Is The Ritz-Carlton Tokyo Charging Cash For Points Stays?

A couple of weeks ago I wrote a post entitled “I Can’t Keep Up With All The Marriott Hotels Playing Games.” I think the title is mostly self explanatory.

Ever since Marriott integrated their three loyalty programs, it sure seems like more hotels are playing “games” than ever before, in violation of the terms and conditions of Marriott’s loyalty program. This ranges from hotels putting notices on their website saying they don’t have to upgrade Platinum members, to hotels just not making rooms available on points, to all kinds of other things.

Marriott is now the world’s largest hotel group, with over 6,500 hotels around the world. So there’s no doubt that there will always be some “bad apple” hotels, though it sure seems to me that the number of hotels doing whatever the heck they want is increasing significantly.

Reader Lulu brought to my attention what on the surface appears to be a pretty gutsy move from a hotel.

The Ritz-Carlton Tokyo appears to be charging a 23,200JPY service charge per night when redeeming points. So in addition to the 60,000 points required per night, you also have to pay a total of 25,246JPY including tax, which is about 230USD.

There aren’t supposed to be service charges on points stays, since they’re almost always charged as a percent of the room rate, and in the case of points stays that rate is zero.

While I was ready to point fingers at the hotel as another example of a hotel doing whatever the heck they want, I then followed up with the hotel directly. They made it clear that this was a glitch they were aware of and that they’re working on getting fixed.

I’m obviously not here to make any excuses for Marriott, and I’ve been (fairly) tough on them, in my opinion. A lot of hotels feel they can do whatever they want, and when they put a message on their website saying they don’t upgrade Platinum members, that’s obviously not a glitch.

However, it is also important to keep in mind that Marriott has thousands of hotels around the world, and collectively we’re more skeptical of the brand than ever before. In those cases I’ll continue to do what I can to follow up and figure out exactly what’s going on.

Some hotels are playing games, though with so many hotels there are also bound to be some glitches. I’m writing this post to say that maybe in some cases it makes sense to step back for a moment and assume something may be a glitch, rather than assume everything individual Marriott hotels do has nefarious intentions.

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Brendan Guest

Got the same issue with ritz half moon bay...they want 60,000 points and up to $300/night depending on room. The basic room (garden view, etc) can be had for points alone though. Is this within the terms and conditions of the program?

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shilph Guest

Ok, this is what I got from RC Tokyo. "We have currently faced a systematical error for a few days and indicate the wrong service charges online. We would be pleased to confirm with you that your reservation is reward points redemption stay and there will be no extra service charge occurred. Kindly disregard the service charges which are put on your reservation until the system gets fixed and the charge is removed. I am not sure about how long it will take us to solve the problem, but we are trying our best to do it as early as possible. Sorry for the inconvenience we cause you. We will appreciate your kind understanding and patience." So it is just an another Marriott IT error.

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DK Guest

I e-mailed RC Tokyo and they confirmed it's only an IT error and it will be rectified.

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Kent Guest

Isn't it great God gave us the internet so "we the people" can tell you online so that many can have a "heads-up" about company's operations. As Mark S and others have said, 6500 properties perhaps Marriott cannot police itself. We all can use this and other platforms to benefit. Certainly we already know there is an effect (mostly positive) on the companies to take more action than our previous years of travelling where we knew only as much as the fellow or lady next to us in the lounge, the airplane seat next, the rental car line (before there was a line as the Gold and Emerald Isle's didn't exist). A great medium !

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Nawaf New Member

Made a 5 night award booking for end of March and the only thing showing is 240,000 points and 2000 JPY government tax for the entire stay. I must say from my experience, where i had reservations help me shift my booking, they have been more than happy to accommodate any request I had. As with many of you, I've been extremely disappointed and frustrated with Marriott since the merger, but I have to say the courtesy and service I've seen from the Ritz Carlton has been magnificent. I really look forward to my stay

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