Review: Lufthansa Allegris Business Class Airbus A350 (YVR-MUC)

Review: Lufthansa Allegris Business Class Airbus A350 (YVR-MUC)

FROM: YVR
TO: MUC
CABIN: Business
DATE: May 2024
REVIEW RATING:
SEAT MAP: A350-900 Allegris
BEN SAYS: Lufthansa's new A350 Allegris business class is revolutionary for the airline, with spacious seats, much improved tech, and an overall great cabin environment. However, the product isn't perfect, and in particular, I don't like the huge inconsistency between seating options.
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For the most anticipated segment of my Allegris round the world journey, I flew Lufthansa’s Airbus A350-900 Allegris business class on the 9hr20min flight from Vancouver (YVR) to Munich (MUC).

To say that I was anticipating this flight would be the understatement of the year. Actually, it would be the understatement of the past seven years, since that’s how long it was from when Lufthansa announced its Allegris business class, until it was actually in service. Experiencing Lufthansa Allegris was my main motivation for taking this trip, as I managed to find award availability on the second-ever passenger flight where this plane was in service.

So, after the long wait, how was Lufthansa Allegris business class? All things considered, the product exceeded my expectations. The Lufthansa Allegris seat was better than I was expecting, and it’s definitely a new era for Lufthansa.

Now, that doesn’t change the fact that I despise the inconsistency of the Allegris business class experience, as just about each passenger has a different experience. But for the seat I was able to book, I was really happy, and it’s a massive improvement over Lufthansa’s old business class. Let’s get into the review, and you’ll see what I mean…

How I booked my Lufthansa business class ticket

I booked this portion of my trip using Air Canada Aeroplan points. Specifically, I booked the following award in business class for 90,000 Air Canada Aeroplan points plus $88.24 in taxes and fees:

5/01 LH477 Vancouver to Munich departing 6:50PM arriving 1:30PM (+1 day)
5/02 MS788 Munich to Cairo departing 3:55PM arriving 8:40PM

Aeroplan points are easy to come by, as the program is transfer partners with Amex Membership RewardsBilt RewardsCapital One, and Chase Ultimate Rewards. On top of that, Aeroplan often sells points at a discount, and also has the Aeroplan® Credit Card (review), which is pretty lucrative.

Lufthansa business class lounge & boarding

I had a nearly seven hour layover in Vancouver, since I left a bit of a buffer, given that I was arriving the same day from Miami.

I first spent a few hours in the SkyTeam Lounge using Priority Pass, and then visited the Air Canada Maple Leaf Lounge, which is where Lufthansa sends its passengers (however, Air Canada only allows lounge access up to three hours before departure, unless connecting on a single itinerary, so I couldn’t access it earlier).

The Lufthansa flight was departing from gate D68, with boarding scheduled for 6:15PM, 35 minutes ahead of the scheduled 6:50PM departure. There were some gate festivities, and Lufthansa’s CEO was even on the flight, and I’ll talk a bit more about that at the end of this review.

Lufthansa Airbus A350 Vancouver Airport

Boarding started right on schedule, using Lufthansa’s group boarding system…

Lufthansa boarding gate Vancouver Airport

I can’t even begin to say how excited I was to board Lufthansa’s first Allegris jet, with the registration code D-AIXT. The plane even had a special decal by the door, which read “Hello Allegris.”

Lufthansa’s first Allegris Airbus A350

In the interest of full disclosure, there were some Lufthansa communications folks at the gate, and I asked about boarding a couple of minutes early to get some “clean” cabin pictures, which they granted. Let me again emphasize that I paid for my own ticket, and that was the extent of any special treatment I got.

Lufthansa A350 Allegris business class cabin & seats

Lufthansa’s Allegris Airbus A350s feature a total of 38 business class seats, spread across two cabins:

  • The forward cabin is between doors one and two, and features 20 business class seats, spread across five rows; the very front of the cabin is currently empty, but will eventually have Lufthansa’s new Allegris first class, which is delayed until at least late 2024
  • The rear cabin is behind the second set of doors, and features 18 business class seats, spread across five rows

Lufthansa claims that a unique selling point of Allegris is that the business class product is incredibly customized, with several different seating options (note that Lufthansa will soon start charging to assign all but the most basic seats).

While there’s some variability between seats in many modern business class products, the difference in experience between seats is massive. To provide a rundown of the five seating types in business class:

  • There are suites in the first row, which include both window seats and center seats
  • There are extra space seats, which are single seats in the center section
  • There are window seats with a high degree of privacy, which are the seats closest to the windows
  • There are seats with extra long beds, which are select center seats that are closer to the aisle
  • There are the classic business class seats, which are a majority of the seats that are closer to the aisle

Lufthansa’s Allegris business class is a staggered configuration, and it alternates between being in a 1-2-1 and 1-1-1 layout.

Lufthansa Allegris business class cabin A350
Lufthansa Allegris business class cabin A350

Let’s go over the various seats in the cabin. The most premium seats, no doubt, are the eight bulkhead seats, with four seats in the front of each cabin. Think of this as being a business class “plus” product, and frankly it’s probably one of the best out there, and almost more on par with what you’d expect in first class, in terms of personal space.

