Alaska Airlines’ Disappointing New Employee Vaccination Policy

Alaska Airlines’ Disappointing New Employee Vaccination Policy

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With a vaccine having received full FDA approval, we’ve now seen airlines start to either require vaccination, or penalize those who aren’t vaccinated. Frontier, Hawaiian, and United, have added vaccinate mandates for employees, while Delta has created strong incentives for employees to get vaccinated, in the form of adding a healthcare surcharge for unvaccinated employees.

Alaska Airlines has just announced an updated vaccination policy, and it leaves a lot to be desired.

Alaska Airlines stops short of requiring vaccination

Alaska Airlines has revealed that roughly 75% of the company’s workforce is vaccinated. The company doesn’t say “fully vaccinated,” so I’m not sure if we’re talking just one shot, or what. If so, Alaska Airlines employees are vaccinated at only a slightly higher rate than the general eligible population.

The company says that “this is good progress,” but that there’s “more work to do.” That’s why the airline is implementing new measures designed to increase vaccination rates and enhance the multi-layered approach to safety. Here are the new vaccine-related policies that Alaska Airlines is implementing:

  • Unvaccinated Alaska Airlines employees will have to get tested regularly
  • Unvaccinated Alaska Airlines employees will have to participate in a vaccine education program
  • Unvaccinated Alaska Airlines employees won’t receive special COVID pay if they’re absent due to exposure or infection
  • All Alaska Airlines new hires, effective immediately, will be required to be vaccinated
  • Alaska Airlines employees who provide proof of vaccination will receive a $200 payment
Alaska Airlines won’t require existing employees to get vaccinated

This is kind of weak…

Of the airlines that have announced serious plans to encourage employees to get vaccinated (in other words, not American Airlines, which will give you a lollipop and a pat on the back, or something), this is the least substantial policy we’ve seen so far.

Okay, so I kind of love the idea of unvaccinated employees having to undergo a vaccine education course, which is a brilliant idea. But aside from that, this policy is ridiculously weak. Essentially there’s a $200 bonus for getting vaccinated, and if you’re not vaccinated you’ll still have to test an unspecified number of times, and you won’t get special pay if you get sick with coronavirus.

That’s nowhere near a vaccine mandate, and doesn’t even come close to what Delta is doing (which was previously the weakest airline in this regard), as the airline is adding a $200 monthly healthcare surcharge for unvaccinated employees.

I find this especially strange for a company based in Seattle, with major hubs in San Francisco and Los Angeles (in other words, areas with high vaccination rates, and a general pro-vaccine attitude).

I don’t really get the message that Alaska Airlines is trying to send here either. The company states it’s committed to protecting employees and guests, agrees vaccination is the best way to do that, the vaccine now has full approval, yet the airline won’t require vaccination? I don’t understand the disconnect here…

Alaska Airlines has the weakest new policy among major US airlines

Bottom line

Alaska Airlines has become the latest carrier to announce new vaccine related policies following the Pfizer vaccine getting full FDA approval. However, the carrier’s restrictions are downright weak. It’s kind of funny that the airline will make unvaccinated employees attend a vaccine education course, but aside from that, the airline isn’t doing much to force people to get vaccinated.

The airline is giving a $200 reward to vaccinated employees, but otherwise unvaccinated employees just won’t get sick pay related to coronavirus, and also will have to test regularly. I’m confused by what message Alaska Airlines is trying to send.

What do you make of Alaska Airlines’ vaccine policy?

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  1. Adam Simmons

    I find it a hoot just how politicised Covid 19 has become in the USA. Here in Spain, anti-vaxxers have been reduced to the insignificant minority that they deserve to be. In Spain, over 90% of people aged 50+ are fully vaccinated and 63% of people in their 20s.

    Masks are compulsory in all indoor spaces: somehow, we survive.

  2. Wilhelm

    I’m all for vaccines, and fully vaccinated. But: health information, including vaccination status, is and should remain, confidential. In my country, your employer may not ask bor discriminate based on your health. There are very good reasons for this, including discrimination. Personally I think people who choose to not get vaccinated are fools, but it’s not against the law to be silly.

  3. D. Gremillion

    Everyone opposed to vaccine mandates needs to read more thoroughly about the world history of pandemics and vaccines and grateful they are not in an "iron lung" with polio. Amerians are mandated to do many things for the good of societyl Understanding risk/reward ratios is key. Covid variants are still evolving in part because of anti-vaxers.

  4. Bill

    What happen to herd immunity? King Fauci said we just need to attain herd immunity. Why make it a mandate if that is all we need to do. Oh yeah, don’t wear a mask, wear a mask.
    Those responsible parties in the medical community have done such an irresponsible job by not promoting treatments. They should be held responsible for the deaths of thousands.

    1. Tim Dunn

      There is only a black and white "hospitalized or dead and unvaccinated" but no natural immunity from a previous infection and hospitalized or dead.
      including natural immunity, the US is likely well beyond the 80% immunity theory.
      Either the 80% herd immunity doesn't apply to covid (which I suspect is the case but no one that talked about herd immunity is willing to come out and say that) or one part of the...

      There is only a black and white "hospitalized or dead and unvaccinated" but no natural immunity from a previous infection and hospitalized or dead.
      including natural immunity, the US is likely well beyond the 80% immunity theory.
      Either the 80% herd immunity doesn't apply to covid (which I suspect is the case but no one that talked about herd immunity is willing to come out and say that) or one part of the immunity - vaccinated or natural - is not working as well as previously stated.
      One way or the other, the unwillingness of US public health officials to talk about natural immunity while other countries are is part of the reason for doubt in alot of American's minds about covid strategies.

      And, specific to Alaska, I would really like to see data about how well airline employee groups compare to the generation population. I saw a statistic that 1/3 of the nurses at the U. of Cincinnati Medical Center said they would quit their jobs before they are forced to take a shot. We are on the verge of a major disaster if those numbers are true across other health care workforces - and may also be why airlines are not willing to push as hard as some hospitals have w/ vaccine mandates.

  5. JoeG

    You are at more risk taking a shower than from CV19.
    PS...the vaccines don't guarantee anything.
    What a cowardly take on a cowardly issue.

  6. Dalton

    @David, you are not going to get pregnant standing next to someone pregnant. You can get COVID that way. So this a question about public health and safety, not an attack specifically on a woman’s human and constitutional rights. You make such an ignorant argument and it is stunning how some only see Left vs. Right. How about just seeing What is Right! If you are such an anti-abortion champion, how would you feel about...

    @David, you are not going to get pregnant standing next to someone pregnant. You can get COVID that way. So this a question about public health and safety, not an attack specifically on a woman’s human and constitutional rights. You make such an ignorant argument and it is stunning how some only see Left vs. Right. How about just seeing What is Right! If you are such an anti-abortion champion, how would you feel about mandatory reversible vasectomy legislation? If you are such a champion for the lives of children, how about gun safety or even prohibiting the sale of fire arms to those with out specific training, including annual continuing training along with a background check? Hell, you have to get a background, living and criminal history check to rent an apartment, you’d think folks would not go nuts having to submit to the same thing to buy a weapon. Lastly, please read the constitution before you go all 2nd amend amendment on me, “well regulated militia,” understand that first.

  7. Jack

    When will we stop ignoring the fact that natural immunity is as effective if not more effective than the vaccines.

  8. Thomas

    Well, easy decision now: Don't use Alaska Airlines, they don't care about my safety.

  9. Scott

    stick to travel. When you leave travel it is clear you are idiot. You don't want that to be so clear.

  10. Ann

    thank you Alaska Airlines for a sane policy which allows for choice. where there is risk, there must be choice! I will fly you next time I can.

  11. Roxanne

    David,
    Please explain how my pregnancy could negatively affect you so I can understand how this is possibly correlate.

  12. Alan

    It is almost as if no one reads the news from Israel and other highly vaccinated countries. The vaccine is not preventing infection in more and more individuals. I would much prefer everyone be tested as being vaccinated is little guarantee.
    https://www.juliusruechel.com/2021/09/the-snake-oil-salesmen-and-covid-zero.html

    1. jallan

      Vaccine keeps people out of the hospitals. Texas, Florida, Georgia - out or nearly out of ICU beds because of all the Covid patients, who are overwhelmingly unvaxed. There isn't room for people who have heart attacks, get in car accidents, fall down, get shot, etc. So yeah, being vaccinated isn't a guarantee you won't get Covid, or can't spread it, but you're much less likely to get seriously ill if you are vaccinated.

  13. Sir Walter Raleigh

    They need to do this or risk losing the ditzy PNW hicks that make up their workforce.

    Stick to real airlines. Stick to California and tje Northeast until this blows over.

    1. PNW hick

      PNW hicks. Haha for sure.

  14. Cmorgan

    I think this is a great policy which is fair to both sides. Don’t understand you’re concern.

  15. JimB

    Yikes guys. Vaccinated individuals had 27 times higher risk of symptomatic COVID infection compared to those with natural immunity. It's time for passports only for those with prior COVID disease, while excluding the vaccinated, as they have weaker immunity.

    I applaud Sweden for banning all travelers from Israel, which is disease-ridden.

    PS-I got vaccinated way back in January, but find these policies insulting. We should have hit early and hard on vulnerable populations. The rest...

    Yikes guys. Vaccinated individuals had 27 times higher risk of symptomatic COVID infection compared to those with natural immunity. It's time for passports only for those with prior COVID disease, while excluding the vaccinated, as they have weaker immunity.

    I applaud Sweden for banning all travelers from Israel, which is disease-ridden.

    PS-I got vaccinated way back in January, but find these policies insulting. We should have hit early and hard on vulnerable populations. The rest are none of anyone's business. (Including yours, dear reader.)

    1. Tim Dunn

      Naturally acquired immunity is very much a part of how to combat the disease but the CDC isn't interested in it - and so ignores it.

      Those that repeatedly bring up Southern States including Florida would do well to actually bother to sort per capita death rates. If they did, they would see that there are precisely FIVE NORTHERN US states in the worst 10 US states by per capita death rates and FOUR...

