Review: Air France La Premiere First Class Boeing 777 (MIA-CDG)

Review: Air France La Premiere First Class Boeing 777 (MIA-CDG)

FROM: MIA
TO: CDG
CABIN: First
DATE: February 2025
REVIEW RATING:
BEN SAYS: Air France's 777 La Premiere offers the world's most seamless first class experience, in a way no other airline can pull off. Add in the elegant yet understated cabin, exceptionally comfortable bed, and great food, drinks, and amenities, and the experience is delightful.
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For the first segment of our royal visit to Versailles, we flew Air France’s Boeing 777-300ER La Premiere first class on the eight hour flight from Miami (MIA) to Paris (CDG). Air France is known for having one of the world’s best first class products, though I hadn’t flown it in over five years, so I was curious to see how it was holding up.

I’m happy to report that as before, La Premiere is exceptional. The cabin is intimate and offers unbeatable privacy thanks to curtains, I find the bed to be one of the most comfortable in the sky, and the food, drinks, and amenities, are all very good.

However, what really sets La Premiere apart is how seamless the journey is. There’s simply not another airline in the world that puts even remotely as much effort into the ground experience, whether at the carrier’s Charles de Gaulle hub, or an outstation. Every detail is thought of.

Admittedly Air France charges a pretty penny for the experience, whether paying in cash or miles. So the airline is priced at the top of the market, but it seems that strategy is working. Keep in mind that shortly, Air France will also be introducing a new La Premiere suite, which will replace the existing product, taking this to the next level.

How I booked my Air France La Premiere first class ticket

I booked our Air France La Premiere first class tickets using miles. Flying Blue greatly restricts first class awards — they’re only available to Flying Blue Platinum members, and award pricing is steeper than with just about any other program.

I booked the following for the per person cost of 236,000 Flying Blue miles plus $302.10 in taxes & fees (as you can see, this included a stopover in Paris, and my connection to Vienna in Air France’s Airbus A220-300 business class):

2/15 AF99 Miami to Paris departing 7:50PM arriving 10:45AM (+1 day)
2/19 AF1739 Paris to Vienna departing 3:30PM arriving 5:25PM

While Flying Blue miles are easy to come by (thanks to the program partnering with major transferable points currencies), as you can see, awards aren’t exactly a bargain, given the status and mileage requirements.

Air France La Premiere first class lounge & boarding

We arrived at Miami Airport shortly before 6PM, around two hours before our flight to Paris was scheduled to depart. The exclusivity associated with La Premiere starts at check-in. Like other airlines, Air France has a dedicated first class check-in area. What’s different, though, is how the airline handles the process.

As we arrived at the airport, the first class check-in area was roped off, with someone standing there, obviously waiting for us to arrive. As we walked up and confirmed our identity, he opened the rope, proceeded to check us in, once again closed the rope, and then accompanied us until we boarded the aircraft.

Air France La Premiere first class check-in Miami Airport
Air France La Premiere first class boarding pass holder

He escorted us through security, and then to the Delta Sky Club®, which I’ve reviewed in the past, and it’s where Air France sends its premium passengers. Even at outstations, Air France makes an effort to offer an exclusive lounge setup, as much as possible. For example, the back of the lounge had a section that was roped off and even had flowers, which we were directed to. We certainly got some confused looks from other guests.

For that matter, on account of our La Premiere tickets, we could order any drinks from the bar, including any of Delta’s premium drinks that ordinarily have to be purchased. The paid drink selection wasn’t quite as high-end here as at some of Delta’s other lounges, but there were still some nice options.

Air France La Premiere first class drink options
Air France La Premiere first class drink options

Boarding for our flight was scheduled for 7:05PM, 45 minutes before departure. There was another couple in first class (they had upgraded from business class on the day of departure), so at around 7PM, the four of us were escorted down to a golf cart that was waiting to take us to our departure gate, J17.

Air France La Premiere first class golf cart Miami Airport

The second we pulled up, we were allowed on the plane, and then a moment later, boarding began. It really is amazing how seamless Air France makes the ground experience.

