Read Flight Attendants’ Case Against United

Earlier I shared the story of the 13 United flight attendants who were fired for insubordination after refusing to operate a San Francisco to Hong Kong flight which had “BYE BYE” written on the tail cone.

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I’m not some overly security conscious person, but I’d find it very strange as well. Now admittedly if someone had bad intentions they probably wouldn’t write a message on the tail of the plane, though it’s still concerning. What I’m most concerned about isn’t the message as such, but how/why someone would write a message on the tail of a plane in a post-9/11 world.

And for that matter, after 9/11 you really can’t make any security related jokes at airports or on airplanes, and at the very least this could be interpreted as one. That’s a standard passengers are consistently held to, and surely it should apply to airport staff as well.

In this case the flight attendants simply requested to have the passengers removed and plane searched, which seems like a perfectly reasonable safety precaution to me. After all, safety is the absolute top priority of airlines.

When I wrote the post earlier I asked what I was missing. Well, Kevin forwarded the case that the flight attendants’ attorney have filed with OSHA, and it’s a fascinating read if you have a few minutes.

If you don’t have the time to read the case, here’s a very brief summary (though there’s much more to it):

  • The “BYE BYE” message was discovered when the first officer did a walk around of the plane, at which point he shared it with the other pilots, but not with the flight attendants (though he mentioned to one that there was a “disturbing image” on the tail)
  • The captain called supervisors and maintenance teams to look at the situation, while telling passengers they were dealing with a mechanical problem, and telling the purser that they were dealing with a “security concern”
  • Eventually all flight attendants learned about what was going on, and expressed concern about the situation, using words in line with their CRM protocol, including “concerned,” “uncomfortable,” and “safe” — the cockpit crew initially echoed the concerns
  • Maintenance crews inspected the tail cone and determined everything was fine, at which point the captain briefed the crew in groups, informing them that it was probably a “cute joke,” and that he was comfortable flying the plane, even though he didn’t know how/when the “joke” happened
  • The flight attendants requested that a full security sweep be done of the aircraft, though they were told that would take too long
  • At this point the base manager issued them a direct order to operate the flight, which is an order flight attendants must comply with unless they think it would endanger their safety
  • After they refused, the flight ended up being canceled, and after an investigation the flight attendants were terminated for “engaging in an act of insubordination” over “perceived and imagined” security concerns

To me this is just insane. There’s no doubt you could argue the crew was paranoid, though I don’t think anyone would argue that they were trying to create problems. Best I can tell they were Hong Kong based, and I’m sure they wanted to go home as much as anyone else. They had no incentive to delay the flight, so it wasn’t labor action, a pissing match with management, etc.

I believe they were genuinely concerned, and if anything, I think the airlines are to blame for creating this paranoia.

It’s amazing to think how in the US flight attendants really can’t be fired for providing crap service, while when they genuinely express concern over safety, that’s ground for termination…

I hope they get their jobs back.

What do you think about this case, given the full filing with OSHA?

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Ann Guest

Despite assertions of entering the 21st century, Airline Executives continue to engage in aberrant and hostile action inconsistent with safe flight operations and customer service. The executives also demonstrate a persistent and aggressive culture of covering up questionable to criminal conduct. For those who feel only Captains should have authority to make decisions: see Korean Airline crash history, U.S. airline deicing incident, etc. especially Ron who thinks only cockpit crews (and not cabin crews) have the expertise, training and responsibility to determine security risk.

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Joe Blow Guest

As you probably have learned the, 13 flight attendants were reinstated yesterday with a settlement , including not to pursue their OSHA case. As much as I think United knew they were going to lose this case.It's also proof that the flight attendants were in the right. During the times of legacy United this would never have happened. The supervisor at that time was terminated, but it should never gotten to that point. Legacy United always had a good relationship , but not perfect, with our union safety committee. Now that Continental's management is in charge , the relationship doesn't exist. Good luck flying the friendly skies!

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Megan Parker Guest

What ever happened to Crew Resource Management? Is that over now? I thought that the hierarchy flattening insured that any member of the crew could bring safety concerns forward. Remember Lexington, Kentucky? The pilots attempted to take off on an unlit runway that was too short. They ran into a field and killed everyone on board except the co-pilot. Would you have fired the flight attendant who objected to being on the wrong runway? The more people who have a voice in advocating safe practices, the better. A rigid hierarchy is dangerous. United Airlines should be fined for disciplining members of a crew whose responsibility is to report safety issues and to STOP the line until the problems are addressed.

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DEC New Member

Can't believe I was actually on that flight and all I got was a silly $350 voucher to be delayed 24 hours....no one knew this is the reason why our plane didn't take off that day!!!!

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Pu Guest

They "simply" wanted to deplane everyone and do a sweep? How thorough did they expect the sweep to be? Just some dogs, or to take the plane apart. If terrorists had access to the tail, you'd think they'd put the bomb somewhere hidden away and not inside the cabin. And if that's the case, what would a simple sweep accomplish.

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