      Naturally acquired immunity is very much a part of how to combat the disease but the CDC isn't interested in it - and so ignores it.

      Those that repeatedly bring up Southern States including Florida would do well to actually bother to sort per capita death rates. If they did, they would see that there are precisely FIVE NORTHERN US states in the worst 10 US states by per capita death rates and FOUR SOUTHERN STATES plus one MOUNTAIN state.
      Florida is 17th on the per capita list and Texas is below the national average as of Friday's data.
      Washington State - Alaska Airlines' home state- is #45. Some would do well to remember that the first major covid outbreak occurred in Washington state. They learned from what happened and protected their seniors far better than a dozen NE and Midwest states.
      We could actually solve this pandemic if people would actually follow the data instead of inserting their own narratives which are actually counter to data.
      AS employees are not likely to be above average in covid infection rates.

    2. EC2

      Sweden is smart. Everyone ignores what is happening in Israel because it doesn’t support or confirm one’s bias. If we were really concerned with cases and the spreading of new cases then I would expect Lucky to support that all airline employees get tested regularly. Would seem logical. Eventually we will get a new variant that will evade vaccines. It would take Pfizer 3 months to develop a new vaccine and then you have to...

      Sweden is smart. Everyone ignores what is happening in Israel because it doesn’t support or confirm one’s bias. If we were really concerned with cases and the spreading of new cases then I would expect Lucky to support that all airline employees get tested regularly. Would seem logical. Eventually we will get a new variant that will evade vaccines. It would take Pfizer 3 months to develop a new vaccine and then you have to have lead time to distribute then the vaxxers have to get their 2 shots over a month. Why wouldn’t you want a robust testing program in place? Vaccines effectiveness wanes over time. So are employees good forever if double vaccinated?

  16. Brian

    Two new thoughts: people who are vaccinated have 200+ times the amount of virus in their nasal passages compared to the unvaccinated, making them more likely to spread disease alas. This makes sense because the injected mrna machine never stops making the spike protein, as far as we can tell. Also, the spike protein antibodies your body produces after vaccination can cause a cytokine storm in some people after re-infection with a coronavirus, which is...

    Two new thoughts: people who are vaccinated have 200+ times the amount of virus in their nasal passages compared to the unvaccinated, making them more likely to spread disease alas. This makes sense because the injected mrna machine never stops making the spike protein, as far as we can tell. Also, the spike protein antibodies your body produces after vaccination can cause a cytokine storm in some people after re-infection with a coronavirus, which is why people who have recovered from Covid should neither get the flu vaccine (coronavirus) nor the vaccine itself. Less people are dying because viruses naturally become more infectious but less deadly as they mutate. But please watch out for Covid symptoms and get treatment immediately, especially with steroids.

  17. Mburton

    DAVID you said it perfectly Amigo! It's wrong to apply it to some and not to all. I'm vaccinated, myself, but had I been "required" NO WAY does anyone tell me what to put in my body. No one made me take the Covid vaccine, but I did. I've taken the flu shot... because we knew more about it than this vaccine. It is unbelievable that the healthcare workers who worked the months of the...

    DAVID you said it perfectly Amigo! It's wrong to apply it to some and not to all. I'm vaccinated, myself, but had I been "required" NO WAY does anyone tell me what to put in my body. No one made me take the Covid vaccine, but I did. I've taken the flu shot... because we knew more about it than this vaccine. It is unbelievable that the healthcare workers who worked the months of the pandemic, risking their own well being, without a vaccine, are now being forced to take the vaccine or lose their jobs!

    FREEDOM ... TO CHOOSE... shouldn't THAT be what we are most concerned about in our country....

    I did not feel that David's recital of "My Body, My Decision" reflected a view of abortion, but rather, the PRINCIPAL FREEDOM that the statement reflects.

    IS IT OUR BODY AND OUR DECISION OR NOT?

  18. jetjock64

    Leave it to @David to attempt to turn an all-consuming public health issue into a political diatribe. Anti-science, anti-good government, anti-American . . .

  19. Eileen Kerrigan

    "With a vaccine having received full FDA approval, ..."

    Please be aware that none of the AVAILABLE vaccines have received "full FDA approval." The Pfizer that has been approved (COMIRNATY) is not yet available. The others ("regular" Pfizer COVID vaccine, Moderna, J&J, etc.) are still only under the EUA. And even the "approved" vaccine, COMIRNATY, is not approved for use as a third "booster" shot or for kids ages 12-15.

    The fact that almost...

    "With a vaccine having received full FDA approval, ..."

    Please be aware that none of the AVAILABLE vaccines have received "full FDA approval." The Pfizer that has been approved (COMIRNATY) is not yet available. The others ("regular" Pfizer COVID vaccine, Moderna, J&J, etc.) are still only under the EUA. And even the "approved" vaccine, COMIRNATY, is not approved for use as a third "booster" shot or for kids ages 12-15.

    The fact that almost no media outlets bother to mention this should raise more than a few red flags.

    1. chris

      False. You should be embarrassed. The Pfizer vaccine that is fully approved is the exact same vaccine that was give EUA. Now that Pfizer has been given full approval, it will give the vaccine a brand name.

      I don't know where you get your information from, but you should delete your message. People post opinions here, but blatantly false comments should be deleted.

  20. No name

    Sara that's very sexist of you to disparage someone's opinion based on their sex and even more to assume his sex. Sounds like even more liberal hypocrisy.

  21. brizone

    Remember that it wasn't actually very long ago when AS was still distributing cards on every flight that proselytized superstitious christian mumbo jumbo scripture along with the snacks. Of course they're ignorant anti-vaxxers at heart! What did you expect?!? They're too greedy to let the other airlines get a leg up on them with this, thus implementing a half-measure so they can market themselves as "safe" instead of batshit crazy.

  22. Max Gross

    Sure, I support your right to choose not to get vaccinated but not by holding me hostage to mask mandates, freedom of assembly, quarantines, travel restrictions, etc. Pay the minor price for your choice and hope, maybe unrealistically, that you don't pay the ultimate price.

    1. Eileen Kerrigan

      Even if everyone was vaccinated, we'd all still be "held hostage to mask mandates, freedom of assembly, quarantines, travel restrictions, etc." Case in point: this article on quarantine and testing mandates for VACCINATED travelers in the Netherlands.

      The official website of the government of the Netherlands suggests that:

      * As of September 4, 2021, vaccinated Americans will have to quarantine upon arrival; the quarantine will be for 10 days, but can be cut in half...

      Even if everyone was vaccinated, we'd all still be "held hostage to mask mandates, freedom of assembly, quarantines, travel restrictions, etc." Case in point: this article on quarantine and testing mandates for VACCINATED travelers in the Netherlands.

      The official website of the government of the Netherlands suggests that:

      * As of September 4, 2021, vaccinated Americans will have to quarantine upon arrival; the quarantine will be for 10 days, but can be cut in half (to five days) with testing
      * As of September 6, vaccinated Americans will need a negative coronavirus test to even enter the country, which wasn’t previously required

      https://onemileatatime.com/news/netherlands-quarantine-vaccinated-americans/?&utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=today_on_omaat&utm_term=2021-09-03

  23. Memento

    As a company made up of human beings who would like to encourage other human beings to use their service they should mandate the vaccine for everyone unless there is a valid medical reason not to. Anyone who likes their “freedom” not to be vaccinated can work elsewhere. It is a free country but freedom has it’s cost. We need to start making people pay for it.

  24. H.Jeanne

    It isn't just "my body myself." If "your body" is harboring the coronavirus, the bodies around you will be next, as this virus is aerosol and droplet spread. Don't any remember basic biology? We vaccinate against Measles, Whooping Cough, Diptheria, Polio, etc., because they spread like wildfire; but, thanks to vaccination they have been nearly eradicated.
    This vaccine is not "new." The m-RNA science was discovered (not 'invented') 30 years ago and has been...

    It isn't just "my body myself." If "your body" is harboring the coronavirus, the bodies around you will be next, as this virus is aerosol and droplet spread. Don't any remember basic biology? We vaccinate against Measles, Whooping Cough, Diptheria, Polio, etc., because they spread like wildfire; but, thanks to vaccination they have been nearly eradicated.
    This vaccine is not "new." The m-RNA science was discovered (not 'invented') 30 years ago and has been used prior to this time for a previous SARS epidemic.

    Millions upon millions of doses of the vaccine have been given since December 2020. Women are still getting pregnant, their babies are born, and sperm counts remain high.

    Finally, realize that new discoveries in science and medicine are often laughed off at first. Three examples are: the smallpox vaccination (18th c.), the use of hand washing with soap and water to stop the spread of bacteria (Ignatz Semmeilweiz, M.D. 19th c.), Angioplasty (Chas Theodore Dotter, M.D., Oregon, 1960s!!) At first Dr. Dotter's brilliant procedure was scorned, but not for long! Within a year the technique had been taught all over Europe. Now, world wide, billions of lives have been saved by angiograms and angioplasties, very common cardio-thoracic procedures.

    The covid-19 vaccination should be as common as are all other vaccines used to keep at bay killing viruses. Get yours, save your life, the life of someone in your family, and of your friends.

    1. Eileen Kerrigan

      "If "your body" is harboring the coronavirus, the bodies around you will be next, as this virus is aerosol and droplet spread."

      This is true even if you are vaccinated.

  25. Sarah

    @David, getting the vaccine increases the odds of you not being hospitalized and overwhelming the system and it also increases the odds of you being unlikely to give Covid to someone else who might not be vaccinated. Abortion affects one person and one person only, the woman having to deal with the pregnancy (no, a fetus is not a person). There is no "liberal hypocrisy". Just ignorant counter arguments to "my body, my rights" from people who can't get pregnant.

  26. Tony

    Too bad there was not a mandate a year ago when we had a chance to beat this thing. Now all the unvacs created mutant strains which will be around for a long time.