Air France 777 La Premiere first class cabin & seats

We boarded through the forward left door, where we were greeted by the chief purser and the first class flight attendant, and directed to our seats. Air France’s La Premiere cabin is intimate, with a single row of seats, in a 1-2-1 configuration.

Air France 777 La Premiere first class cabin

For what it’s worth, the area between the first and second set of doors otherwise has four rows of business class, in a 1-2-1 configuration. That means there are a total of 20 seats between the first and second set of doors.

Air France 777 business class cabin

I decided to assign us seats 1A and 1L, the two window seats. While it’s nice for couples to be able to travel together in the center section, I do love the privacy offered by the window seats, especially with the curtain drawn.

The La Premiere seat is so much simpler than a lot of other first class products out there, as it’s just a “basic” seat and ottoman. However, this really makes one think that other airlines have been over engineering their products, because this is every bit as comfortable, if not more comfortable, than so many of the “boxy” suites out there. I also love the clean, understated elegance of the cabin.

Air France 777 La Premiere first class seat

Air France’s La Premiere seats feature 79″ of pitch, with seats that are 24″ wide in the seated position, and the width increases to 30″ when the seat is turned into a bed (due to the arm rests lowering).

Air France 777 La Premiere first class seat
Air France 777 La Premiere first class seat
Air France 777 La Premiere first class seat
Air France 777 La Premiere first class seat

As far as seat features go, there’s a storage compartment to the side of each seat. You can place items here during the flight, but even beyond that, this is also where you’ll find the entertainment controller, power outlets (AC and USB-A outlets), headphone jack, and seat settings.

Air France 777 La Premiere first class seat storage
Air France 777 La Premiere first class seat outlets
Air France 777 La Premiere first class seat entertainment controller
Air France 777 La Premiere first class seat controls

The tray table folds out from just in front of this compartment. It’s a huge tray, and it’s quite heavy. So if you decide you want to dine face-to-face with someone, there’s plenty of room to do so. It’s also useful how you can slide the tray table back and forth, so that you can easily get up even when it’s out.

Air France 777 La Premiere first class seat tray table

The seat’s ottoman doubles as a buddy seat. The ottoman also has a storage compartment at the bottom of it, which is big enough to store a laptop, a pair of shoes, etc.

Air France 777 La Premiere first class seat ottoman

Speaking of storage, one quirk worth noting is that there are only overhead bins along the window seats, and not along the center seats, in order to make the cabin feel more spacious. That’s not a big deal, but it’s worth mentioning because it’s less than ideal if someone in the center seat needs to access their items in the overhead in the middle of the flight, when the window seat passenger has their curtain drawn, since it would need to be opened.

One thing I love about La Premiere is how curtains are used, instead of doors. This is such a simple but brilliant innovation, and I can’t believe other airlines haven’t adopted this. Curtains are lightweight, they won’t break (unlike doors), they offer tons of flexibility, and they potentially offer full privacy.

Air France 777 La Premiere first class seat curtains

If you don’t want to use the curtains, there’s a privacy shield along the side of the seat, which can be raised during the flight. This offers some privacy, while still allowing for an open feeling in the cabin.

Air France 777 La Premiere first class seat privacy shield

I appreciate some of the other elegant design features in the cabin. For example, Air France has its signature winged seahorse (hippocampe ailé) pattern on the lamp next to the seat.

Air France 777 La Premiere first class seat design details

The La Premiere suite has a total of four windows, and those can be controlled via buttons to the side of the seat — one setting controls the blinds, and then there’s also the full blackout feature.

Air France 777 La Premiere first class seat windows

The last thing worth mentioning is that unfortunately, Air France doesn’t have individual air nozzles on its 777s. That’s a shame, though I find that if you get too warm and ask the crew nicely, they’ll gladly make the cabin a bit cooler.

Air France 777 overhead console

Air France La Premiere first class amenities

Waiting at each seat upon boarding were a pair of slippers, along with socks, a shoe horn, and a bag where shoes can be placed during the flight.

Air France La Premiere first class slippers & socks

There were also headphones waiting at each seat — they were from Denon, and were reasonably good quality, but not to the level of Bose or Bang & Olufsen, as you’ll find on a limited number of carriers.

