Qantas’ Absurdly Expensive Business Class Fares

I know quite a few OMAAT readers are in Australia, so I have both an observation and a question…

Why are Qantas’ business class fares so expensive?

Long story short, I’m looking at booking a trip where I’d need to travel from Perth to Sydney on a particular day. Unfortunately Qantas doesn’t have any saver level business class award availability, and since the airline is pretty stingy with awards, I think it’s unlikely that more seats will open up.

So I then looked at just booking a paid business class fare on Qantas (since I’m hoping to review the flight). I figured it wouldn’t be too expensive, since we’re only talking about a four hour flight, and the plane appears to be mostly empty in business class. My gosh, was I wrong.

Qantas’ business class pricing is very expensive

Admittedly Perth to Sydney is probably Qantas’ equivalent to New York to Los Angeles in the United States, in terms of distance and being a “premium” route.

Qantas’ cheapest one-way business class fare in the market is $1,827. That’s in USD, not AUD (in AUD, it would be $2,711). Okay did I just pick a date where the flight was mostly sold out? After doing some digging, I saw that this is simply Qantas’ entry level business class fare in the market.

Whether you’re booking a week out or a year out, you won’t find a cheaper nonstop one-way business class fare between the two cities (and a roundtrip is priced at twice the cost of a one-way, so that’s not the problem).

Business class fares between SYD and PER

Let’s just compare that to New York to Los Angeles for a moment, which is not only a significantly longer flight, but also a flight between much bigger centers of wealth (no disrespect to Sydney or Perth).

Between New York and Los Angeles, airlines almost exclusive offer flat bed business class (while Qantas partly flies 737s between Sydney and Perth). You’ll generally find one-way business class fares start at $650, and they’re regularly $1,000.

Business class fares between JFK and LAX

Heck, American’s three cabin first class between New York and Los Angeles regularly costs $1,199 one-way.

American first class fares between JFK and LAX

What am I missing about Qantas’ pricing?

One thing is for sure — Qantas’ pricing in the market definitely reflects how Australia doesn’t have enough competition domestically. When the cheapest business class fare for a 737 business class seat on a four hour flight is $1,800+, then something isn’t quite right.

We often complain about lack of competition in the United States, but there’s not a single market in the country that has entry level pricing that’s this high. I mean, heck, you can fly from Newark to Honolulu for less than that nonstop in a flat bed if you plan in advance.

So all of that leads me to believe that Qantas is really just skimming the market with its premium pricing. The airline presumably tries to sell a limited number of seats at those fares, and then create all kinds of pathways for people to upgrade.

The US airline industry has evolved significantly in that regard over the past decade. Back in the day, domestic first class was priced obscenely high. Airlines would hope to sell a few seats, and then would upgrade passengers into 80%+ of those empty seats.

That has changed significantly over the years, and now a vast majority of first class seats within the United States are outright paid for, as pricing has become more reasonable.

All of this is even more confusing when you consider that business class hasn’t fully recovered post-pandemic. There are a lot more leisure travelers paying for premium cabins, but not at the same fares as business travelers did pre-pandemic.

Qantas’ business class pricing is confusingly high

What’s the best way to upgrade to Qantas business class?

This brings me to my question. For example, I’m looking at a flight in the near future in this market that’s operated by an Airbus A330, and currently a single business class seat shows as being occupied on the seatmap.

As someone with no Qantas elite status, but who has access to Qantas points (by means of a transferable points currency), what’s the best way to upgrade a Qantas ticket from Perth to Sydney?

Qantas seems to have three upgrade options:

  • There are Classic Upgrade Rewards, where you can redeem Qantas points for an upgrade, and be notified of whether you’re successful up to three days before departure for domestic flights
  • There are Bid Now Upgrades, where you can bid just cash or a combination of cash and points, for an upgrade, and you’ll only be notified whether you’re successful up to five hours before departure
  • There are Domestic On Departure Upgrade Rewards, though this is only available for elite members, and you can be upgraded on the spot up to three hours before departure

It seems that the Classic Upgrade Rewards have the highest priority. For what it’s worth, below is Qantas’ upgrade award chart.

Qantas’ points upgrade chart

A Perth to Sydney flight is around 2,000 miles, meaning:

  • An upgrade from a Classic Reward would cost 28,300 Qantas points
  • An upgrade from a Discount Economy ticket would cost 27,200 Qantas points
  • An upgrade from a Flexible Economy ticket would cost 10,900 Qantas points

So pulling up some sample fares:

  • A Discount Economy ticket would cost $458 (AUD), or $308 (USD)
  • A Flexible Economy ticket would cost $912 (AUD), or $614 (USD)
  • An Economy Classic Reward would cost 18,000 Qantas points plus $45 (AUD), or $30 (USD)

I’d say either the award or the discounted economy ticket would be the best value here, and then it would cost 27,200-28,300 miles to upgrade.