    So thanks unvacs for risking my life for longer. For making making it essential to keep wearing mask. Pretty much all the reasons you didnt get the vac. We could of been done with this with a free shot and a sore arm but guess its your choice to keep us repressed.

    1. EC2

      Too bad that you actually believe that. Israel counters your claim that vaccinations are the key to a no cases Utopia. 80% fully vaxxed and almost 30% triple vaxxed. Record case rates and to vaxxed and unvaccinated proportionally.

    2. UA-NYC

      Basically the only people dying or being hospitalized from Covid right now are the anti-vaxxers. You want to be among them?

  27. Ernie Peters

    Of course “disinformation” is just information someone else disagrees with.

    Mandates are wrong. Don’t ask me if I’m vaccinated unless your my doctor.

  28. Miena Jobisness

    If you don't like the policy then don't use the business.

    Besides, if you follow the science if YOU are vaccinated, the chances of you becoming even seriously ill with COVID are so small as to not be worth worrying about. Most of the people trying to make this point have never gotten an influenza shot either, even though in most years 60,000 people die a year from the flu in the US alone....

    If you don't like the policy then don't use the business.

    Besides, if you follow the science if YOU are vaccinated, the chances of you becoming even seriously ill with COVID are so small as to not be worth worrying about. Most of the people trying to make this point have never gotten an influenza shot either, even though in most years 60,000 people die a year from the flu in the US alone.

    So spare us the mock outrage, because if you were serious about other people, you'd take your flu shot and demand everyone else get one too.

    1. Burt

      60,000per year < 600,000 in one year with social distancing and restrictions. Last I heard, the flu vaccine is a lot less effective than the covid vaccing, although not sure with new variant. The flu vaccine works similar to the covid vaccine in that it prevents severe illness. Regardless, I take the flu one because I have kids. At the end of the day, nobody wants anybody to get sick, so we can agree on...

      60,000per year < 600,000 in one year with social distancing and restrictions. Last I heard, the flu vaccine is a lot less effective than the covid vaccing, although not sure with new variant. The flu vaccine works similar to the covid vaccine in that it prevents severe illness. Regardless, I take the flu one because I have kids. At the end of the day, nobody wants anybody to get sick, so we can agree on that.
      The reason vaccinated people want other people to get vaccinated is so we can all get back to a normal life, protect those people that can't get a vaccine or choose not to. Once my kids are able to get one, I personally won't be too concerned. Most people with kids under 12 are a lot more cautious than the rest of the population in terms of covid.

  29. Mike

    Why is this policy not good enough for you? So employees who are not vaccinated will have to undergo frequent testing among other things and people who do get vaccinated won't have to do that and will also get a bonus. Seems pretty reasonable to me.

  30. derek

    @David writes So when it comes to abortion liberals say "My body my choice" but that doesn't apply to an individual's right to choose to get a vaccine or not? What happened to your medical choices are between you and your doctor. I'm vaccinated, and think anyone who didn't get vaccinated has made the wrong choice, but at the end of the day, it's an individual right to choose. Once again, liberals get caught up...

    @David writes So when it comes to abortion liberals say "My body my choice" but that doesn't apply to an individual's right to choose to get a vaccine or not? What happened to your medical choices are between you and your doctor. I'm vaccinated, and think anyone who didn't get vaccinated has made the wrong choice, but at the end of the day, it's an individual right to choose. Once again, liberals get caught up in their own hypocrisy.
    ----
    So conservatives say "my body, not my choice". So why are some (not all) conservatives against mask mandates and vaccine mandates?

    No side can claim that have it all correct.

  31. Netty

    AS isn’t entirely stupid. They know that they will loose a valuable percentage of employees ie specifically pilots (who do not want this jab)... If they mandate push and fire those who believe in medical freedom the airline will cease operations. This article is unbelievable and whoever wrote this fascist drivel is a moron!!

  32. Lisa

    "Bottom line: the airline isn’t doing much to force people to get vaccinated." This is from your written and published article. What country do you live in? How are you in the right to use the word "FORCE"? This day and age a discussion cannot be made with individuals that their choices are run by feelings alone. I am so tired of hearing that a person isn't being compassionate if he or she does not...

    "Bottom line: the airline isn’t doing much to force people to get vaccinated." This is from your written and published article. What country do you live in? How are you in the right to use the word "FORCE"? This day and age a discussion cannot be made with individuals that their choices are run by feelings alone. I am so tired of hearing that a person isn't being compassionate if he or she does not choose to be vaccinated. We live in the land of the free. There are consequences/cause and effects to all decisions made by an individual. You don't have to like it, we each have our free will to decide for ourselves.

    1. gstork

      I don't understand how we got to this place where there is so much suspicion about public health (which is based on science). Two administrations ago (pre-COVID), the vast majority of Americans didn't think twice about getting their young children fully vaccinated, and didn't question the reasons why keeping Measles, Polio, TB etc out of our lives was important. Annual flu shots was standard practice for many.

      Now suddenly, public health is subversive and ripe...

      I don't understand how we got to this place where there is so much suspicion about public health (which is based on science). Two administrations ago (pre-COVID), the vast majority of Americans didn't think twice about getting their young children fully vaccinated, and didn't question the reasons why keeping Measles, Polio, TB etc out of our lives was important. Annual flu shots was standard practice for many.

      Now suddenly, public health is subversive and ripe with conspiracies of deep state. On a global level no less...

      I get people hate being told what to do. However, today the vast majority of people put their seatbelts on when they get behind the wheel. They also make sure their children are strapped in before the car moves. 40+ years ago, seat belts were mandated for safety purposes. People were mad, but eventually everyone started doing it because it made sense and saves lives, and they didn't want to get a ticket for non-compliance. Now the prevailing attitude is I don't give a flip about anyone else, don't tell me what to do even if it risks others' lives.

      Bravo Amurikuh!

    2. Tim Dunn

      You might start w/ the fact that it is almost certain that the US government invested in research at the very lab where investigators strongly consider the possibility that covid escaped.
      And then the same leaders in the US government that authorized that funding are now managing the US' covid management strategies.
      It's really not that hard to figure out that you can't play both sides of any issue.

    3. gstork

      Thanks Rand Paul. Very enlightening.

  33. G0pack

    @David

    Funny thing about hypocracy, it goes BOTH ways. "Conservatives" do not believe in a woman's right to choose, but are fighting mad when someone tries to make them do something they don't like. Whether it is wear a mask or take a vaccine.

    Oh, and if someone decides to get an Abortion, it has ZERO physical medical impact on anyone else. You could walk past that person in the grocery or sit in a...

    @David

    Funny thing about hypocracy, it goes BOTH ways. "Conservatives" do not believe in a woman's right to choose, but are fighting mad when someone tries to make them do something they don't like. Whether it is wear a mask or take a vaccine.

    Oh, and if someone decides to get an Abortion, it has ZERO physical medical impact on anyone else. You could walk past that person in the grocery or sit in a bar next to them for hours and it would not cause you physical harm.

    You can't say the same about covid. Hence, one side is VERY hypoctrical and the other actually has a justification for there decisions.

    1. Vinod

      GOpack, What about the unborn child's right to live? The unborn child has the right to choose life!

  34. Desperado

    I am pro vaccine, but I find the Delta policy outrageous.

    Is Delta going to add a $200 surcharge for obese employees?

    The costs obese employees incur for health related expenses greatly outweigh COVID.

    The virus is a real issue. I’m not a quack. But we need to get a grip on the larger health issues our population has that have made the pandemic worse.

    78% of hospitalized patients obese - I don’t want to make anyone feel bad, but overconsumption is the issue.

    1. Mike

      I 100% agree with you. If our country had a better focus on good overall health, we would have seen so many fewer deaths from Covid. Adding a surcharge for obesity would be considered discriminatory but somehow doing the same to people who aren't crazy about the Covid vaccines is ok? Both people are making the choice to do something potentially detrimental to their personal health, right?

    2. Chris in BZN

      Yes, facts are such difficult things. As for the last statement, the science behind mRNA vaccines was mostly the brainchild and hard work of an immigrant scientist in the US: Katalin Karikó. When others doubted the techniques, she pushed forward. The mRNA techniques for vaccines were ready for prime time after more than a decade of research just in time for companies like BioNTech and Moderna to push them into production when they were needed.

  35. Den

    This is a weak policy.
    Who’s paying the cost of the additional testing?
    Will unvaccinated employees be “customer facing”, ie, on the airplanes, working the counters?
    This really makes we want to patronize Delta or Alaska whenever possible.

  36. Ron F

    Has a lot to do with the fact that Alaska employees have a strong union, as opposed to a company like Delta which is ununionized.

    I'm sure they'd love to do more but there are limits to what they can do to existing employees covered under the current contract.

  37. David Eduardo

    As a senior traveler (with lifetime 5 million miles), I am very concerned with the risk factor in travel. I won't use any airline where I can not be sure that both the flight and ground crew as well as other passengers are vaccinated.

    If this means not flying for another year or two, so be it. Nobody has the right to make me sick.

  38. Kevin L Schmadeka

    WHY such a huge push for this vax? Since when did government care so much about people's health?

    This vax, which has suddenly lost all its effectiveness, decimates your ability to produce natural antibodies. Take the shot, and you may be dependent on boosters for life. In order to live. Boosters that are proving to have exponentially greater dangerous side effects with every shot. You have turned your immune system into a subscription service,

    ...

    WHY such a huge push for this vax? Since when did government care so much about people's health?

    This vax, which has suddenly lost all its effectiveness, decimates your ability to produce natural antibodies. Take the shot, and you may be dependent on boosters for life. In order to live. Boosters that are proving to have exponentially greater dangerous side effects with every shot. You have turned your immune system into a subscription service,

    Tie that to your "passport", which Australia has just announced will also be tied to your "social credit" (giving us a preview of what's ahead for every other country), and you have a totalitarian's dream come true. Get this shot and carry that passport, and they own you forever.

    1. GBOAC

      Kevin:
      Please provide some evidence of your wild statement that "This vax, which has suddenly lost all its effectiveness," Otherwise STFU.