Air France 777 La Premiere first class headphones

Air France has an elegant pre-departure service in La Premiere. There’s a little silver tray with a bottle of water and a glass at the seat upon boarding, and then you can order an additional beverage. I ordered a glass of champagne, and Laurent-Perrier Grand Siecle was on offer. I was also provided with a couple of savory snacks, which is always a nice pre-departure touch.

Air France La Premiere first class pre-departure drink

That was followed by a warm towel.

Air France La Premiere first class warm towel

Soon thereafter, amenity kits were distributed. These have to be some of the most elegant amenity kits out there — they’re sturdy, and have the winged seahorse logo on them. The design is also cool, as the amenity kit essentially “slides open” to reveal the contents.

Most exciting is that the kit has Sisley products (very nice!), in addition to a comb, a pen, earplugs, eyeshades, and more.

Air France La Premiere first class amenity kit
Air France La Premiere first class amenity kit

Pajamas were also distributed, and once again, they’re among the most stylish you’ll find on any airline. No airline is as good as Air France when it comes to constantly weaving such an elegant logo into so many parts of the passenger experience.

Air France La Premiere first class pajamas
Air France La Premiere first class pajamas

Last but not least, the menus for the flight were distributed…

Air France La Premiere first class menu

Air France 777 La Premiere first class entertainment

Air France’s La Premiere first class offers a 24″ high definition television, which is mounted in a fixed position above the ottoman. I’d describe Air France’s entertainment selection as being roughly average — it’s good, but it’s also not as extensive as on some other airlines.

It’s hard to know exactly how many programs there are, due to the way the entertainment selection is organized. Either way, there’s a large selection of movies, TV shows, games, and of course the map feature.

Air France 777 La Premiere first class entertainment
Air France 777 La Premiere first class entertainment
Air France 777 La Premiere first class entertainment
Air France 777 La Premiere first class entertainment
Air France 777 La Premiere first class entertainment

Nowadays Air France has Wi-Fi on its 777s. The airline offers free messaging to all passengers, and then a “Surf” pass is available for €22, while a “Stream” pass is available for €38. That pricing is definitely on the steep side, but there are no data caps.

Air France 777 Wi-Fi system

However, in La Premiere, it’s possible to get a free Wi-Fi “Stream” pass. You just need to enter your booking reference and last name, and then you’ll automatically be connected.

Air France 777 Wi-Fi system
Air France 777 Wi-Fi system

While Air France’s entertainment selection isn’t the best in the world (but still quite good), the free Wi-Fi makes up for it. Best of all, Air France will soon be introducing Starlink Wi-Fi, and it’ll be free for all passengers. That’s going to be a game changer.

Air France 777 departure from Miami

The boarding process was efficient. Up in La Premiere it was all quite peaceful, since there was basically no foot traffic. During this time, the first class flight attendant, plus the chief purser, both introduced themselves to each passenger. The captain even came around to greet each first class passenger, which is a nice touch you don’t find on many airlines, but in my experience it happens more often than not on Air France.

As mentioned above, it was a full load in La Premiere. We only booked a couple of days before departure, and all four seats were unoccupied. So we had two of the seats, and then the couple in the center purchased upgrades at the airport (and were very excited to try La Premiere, having heard a lot about it).

At 7:45PM the main cabin door closed. At the same time, the captain was on the PA to add his welcome aboard, informing us of our flight time of eight hours.

At 7:55PM we began our pushback, and 10 minutes after that, we began our taxi. We taxied for around 10 minutes, and then had a roughly five minute wait at the departure runway. In the end, we were cleared for takeoff at 8:20PM, from runway 8R.

We had a smooth climb out, and the seatbelt sign was turned off 10 minutes after takeoff.

Air France La Premiere first class dinner service

Dinner was served right after takeoff, and as usual in Air France La Premiere, it was quite the affair. You can find the La Premiere dinner menu below.

Air France La Premiere first class menu

You can find the La Premiere drink list below.

