I Can’t Keep Up With All The Marriott Hotels Playing Games

I’m extremely disappointed by the way that Marriott has handled the integration of their loyalty programs.

It’s sad, because at first I had high hopes. Not high hopes that I’d be happier as a Marriott Platinum member than a former SPG Platinum member, but rather I figured they’d at least do a good job managing expectations and delivering on what they promised, even if that wasn’t much.

After all, they were off to a strong start. When Marriott’s takeover of Starwood was announced, they introduced points transfers and status matching from day one, which was unprecedented.

Unfortunately they’ve done a significantly less impressive job ever since. Marriott’s IT has been a disaster, hotels have been left in the dark regarding how the new loyalty program is supposed to work, and as customers this sure doesn’t seem like the program we hoped for.

Marriott hotels making up their own rules

I’ve already written several times about Marriott hotels that just make up their own rules. The truth is that literally every day I get a message (or multiple messages) from readers pointing to Marriott hotels that are just making up their own rules. I don’t write about them constantly, because if I did, I’d rename this blog “One Marriott Hotel Making Up Its Own Rules At A Time.”

Let me just point to two that I’ve received in the past 24 hours.

When you go to a hotel’s booking page on marriott.com, you’ll often see that they list “notices.” This typically includes things like the hotel being under construction, a pool being temporarily closed, etc.

The Westin Whistler Resort & Spa now lists the following:

Please note-Please be advised that complimentary Rewards member upgrades will not be available during peak holiday periods.

Um, okay? It would help to clarify what exactly the “peak holiday period” is, or actually I guess it would help just to not make up your own rules.

This is very similar to what the JW Marriott Guanacaste Resort & Spa did recently:

Please note – Marriott Rewards upgrades based on availability at check-in. Upgrades are granted to next room category not to suite.

In both cases, hotels are making up their own rules, in violation of the Marriott Rewards terms & conditions.

Then the St. Regis Maldives recently started stating the following on their website:

We’re sorry. This property is not taking redemption bookings at this time. You can either book a cash reservation or search for another reservation.

Huh?

My take on this

Every time I write these posts, people ask “well did you reach out to Marriott, and what did they say?” These hotels are violating the rules, so when I reach out to Marriott these things usually get fixed, and they acknowledge the rules are being violated.

But the reality is that I’m getting these kinds of notices from readers every single day, and I’m not going to reach out to Marriott every single day.

To me this reflects the huge problem that Marriott has. They are now the world’s largest hotel group, with 6,700+ properties. They don’t actually need to be good, given how big they are, since it’s hard to avoid Marriott.

The much bigger problem, though, is that:

  • The new program is really complicated, and as an expert on these programs I can barely keep up with how they’re supposed to work, so it’s no surprise that hotels struggle to understand the programs as well
  • Based on what I’ve heard from people who work at Marriott properties, corporate has done virtually nothing to train people on the new program, on the upgrade policy, etc., and there’s no punishment when hotels aren’t compliant; so in many cases hotels don’t realize they’re breaking the rules

In other words, until Marriott starts managing their loyalty program proactively rather than reactively, this will continue.

(Tip of the hat to Alexander)

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Kim J Guest

I agree. Even without integration, Marriott makes the customer chase the points. That and housekeeping - don’t get me started.