  39. Kelikaku Coutin

    The vaccine that the FDA approved was made by Phizer, but it's not the same as the vaccine that is being distributed. That's a newer version, not yet being distributed.

  40. Bill Wild

    Why do so few people see that the government is behind the support for these companies mandating vaccination? How far are we from being completely at the mercy of the government, which is Socialism at its' core. What else are you willing to do or take or allow to be done to your body because you want/need to work. Disregard the fact that a democratic White House wants more government and less independence. When the...

    Why do so few people see that the government is behind the support for these companies mandating vaccination? How far are we from being completely at the mercy of the government, which is Socialism at its' core. What else are you willing to do or take or allow to be done to your body because you want/need to work. Disregard the fact that a democratic White House wants more government and less independence. When the gov't is controlling your body what do you have left as a free citizen. Who's regulating slavery now? Ouch!!!

  41. Bill B.

    I find flying a tough enough choice nowadays as it is, so there is no imaginable way I would fly on an airline that does not require its employees to be vaccinated. I haven't flown in a while, but living on the west coast for the past 30 years I used to use this airline pretty frequently particularly between Seattle and San Diego. I can't foresee how this will help their business at all. What's...

    I find flying a tough enough choice nowadays as it is, so there is no imaginable way I would fly on an airline that does not require its employees to be vaccinated. I haven't flown in a while, but living on the west coast for the past 30 years I used to use this airline pretty frequently particularly between Seattle and San Diego. I can't foresee how this will help their business at all. What's to gain?! People who won't fly on planes with vaccinated employees! There's no logic here.

  42. Phil

    David - I agree with you about the hypocrisy, but you fail to mention that Republicans are just as hypocritical. They say "my body my choice" when it comes to the vaccine, but not when it comes to abortion. So hypocrisy on both sides.

    1. Vinod

      The difference with abortion is that "my body, my choice" DOES NOT apply - there is no hypocrisy. There is a live unborn child at the point of conception (regardless of what the liberals / lefties / communists / socialists will have you believe). We, the pro-life movement, are the voice for the unborn child, who has as much value in the eyes of God as the mother. Psalm 139:14

    2. GBOAC

      The beauty of the American system is that Vinod has the right to think that there is a live unborn child at the moment of conception (and base actions on that) while others are allowed to make a different decision (based on biology and science) as to when the fetus becomes a viable human being, Vinod I respect your right to believe what you believe but you need to respect mine as well.
      BTW...

      The beauty of the American system is that Vinod has the right to think that there is a live unborn child at the moment of conception (and base actions on that) while others are allowed to make a different decision (based on biology and science) as to when the fetus becomes a viable human being, Vinod I respect your right to believe what you believe but you need to respect mine as well.
      BTW there are a large number of conservative and religious folk who also believe that it's the individual woman's choice what to do with her body.

    3. Vinod

      Of course, GBOAC, it's not my opinion - it's what the BIBLE says.

    4. UA-NYC

      Did the Earth begin ~6,000 years ago too?

    5. gstork

      Also interesting to note that our society permits all Americans (prior to the recent passing of TX's laws) legal access to abortions. In fact, there are many conservative people who have exercised their right to access an abortion for an unplanned pregnancy, even though they don't fundamentally agree with it, and believe it's immoral.

  43. ralf

    Lucky, is it clear if it's Alaska Air Group or just Alaska Airlines? I suspect the Horizon staff operating in very small mountain west communities may be more averse to the vax. The parent company may value their presence as employees vs having possible labor shortages at these small outstations.

  44. Bruce

    I'll be flying Delta out of Seattle because of this. Their choice, my choice.

  45. Don

    Is anyone really that surprised that the US government would waste billions supporting a vaccine that doesn’t really work?
    Also, 2 shots isn’t fully vaccinated anymore. You’re gonna see less than half the population “fully vaccinated” once 3 shots is mandated.

    1. FMLAX

      Doesn't really work? What makes you say that?

    2. Chris in BZN

      Looks like Don has been seeing Dr. Facebook and Dr. Tucker again instead of, you know, people who know something. Look at the charts at https://www.sciencenews.org/article/covid-coronavirus-vaccines-hospital-cases-rates-unvaccinated. The data shows rates of hospitalization for COVID-19 for vaccinated and unvaccinated people in states ranging from blue CA and CT to purple GA to red Ohio and Tennessee. As the delta variant spreads over the past months, hospitalization of vaccinated folks stays around 1 per 100,000 people, while...

      Looks like Don has been seeing Dr. Facebook and Dr. Tucker again instead of, you know, people who know something. Look at the charts at https://www.sciencenews.org/article/covid-coronavirus-vaccines-hospital-cases-rates-unvaccinated. The data shows rates of hospitalization for COVID-19 for vaccinated and unvaccinated people in states ranging from blue CA and CT to purple GA to red Ohio and Tennessee. As the delta variant spreads over the past months, hospitalization of vaccinated folks stays around 1 per 100,000 people, while hospitalization of the unvaccinated races up to 20 per 100,000 people by just July 24. Similar data for deaths, with 99.1% of COVID-19 deaths in New Jersey in unvaccinated folks. These are facts, not opinions. It really is quite simple: The people clogging our hospitals, wasting our health care dollars, hogging hospital beds needed by those with other serious illnesses, driving our nurses and doctors to exhaustion and quitting, and infecting other folks are those who choose not to be responsible citizens by getting themselves vaccinated with a scientific wonder that came from the best the US has to offer: smart, dedicated, hardworking scientists.

    3. Jack Mioff

      "The Pfizer–BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine (INN: tozinameran), sold under the brand name Comirnaty, is an mRNA-based COVID-19 vaccine developed by the German biotechnology company BioNTech."

      I won't even get into your other fascist minded drivel, I will just correct your last really ignorant statement

  46. Katie

    What about those with valid medical exemptions per the CDC and FDA guidelines? Are they penalized as well?

    1. EC2

      Or prior infection which is much better than any vaccine.

  47. John

    Does anyone else find it strange that the Moderna or Maderna (however you spell it, amiright?) came out with their vaccine 3 days after Pfizer announced theirs to the world? The statistical likelihood of that happening is 0.8%? Ironically, that's a much smaller likelihood than these vaccines claim to be ineffective. Just so weird, and definitely NOT a money making scheme.

    1. UA-NYC

      Or, maybe because mRNA technology had been around for decades, and they both started in w/Covid once the virus sequence was analyzed and released?

      F off.

    2. Sfoflyer

      Been around for decades and never worked. These vaccines are the only product ever to come to market for Moderna and BioNTech.

  48. Edgar

    To David on his belief abortion rights are the same as forced vaccination are the same: No one forces you to be vaccinated or to wear a mask. There are simply consequences if you chose not to, just as there are consequences when you chose not to wear pants in public. As to abortion, to believe that a raped female should be forced to carry the product of that rape to birth, is simply evil....

    To David on his belief abortion rights are the same as forced vaccination are the same: No one forces you to be vaccinated or to wear a mask. There are simply consequences if you chose not to, just as there are consequences when you chose not to wear pants in public. As to abortion, to believe that a raped female should be forced to carry the product of that rape to birth, is simply evil. It is a policy the Devil himself could love. There is no equivalency between encouraging vaccination and banning abortion.

  49. Todd Roberts

    "@jeff: So when it comes to abortion liberals say "My body my choice" but that doesn't apply to an individual's right to choose to get a vaccine or not? What happened to your medical choices are between you and your doctor. I'm vaccinated, and think anyone who didn't get vaccinated has made the wrong choice, but at the end of the day, it's an individual right to choose. Once again, liberals get caught up in...

    "@jeff: So when it comes to abortion liberals say "My body my choice" but that doesn't apply to an individual's right to choose to get a vaccine or not? What happened to your medical choices are between you and your doctor. I'm vaccinated, and think anyone who didn't get vaccinated has made the wrong choice, but at the end of the day, it's an individual right to choose. Once again, liberals get caught up in their own hypocrisy."

    You're bizarrely comparing abortion to vaccines. And you don't understand how completely ridiculous it is to do that. And then you naively divide the US population into just two groups: liberal or conservative. We aren't all robots and there aren't solely two groups of individuals in the US. One person can actually be somewhat liberal on one subject, somewhat conservative on another, etc. That isn't uncommon. Until you understand that you won't be able to have an intelligent conservation on important subjects with another person. Time to educate yourself.

  50. John

    Are we all still ignoring the fact that it doesn't matter if we are all vaccinated here in the US or not? Last time I checked, a virus will always adapt to survive, and so as long as other countries continue to have 10% vaccination status or whatever, a new variant will come out, and likely only a matter of time that one that will eat through this vaccine immunity. Just accept that we will have to live with this virus..just like the flu

  51. Mike Lincoln

    Why is this so hard to explain and understand? If you "choose" to act irresponsibly and put everyone at risk, why should we tolerate you? You have the freedom to not get vaccinated or call your boss an idiot, but we have the freedom to make sure you pay the consequences of bad, risky behavior. Part of the problem, or part of the solution, pick one and live with it.

  52. Mike

    @Charles, you know the difference between a government legislation and company policies, right?

    1. Charles

      When did I say I didn't?

  53. Richard

    Vaccination affects other people, not just the person getting vaccinated. And yes, vaccines -- including the current covid vaccines -- are actually effective at reducing disease transmission. We have at least 50 years' worth of experience to support this observation. If you disagree, then you need to go work in a hospital for a while.

    Inventing a "right to choose" for everything that might affect other people is just handwaving, suitable for internet fantasyland but...

    Vaccination affects other people, not just the person getting vaccinated. And yes, vaccines -- including the current covid vaccines -- are actually effective at reducing disease transmission. We have at least 50 years' worth of experience to support this observation. If you disagree, then you need to go work in a hospital for a while.