These seats have much higher walls around them, and even have privacy doors, which you won’t find in the rest of the cabin. The amount of personal space these seats offer is beyond impressive, and the seats also have a lot more storage than in the rest of the cabin. This is a mighty impressive product that’s worth paying extra for, in my opinion.

Lufthansa Allegris business class front row suite
Lufthansa Allegris business class front row suite
Lufthansa Allegris business class front row suite storage

If you’re traveling with someone, it’s tough to beat the front row suite pairs in the center section, as they offer a similar experience, though with the benefit of being able to enjoy a flight with someone else.

Lufthansa Allegris business class front row suites
Lufthansa Allegris business class front row suites
Lufthansa Allegris business class front row suites

Then throughout the rest of the cabin, you’ll find that the center section alternates between having two seats per row and having one seat per row. The single center seats (known as extra space seats) are unique, unlike anything else you’ll find on another airline. They’re sort of like “throne” seats on other airlines, except with an unbelievable amount of space.

I’d be curious to fly in one of these seats some day, as I can’t decide whether they’re amazing, or almost feel claustrophobic, given how little shoulder space there may be.

Lufthansa Allegris business class extra space seats
Lufthansa Allegris business class extra space seats
Lufthansa Allegris business class extra space seats
Lufthansa Allegris business class extra space seats

The center pair of seats are for the most part the standard classic seats, which would be the most basic kinds of business class seats. The exception is that the seat on one side of this pair typically has an extra long bed (specifically, the seats behind the single seats, which are on the side where the single seat doesn’t have access to the aisle).

Honestly, these classic seats are pretty “meh,” if you ask me, especially for a business class product only being introduced in 2024. It certainly doesn’t compare with some of the better business class experiences out there, in my opinion.

Lufthansa Allegris business class classic seats
Lufthansa Allegris business class classic seats

Then along the windows, seats are also in a staggered configuration, similar to what you’ll find on so many airlines.

Lufthansa Allegris business class seats

The seats closer to the aisle are categorized as classic seats, which are the most basic in the cabin, and they’re fine, but nothing special.

Lufthansa Allegris business class classic seat
Lufthansa Allegris business class classic seat

Last but not least are the window privacy seats, which are the window seats closer to the windows. This is the seat I ended up in — I was in seat 5A, the window seat on the left side in the fourth row of business class (business class starts at row two).

While many airlines have staggered configurations, I have to give Lufthansa credit for having the most spacious staggered window seat I’ve ever been in. I’m not sure if the picture does it justice, but the amount of personal space, and in particular, the amount of space between the seat and the monitor, is next level.

Lufthansa Allegris business class window privacy seat
Lufthansa Allegris business class window privacy seat
Lufthansa Allegris business class window privacy seat
Lufthansa Allegris business class window privacy seat

What exceeded my expectations with Lufthansa Allegris was the seat tech and features, especially when you consider that this seat was presumably designed nearly a decade ago, before the substantial delays.

To the side of the seat is an enclosed storage area, which is also where you can hang the headphones.

Lufthansa Allegris business class seat storage
Lufthansa Allegris business class seat storage

At the bottom of the compartment, you’ll find plenty of charging options, including AC power, USB-A, and USB-C outlets, as well as the headphone jack. There’s also an area on the side console for wireless charging.

Lufthansa Allegris business class seat charging

Lufthansa Allegris has a 10-inch tablet that’s used to control just about all of the seat’s features, and it’s also where you’ll find the reading light.

Lufthansa Allegris business class seat tablet

The customization possibilities with this tablet are impressive, as you can do everything from controlling the entertainment, to controlling the seat’s temperature, to doing bluetooth audio pairing. In particular, I loved the ability to control the seat’s temperature (the seat has cooling and heating, and it worked surprisingly well), and also to adjust the firmness of the seat.

Lufthansa Allegris business class seat tablet
Lufthansa Allegris business class seat tablet
Lufthansa Allegris business class seat tablet

These window seats have respectable 18-inch 4K monitors, which are such a huge improvement over Lufthansa’s old (awful) entertainment system.

Lufthansa Allegris business class seat entertainment screen

Immediately underneath the monitor, you’ll find the tray table, which has an unconventional design. If you push once, it extends out quite a bit.

Lufthansa Allegris business class seat tray table

However, that’s not really the full tray table. Instead, you can flip it over, and then you have the tray table. Despite how long it is, it’s very sturdy, and felt well designed. I think the length of the tray table really puts into perspective how much personal space this product offers.

Lufthansa Allegris business class seat tray table

While I’ll talk more about bed comfort later, the seat also has a large footwell, much larger than in many other products.

Lufthansa Allegris business class seat footwell

Just two other things to note regarding Lufthansa’s Allegris A350s. First of all, unfortunately Lufthansa doesn’t offer individual air nozzles on its brand new A350s. I don’t know why so many non-US airlines refuse to embrace the value of these, but…

Lufthansa Allegris A350 overhead console

Furthermore, Lufthansa’s new Allegris A350s have the “new production standard,” which means the cabin is marginally wider, and there are some other changes. With this, Airbus has introduced the concept of dimmable windows on the A350. Lufthansa elected not to introduce these, which I kind of appreciate.