That brings me to my question for those who know more about Qantas domestic upgrades than I do. Let me again emphasize that I’m looking at an Airbus A330 flight, and the business class seatmap shows almost entirely unassigned:

  • Does Qantas offer last seat availability for upgrades?
  • What are the odds of actually clearing as a non-elite member? Is this a situation where seemingly everyone tries to upgrade (since so many people in Australia have Qantas points), or are odds decent if a flight isn’t looking particularly full?
  • If you use Qantas points to upgrade on a paid fare, can you still credit your flight to another program, like American AAdvantage?

If there’s anything else I’m missing or any of my analysis is wrong, please let me know!

Bottom line

Qantas business class fares are outrageously expensive, especially on domestic flights, where competition seems to be lacking. Premium fares in the United States pale in comparison to what Qantas is charging. That leads me to believe that Qantas is essentially just trying to skim the market with its premium fares, selling a few seats, and then offering various pathways to upgrade.

I’m curious to hear what OMAAT readers think about this, and hopefully some Qantas frequent flyers can share some tips on upgrading.

What’s your take on Qantas’ business class pricing? Is there something I’m missing?

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Vu Nguyen Guest

Honestly I’ve been struggling to understand why the Australian public is still supporting this shamble company since I migrated here. I avoid traveling with them as much as I can because their ludicrous price point does NOT justify the service. Outdated fleet (14 years old avg at the time of speaking), axed ground service (self check in even for int’l flights), shrinking flight network (Singapore Airlines has recently announced increased flights to all major airports in Australia, a sign that Qantas is losing its market despite being very much protected by the government from competition), terrible carrier charge if redeeming flights by points. Honestly, I do collect Qantas FF points but only using it to redeem flights with other Oneworld partner airlines coz the carrier charges are reasonable. The list can go on and on. In short, avoid them like a plague.

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Josh Guest

You're missing that there is a lack of competition. That's all you need to know. The way capitalism works is that competition helps to drive up quality and drive down prices. You can't expect for the cost of something in one place with lost of completion keeping costs low to translate to another part of the world were there is less motivation to find efficiencies. Things cost what they cost. Competition is what helps make them better. Regulation makes them cost more. These are the basics of how price and capitalism works.

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Lisa Guest

I requested an upgrade ( must be some kind of lottery system) from Perth to Sydney. If successful I would have to fork over some points. Did the same going back from Sydney to Perth. I was successful both times and sat in business class. Now here's the rub. Flying to Sydney, I had a fully reclining air bed. Awesome. Sydney to Perth I sat next to someone in a wider seat and couldn't recline more than a little, and as luck would have it, I couldn't recline at all because of the size of the person behind me. Also no personal TV or anything nice except for the wider seat. I looked up the cost of the full fares and it's the same either direction!!! If I'd have paid full fare for business class both ways, I'd have been really angry. As it stands, I'm still not very happy. What's this all about????

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Jordan Guest

Worked in the Australian airlines industry for a number of years - to answer your 3 questions. (1) yes QF classic upgrade gets last seat availability. Bid now doesn’t, and they are only ever considered after all classic upgrades are cleared. No bid now will be accepted regardless of how high the bid is (you can bid the max and it won’t matter), if there is still pending classic upgrades. (2) Odds of clearing with no status highly varies. There is no way for a customer to tell and this is purposely opaque (to reduce dilution potential). QF doesn’t have a publicly visible standby list (not even at the airport on the day of departure). Some flights would have 10 platinum ones listed, some flights you’d be the only one. Only RM could tell. (3) you can’t - once you are upgraded the FQTV filed is locked in the PNR. You cannot disassociate it without losing your upgrade. This is done on purpose to prevent customer leakage. QF domestic premium pricing strategy is such that it believes the only people will pay for domestic J is due to corporate policy or extreme high net worth (so demand is completely inelastic) - the cabin is filled (especially on PER-SYD/MEL lie-flat flights) with classic upgrade. This acts as an incentive to ensure stickiness as it is the only way most people could realistically travel J on QF domestic flights). The J cabin on these 330 east west flights almost never go out with empty seats. But excluding upgrades paid load factory is consistently <50%. On the international front due to competition there’s routinely cheaper fares (SYD-CGK/MNL is almost always cheaper than SYD-PER for example) Qantas loyalty is a huge business, and the airline does a number of odd things to ensure the stickiness continues.

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Erick Guest

I am also Confused, people have high expectations for business and first class, but they also expect the lowest price they can get

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