Do You Follow Airline Electronic Device Policies? A Pilot Just Called Me Out…

There are two parts to this post, addressing this topic in general, and then sharing my specific experience from today. Let’s start with a question reader Atul posed in the Ask Lucky forum:

What is the most appropriate action one should take if a fellow passenger switches on his cell phone in cellular mode 5 mins before landing?

Fortunately airlines have largely liberalized their electronic device policies as of a couple of years ago, when the FAA changed their stance on the topic. Prior to that you couldn’t use electronic devices during taxi, takeoff, and landing, even in airplane mode. It’s ridiculous it took so long for that to happen, since an electronic device in “airplane mode” has never posed a threat to the safety of a plane.

Now the challenge is for flight attendants to “police” which phones aren’t in airplane mode during taxi, takeoff, and landing.

When the policy was first changed I found that flight attendants were pretty vigilant in trying to look at peoples’ cell phones and see whether the “airplane mode” symbol was visible. However, over time I’ve found that they care less, and for the most part don’t bother checking anymore.

Do you put your phone in airplane mode when you’re supposed to?

To be perfectly honest, when I’m flying on a US carrier I’ll typically only put my phone in airplane mode after takeoff when the phone loses its signal, and also do sometimes turn it on a minute or two before landing.

To answer Atul’s question, I personally wouldn’t say anything, or perhaps more accurately, I wouldn’t look at someone else’s phone to begin with.

I’m curious about what you guys do, though. Based on my observations, it seems like a vast majority of people don’t put their phone in airplane mode when the door closes. Do you?

A pilot called me out today for using electronics…

Not all aviation authorities allow the use of electronic devices in airplane mode during taxi, takeoff, and landing. A while back I wrote about how Chinese airlines don’t allow cell phones in general. But they’re not alone in having outdated rules.

Last night I flew from Frankfurt to Johannesburg on a South African Airways A340-600s,  and this morning I flew from Johannesburg to Cape Town on an A319.

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South African Airways doesn’t let you use any electronic devices during taxi, takeoff, and landing, even if they’re in airplane mode (which I believe is dictated by the country’s aviation authority). Obviously a cell phone in airplane mode doesn’t pose any risk to a plane, but I guess they just haven’t gotten around to updating their policy.

However, I had no issues using my iPhone to take pictures during taxi, takeoff, and landing on my longhaul flight yesterday.

Fast forward to my flight to Cape Town this morning, where I was seated in business class. The seat next to me was empty, and a pilot in uniform was seated on the opposite window.

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During our taxi out my phone was in airplane mode and I was taking some pictures. Out of nowhere the guy yells (with quite a rude tone) “you need to shut that off now, it’s a safety hazard.”

I wasn’t going to argue with him, though I’m not sure how much faith I have in a pilot who thinks an iPhone in airplane mode poses a risk to a plane. 😉 Yes, it’s a violation of a regulation, but does it actually pose a hazard? Of course I obeyed his instructions, but it was a damn shame, since there were some gorgeous views on approach into Cape Town. Instead the below image was the last one I was able to capture before we began our descent and devices had to be shut off…

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So… just how closely do you follow electronic device policies when flying?

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Adam Guest

I agree with lucky. If you've ever seen myth busters, where they bust common false myths or other studies, modern planes are shielded and so phones can't interfere. It's just it takes long for legislation to update. However although it doesn't pose a security risk, it still is impolite to the crew

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Kieran Guest

I wouldn't say the issue of handheld electronic devices is moot kevin (it's still a potential flying hazard), rather it's the civil aviation authorities accepting that the lesser of two evils (exactly because they know that more people are likely to flout the rules if they forced everyone to put their handhelds away into their pockets or purses). For those who *just can't live* if they are aren't playing with their devices 24/7, even during take-off and landing, they figure they have a better chance of at least getting them to turn off their transmitting modes (well, Lucky aside), the higher risk, than if they also forced them to be turned off and put away altogether to avoid the other lesser risks.