Air France La Premiere first class wine list
Air France La Premiere first class wine list
Air France La Premiere first class wine list
Air France La Premiere first class drink list
Air France La Premiere first class drink list
Air France La Premiere first class drink list

There was no pre-dinner drink, but instead, the dinner service immediately commenced, 20 minutes after takeoff (presumably because snacks were already served on the ground, and because most people want to maximize sleep). To start, the table was set — I love the proper salt and pepper mills, the subtly angled glasses, and the winged seahorse plate.

Air France La Premiere first class dinner — table setting

The first course was served 25 minutes after takeoff, and consisted of caviar with blinis and crème fraîche. I had another glass of champagne to accompany this. The caviar was good, but honestly, I found the plating a bit cheap. Personally, I like to eat off a minimum of five plates. 😉

Air France La Premiere first class dinner — caviar course

As soon as the caviar was cleared, it was time for the soup course. That consisted of a cream of leek soup with croutons. This was super flavorful, and quite rich.

Air France La Premiere first class dinner — soup course

Next up was the appetizer, for which I selected watermelon aspic, grilled shrimp, and herbs. This was absolutely delicious, and I appreciated the small portion (since it takes stamina to finish a meal in La Premiere).

Air France La Premiere first class dinner — starter

For the main course, I ordered the lobster with tea sauce, which was surprisingly lovely. For outstation catering, I was very pleasantly surprised by the quality.

Air France La Premiere first class dinner — main course

To accompany the main, I decided to switch to a red wine, and had a glass of the pinot noir.

Air France La Premiere first class dinner — wine & water

After the main course, I had a salad, which could be customized. I chose everything except the duck confit. Note that there was the option of having the salad either before or after the main, and I went with the more traditional French approach.

Air France La Premiere first class dinner — salad

I was stuffed at this point, but still mustered up the courage to order the truffon cake, just for the picture, of course. 😉

Air France La Premiere first class dinner — dessert

All-in-all, I thought this was an excellent meal, especially given that we’re talking about outstation catering. Generally catering is much better in La Premiere when originating from Paris, so this was delightful.

Air France 777 La Premiere first class lavatories

At the conclusion of the meal, I asked to have my bed made, and then checked out the lavatory. Air France La Premiere currently has one first class lavatory, located at the front of the cabin, by the flight deck. It’s a decent size for a 777, but isn’t otherwise too remarkable.

Air France 777 La Premiere first class lavatory
Air France 777 La Premiere first class lavatory

The only thing that stands out is the very nice Sisley amenities, including body cream and make-up remover. It’s also nice how there are proper cloth towels with which you can dry your hands, rather than just paper towels.

Air France 777 La Premiere first class lavatory

Note that starting shortly, La Premiere will offer access to two lavatories. There’s a second lavatory at the front of the plane, but up until now, it has been for the exclusive use of the pilots. That policy will no longer be the case starting in the coming weeks.

Air France 777 La Premiere first class bed

Upon returning to my seat, I found that my bed was made. Air France’s La Premiere first class seat converts into a bed that’s 79″ long and 30″ wide, so those are some great dimensions.

I don’t know what it is, but if you ask me, Air France has the most comfortable first class bed in the sky. The bedding is so luxurious and soft, and the curtains create a space that feels truly private, so it’s almost like you’re at home. There’s not an airline in the world that I sleep better on than Air France.

Air France 777 La Premiere first class bed
Air France 777 La Premiere first class bed
Air France 777 La Premiere first class bed

I fell asleep with just under six hours remaining to Paris, as we were out over the Atlantic Ocean…

Air France 777 La Premiere first class map feature
Air France 777 La Premiere first class map feature

…and I woke up around 1hr20min before arrival, as we were approaching the coast of France. I would’ve probably slept longer, but this is the point at which the flight attendant woke me up for the breakfast service (which I had asked him to do).

Air France 777 La Premiere first class map feature
Air France 777 La Premiere first class map feature

I’m a horrible airplane sleeper, but I just got such a good night of sleep, as it was totally uninterrupted.