Lufthansa Allegris A350 window shades

After waiting for so many years for the introduction of Lufthansa Allegris, what was my conclusion about the new seats? I’d say my impression was quite favorable overall, though a few things stood out to me:

  • To Lufthansa’s credit, the seats feel very sturdy and well built; that might sound like a strange observation, but sometimes you get into a new business class seat and feel like it’s wobbly and cheap, but that wasn’t the feeling I had here
  • I really like the Lufthansa Allegris tech, from the large tablet, to the great charging, to the bluetooth audio, to the ability to control seat temperature, to the 4K entertainment screen
  • I was surprised by just how different the quality is in seating throughout the cabin, and that makes it hard to manage expectations; the front row suites are incredible, and the true window seats are spacious, while the classic seats are quite underwhelming for a brand new business class product (and that’s the most common seat in this configuration)

Lufthansa business class amenities

While the hard product on this flight was brand new, the soft product was largely familiar, with a few modifications. Waiting at each seat upon boarding were a pillow and blanket. Lufthansa’s bedding is okay, but isn’t great, and I feel like it’s a cheap way Lufthansa could invest to improve its soft product.

Lufthansa business class pillow & blanket

There were also a pair of headphones at the seat, which were noise canceling and reasonably good quality.

Lufthansa business class headphones

In celebration of the launch of Allegris, Lufthansa is offering some limited edition amenity kits and reusable shopping bags (the most German thing ever).

Lufthansa business class amenity kit

The amenity kit almost looks like one of those Rimowa amenity kits from back in the day, only it’s not. Still, I like the design, and the kit contained socks, eyeshades, earplugs, a dental kit, a mint, and some L’Occitane toiletries.

Lufthansa business class amenity kit

Then there was a reusable shopping bag with the same colors as the Lufthansa Allegris cabin design. I guess I should start bringing this to Publix…

Lufthansa business class shopping bag
Lufthansa business class shopping bag

During boarding, menus for the flight were distributed.

Lufthansa business class menu

Pre-departure drinks were also offered, with the choice of water, orange juice, champagne, or an avionic apéritif. I chose the avionic cocktail, which is a special creation by the Ziegler distillery, and is “based on peach notes and wild meadow herbs,” mixed on ice with tonic. Lufthansa also recently started offering a bag of nuts with the pre-departure drink, which is a nice improvement, minor as it may be.

Lufthansa business class pre-departure drink & snack

Lufthansa A350 Allegris business class entertainment & Wi-Fi

Historically Lufthansa’s entertainment selection has been pitiful, both in terms of the quality of the screen, plus the variety of programming. This is where Allegris greatly improves the experience, thanks to a new 4K entertainment screen.

Lufthansa Allegris A350 business class entertainment

As an aviation geek, what I was most excited to see was a new map interface, plus a high definition tail camera. That’s all the entertainment I need!

Lufthansa Allegris A350 business class map feature
Lufthansa Allegris A350 business class tail camera

But even beyond that, the entertainment selection was better than before, with a better selection of movies, TV shows, and audio. Due to the system’s interface, it was kind of hard to figure out how many total programs there actually were, since some programs were included in multiple sections.

Lufthansa Allegris A350 business class entertainment
Lufthansa Allegris A350 business class entertainment
Lufthansa Allegris A350 business class entertainment
Lufthansa Allegris A350 business class entertainment

On top of that, Lufthansa has its FlyNet Wi-Fi service on the Allegris A350s. I appreciate the consistency with which Lufthansa offers Wi-Fi — it’s usable, but it’s not necessarily the fastest out there.

Lufthansa Allegris A350 Wi-Fi

As far as pricing goes, there were three plans available, all with no data restrictions:

  • For €5 you could purchase a messaging pass
  • For €15 you could purchase a two hour premium pass
  • For €25 you could purchase a full flight premium pass
Lufthansa Allegris A350 Wi-Fi pricing

Lufthansa A350 departure from Vancouver

The main cabin door closed right on schedule at 6:50PM, with a full business class cabin (in fairness, this included many Lufthansa staff, all the way up to the CEO).

Lufthansa Allegris A350 business class cabin

At this point the captain made his welcome aboard announcement, informing us of the flight time of 9hr20min, plus the anticipated punctual arrival. A few minutes later, we began our pushback, and then after that we began our taxi. At this point the safety video was screened.

Lufthansa A350 pushing back Vancouver Airport
Lufthansa A350 taxiing Vancouver Airport

At 7:15PM, we were cleared for takeoff on runway 26L. The weather was perfect this evening — is there anything more gorgeous than this?!

Lufthansa A350 after departing Vancouver Airport
Lufthansa A350 after departing Vancouver Airport
Lufthansa A350 after departing Vancouver Airport

The seatbelt sign was turned off about 10 minutes after takeoff.

Lufthansa business class dinner service

As you’d expect on an overnight transatlantic flight, dinner was served shortly after takeoff. You can find the menu and drink list for this flight below.