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Mark S. Member

@Ron Hunter, You are singing to the Qhoir! I am also a former Ambassador member whilst at SPG where it really helped. I am now a lowly Lifetime Titanium member. BTW, If you have the 750 nights and likely 10 years Platinum, your status should be Titanium as well. It is completely infuriating to have front desk folks lie to your face at check-in about how they are having an event or similar nonsense so the suites and upgraded rooms are all gone, particularly when you check the inventory on your laptop and see that they are full of (it). It's a total turn off even if you end up with what you deserve only after asking for the GM. The suite upgrade certificate program is also a sham. First of all, the offerings are often not suites but "upgraded guestrooms". I have found that the upgrades are often not honored even when the inventory is available. You receive a terse message stating "Your upgrade request has been denied". Not even a sorry or try again next time. They pulled that with me at the Wentworth by the Sea, a resort where I am known to staff and management as a regular. The front desk people went as far as to send Marriott Corp. a message stating that if anyone was granted a suite certificate upgrade, to make it me. The bottom line: Marriott did nothing and the property gave me a very nice suite upon check-in since Corporate was out of the loop and the inventory available. I'll keep my lifetime status with Marriott....I earned it, but like you, I diversify where I stay to suit me. If that happens to be a Marriott brand, than so be it, however I obtained the Hilton Aspire card and as a HH Diamond, have been treated very nicely. If at sometime, Marriott gets less full of themselves and turns the program around, I'll welcome them back. Arne Sorenson calls you and I as well as most of those posting in this thread "Noise around the edges". In today's world of reviews and posts making or breaking a company, that "noise" can become deafening.

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Ron Huther Guest

I’m about to hit Marriott Ambassador level which means over 100 nights and $20K a year in spend. I’m fed up with them. I’m on a trip right now (Nov 2019) and stayed at the JW in Kuala Lumpur, Marriott TENG Plaza Singapore and JW in Jakarta. All three hotels have serious management problems. The high rewards level I’ve achieved gets me nothing. That is nothing I care about. Sure, I get bonus points....so what! I already spend over 100 nights a year in a hotel. The rooms are dated, expensive and the services provided are nothing special at best and in reality inferior. I’m really kicking myself for taking this long to understand Marriott’s scam. Broken elevators, broken sauna, pool out for repairs is the norm. The JW in Jakarta does not even stock Diet Coke/Pepsi in the lounge. Twice now the closed a Resturant to support a wedding with no notice. One of the biggest scams Marriott pulls is claiming they will upgrade your room at checkin if available. A total lie. In fact, I have been down graded and the staff lied about it. I made it through October and over 90 nights this year (750 life time) and never got upgraded. Several times the staff lied about an upgrade and when I got to the room it was what I booked. A call to reception always got more lies and nothing coherent. Now I always ask at check in and I’ve been totally jerked around. The complimentary upgrade lie is a total scam and if you get one it helps to be white and to be very lucky. It’s purely chance. The online check in does nothing to help you get one either. Another lie. I’ve also, as a titanium elite status level, been jerked around on late checkout. So Marriott can go pound sand. I’m now hotel brand agnostic. The status, bonus points, etc are not worth taking the hit in comfort and value. From now on I’m picking the nicest hotel, best amenities and ignoring the scam/games Marriott plays. Rarely will it be a Marriott property. That’s really my advice. Hotel brand loyalty really benefits the chain and not the consumer. The rare occurrence of a reward is not worth missing out on some better experiences. I’m Platinum for life anyway....I see no reason to fall for their broken promises and lies anymore.

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Mark S Member

Shar, it is inevitable that when the numbers slide, which they will, it will get Arne Sorenson's attention. Unlike Bill Marriott who had a family legacy in hospitality to protect , Arne is strictly a numbers guy. As a lifetime platinum (now LT Titanium), I never thought I would be spending $450.00 to "buy" a Hilton Diamond membership to protect my travels from this degree of time consuming nonsense.

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Shar Guest

This post is spot on! I am beyond disappointed with the manner in which elite members have been treated, post merger. It’s a complete mess and I am definitely switching over to other options. The latest mistreatment at Le Meridien Piccadilly in London was the straw that broke the camel’s back. Also, service at the Ambassador desk is even worse. I’ll take my business elsewhere. Thank you for sharing your thoughts and providing a forum for others to share their experience. The hotels are just blatantly violating the program’s terms and conditions without a care in the world. Hopefully enough people take their business elsewhere and they financially feel the impact of their poor service.

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