I’ve gotta say, I think Air France’s first class curtains are brilliant, though I always laugh a bit when walking down the aisle with all curtains drawn. You almost feel like you’re in a hospital.

Air France 777 La Premiere first class curtains

Air France La Premiere first class breakfast

With just over an hour before landing, it was time for some breakfast (not that I was hungry). You can find the La Premiere breakfast menu below.

Air France La Premiere first class menu

Of the two main course options, I selected the scrambled eggs with chives, cheese, and truffle shavings, which was yummy. That was accompanied by some fresh fruit, yogurt, granola, and a croissant.

Air France La Premiere first class breakfast — meal

To drink, I had a cup of coffee, which was decent.

Air France La Premiere first class breakfast — coffee

After breakfast, I decided to order a cappuccino. I remembered from my last La Premiere flight that the cappuccino situation was one of the only disappointing aspects of the experience, and I found that remained unchanged. Unfortunately Air France seems to use powdered cappuccinos in first class. That’s disappointing, though it’s my understanding that this is something that’s being worked on.

Air France La Premiere first class breakfast — cappuccino

Air France La Premiere first class service

Air France La Premiere has a single dedicated flight attendant, and then there’s a second business class flight attendant who sometimes helps out during busy periods. On this flight, there was just the single flight attendant working the cabin, with no help.

The flight attendant was super friendly and tried hard, though the challenge is that with a full cabin and everyone eating, he was stretched thin. He had to do everything from preparing the meals in the galley, to serving meals and clearing plates, to making beds.

He did his absolute best to be efficient, but even so, there were definitely longer gaps in service than you’d otherwise expect in first class, simply because he was so busy. I imagine that this is typically less of an issue, since ordinarily the cabin isn’t quite full, and some people go straight to sleep.

I understand the challenging economics here, because dedicating two flight attendants to at most four passengers is probably also difficult to justify. Maybe it’s something that will evolve over time, especially as Air France takes its first class to the next level, with a new hard product.

Air France 777 arrival in Paris

At 9:30AM Paris time, the captain was back on the PA to advise that we’d be landing in around 50 minutes, at 10:20AM. At 9:50AM we began our descent, and 15 minutes later, the seatbelt sign was turned on. The views on approach were gorgeous, as it was an uncharacteristically nice winter morning over France.

View approaching Paris Charles de Gaulle Airport
View approaching Paris Charles de Gaulle Airport
View approaching Paris Charles de Gaulle Airport

We had a smooth approach, and at 10:20AM we touched down on runway 8R.

View approaching Paris Charles de Gaulle Airport

It took us around 10 minutes to get to our arrival gate, and we spent a few minutes holding short of runway 8L, waiting for a gap between departing traffic.

View taxiing Paris Charles de Gaulle Airport
View taxiing Paris Charles de Gaulle Airport

There was lots of great plane spotting during our taxi in, especially as we approached our arrival gate.

View taxiing Paris Charles de Gaulle Airport
View taxiing Paris Charles de Gaulle Airport
View taxiing Paris Charles de Gaulle Airport

We pulled into our gate at 10:30AM, 15 minutes ahead of schedule. From there, probably the most impressive part of the journey took place, which I’ll cover in the next installment. This included being met by a La Premiere representative, clearing immigration from inside a car, and going to the arrivals lounge, prior to taking the included chauffeur service to our destination.

Bottom line

Air France’s La Premiere first class continues to be an incredible experience, even as a new product is in the process of being rolled out. What makes La Premiere so great is how seamless and comfortable the entire journey is.

It’s not that Air France has the flashiest cabins, or the most over-the-top amenities. Instead, La Premiere offers the smoothest first class experience of any airline in the world, all with an air of understated elegance, and the most comfortable first class bed in the sky. The first class experience is taken care of every second you’re at the airport, and even potentially before or after (thanks to the chauffeur service).

What’s your take on Air France’s La Premiere first class?

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  1. FNT Delta Diamond Guest

    I've also never understood why Air France uses powdered/instant coffee.

  2. FNT Delta Diamond Guest

    I can't figure out why Air France sends business-class passengers to the LATAM lounge but first-class passengers to the Delta lounge. Delta's lounge closes earlier too.