    Inventing a "right to choose" for everything that might affect other people is just handwaving, suitable for internet fantasyland but not for real life. You could just as well say that everybody has a "right to choose" whether to run red lights or to fart in elevators, too, but nobody wants a world that actually works that way! Even toddlers understand that living in a civil society requires a certain amount of cooperation with others.

    Commercial aviation provides an obvious mechanism for spreading contagious diseases. Alaska, like all airlines, has a responsibility to its customers (and to its employees) to minimize health risks during the covid pandemic. This article says that Alaska is falling down on that -- and if the facts are correct, then I agree.

    1. Jeffrey I Chang

      "Vaccination affects other people, not just the person getting vaccinated. And yes, vaccines -- including the current covid vaccines -- are actually effective at reducing disease transmission."
      But not 100%? Such a vaccinated FA could still spread covid while a unvaccinated FA that tested negative could not. Unless they test all crew the greatest danger for spreading COVID is in fact the vaccinated.

      "Alaska, like all airlines, has a responsibility to its customers...

      "Vaccination affects other people, not just the person getting vaccinated. And yes, vaccines -- including the current covid vaccines -- are actually effective at reducing disease transmission."
      But not 100%? Such a vaccinated FA could still spread covid while a unvaccinated FA that tested negative could not. Unless they test all crew the greatest danger for spreading COVID is in fact the vaccinated.

      "Alaska, like all airlines, has a responsibility to its customers (and to its employees) to minimize health risks during the covid pandemic."
      Then they should require a negative PCR test from all customer and crew regardless of vaccination.

    2. Richard

      The problem with what you're saying is that nothing is as absolute as you might think! A person's immune system cannot react to an infectious agent until the person is infected, right? There is a period of time -- hours to days in the case of covid-19 -- during which the virus can reproduce in an infected person's body. But in a person whose immune system is primed, either by vaccination or by prior infection,...

      The problem with what you're saying is that nothing is as absolute as you might think! A person's immune system cannot react to an infectious agent until the person is infected, right? There is a period of time -- hours to days in the case of covid-19 -- during which the virus can reproduce in an infected person's body. But in a person whose immune system is primed, either by vaccination or by prior infection, that period of time is much shorter than it is in a non-immune person.

      For this reason, a successful vaccine (like the covid-19 vaccines) is never "100%" as you suggest. But in practice, that doesn't matter as long as the vaccine is good enough to a) give your immune system enough of a head start that it can eliminate your infection before it makes you sick, and b) ensure that an infected person passes the disease on to fewer than one other person (on average) so that the infection quits spreading.

      There's nothing absolute about any of this, but it's well-known science and well supported by experience with many other illnesses and vaccines (not just covid).

      Of course, testing is useful, too, but either way we're still talking about risk, not about something that's all-or-nothing. When you say "a vaccinated FA could still spread covid," you're right, but it's pretty damn unlikely. When you say "a unvaccinated FA that tested negative could not," you're making the same point (although that FA could get infected after they were tested and before they met you!).

      Either way, it's just easier to vaccinate than to test everybody every single time they might have been in contact with the virus. We'd never have suppressed polio, diphtheria, whooping cough, et al. if we had relied on testing instead of vaccination. With certain diseases -- TB for example -- testing is a reasonable approach, but the numbers make it obvious that that's not the case with covid.

    3. gstork

      Good points. Actually what you're saying is that in a fully-vaccinated person who is "exposed" to the virus, their immune system will trigger vaccine-induced antibodies that can effectively combat the virus before becoming infected. Infection doesn't occur until the virus overcomes the immune system's defenses.

    4. Richard

      Yeah, I wasn't real clear about that. What I meant to say is that when you get infected, what's happing is that individual viruses have to be taken into cells in your body, and those cells then make a bunch more viruses that spread to neighboring cells. This all takes a certain amount of time, and it's during that time that your immune system gloms onto those viruses and destroys them, both at the point...

      Yeah, I wasn't real clear about that. What I meant to say is that when you get infected, what's happing is that individual viruses have to be taken into cells in your body, and those cells then make a bunch more viruses that spread to neighboring cells. This all takes a certain amount of time, and it's during that time that your immune system gloms onto those viruses and destroys them, both at the point they first enter your body and later when they're spreading from cell to cell. Antibodies play a key role, of course, but they're far from the whole story. (It's a very interesting story, too, but pretty far off-topic here.)

      Anyway, the quicker your immune system suppresses the spread of virus within the body, the smaller the chance that you'll become noticeably ill or contagious. But it's not an all-or-nothing process, and it makes no real sense to talk about being 100% protected, or fully immune, or whatever. Nevertheless, if your immune system is normal and vaccinated, and so is your neighbor's, then your chance of catching or spreading the disease is very low. (It's more likely that the Cubs are going to win the World Series again this year).

      Since we still know no good way to keep covid viruses from being generated when they're inside cells, the best we can do is to rev up the immune system. And by far the most reliable and effective way to do that is vaccination. Unfortunately, this line of thinking gets lost in the fog of politics, fear of needles, righteous indignation about "personal rights", distrust of big pharma, and so on. We end up with big entities like Alaska waffling and placating the loudest complainers. I guess it has something to do with their profits, because it's certainly counterproductive in terms of combating covid.

      Look at it this way: On Air France you can't get on a domestic flight (in France) without proof of vaccination or of a very recent negative test, and all their FAs are immunized. On whose flights would you think you'd have the lowest risk of catching or spreading covid, Air France's or Alaska's?

    5. Jack Mioff

      So covid has been around at least 50 years?

    6. Richard

      Well, vaccines against viral diseases have been around that long, so we have lots of experience with the relationship between the immunization rate in a population and the way a disease continues to spread (or not) in an epidemic.

      As for coronaviruses in particular: they have surely been around since before we had the technology to recognize and categorize them, which didn't happen until about 100 years ago. But they circulate primarily in animal populations,...

      Well, vaccines against viral diseases have been around that long, so we have lots of experience with the relationship between the immunization rate in a population and the way a disease continues to spread (or not) in an epidemic.

      As for coronaviruses in particular: they have surely been around since before we had the technology to recognize and categorize them, which didn't happen until about 100 years ago. But they circulate primarily in animal populations, so people didn't study them much until the past 20 years or so, when they caused a few well-contained, non-epidemic outbreaks of severe illness in humans. The specific coronavirus that caused the current pandemic (named SARS-CoV-2) was identified in 2019 -- hence the name of the disease it causes: COronaVIrus Disease 2019 = "covid-19".

    7. EC2

      COVID-19 is a coronavirus and yes coronaviruses have been around 50 years. These current strains obviously not.

    8. Richard

      Yes, that's a good point about the "current" coronavirus strain being recent even though it's been known for 100 years or so (not just 50 years) that various coronaviruses cause infections in animals and humans as well. Knowing how the coronavirus "family" has behaved in the past was extremely valuable in figuring out so quickly how the current one worked, and it certainly helped in designing an effective vaccine.

      The downside, of course, is what's...

      Yes, that's a good point about the "current" coronavirus strain being recent even though it's been known for 100 years or so (not just 50 years) that various coronaviruses cause infections in animals and humans as well. Knowing how the coronavirus "family" has behaved in the past was extremely valuable in figuring out so quickly how the current one worked, and it certainly helped in designing an effective vaccine.

      The downside, of course, is what's implied by there being a "current" coronavirus in the first place, namely, that coronaviruses evolve so that we have to deal with new variations that behave differently than their predecessors. For example, it was more straightforward to protect people against smallpox, which never really changed much over the years, than against influenza viruses, which tend to evolve differently-behaving strains every year.

      Coronaviruses seem to fall somewhere in the middle of these two extremes, so it may become necessary to update the basic covid vaccine to deal with that. Moderna, Pfizer, et al. wouldn't mind since it would keep them in the business of developing new covid vaccines forever, but in the long run it's a good guess that we'll end up with a pretty mundane solution to the problem, like having people get a combined two-vaccine flu+covid shot every year.

      None of which changes the point of this article, which is that Alaska's policy in regard to covid prevention seems pretty half-a**ed.

  54. Burt

    @David: You can find hypocrisy is pretty much every policy viewpoint. The difference in those polices is that getting a vaccine protects many other people, where as an abortion doesn't. And, everyone at those airlines still has a choice to get the vaccine or not, so maybe they should call it a policy instead of a mandate.

  55. 75K flyer

    I wish ALK would follow UAL's lead and require all employees to get vaccinated unless they have a medical exception. Period. The employees are exposed to a lot of people and at a minimum it reduces transmission and prevents severe illness. For an airline that markets the safety dance, that is the only rational policy.

  56. tipsyinmadras

    Ben - seriously, disable comments on Covid/vaccine-related posts - the misinformation being propagated in these comments just furthers harmful vaccine-sceptic narratives

  57. Alex

    This is a weird opinion. Alaska's policy gives the most dignity to people and will probably result in more vaccinations. The other airlines are saying, "get the damn vaccine, it is a safe", while Alaska is saying, "we will do everything we can to convince you to get it, but it is your choice". I know a number of people who were and still are reluctant to get the vaccine. It is counterproductive to tell...

    This is a weird opinion. Alaska's policy gives the most dignity to people and will probably result in more vaccinations. The other airlines are saying, "get the damn vaccine, it is a safe", while Alaska is saying, "we will do everything we can to convince you to get it, but it is your choice". I know a number of people who were and still are reluctant to get the vaccine. It is counterproductive to tell them that they just need to get it. Some of these people have done extensive research on the vaccine. It is a lie to say that the vaccine is not without some risk because nothing is without any risk, but we need to be convincing people that the benefits outweigh the risk.

  58. SKF

    Shane,

    I guess HI is the acceptation to your vaccines not being effective comment. I spoke with a friend in HI the other day. His local hospital is 100% full. Of the patients that are there with COVID, 100% are not vaccinated. Seems like the vaccinated folks are doing OK. And yes, you can have break through cases, but at least they don't take up beds in hospitals.