Lufthansa business class menu
Lufthansa business class drink list
Lufthansa business class drink list
Lufthansa business class drink list
Lufthansa business class drink list
Lufthansa business class drink list

Service was a bit slow to get started, which is totally fair, when you consider it was the crew’s first time flying this new aircraft, and there’s a bit of a learning curve. Warm towels were distributed around 40 minutes after takeoff.

Lufthansa business class dinner — warm towel

Shortly thereafter, tablecloths were distributed, and drinks were served. I ordered a glass of the Italian white wine, plus a sparkling water. Lufthansa now also offers a vegetarian amuse bouche in business class after takeoff. The airline used to offer nuts at this point, but now serves nuts before takeoff, so I appreciate this change. In this case, the amuse bouche was a little hummus with celery, carrots, and olives.

Lufthansa business class dinner — amuse bouche

Around 70 minutes after takeoff, the first course was served. There were three choices of starters, and I selected the sesame crusted ahi tuna with green soba salad and shiso dressing. That was served with a side salad that had shaved fennel and pistachios, and I was then offered a selection of bread.

Lufthansa business class dinner — appetizer & salad

Around 20 minutes later, the main course was served. Of the three choices, I selected the vegetarian option (see, I’m mixing things up!), which was the mezzaluna pasta with black olive and feta in vanilla green olive tomato sauce, with spinach, portobello mushrooms, kalamata olives, and shaved parmesan. For an airplane pasta dish, I thought it was quite good.

Lufthansa business class dinner — main course

Lastly, for dessert I was offered the choice of cheese, fruit, or ice cream (in my opinion it’s a bit cheap how Lufthansa’s only real dessert option is ice cream). I ordered the raspberry cheesecake gelato, which came packaged.

Lufthansa business class dinner — dessert

At the conclusion of the meal, boxed chocolates were served from DreiMeister.

Lufthansa business class dinner — chocolate

Lufthansa’s business class catering is totally fine but unmemorable. There was nothing wrong with the meal, but just nothing too excited about it either. I do appreciate the minor changes that Lufthansa has made, but I think there’s more work to be done.

It seems like a lot of airlines have invested in improving business class catering, while Lufthansa has done little to improve. Looking at major European airlines, I think both Air France and British Airways beat Lufthansa catering by a long shot.

Lufthansa A350 Allegris business class lavatories

At the conclusion of the meal, I checked out the lavatory. Lufthansa has two lavatories in its A350 Allegris business class, located by the second set of doors.

While the lavatories aren’t particularly spacious, they have a much more elegant design than before, including that the top of the toilet seat has a leather cover, so you can sit there, if you’d like. There wasn’t much in the way of special amenities, though, aside from some L’Occitane hand cream.

Lufthansa Allegris A350 business class lavatory
Lufthansa Allegris A350 business class lavatory

In the galley by the lavatories, there were also some packaged self-serve snacks available, should anyone be peckish.

Lufthansa business class snacks

Lufthansa A350 Allegris business class bed

At the conclusion of the meal, it was time to get some rest. Around this time, I was treated to a breathtaking sunset, as we were traveling over central, northern Canada, just west of Hudson Bay.

Lufthansa A350 wing enroute to Munich
Lufthansa A350 tail camera enroute to Munich
Lufthansa A350 map enroute to Munich

At this point I reclined my seat, and made my bed. In these privacy window seats, the bed comfort Lufthansa offers is phenomenal. I can’t overstate how spacious the seat feels, in particular thanks to the large footwell, so it’s great even for side sleepers.

Lufthansa Allegris A350 business class bed
Lufthansa Allegris A350 business class bed

I fell asleep almost immediately, with around seven hours remaining to Munich. I then woke up around 90 minutes before landing.

Lufthansa A350 map enroute to Munich

Lufthansa business class breakfast service

Just over an hour before landing, breakfast was served, and you can find the menu below.

Lufthansa business class menu

For breakfast, there were both hot and cold options. I selected the cold option, with the main course being bircher muesli with berries and mango, which was quite tasty. This came with a choice of bread (I selected a croissant), plus a small cheese plate.

Lufthansa business class breakfast

Lufthansa business class service

The crew working this flight was quite friendly, and I’d say pretty average for Lufthansa. In fairness, I won’t judge the service too much beyond that — the CEO was onboard, and it was also the crew’s first time flying a long haul flight on the Allegris A350.

I will say that they seemed to be pretty well trained on the cabin, as there wasn’t too much confusion among the crew about the seats, service protocol, etc.

Lufthansa A350 arrival in Munich

At 12:55PM, the first officer was on the PA to announce that we’d be landing in around 40 minutes. 10 minutes later, we began our descent, and then 20 minutes after that, the seatbelt sign was turned on. As always, the views approaching Munich were lovely.

Lufthansa A350 approaching Munich Airport
Lufthansa A350 approaching Munich Airport
Lufthansa A350 approaching Munich Airport

We touched down in Munich at 1:35PM, and then had a 10 minute taxi to our arrival gate, where we pulled in at 1:45PM. From there I briefly visited the Lufthansa Business Lounge, prior to my EgyptAir A320neo business class flight to Cairo.