  3. Adrian Guest

    Honestly given the price that Air France charges, they should really have no excuses for not having two First Class F/As. Singapore Airlines always has two F/As in first class so the service is always efficient and personable.

    The product looked good and I really like how elegant the cabin looks.

    Thanks for the report again!

  4. Tim Dumdum Guest

    Award pricing being steep? I beg to differ...
    MIA-ATL-CDG in Delta One is a cool 375K in Skypesos on a random date in mid-April.

  5. Jeremy Guest

    I was fortunate to fly London to CDG and on to Montreal in La Premiere in 2010 .. and it was memorable. I was the only passenger in La Premiere, so it felt truly special.

    As regards the mention of the Global A380 .. I have zero interest in flying with them.

  6. iamhere Guest

    Why not tell us the cash rate in addition to the points rate although you paid in points? While it may be an excellent product, is it worth the price? You used points and you are doing it for the review and Air France is one of the key airlines you like to review. There are many airlines you rarely or never fly. However, relative to the price would business or premium economy be sufficient for most people.

    1. Leigh Guest

      What an absurd review of the review.

      It's silly to point out the obvious... just look at the number of seats in each cabin. By seat ratio, business/PE/Y are more economical for most.

    2. Samo Guest

      You can find cash rates at airfrance.com.

  7. Eric Schmidt Guest

    The review is nice and all, but I mean, award redemptions like this are effectively useless to probably anyone but a few dozen people in the whole world? Given the qualification requirements.

  8. Nnud Mit Guest

    Why do I get the feeling this is like Lufthansa first class, i.e. a mediocre product that Lucky gushes over because of some weird emotional attachment to it?

    1. Julia Guest

      It really isn't mediocre. It's a very good product. Not just best in Europe, but one of the best worldwide. I'd take it over Lufthansa, Swiss, Thai, Qantas, British Airways, And Korean Air.

    2. Rob Guest

      But not above Singapore Airlines in A380. Suites and bathrooms are not comparable. Book the cook either - esp with flights from Singapore.

    3. AeroB13a Guest

      Rob, for more years than I care to remember one has traveled between LHR and SIN. A combination of airlines, plus, direct or indirect flights, the routes have been varied too.
      The SQ A380, 1A & 2A or 1F & 2F have definitely been our preferred choice of seats. Consistently, comfortable and reliable.
      With the advent of the forthcoming AF (new) La Premiere suite, this year we hope to give it a punt,...

      Rob, for more years than I care to remember one has traveled between LHR and SIN. A combination of airlines, plus, direct or indirect flights, the routes have been varied too.
      The SQ A380, 1A & 2A or 1F & 2F have definitely been our preferred choice of seats. Consistently, comfortable and reliable.
      With the advent of the forthcoming AF (new) La Premiere suite, this year we hope to give it a punt, CDG-SIN …. maybe even before Ben can review the product. Watch this space.

    4. Samo Guest

      Comparing La Première, one of the best airline experiences on the planet, to the abysmal Lufthansa Group products? Now I've seen it all.

    5. jallan Diamond

      Why do you think it's a medicore product?

  9. Clem Diamond

    Hah I just flew La Première this past weekend and looks like you just missed out on the new soft product! They already rolled it out before the new seat comes out in a few weeks (first flight on April 7th, according to the flight attendant and lounge staff, unless further delays which could happen).
    The menu has a few additions like cocktails (pre made but very good), and the new PJs made in...

    Hah I just flew La Première this past weekend and looks like you just missed out on the new soft product! They already rolled it out before the new seat comes out in a few weeks (first flight on April 7th, according to the flight attendant and lounge staff, unless further delays which could happen).
    The menu has a few additions like cocktails (pre made but very good), and the new PJs made in collaboration with Jacquemus are next level. Extremely comfortable and sturdy, much more than the old ones, and also quite fashionable!

  10. Ralph4878 Gold

    @Ben "The paid drink selection wasn’t quite as high-end here as at some of Delta’s other lounges, but there were still some nice options." Silver Oak cab? Flowers chardonnay? In a SkyClub??? Come on, buddy...those are pretty fantastic pours for a non-Delta One club!