    1. Jack Mioff

      Prove that,( hospital name, documentation, ect). It is one thing to say you have a friend who heard something, it is quite another to provide proof.
      And if true, (highly doubtful)what percent of those individuals were documented to be infegted by other unvaxxed people?
      And if you knew anything about Hawaii, you would know that it has a huge percentage of seniors, obesesity, and diabeties, making the chance of hospitalizations much greater,not to...

      Prove that,( hospital name, documentation, ect). It is one thing to say you have a friend who heard something, it is quite another to provide proof.
      And if true, (highly doubtful)what percent of those individuals were documented to be infegted by other unvaxxed people?
      And if you knew anything about Hawaii, you would know that it has a huge percentage of seniors, obesesity, and diabeties, making the chance of hospitalizations much greater,not to mention a goverment known for dishonesty and corruption.

    2. Chris in BZN

      Go to the data collected by Healthline: https://www.healthline.com/health-news/covid-19-by-the-numbers-vaccinated-continue-to-be-protected#Vaccinations-and-breakthrough-infections. These come from state government reporting. Some fun snippets pasted below. Facts are so inconvenient sometimes:

      "The rate of hospitalization among fully vaccinated people with COVID-19 was effectively zero in recent weeks in California, Delaware, D.C., Indiana, New Jersey, New Mexico, Vermont, and Virginia.
      It was 0.06 percent in Arkansas, meaning over 99 percent of hospitalizations were unvaccinated.
      Over 95 percent of those hospitalized...

      Go to the data collected by Healthline: https://www.healthline.com/health-news/covid-19-by-the-numbers-vaccinated-continue-to-be-protected#Vaccinations-and-breakthrough-infections. These come from state government reporting. Some fun snippets pasted below. Facts are so inconvenient sometimes:

      "The rate of hospitalization among fully vaccinated people with COVID-19 was effectively zero in recent weeks in California, Delaware, D.C., Indiana, New Jersey, New Mexico, Vermont, and Virginia.
      It was 0.06 percent in Arkansas, meaning over 99 percent of hospitalizations were unvaccinated.
      Over 95 percent of those hospitalized in Alaska and 99.93 percent in New Jersey were not yet fully vaccinated either.
      Vermont, which has 67 percent of its population fully vaccinated, shared similar statistics, with 13 people being hospitalized out of 276 people.
      In one study from the Kaiser Family Foundation, unvaccinated people made up more than 9 in 10 people who were hospitalized or died due to COVID-19.
      Over 96 percent of people who died in Montana and 99.91 percent in New Jersey were not fully vaccinated.
      If we look at the number of vaccinated people developing COVID-19, the District of Columbia is another good example to examine. Of 200 fully vaccinated people who acquired SARS-CoV-2, only 13 were hospitalized, and none died."

    3. Jack Mioff

      " Of 200 fully vaccinated people who acquired SARS-CoV-2, only 13 were hospitalized, and none died."

      Or you could look at it this way, 200 fully vaccinated people contracted covid and most likely spread that unto others. 13 of them needed to go to the hospital.
      As we all have been learning from all the unvaxxed media hit pieces, it only takes one person to infect many.
      So 200 people parading around thinking...

      " Of 200 fully vaccinated people who acquired SARS-CoV-2, only 13 were hospitalized, and none died."

      Or you could look at it this way, 200 fully vaccinated people contracted covid and most likely spread that unto others. 13 of them needed to go to the hospital.
      As we all have been learning from all the unvaxxed media hit pieces, it only takes one person to infect many.
      So 200 people parading around thinking they are immune were actually spreading the disease.
      And those statistics only reflect those who went to the hospitals. Everyone seems to forget that since the beginning the number of assymptomatic cases far outnumber those who reported it, so it stands to reason that there is a far higher number of vaxxed people who have contracted and spread it, and didn't even know, much less report it.
      Since there is and has never been a mass testing program in place, there is no way to know the true rate of infection and spread, but it is obviously much higher than reported.
      I am not arguing that unvaccinated people are more vulnerable, that is a given, but to solely rely on any government statistics is faulty at best.
      Anyway your answer does nothing to address the other persons claim of 100 percent of ICU beds being filled in a Hawaiian hospital, and I am highly dubious, because if it was true the state government would have plastered that all over the news, as they are hell bent on forcing vaccinations on the entire population.
      So I am calling on proof of that statement, since it was thrown out there as fact.
      Misinformation is a teo way street.

  59. Devin

    @David maybe because the choice to get an abortion is none of your goddamn business because it doesn't affect you, vs. remaining unvaccinated which actively endangers friends, family members, and strangers. What a stupid illogical argument.

    1. Lynn

      Sure affects the baby in the womb, but many don't care that we murder around 800k every year in the US.

  60. Thomas Powers

    Your slant on this shows your inability to provide an unbiased message. This country has been railroaded with a disease that has a 98% plus rate of survival. It’s a bad case of the flu. The media working with the government continues to try to control the public opinion. I applaud AAL for their minimum policy

    1. FMLAX

      Oh, 98% rate of survival? So, if everyone in the US gets it, how many will die?

    2. Jack Mioff

      Quite a few, but to try and stop it is basically like trying to reverse every natural evolutionary process that got us here. Bottom line is Darwin's theory is always going to be victorious, no matter how much we fight it.
      This may sound incompassionate, but it is a well established undeniable truth.

    3. UA-NYC

      Yeah, really too bad we developed those polio and MMR vaccines, should have just let nature take its course.

      Effing Neanderthals.

    4. Bobo

      Six million. Does than number sound familiar?

  61. Shawn

    People who want abortions are not contagious and have never filled ICU wards with people who didn't need to have abortions prior to contact with them...

    1. Alonzo

      Nope, but the children they didn't want sure end up using government assistance programs more than babies who were planned and wanted.

  62. Sebastian L

    There is nothing disappointing on not being a covid-fascist. Forcing anybody to take part on medical experiment or asking if participated should be punished.

  63. hotintx

    @Ben, I'm guessing you have a big story coming about the hotel chains you are utilizing while gallivanting around the world and what their vaccine mandates are?

    1. 305

      Wonder if he will ever even move into his pre-construction condo in Miami. Judging by the comments here, half the readership would probably disown him and stop visiting this website just for living in Florida

  64. Abey

    Can we get a round of applause to our beloved penny pincher Kirby? What a leader

  65. Alonzo

    Line yo asses up for a booster shot. Three is the magic number.

  66. jfhscott

    I suspect that a vax requirement might violate the terms of various collective bargaining agreements. Particularly, the fact that new hires, who do not enjoy the benefits of CBAs, must be vaccinated must be vaccinated suggests that a CBA is in play here.

    This is not uncommon - creating a new condition for continued employment, no matter how important, is turning out to interfere with employer mandated vaccination.

    Such is another reason why unions suck....

    I suspect that a vax requirement might violate the terms of various collective bargaining agreements. Particularly, the fact that new hires, who do not enjoy the benefits of CBAs, must be vaccinated must be vaccinated suggests that a CBA is in play here.

    This is not uncommon - creating a new condition for continued employment, no matter how important, is turning out to interfere with employer mandated vaccination.

    Such is another reason why unions suck. They totally suck.

  67. Steve

    My new favorite airline. Its all you vaccinated ppl that are spreading this disease ya know? Now go get your 5th booster shot and get back on your ivory tower.

    1. Sebastian L

      Exactly. But the second WHO spreads this disease are TV corps.

    2. EC2

      Exactly. Look at Israel. One of the most vaccinated countries. Sweden has barred Israelis regardless of vaccination status. If airlines were serious about the spread of the virus they would be testing employees regularly regardless of vaccination status.

  68. Shane

    Maybe if the vaccines were actually effective at reducing spread they would come out with a stronger policy?

    1. Ryan

      Vaccines are actually effective at reducing spread. Thank you so much for spreading COVID misinformation.

    2. NoMilk

      The CDC has LITERALLY confirmed that being vaccinated does prevent contagion.

      https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/fully-vaccinated.html

      Other agencies/studies confirmed this even before the CDC.

    3. ByThePeopleForThePeople

      I think you meant....
      "The CDC has LITERALLY confirmed that being vaccinated does NOT prevent contagion."

      That CDC article says "If you are fully vaccinated and become infected with the Delta variant, you can spread the virus to others."

      It also indicates that if you are fully vaccinated you should continue to wear a mask to prevent spread.

      https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.31.21261387v1

      This one summarizes with - "We find no difference in viral loads when comparing unvaccinated...

      I think you meant....
      "The CDC has LITERALLY confirmed that being vaccinated does NOT prevent contagion."

      That CDC article says "If you are fully vaccinated and become infected with the Delta variant, you can spread the virus to others."

      It also indicates that if you are fully vaccinated you should continue to wear a mask to prevent spread.

      https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.31.21261387v1

      This one summarizes with - "We find no difference in viral loads when comparing unvaccinated individuals to those who have vaccine “breakthrough” infections. Furthermore, individuals with vaccine breakthrough infections frequently test positive with viral loads consistent with the ability to shed infectious viruses."

    4. Nomilk

      You're right, I definitely put "does not", though!
      an admit edited my comment!

    5. Jack Mioff

      Funny, I just browsed through your reference point and it says the exact opposite.
      "If you are fully vaccinated and become infected with the Delta variant, you can spread the virus to others."
      "People with weakened immune systems, including people who take immunosuppressive medications, may not be protected even if fully vaccinated"
      It says only a small proportion of vaxxed people become infected, but there are so many other tidbits like "what...

      Funny, I just browsed through your reference point and it says the exact opposite.
      "If you are fully vaccinated and become infected with the Delta variant, you can spread the virus to others."
      "People with weakened immune systems, including people who take immunosuppressive medications, may not be protected even if fully vaccinated"
      It says only a small proportion of vaxxed people become infected, but there are so many other tidbits like "what we know"(so far) and "" what ee are learning" and pretty much requires you to use the same protocols in public to avoid becoming infected and transmitting the disease.
      I would venture to say that most vaxxed individuals are more dangerous to unvaxxed ones, not the other way around, due to to thier miguided belief that they cannot pass it onto others, even though the CDC says otherwise.
      The more you read into it, the easier it is to realize how fluid the situation is and how much we don't know, and the wording is written up to reflect that.
      This reflects the problems with rushing out a vaccine before the true parameters of the virus are established, like virtually every other disease or contagion we currently vaccinate against now.
      To try and shame people for being hesitant and mistrusting the people calling shots is really sad and indicative of an agenda as opposed to a sincere outreach for public safety.