Lufthansa A350 arriving at gate Munich Airport

Lufthansa Allegris festivities, and flying with the CEO

I figured I’d cover a few more things about this experience, since it was the second-ever long haul flight featuring Lufthansa’s Allegris product (the inbound flight from Munich to Vancouver was the first). Lufthansa CEO Jens Ritter (not to be confused with Lufthansa Group CEO Carsten Spohr) and Lufthansa Chief Commercial Officer Heiko Reitz were both on my flight.

They flew the inbound from Munich to Vancouver, which seemed to have a lot of media onboard, and then they turned right around to Munich. They were in the front row suites, and kept to themselves the whole flight.

I understand they had a long day given that they were doing a turnaround, but I always find it such a missed opportunity if executives don’t try to engage with passengers and get feedback, especially for a brand new product. They were friendly in their interactions with the crew, though.

There were also some more junior Lufthansa employees onboard, who were much more personable, and who I enjoyed briefly chatting with. In particular, I talked to one guy who was flying constantly on the Allegris jet for the foreseeable future, to keep an eye out for any kinks.

There was also a small gate party in Vancouver prior to the flight. Lufthansa Vice President of Passenger Sales for the Americas, Dirk Janzen, was at the gate, and gave a speech. He did a good job, but the whole thing was kind of funny, since the average person on this flight had no clue what Allegris was, and he tried to explain it.

They set up the podium right in front of some restaurant in the terminal, so suffice it to say that the people sitting there were kind of confused when the speech started (as you can tell, based on their reaction).

Lufthansa Allegris A350 gate party

There wasn’t any food or souvenirs at the gate, but instead Munich travel guides were handed out.

Lufthansa guide to Munich

Bottom line

After quite the wait, Lufthansa’s new Allegris business class is finally in service, which is an exciting development. I’ve gotta be honest, I had pretty low expectations of the new Allegris seat, given that it was designed almost a decade ago, and has been so many years late.

So in that sense, the product exceeded my expectation. The new Allegris seats feel sturdy, have phenomenal tech, and many of the seats in this cabin are among the most comfortable business class seats you’ll find. Compared to Lufthansa’s old business class, this is revolutionary, and not evolutionary.

That being said, Allegris isn’t perfect. For one, there’s huge variance in the quality of these seats. The front row suites and privacy seats are phenomenal, while the classic seats aren’t about to win any awards.

Furthermore, with the introduction of this product, we’re going to see the airline charging for most of these seating options. While Lufthansa markets how this product is intended to offer consumers endless choice, ironically the one thing missing is the ability to sit together as a pair, with the exception of the front row suites.

In conclusion, I’m thrilled that the Allegris product has finally been introduced, and am excited to see it expand to more aircraft. This is a long overdue development for Lufthansa, especially as European competitors have been aggressively improving their business class.

What’s your take on Lufthansa’s new Allegris business class?

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  1. S Diamond

    The variation between seats, to include surcharges for the better seats, after the long wait, is unacceptable IMO. The rollout continues to be a huge disappointment. Also agree the CEO not interacting at all is a bad look.

  2. SMC422 Guest

    While AF-KL’s new reverse herringbone seats may not be the *most* innovative, at least it’s mostly and somewhat consistent through most of the fleet and/ or it’s not a guessing game for the average traveler which seat to pick and pay up.

  3. Knw Guest

    Lufthansa continues being mediocre; Ben continues being effusive in his praise of them.

  4. Andy 11235 Guest

    A ticket where you pay thousands of dollars for "business class" and then get nickel-and-dimed a few hundred more to avoid sh!tty seats is a hard pass from me.

    1. DCAWABN Guest

      Exactly this. I literally said, "Meh...hard pass" as I was reading this quasi-circle-jerk of a review. Basically it boils down to "If you're willing to pay for one of the few slightly more decent seats, this is pretty on par with what's been out there for years." Yeah, no. Lots of other/better ways to get across the Atlantic for me.

      Plus, I hate when bloggers gush over a product that's only "(r)evolutionary" for that particular...

      Exactly this. I literally said, "Meh...hard pass" as I was reading this quasi-circle-jerk of a review. Basically it boils down to "If you're willing to pay for one of the few slightly more decent seats, this is pretty on par with what's been out there for years." Yeah, no. Lots of other/better ways to get across the Atlantic for me.

      Plus, I hate when bloggers gush over a product that's only "(r)evolutionary" for that particular airline but is just barely keeping up with industry standard. I get being happy that LH is doing SOMETHING to improve, but this is so lacklustre given how long we waited, all the fanfare, the Skytrax nonsense, etc.

  5. Mike Guest

    Note to all airlines - please don’t offer ice cream, in any class of service, unless you figure out a way for it not to be rock hard. Please don’t offer a cheese plate unless you figure out a way to serve it at a reasonable temperature.
    Can’t be too hard, and if it is- find other options.

    1. RichM Diamond

      Personally, I don't mind ice cream being rock hard, as it's usually perfectly fine to eat after 10 minutes or so. It's when they serve it already melted that is particularly disappointing.

  6. Mark Guest

    With that much adjustment to the seat available, it would be good if it produced a code once you'd got it just so that you could just plug in on the next flight so that seat would adopt your preferences, like memory seats in a car. Maybe there's too much variability in the seats for that to be ideal though.