  11. claude depardieu Guest

    Wow what a fantastic looking flight/service. It's nice to see them get the catering out of a USA base fairly consistent with what you'd get flying out of PAR. I have found Houston catering on Long Haul asian flights (EVA etc) to be terrible compared to the opposite legs. Serious question here - I was discussing this last night at MIA airport with a fellow passenger: Realistically, how many more of these trips and this...

    Wow what a fantastic looking flight/service. It's nice to see them get the catering out of a USA base fairly consistent with what you'd get flying out of PAR. I have found Houston catering on Long Haul asian flights (EVA etc) to be terrible compared to the opposite legs. Serious question here - I was discussing this last night at MIA airport with a fellow passenger: Realistically, how many more of these trips and this lifestyle do you think you can sustain before the responsibility of taking care of your son becomes a bigger priority? Am genuinely interested on your opinion of this as I have close friends in somewhat similar situations and they all share the same concerns, and the weight of responsibility as the child gets older (they're 3 and 5 now) is becoming obvious when they are considering travel like this. Thanks!

    1. AeroB13a Guest

      Claude, jumping in on your post uninvited, you might like to know about my experiences.
      I was the son of a career military aviator. I too became a career military aviator.
      My childhood memories of my time with my father were always sensational. When he was at home he gave himself 100% to his family. While he was absent from home, yes we missed him, but he made up for it in other...

      Claude, jumping in on your post uninvited, you might like to know about my experiences.
      I was the son of a career military aviator. I too became a career military aviator.
      My childhood memories of my time with my father were always sensational. When he was at home he gave himself 100% to his family. While he was absent from home, yes we missed him, but he made up for it in other ways.
      I tried to emulate him and believe that I achieved the same results.
      International travel was something that both myself and my children grew up with. We coped and are definitely worldly wise because of it.

  12. Motion to Dismiss Diamond

    Could you have ordered one of the bottles of Champagne at the Sky Club, such as the Veuve Clicquot Rosé, at no cost?

    Also, glad you had Champagne available on the ground! I flew IAD-CDG in La Premiere last month and was told no wine until after takeoff.

    1. Ben Schlappig OMAAT

      @ Motion to Dismiss -- The bartender told us we could have whatever we wanted. I'd assume we could have ordered glasses of any champagne, though I'm not sure we would've necessarily been given the whole bottle (not that we would've wanted it anyway). Interesting that you had no champagne pre-departure, that's pretty disappointing.

    2. Sam Guest

      The issue with slow service in LP (for me) seems to only impact my ex-USA flights. Even when the cabin is not full (I’m saying even with 2-3 pax total) I’ve consistently found the service to be painfully slow on these CDG bound short red eye flights. Eager to see if the additional dedicated FA will make a difference.

    3. TravelinWilly Diamond

      “I flew IAD-CDG in La Premiere last month and was told no wine until after takeoff.”

      It’s always hit-or-miss ex IAD.

  13. GSNick Guest

    Does the Delta lounge drink menu look like it’s from a TGIF?

    1. Ben Schlappig OMAAT

      @ GSNick -- Now that you mention it... :p

  14. Fsuga Guest

    I think you meant to say your sleep was uninterrupted. Good review.

    1. Ben Schlappig OMAAT

      @ Fsuga -- Fixed, thank you!

  15. Mason Guest

    "Also a good idea to fly on Austrian after what will be a disappointing first class experience as AF is in Skyteam."

    - E39, an intellectual

    1. Mason Guest

      Yet you keep AeroB13a'izing yourself

  16. Héctor Guest

    Hi!
    Could you please do a piece on earning Flying Blue Status ? I’m based in the States and can’t figure out how to buy Delta marketed flights (ie LAX-JFK) through AF. I’ve considered trying to focus all my Delta spending on AF, but am finding it confusing !

    1. PaulG Member

      https://onemileatatime.com/insights/flying-blue-elite-status/

    2. VladG Diamond

      You seem to be confused - you don't need to buy through AF to credit to Flying Blue, a Delta-marketed flight will credit the same number of XPs as an AF-marketed one.