    6. EC2

      That’s the “noble lie”. The vaccines are meant to and successful at reducing serious illness and death. About 80% of Israel is fully vaxxed and 30% is triple vaxxed. They have sky high new cases. They are spread proportionally among vaccinated and unvaccinated. They use Pfizer vaccine - you know the fully approved one.

    7. FMLAX

      Interesting, Shane. What makes you say that?

  69. Charles

    Why is everyone conflating vaccine status to politics? All governers are vaccinated, all senators are vaccinated, President Trump is vaccinated.

    Is everyone forgetting black America's opinion on vaccines, and what rate that demographic is vaccinated? Stop making everything about red and blue. People are individuals, and it's nice to see some companies actually value that.

    1. 305

      Shhhh. Your correct logic doesn’t fit the narrative. It’s all Florida’s fault, and only republican voters who caused all of this.

    2. Steve

      It is funny because without Trump removing all the red-tape that vaccines and drugs normally require we would be months if not a whole year behind were we are now. People forget that Biden and Kamela told us not to take a drug or vaccine that was "rushed" under a trump administration before the election. Im no trump fan but you are delusional if you believe he was against vaccines. He is the reason we were allowed to take them before FDA approval.

    3. Jim Baround

      Trump isn't against vaccines, he isn't for vaccines, he really doesn't stand for anything. What he saw was that many Trump supporters were anti-vaccine, and he plays up the identity politics, because as long as there is chaos that is good for him. By being silent when he should have been out playing up and pushing the vaccine, he tacitly endorsed his followers anti-vaccine stance. Which is ironic, because I agree, his administration moved the...

      Trump isn't against vaccines, he isn't for vaccines, he really doesn't stand for anything. What he saw was that many Trump supporters were anti-vaccine, and he plays up the identity politics, because as long as there is chaos that is good for him. By being silent when he should have been out playing up and pushing the vaccine, he tacitly endorsed his followers anti-vaccine stance. Which is ironic, because I agree, his administration moved the vaccine through incredibly quickly, so wouldn't he want to take credit for that?

    4. Charles

      He literally encourages his supporters to get the vaccine but also understands it's a personal choice.

      Wow, what an extremist.

    5. UA-NYC

      You realize Pfizer (first to market) didn't take part in OWS - right? Nope, probably ignorant.

    6. UA-NYC

      https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/meet-the-press/nbc-news-poll-shows-demographic-breakdown-vaccinated-u-s-n1277514

      Blacks aren't the problem - it's MAGA mouth breathing Trumpists.

      Now go STFD.

  70. Mike

    I'm sorry but for me "undergo a vaccine education course" means undergo a brainwashing program. In a free country, why should an employee be subjected to these rules. What happened to the right to choose?

    And no I am not an anti-vacx team, but just that this is becoming like some regime to brainwash if you are different, or back in the times where being homosexual, you go for some "conversion program".

    1. FMLAX

      You have every right to choose whether or not to get the vaccine, just as your employer has every right to impose restrictions on you, up to and including termination.

    2. Anon

      Actually, under Title VI of the Civil Rights Act, and under several titles within the Americans With Disabilities Act, no company, corporation, or such, shall be allowed to terminate employment based on medical procedural requirements, especially if an employee requests a religious or medical exemption. Violating this, enables the employee to open a class-action lawsuit against their employer for violating their Civil Rights.

      Know your facts.

    3. Todd Roberts

      "Actually, under Title VI of the Civil Rights Act, and under several titles within the Americans With Disabilities Act, no company, corporation, or such, shall be allowed to terminate employment based on medical procedural requirements, especially if an employee requests a religious or medical exemption. Violating this, enables the employee to open a class-action lawsuit against their employer for violating their Civil Rights."

      You've just shown that listing the Civil Rights Act and the Americans...

      "Actually, under Title VI of the Civil Rights Act, and under several titles within the Americans With Disabilities Act, no company, corporation, or such, shall be allowed to terminate employment based on medical procedural requirements, especially if an employee requests a religious or medical exemption. Violating this, enables the employee to open a class-action lawsuit against their employer for violating their Civil Rights."

      You've just shown that listing the Civil Rights Act and the Americans with Disabilities Act in a comment doesn't mean you understand those Acts. Those acts have nothing to do with an employer requiring employees to be vaccinated. For example, hospital employees have vaccination requirements and they don't violate the Civil Rights act nor the Americans with Disabilities Act. Time to educate yourself.

    4. Kelikaku Coutin

      You mentioned the hospitals? Hospitals are looking forward to a large number of resignations from medical professionals who do not trust the vaccines, which all contain untested RNA technology, and are very unconventional, for a virus with a 99.8% survival rate. Both doctors and nurses.

    5. Jim

      The vaccines are very tested. BILLIONs of uses tracked so far. These vaccines at this point have probably been the most tested medical treatment in the history of mankind. Almost all doctors are vaccinated. I am one. We lined up early to get vaccinated. And I would hypothesize that doctors have a slight bit more understanding on vaccine technology and data than the average citizen. My hospital has a 100% vaccine mandate. It already did...

      The vaccines are very tested. BILLIONs of uses tracked so far. These vaccines at this point have probably been the most tested medical treatment in the history of mankind. Almost all doctors are vaccinated. I am one. We lined up early to get vaccinated. And I would hypothesize that doctors have a slight bit more understanding on vaccine technology and data than the average citizen. My hospital has a 100% vaccine mandate. It already did for measles, mumps, tetanus, influenza and many more. Adding COVID to the list cause no stir amongst the doctors. In fact, data shows that the hospital employees bucking the vaccine are inversely related to level of education. In other words, the people that will lose their jobs are the most expendable. To them I say "good riddance", now you can't infect MY patients just because you believe some paranoid garbage about vaccines that is not grounded with one iota shred of evidence. At my hospital, they will all be gone in October. The average intelligence level of employees will take a bump up.

    6. Jwhorse

      Thanks Jim,

      For showing us how arrogant Doctors can be. Just because you are educated, doesn't mean you are smart. If it was written in a text book that is all you know. We will see how much more you have to work when us so called uneducated people are at home collecting are unemployment. There is already a staff shortage you self entitled PRICK.

    7. UA-NYC

      Factually incorrect - go back to Parler

    8. Anon

      Perhaps you should read the acts and educate yourself on their meaning before posting.

      Source: Rutherford Institute

      Also, it matters not that they are violating the ADA and CRA, for in all the Nuremberg Code is held higher, for it is international law. Nuremberg Code explicitly states that there shall be no mandate on any medical procedure without the full informed consent of the individual. By making that individual's life difficult, terminating their employment,...

      Perhaps you should read the acts and educate yourself on their meaning before posting.

      Source: Rutherford Institute

      Also, it matters not that they are violating the ADA and CRA, for in all the Nuremberg Code is held higher, for it is international law. Nuremberg Code explicitly states that there shall be no mandate on any medical procedure without the full informed consent of the individual. By making that individual's life difficult, terminating their employment, etc, this is a mandate through the act of duress and coercion - a penalty punishable by death, as stated in the International Law.

    9. FMLAX

      @Anon

      Good luck arguing that in court.

    10. FMLAX

      @Anon "Know your facts." Triggered much?

      While it's true that the employer must consider religious or medical exemptions, each of these is subject to the interactive process between employer and employee. The employer is only required to grant an exemption if doing so does not force an undue burden on them.

  71. steven kapellas

    Alaska Airlines also has extensive operations in Mountain states which tend to have lower vaccination rates like Idaho. If they lose those employees operations will be severely impacted. Sad and confused reality of red state politics.

  72. Jeff

    @Charles:
    Pretty sure the mega Christians that run Alaska believe that, except when it concerns a woman’s right to choose.

    1. David

      @jeff:

      So when it comes to abortion liberals say "My body my choice" but that doesn't apply to an individual's right to choose to get a vaccine or not? What happened to your medical choices are between you and your doctor.

      I'm vaccinated, and think anyone who didn't get vaccinated has made the wrong choice, but at the end of the day, it's an individual right to choose. Once again, liberals get caught up in their own hypocrisy.

    2. Jeff

      @David

      I agree 100%.
      If you don’t want the vaccine, don’t get it. There is hypocrisy on both sides

    3. Abey

      How about that those choices affect other people in America as a whole as well? Have you considered that point?

    4. Garrett

      Public health is not an individual choice. It has never been an individual choice. This country and indeed all countries in the world have long histories of public health mandates including quarantines and mandatory vaccinations (go check every other country's COVID pandemic responses to see if my argument is correct). Public health measures is an inherent right of a government to protect itself and its citizens identical to the way all governments draft their citizens...

      Public health is not an individual choice. It has never been an individual choice. This country and indeed all countries in the world have long histories of public health mandates including quarantines and mandatory vaccinations (go check every other country's COVID pandemic responses to see if my argument is correct). Public health measures is an inherent right of a government to protect itself and its citizens identical to the way all governments draft their citizens to go to war. The CDC has long-standing legal authority under the Commerce Clause of the US Constitution to quarantine any location in the US to protect citizens from the spread of illness even though a quarantine is a significant and serious deprivation of liberty. Being on the wrong side of a quarantine can mean guaranteed death.

      Your argument that an individual "natural right" (the concept argued by John Locke and others) is greater than a Constitutional Right is faulty. It isn't. You and I are subject to US Constitution and laws passed that derive their power from the US Constitution. This is fundamentally different from the government, without US Constitutional authority, imposing restrictions on individual liberty.