  7. CapitalMike Member

    LH’s CEO plus colleague hiding in their suites for their flight should be the real headline here.
    Just compare this to NZ’s CEO serving drinks in Economy recently.
    They should at least have left the suites for revenue passengers…

  8. Marco Guest

    Why are all the dates showing Jun 23. I definitely recall you posting this before and there were comments when it was previously posted. I had bookmarked this thread earlier as I had put a comment of you walking down the air bridge as seen in another vloggers post which I see you removed my comment. Won't post it here again as you clearly did not wish that YouTube vloggers link to the video be posted here. Fair enough!

  9. lasdiner Guest

    Why would a paying flyer in business need a PhD in seatguru pr aerolopa to figure out where to seat. Theres nothing personalized in this mess of an offer.
    Food looks abysmal, btw. The name allegris seems just a mispell of some popular Latin word, formulated in some focus group for its resonant similarity to some ill understood popular Italian phonemes, like for the Kia Amanti or hyundai sonata, and other tragic names of...

    Why would a paying flyer in business need a PhD in seatguru pr aerolopa to figure out where to seat. Theres nothing personalized in this mess of an offer.
    Food looks abysmal, btw. The name allegris seems just a mispell of some popular Latin word, formulated in some focus group for its resonant similarity to some ill understood popular Italian phonemes, like for the Kia Amanti or hyundai sonata, and other tragic names of mid-range vehicles. Get a consistent business class product without footsie with the neighbors and without coffin cubby hole, call it business class and price it uniformly

    1. Unhoeflich Diamond

      More like Mazda Laputa. Pay up to pick your seat baby!

  10. Flieger Guest

    The AKG NC60 is my favorite noise cancelling headset. Been using it for many years now. It´s just so much more comfortable to wear than any other headset.

  11. LOA Member

    While I'm glad LH is finally upping their J hard product. The colors/materials chosen for this allegris seat looks awfully cheap and drab.

  12. Tim Dumdum Guest

    If there's such variety of seat options in a midsize business class, I am wondering how badly would LH screw handling seat assignments, which is a given. Are extra charges going to be dynamic? How about operational upgrades? I imagine a situation where a more expensive seat is unoccupied, but there is a passenger with an upgrade. Would it trigger a cascading upgrade? Would they move the "cheap" business seat passenger to a better one?

    If there's such variety of seat options in a midsize business class, I am wondering how badly would LH screw handling seat assignments, which is a given. Are extra charges going to be dynamic? How about operational upgrades? I imagine a situation where a more expensive seat is unoccupied, but there is a passenger with an upgrade. Would it trigger a cascading upgrade? Would they move the "cheap" business seat passenger to a better one?
    So many questions, and no answers

  13. E39 Member

    Is there a ranking of business class products purely in terms of bed amenities (duvet, mattress, privacy, etc) coming?

  14. CXP Gold

    The inconsistency in seating along with the fact that they‘ll charge extra for the nicer seats is a huge drawback and feels like being nickel and dimed after already spending a lot of money. Not good. For business travelers, companies won‘t allow expensing seat selection fees so you‘re stuck with the basic seats and have to stress out until checkin to see whether you‘ll get a better seat. Also not good. And while we don‘t...

    The inconsistency in seating along with the fact that they‘ll charge extra for the nicer seats is a huge drawback and feels like being nickel and dimed after already spending a lot of money. Not good. For business travelers, companies won‘t allow expensing seat selection fees so you‘re stuck with the basic seats and have to stress out until checkin to see whether you‘ll get a better seat. Also not good. And while we don‘t know how much they‘ll charge, if we go by what Swiss charges, it‘s likely going to be at least $200+ extra for a better seat (and even more for the much better ones). I agree with the commenter who said business class is all about simplicity and not being nickel and dimed, so this just doesn‘t feel good overall. But hey, better than what they have today I suppose (same goes for you Swiss and Austrian - time to get new seats).

  15. RF Diamond

    After so many years, Lufthansa's Allegris finally debuts and is a failure. There's too much variation in seats. Put in reverse herringbone seats and call it Allegris 2.0.

  16. UncleRonnie Diamond

    Shame Ben didn’t go up to the premier seats and ask the CEO for a selfie.

  17. Julia Guest

    Also:

    "The airline used to offer nuts at this point, but now serves nuts after takeoff"

    You mean before takeoff.

    "There were two choices of starters"

    Don't you mean three?

    "I think both Air France and British Airways beat Lufthansa catering by a long shot."

    Arguably, so do Austrian, SAS, ITA, and even Iberia.

  18. Julia Guest

    No reviews of the lounges?

    1. UncleRonnie Diamond

      Patience Julia, one new review per day.

    2. Julia Guest

      Lol ok, but you'd think the lounge reviews would come first...

  19. InceptionCat Gold

    Lieber Ben,
    you missed something major there. I flew the same plane to Toronto 2 days later and next to the snacks there's a 'bar' with soft drinks and wine. It is blueish. I flew the Business Suite so a slightly different experience.

    Also as reported by Traveldealz.de LH is currently offering a status match for SAS Eurobonus for up to LH Senator status. Your readers may have missed that.