      If most of your flying is domestically within the USA, however, then Flying Blue is NOT the correct FFP for you for obtaining status! You will only get 2 XP per flight in Y and 6 XP in domestic F, which is extremely low.

    3. Ben Schlappig OMAAT

      @ Héctor -- That linked post by PaulG (thanks!) shares my experience, and the best pathway to status. And yeah, as mentioned by VladG, you don't actually have to book with Air France-KLM in order for a flight to qualify for status, as long as you're flying a SkyTeam airline.

    4. Joe212 New Member

      Thank you all...Delta just makes it hard to credit other airlines while booking through their portal. But it sounds from VladG since I am mostly a D1 Domestic flyer...my dream of redeeming into this product is not going to happen even if I switch to AF.

  17. D3SWI33 Guest

    The Chablis and burgundy La Tour sound exceptional.

  18. Art Vandy Guest

    How was the pinot noir?

    1. Ben Schlappig OMAAT

      @ Art Vandy -- I enjoyed it! Honestly, I'm not a huge red drinker, so I'm probably not the best to judge, but I was happy with my choice.

  19. PaulG Member

    Sorry for the ignorance - I have only flown F class once (on LH). Is it okay or frowned upon to take the pajamas and slippers with you? I saw a fellow passenger do it on LH so I did it because they are really nice, but thought about it later, and wasn't sure what the correct etiquette is. What about long haul Business class pajamas (UA Polaris, for example)?

    1. yoloswag420 Guest

      You generally keep everything they give to you.

      The only exception I know are the cardigans that Japanese airlines like to give out.

      PJ quality really varies, I'd say business class ones tend to be on the cheaper side, and I wouldn't keep them beyond the first or second set from an airline. For example, Qatar has some really low quality ones occasionally, as they don't have the same pajamas on every route. The best quality in business class is probably Starlux.

    2. PaulG Member

      Thanks! I assumed so, but I know that you cannot keep the headphones, or pillows, etc. So I wasn't sure if they considered pajamas like bedding that should be returned, or like an amenity kit that can be kept if desired.

    3. Mike Guest

      Beyond the first or second set from each airline? That sounds like an awful lot of pjs.

    4. PaulG Member

      Right. The question is whether one can take the first or second set.

    5. AeroB13a Guest

      PaulG, one is a staunch believer that there is no such thing as a stupid question …. only stupid answers!
      You should not feel embarrassed or feel that you are suffering from ignorance because you need to ask a question.
      One of the reasons why blogs like this are so popular is because you can usually find the answers to your many questions herein. After all …. every day is a school day,...

      PaulG, one is a staunch believer that there is no such thing as a stupid question …. only stupid answers!
      You should not feel embarrassed or feel that you are suffering from ignorance because you need to ask a question.
      One of the reasons why blogs like this are so popular is because you can usually find the answers to your many questions herein. After all …. every day is a school day, also, we all have something to learn.
      The hardest thing to deduce about this site is recognising the trolls who post a lot of waffle.

  20. Jacob Guest

    Is there some reason why several airlines like JAL and AF don’t have air nozzles on their first class cabins? Is it cheaper or something?

    1. Mike O. Guest

      I hope that more carriers catch on with their own HVAC controls in their first class cabins similar to EKs GC suites; AF, CXs potential first class suites and other fully enclosed suites that are basically like private rooms would be perfect.

  21. Samo Guest

    I believe the new La Premiere product will have two cabin crew working in the cabin, so this issue will be fixed soon :)

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Julia Guest

It really isn't mediocre. It's a very good product. Not just best in Europe, but one of the best worldwide. I'd take it over Lufthansa, Swiss, Thai, Qantas, British Airways, And Korean Air.

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You can find cash rates at airfrance.com.

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Jeremy Guest

I was fortunate to fly London to CDG and on to Montreal in La Premiere in 2010 .. and it was memorable. I was the only passenger in La Premiere, so it felt truly special. As regards the mention of the Global A380 .. I have zero interest in flying with them.

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