emptier Than This?

As of this Thursday, Hainan Airlines will begin 3x weekly flights between Los Angeles and Changsha, China. Hainan Airlines is the Beijing-based Skytrax 5-star airline, though I think Skytrax may have been a bit generous with that assessment.

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Hainan Airlines 787

Hainan had some amazing introductory fares on the route, of just $560 roundtrip in economy class, or ~$1,350 roundtrip in business class. That was enough for me to jump on the fare, as I’ve always wanted to review Hainan Airlines… and I’ll be picking up a good number of Alaska Mileage Plan miles in the process.

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Hainan Airlines 787 business class

So I think the question 90% of people had with this route announcement was “what is Changsha?” and “of all places in China, why would they fly there?”

Well, China has quite a few state run airlines, and they have a policy where each longhaul international route can only be operated by a single airline. Air China flies from Los Angeles to Beijing, China Southern flies from Los Angeles to Guangzhou, and China Eastern flies from Los Angeles to Shanghai, Nanjing, and Chengdu. Hainan wanted to fly to Los Angeles, so that left Changsha, apparently.

I’m not sure where exactly the demand for that flight is coming from, though it seems like Changsha is a market which is expecting a lot of growth in the future, and Hainan is trying to get in on the route before a competitor does. If Starwood’s presence in Changsha is any indicator, they presently have a single property, with eight more under construction. At the same time, with China you never know whether an increase in demand is “real” or “artificial.”

Which brings me to Hainan’s flight. Where is the demand for this Los Angeles to Changsha flight coming from? It seems I’m not the only one to wonder. While seatmaps are never a perfectly accurate indicator of how full a flight is, the seatmaps for my upcoming flights have to be the emptiest I’ve ever seen on an international flight. I’m flying in the next couple of weeks, and here’s the seatmap for my outbound flight, via ExpertFlyer:

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That’s right, there are three assigned seats in business class, and six assigned seats in economy.

Here’s the seatmap for the return flight:

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This one has a much more impressive load, as more than three times as many seats are occupied on the seatmap. 😉 Unfortunately for Hainan, that still only translates to five seats assigned in business class, and 20 seats assigned in economy.

Like I said, seatmaps aren’t a 100% accurate indicator of availability, though Hainan does let both business & economy passengers assign seats in advance. So I suspect the above represents a vast majority of booked passengers.

I’ve been on a lot of fairly empty international flights in my life (and have many times had the entire first class cabin to myself), but something tells me the outbound flight will be the emptiest ever, possibly with more crew than passengers.

Anyone else book this Los Angeles to Changsha flight, and find their flight this empty as well?

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Paul Thompson Guest

It’s nice to read about your experience with the Beijing-based, Hainan Airlines. It’s really going to be helpful especially for those who are planning to take this airline. The information in the post has been elaborated in a very wonderful manner. And the best portion is about the introductory offers by the Hainan Airlines, which is a good to know information.

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welltravbrit Guest

The emptiest flight we took was a flight into Ashgabat, Turkmenistan on Lufthansa, flying out of Frankfurt. We stopped in Azerbaijan on the way there and almost everyone got off. It was crazy there were two of us left in business and a couple of people in economy and it was a large plane! Apparently there were plans to cancel the Baku-Ashgabat segment in the next few months. The flight was surreal but then Ashgabat is pretty surreal anyway!

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TheTruthIs Guest

Thanks Lucky, We bought two Business Class tickets to LAX-CSX-LAX yesterday leaving February 2 and returning February 15. We'll spend 72 hours under new 72 hour visa waiver begun January 1, 2016 to see new city for us then head to BKK. We usually take AA 1st class, using points to PEK or PVG (two cities we like to spend 72 hours in transit, also CAN) then on to other warmer parts of SE Asia during the winter months. We've never flown Hainan and look forward to the trip and exploring a new Chinese city. The price was right! Thanks again.

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Al Guest

Strangely, the entire 2 front rows in biz class cabin are taken on both flights. Might they be actually comped seats given to reporters, blogger, etc. for free??

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CHINESE GOVERNMENT Guest

U should wether turn down this post or this will raise serious issue on your point of view upon the asia pacific market also future development ,the alternative could be and more reasonably to to be that you apologise for this and showing respect also the seriousness of your future post !

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