  20. DCharlie Guest

    Lufthansa really needs an interior designer to put some flare into the cabin. It’s just such a boring cabin!!

  21. Phillip Diamond

    Lufthansa does a good job highlighting how great OneWorld elite recognition is across member airlines compared to Star. Lufthansa will only look after their own when it comes to elites benefiting from seat selection, but not wider alliance elites!

    1. Throwawayname Guest

      It's far from a consistent policy across oneworld - e.g. MH charge OWS elites for seat selection whereas BA don't.

    2. Phillip Diamond

      I was thinking OWE vs *Gold, but I didn’t specify.

    3. Udo Guest

      Not true re MH, I flew on them a few weeks ago, One World Emerald. We didn’t pay for seat selection, in fact status recognition was flawless throughout the trip.

  22. Michael_FFM Diamond

    This inconsistency in seating is just not good. There will be couples on the flights traveling in C, and for them it will be a mostly frustrating experience.

  23. Jake Guest

    Wonderful reviews, thanks!

    Really hate this. Business class is all about simplicity: no extra fees: no extra fees for bags, no extra fees for lounge, no extra fee for food, no extra fees for fast track, etc. This utterly complicates things and is repelling. And for the traveler on a business expense report, the basic seats (those with no extra fees, and the majority of seats) are just meh/uncompetitive, so really Lufthansa still doesn't offer...

    Wonderful reviews, thanks!

    Really hate this. Business class is all about simplicity: no extra fees: no extra fees for bags, no extra fees for lounge, no extra fee for food, no extra fees for fast track, etc. This utterly complicates things and is repelling. And for the traveler on a business expense report, the basic seats (those with no extra fees, and the majority of seats) are just meh/uncompetitive, so really Lufthansa still doesn't offer a competitive product. The fact that the CEO did not engaged with passengers explains much.

  24. Rico Gold

    The vodka and tequila are decent, but the bourbon and Scotch are bottom shelf and lower mid shelf respectively.

    1. TravelCat2 Diamond

      I'm often amazed about the low-end spirts offered in J by premium airlines. Does anyone have an explanation for this other than airlines saving money?

      I'm using "premium" here in a generic sense, not as a reference to a particular Atlanta-based airline.

    2. Chris Guest

      When you have wine at 10 euros in business class and 25 euros in first class with Lufthansa group, did not expect better for spirit.

    3. Brendo Guest

      It is one of the few things I enjoy about united j, decent bourbon and scotch international at lease.

      I am assuming that they can just buy the minibottles in bulk, sell in economy and give away in business. So it is cheaper than buying bottles of scotch and bourbon for airplanes.

  25. Eskimo Guest

    Can't wait to try it myself. But from the looks so far, I'd go with Apex seats over this.

  26. Cr- Guest

    Although the article was somewhat interesting, the focus on luxuries is getting trite. I think that all these “avgeek” people want is to have their asses kissed and be treated like royalty. So much for flying. Might as well write a restaurant or hotel review.

    1. Ben Schlappig OMAAT

      @ Cr- -- Huh? I'm not sure what you're trying to say, exactly, let alone how you deduced that based on this review?

    2. Yoloswag420 Guest

      He's saying it's giving out of touch.

  27. Oran Guest

    @Ben how does this compare to British Airways Club Suite?

    1. Ben Schlappig OMAAT

      @ Oran -- That's a toughie. In terms of hard product, British Airways Club Suites has the benefit of being consistent between seats, while Lufthansa Allegris lacks. I'd say the better Allegris seats are better than Club Suites, while the worse Allegris seats are worse than Club Suites.

      Nowadays I'd say British Airways has the edge when it comes to bedding and catering, which is a sad reflection of how little Lufthansa has done to innovate with soft product.

  28. Rolling of the eyes... Guest

    Basically a botched launch of a complex product which will require careful messaging.

    That company employees hogged the best seats, and weren't greeting each fare individually and soliciting their feedback during the flight, is beyond belief. Seems like they've lost touch with their customer base. Or perhaps they're trying to avoid a lot of difficult questions about waiting 7 years for a rather odd C product, and probably another 2 years for the F.

    Presumably...

    Basically a botched launch of a complex product which will require careful messaging.

    That company employees hogged the best seats, and weren't greeting each fare individually and soliciting their feedback during the flight, is beyond belief. Seems like they've lost touch with their customer base. Or perhaps they're trying to avoid a lot of difficult questions about waiting 7 years for a rather odd C product, and probably another 2 years for the F.

    Presumably they got first dibs on the best meal options as well.

  29. Nikojas Guest

    The most telling part of the review is that the service was average despite the CEO being onboard and that the LH boss avoided any interaction with the customers who he's supposed to be introducing this cabin for! Says it all!

  30. DenB Diamond

    "Last but not least are the window privacy seats, which are the window seats closer to the aisle. This is the seat I ended up in". Not sure this is what you meant.

    1. Ben Schlappig OMAAT

      @ DenB -- Fixed, thanks!