      In your abortion example; the US Supreme Court has consistently held that the government has the right to protect the life of a viable unborn fetus as a citizen but lack the authority to impose a restriction on the individual liberty of a pregnant woman before there is a viable fetus. This is because there is no mandate in the US Constitution to protect potential citizens and no mandate to require an individual health outcome on a US citizen. In sum, a viable fetus is regulated under US Constitution and its inherent public health mandates; and the government has no Constitutional authority to impose a depravation of liberty on a woman carrying unviable fetus.

      I know that reading and interpreting the Constitution can't be reduced to slogans or simple logic experiments that ask faulty questions. But to your point of individual liberty during a pandemic: the government has increased authority by the Constitution to take actions that protect your life even though they take away your freedom. Vaccination as a public health measure is not an individual choice.

      https://www.cdc.gov/quarantine/aboutlawsregulationsquarantineisolation.html
      https://www.cdc.gov/polio/what-is-polio/polio-us.html
      https://amhistory.si.edu/polio/index.htm

    5. Mike

      Choosing to have an abortion has no physical affect on anyone other than the woman. Choosing not to get vaccinated can cause serious physical affects to the individual and others they come in contact with who may not be able to get vaccinated. They can also spread Covid to people who are vaccinated, although very few will be hospitalized or die. Measles, Mumps, Rubella, Polio, Smallpox and other diseases almost nonexistent because everyone got vaccinated...

      Choosing to have an abortion has no physical affect on anyone other than the woman. Choosing not to get vaccinated can cause serious physical affects to the individual and others they come in contact with who may not be able to get vaccinated. They can also spread Covid to people who are vaccinated, although very few will be hospitalized or die. Measles, Mumps, Rubella, Polio, Smallpox and other diseases almost nonexistent because everyone got vaccinated for the good of everyone, not just themselves.

    6. Jim Baround

      Comparing apples to oranges. The pro-life/pro-choice issue has pro-life folks pushing for to go to prison (aka lose their right to liberty), not telling them they can't work at a particular company.

      Also, why is it in an individual's right to choose if they want to get vaccinated, but not a company's right to choose if they only want to employ people who are vaccinated. Seems a bit hypocritical there.

    7. rick b

      @David usual right-wing twisted logic. Someone's reproductive choices are deeply private matters that don't affect anyone else, and in fact in the long run save the public money from having to take care of fewer kids that can't be properly parented...IE it reduces what you'd call welfare.

      Not being vaccinated and not following safety measures (masking, distancing) is a public health hazard. Those people do affect others around them, and are a burden on the...

      @David usual right-wing twisted logic. Someone's reproductive choices are deeply private matters that don't affect anyone else, and in fact in the long run save the public money from having to take care of fewer kids that can't be properly parented...IE it reduces what you'd call welfare.

      Not being vaccinated and not following safety measures (masking, distancing) is a public health hazard. Those people do affect others around them, and are a burden on the healthcare system, drive up insurance costs, etc.

      I'm all for personal liberties if it involves personal activities that don't affect anyone else. but being a covidiot is not one of those.

    8. Chris in BZN

      Everyone screaming "liberty" meaning that they can do whatever they want do not understand the concept. Being able to do whatever you want regardless of whether it harms others is not liberty; it is anarchy. A society with liberty is still a society, and societies have rules that are designed to discourage behavior that hurts others. So you cannot drive 100mph in a school zone. You cannot drive drunk. Those things risk significant harm to...

      Everyone screaming "liberty" meaning that they can do whatever they want do not understand the concept. Being able to do whatever you want regardless of whether it harms others is not liberty; it is anarchy. A society with liberty is still a society, and societies have rules that are designed to discourage behavior that hurts others. So you cannot drive 100mph in a school zone. You cannot drive drunk. Those things risk significant harm to others, as does walking around spreading a virus that has killed over 600,000 fellow citizens in one year. Aborting a pre-viable fetus does not harm other citizens, so comparing the two is simply horrible, uninformed logic.

      Fun fact: Vaccination mandates began in our land with the great Founding Father himself, George Washington. During the revolution, he mandated all soldiers be vaccinated against smallpox to protect the health of the army population as a whole. That vaccination involved lancing a truly sick person's pustule and then cutting the same blade into a healthy person, giving them in most cases a very mild version and then immunity (because blood transmission of that virus usually resulted in a milder version of the disease than airborne transmission). Makes the jab with the fully approved Pfizer vaccine seem pretty easy. But without the vaccination mandates, the army likely would have been even weaker than it often was, jeopardizing the creation of our country and society. Thankfully, the people who founded our country based on liberty understood the concept.

    9. djibouti

      @David: Your right to swing your fist stops where my noise begins. A woman's choice to have an abortion doesn't actually affect you (although you might think it does). A person's decision not to get vaccinated affects *every goddamn person on the planet*. I think it's much more hypocritical of the GOP to suddenly be using that line, while still denying women the right to have an abortion. "I don't have to wear a mask/get...

      @David: Your right to swing your fist stops where my noise begins. A woman's choice to have an abortion doesn't actually affect you (although you might think it does). A person's decision not to get vaccinated affects *every goddamn person on the planet*. I think it's much more hypocritical of the GOP to suddenly be using that line, while still denying women the right to have an abortion. "I don't have to wear a mask/get a vaccine because of my freedoms, but you have to carry another human being for 9 months!"

      (Signed, a former GOP-voter)

    10. Sarah

      @David, getting the vaccine increases the odds of you not being hospitalized and overwhelming the system and it also increases the odds of you being unlikely to give Covid to someone else who might not be vaccinated. Abortion affects one person and one person only, the woman having to deal with the pregnancy (no, a fetus is not a person). There is no "liberal hypocrisy" on display here. Just ignorant "conservative" counter arguments to "my...

      @David, getting the vaccine increases the odds of you not being hospitalized and overwhelming the system and it also increases the odds of you being unlikely to give Covid to someone else who might not be vaccinated. Abortion affects one person and one person only, the woman having to deal with the pregnancy (no, a fetus is not a person). There is no "liberal hypocrisy" on display here. Just ignorant "conservative" counter arguments to "my body, my rights" from people who can't get pregnant and are in no way conservative.

    11. Joe

      Please see State of Texas new law. Speaking of hypocrisy, what was that about my body my choice?

    12. Adam Simmons

      The right to choose should not apply when the condition can be so easily transmitted to others - which is why the 'my body, my choice' argument works for pregnancy but not for viruses.

    13. FMLAX

      You have every right to choose whether or not to get the vaccine. Your employer also has every right to set conditions of your employment based on your choice.

    14. Sebastian L

      Ok then why are femminists crying about psy gap. If employer want to pay less women he should be allowed to.

    15. Abey

      Because that is discrimination Sebastian, people have a choice to get vaccinated not if they are born with vaginas

    16. Justa Guy

      My employer requires me to vote all Republican. Obviously, I can choose to work for them and this isn't a violation, right?

      The logic in your comment is both childish and incorrect.

    17. Scott

      So you choose to give up your right to vote, for a paycheck? Interesting because how would they know unless they are in the voting booth with you, Which is Illegal. Can't say for sure if it is a violation to require that for employment. They could back in the 1800's because you either lined up in the republican line or the democrat line and your foreman was there watching what line you would be...

      So you choose to give up your right to vote, for a paycheck? Interesting because how would they know unless they are in the voting booth with you, Which is Illegal. Can't say for sure if it is a violation to require that for employment. They could back in the 1800's because you either lined up in the republican line or the democrat line and your foreman was there watching what line you would be in. (Factory Workers) hence why we have unions! and voting laws that certain politicians are trying to make harder to allow anyone not voting for them to vote. But it is your choice to do that! i'm sure they would be the first to cry foul if you left them for an employer that made you vote Democrat, and vice versa. There is major hypocrisy on both sides!

    18. Scott

      How are they going to know if you voted for a Democrat? If they are at the voting booth with you then yes that is a violation and a crime!

  73. anon

    if that disappoints you, wait till you find out whats been going on in your homestate of Florida!

  74. Charles

    Perhaps Alaska Airlines believes that an individual should be able to make the decision on what they decide to do to their own body.

    1. mike lincoln

      you already do have that right, but that doesnt protect you from consequences when you make the wrong decision that affects others.

    2. Charles

      If there are consequences to the decision, then it's no longer a right. Using your logic, I have the "right" to rob a bank...I just need to suffer the consequences from executing this "right".

    3. Jim Baround

      This is one of the dumber comments I've ever read here. If there is a consequence to a decision, it's not longer a right?? All decisions have consequences. We have the right to free speech, but it doesn't mean there aren't consequences to what we say. Typically a right is something that we can't lose our liberty for. Losing your job is not losing your liberty.

    4. Charles

      Yeah, I agree losing your job is not losing your liberty in all cases (or even most), but it definitely can be.

    5. Jack Mioff

      Quite a few, but to try and stop it is basically like trying to reverse every natural evolutionary process that got us here. Bottom line is Darwin's theory is always going to be victorious, no matter how much we fight it.
      This may sound incompassionate, but it is a well established undeniable truth.

    6. Steve

      This seems like a perfect strategy, reward employees with a nice bonus, make it bothersome for people who dont get the vaccine but allow them their own choice with their own body. Alaska protects themselves by not paying sick time for unvaccinated. This seems incredibly logical and a blueprint for every other business.

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David

@jeff: So when it comes to abortion liberals say "My body my choice" but that doesn't apply to an individual's right to choose to get a vaccine or not? What happened to your medical choices are between you and your doctor. I'm vaccinated, and think anyone who didn't get vaccinated has made the wrong choice, but at the end of the day, it's an individual right to choose. Once again, liberals get caught up in their own hypocrisy.

Charles

Perhaps Alaska Airlines believes that an individual should be able to make the decision on what they decide to do to their own body.

Jim Baround

This is one of the dumber comments I've ever read here. If there is a consequence to a decision, it's not longer a right?? All decisions have consequences. We have the right to free speech, but it doesn't mean there aren't consequences to what we say. Typically a right is something that we can't lose our liberty for. Losing your job is not losing your liberty.

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