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Sean New Member

Most Accidents happen during Taxi and while aircraft is ascending or descending through 10000FT. Airlines would like to have your full attention during this period. they also like to reduce the potential of having a device fly through the cabin if for example during take off roll something happens and crew decides to abort the take off. If a passenger losses control of their device it can potentially hit someone else and cause bodily damage. However airlines traditionally have had an aversion to discussing onboard emergencies. They don't even show onboard movies that include an airline emergency so they came up with other excuses. At the beginning they were believable to general public, now many years later not so much. I personally like having my phone off for a few hours, I allows me to slip my electronic leash for a bit before it goes on.

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Kieran Guest

Using a handheld electronic device in airplane mode is not an RF hazard, but it is somewhat misleading to infer that means it poses no aircraft safety hazard. Aircraft risk is highest during take-off and landing (landing especially). A issue arising during these phases can have sudden and catastrophic impact. A sudden drop, lurch or impact can turn the iPhone in your hand into a flying projectile weapon (just like any other item made of hard materials, not secured, in the cabin is). Nobody would accuse me of being a mindless droid (I do speak up when harmful rules need to be challenged, even when others would seek not to rock the boat), and I have worked in the aviation industry for many years and am quite knowledgeable on the technical operations side, but I would not do as Lucky does and has acted here. I think Lucky is either kidding himself or being dishonest here too, in claiming that this post was not about him being shitty and doing some mud throwing at the pilot that told him off. Lucky, has, after all called this guy a jerk in the comments here. That doesn't sound like someone not fuming and throwing shade (and this is hardly the first post of this type from Lucky where he bitches about some slight while claiming there is nothing personal about it - sometimes he even has second thoughts abut these posts and deletes them, like he did on his recent Uber passenger rating bitch). > Lucky "he seemed like a jerk, so I had no interest in having any sort of a conversation with him." For me, however, this wasn't what concerned me. It was the revelation by Lucky that he routinely takes his phone out of airplane mode when the aircraft is on approach (when he thinks the signal is available really), and doesn't turn in airplane mode until "the phone loses it signal". Lucky, nobody is that important that they need to flout the instructions of aircrew to have airplane mode switched on, for take-off and landing. The experts you cite as to why taking photos on your airplane mode iPhone is fine, are the same ones saying keep your transmitting mode off until the aircraft is on the ground. RF risk may be low, but it's still an acknowledged increase in risk and it's no hardship for you to wait a couple of more minutes for your cell services. So while I have some sympathy to Lucky's desire to take photos on his flight and that he is right that his phone, in airplane mode, poses no RF risk, there is some justification for the SAA rule to put away your phone during take-off and landing (it's not completely risk free), and Lucky would have been seen as rude and arrogant by that pilot and the other aircrew for flouting (quite visibly given it was prominent enough for the pilot to notice) the safety directions they had advised him of. It just wasn't smart, and I think Lucky came off looking more of a jerk than he thinks the pilot is. Disagree with SAA's safety rules, sure, but if you are on their aircraft (and sitting across from one of the airline's pilots) it would have been more politic to at least be discrete if you are going to bend/break their safety rules.

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Falco Peregrinus Guest

Hey Lucky, Rules vary in different jurisdictions, you travel enough not to fall into the trap of thinking that FAA knows best because they're american. Heck, quite a few people in quite a few countries disagree with some laws in the US, but let's not go there. Look at the rules for aircraft window blinds: It is ok on US carriers (AA and Delta at least) to have them down for take-off and landing (or maybe there is a rule, but it is not enforced), but on quite a few other carriers they must absolutely be up so that passengers can see outside in case of an evacuation and thus avoid fire or any obstacle. Who is right on that one? I'm a very frequent flyer and certainly not prone to fear of flight, but that rule alone makes me weary of travelling on US carriers. Be well

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