    2. caelus678 Member

      I've said this b4, the cabin looks so bland and plastic

  31. Likes-to-fly Gold

    I do not understand all the fuzz with Allegris. It is like celebrating the remote village finally being electrified, while all the country around has already had electricity for years.
    I am really glad that Lufthansa-dorf finally got modernized, but for now it`s just few planes, so not much to be excited about yet.

  32. Bobo Bolinski Guest

    It all sounds nice enough to me, until I see that LH is effectively "charging" for seat selection in their new business class? So, the critical detail is: How much? That's a heckuva lot more important to me (and I'd guess, anyone reading this) than the quality of the packages icecream they served. Want to sit near a window? You'll pay extra for that. How much extra?

    And....you can't get any of the better seats...

    It all sounds nice enough to me, until I see that LH is effectively "charging" for seat selection in their new business class? So, the critical detail is: How much? That's a heckuva lot more important to me (and I'd guess, anyone reading this) than the quality of the packages icecream they served. Want to sit near a window? You'll pay extra for that. How much extra?

    And....you can't get any of the better seats if you're on an award ticket!

    You said this flight cost you "90,000 Air Canada Aeroplan points plus $88.24 in taxes and fees." But you managed to avoid paying the fee for your seat - don't you think it's worth mentioning that?

    1. Lukas Diamond

      He did mention that premium seats will require a surcharge in the future.

    2. Ben Schlappig OMAAT

      @ Bobo Bolinski -- Lufthansa isn't yet charging for seat assignments in business class, but will soon. So for the time being, passengers can select some of the premium seats in advance at no cost. I wrote about what we can generally expect with Lufthansa charging for seats here (though there still aren't any exact numbers):
      https://onemileatatime.com/news/lufthansa-allegris-business-class-seat-fee/

    3. monopod Guest

      Didn't he say they haven't started charging yet?

  33. Jan Guest

    the ceo occupied row one the suites. you don't have to say more. not costumer focused. just for his own benefit instead of show this top seat of the product to other passagers.. shame on this management

  34. Lee Guest

    Ben, is it fair to say that (as a whole) you would rate the Air France's new Opera business class suite above Lufthansa's Allegris business class suite? Thanks for the review.

    1. Ben Schlappig OMAAT

      @ Lee -- Yes, I'd say so. That's a great product, and it's consistent across seats (except the bulkheads, which are even better). I like some Allegris seats more than some Air France seats, but I think there's value in knowing the experience you're going to get, regardless of where you sit.

  35. YourName Guest

    Two things stand out - the unwillingness and inability of senior management to engage with customers on board and at the ground. A prepared speech at the gate is just so typical german to do something :eyeroll: . And the the over-engineered and horribly repeatedly marketed disparity in seat design. Just bad and leading to massive frustration. Compare to BA suites introduction 5! years ago - consistent and solid hard product, versus paying same high...

    Two things stand out - the unwillingness and inability of senior management to engage with customers on board and at the ground. A prepared speech at the gate is just so typical german to do something :eyeroll: . And the the over-engineered and horribly repeatedly marketed disparity in seat design. Just bad and leading to massive frustration. Compare to BA suites introduction 5! years ago - consistent and solid hard product, versus paying same high price and getting Skoda:Audi:Porsche based on your FF status and ability to snag seats.

  36. Dim Tunn Guest

    Don't even need to read this to know Ben should have flown D1. This is barely "premium." D1 is the industry's most Premium product. I bet Lufthansa lost $10,000,000 operating this single flight because they can't compete with Delta's industry-leading economics.

    1. Lukas Diamond

      It was funny the first or second time, now it's just boring and stupid. Enough.

    2. Redacted Guest

      Oh hey, an account mocking TD. How original, smart and witty you are.

    3. Dim Tunn Guest

      Thank you!!! I really appreciate the kind words.

    4. GBOAC Diamond

      Where is the upvote/downvote glyphs (ok just the downvote) when you need them:-)

    5. UA-NYC Diamond

      DT keep up the good work! Big fan here.

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@ Oran -- That's a toughie. In terms of hard product, British Airways Club Suites has the benefit of being consistent between seats, while Lufthansa Allegris lacks. I'd say the better Allegris seats are better than Club Suites, while the worse Allegris seats are worse than Club Suites. Nowadays I'd say British Airways has the edge when it comes to bedding and catering, which is a sad reflection of how little Lufthansa has done to innovate with soft product.

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Nikojas Guest

The most telling part of the review is that the service was average despite the CEO being onboard and that the LH boss avoided any interaction with the customers who he's supposed to be introducing this cabin for! Says it all!

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The inconsistency in seating along with the fact that they‘ll charge extra for the nicer seats is a huge drawback and feels like being nickel and dimed after already spending a lot of money. Not good. For business travelers, companies won‘t allow expensing seat selection fees so you‘re stuck with the basic seats and have to stress out until checkin to see whether you‘ll get a better seat. Also not good. And while we don‘t know how much they‘ll charge, if we go by what Swiss charges, it‘s likely going to be at least $200+ extra for a better seat (and even more for the much better ones). I agree with the commenter who said business class is all about simplicity and not being nickel and dimed, so this just doesn‘t feel good overall. But hey, better than what they have today I suppose (same goes for you Swiss and Austrian - time to get new seats).

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