How An EL AL Captain Tricked Passengers Into Taking A Flight

Yesterday I published a post about the bizarre incident that occurred on an EL AL flight from New York to Tel Aviv this past Thursday. I admit that at first I didn’t get all the details right, and apologize for that.

That’s because I drafted the post on Saturday based on a story in The Times of Israel, which talked about how the flight diverted due to violence from some passengers. Later stories (published before my story published but after I wrote it) painted a different picture. So I apologize for that. Now that we have more info, this story gets even more interesting.

The original basics of EL AL 2

EL AL flight 2 from New York to Tel Aviv on Thursday was supposed to depart at 6:30PM and land in Tel Aviv at 11:40AM. There were many religious passengers on the flight, and EL AL doesn’t operate flights on Shabbat. The start of that was at around 4:40PM on Friday.

The flight was delayed significantly due to the bad weather in NYC. Essentially the crew ended up taking about five hours to get from their hotel to the airport due to the horrible road conditions.

What we originally knew is that the flight ended up being delayed for several hours on departure, and the flight diverted to Athens, so that it could be on the ground before the start of Shabbat.

Then those passengers who observed Shabbat flew the following night to Tel Aviv, while those who don’t were flown on an Israir flight several hours later, so they arrived in Tel Aviv way late.

Initially there were reports of there having been some violence from passengers towards the crew, and some eyewitnesses in the story I was quoting said crew members were crying, and that some passengers threatened to storm the cockpit if the flight didn’t divert. Those details are now in question.

The new details

As noted by Dan’s Deals, now more details are emerging, and they present a different story which is rather confusing. Based on this it’s clear that EL AL horribly mishandled this situation.

While the EL AL 747 was waiting for takeoff a lot of passengers realized that there’s no way the plane would land in Israel before sundown, so some passengers got up and confronted the crew to tell them they wanted to go to the gate.

After causing enough of a fuss, the captain apparently agreed to return to the gate, so passengers sat down. But then the plane suddenly took off, directly contradicting what the captain allegedly promised.

This is substantiated by the air traffic control audio with the pilots:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItgxrbnCuJE

In it, the pilot tells ATC that “we have problems with some passengers,” and that he needs to hold for a couple of minutes, and will then “let you know if we can continue to the takeoff, or back to the gate.”

Then a minute later he says “we’d appreciate to depart as soon as possible, otherwise the passengers will continue making problems.”

No matter how you slice it, EL AL handled this situation horribly. It seems they lied to passengers, but beyond that, their handling of the situation seems reckless.

They talked about how they had a situation with passengers to ATC, and their solution to that is to take off as quickly as possible, “otherwise the passengers will continue making problems.” That’s not how you handle a situation with a disturbance, because if you have a problem on the ground, they’ll only escalate in the air.

The big unknown

The area where there are conflicting reports is regarding whether or not passengers became violent. The two sides are as follows:

  • One side says that passengers assaulted the crew and threatened to storm the flight deck if the plane didn’t divert; this is based on a couple of published eyewitness reports, and EL AL has also said that they intend to file police reports against these passengers
  • The other side says that this is complete “fake news,” and that there was no violence at all, though acknowledges that there was “disappointment, anger, and raised voices”

So I don’t know what to make of this. Obviously not everyone saw everything. Furthermore, even if one or two people did get violent or threaten to storm the cockpit, that doesn’t represent a majority of the passengers who were frustrated.

Violence is never acceptable (especially on a plane), though I also understand why passengers were angry, since it does seem pretty apparent that the captain lied to passengers, which isn’t cool.

Bottom line

It seems like this story is far from over. It seems like EL AL is trying to cover their tracks here, so it will be telling if they actually file any police reports, or if this was simply a defense mechanism for them.

No doubt this was a very complex situation. Airline operations are already so complicated, but only get more complicated during irregular operations and when you’re an airline that doesn’t operate for a portion of the week.

Obviously canceling the flight would have had a huge knock-on effect, as passengers would have been stuck in New York for 30 hours, a flight from Tel Aviv would have been canceled on Saturday evening, etc.

We also don’t know at what point they really knew whether the flight could have made it or not. If the plane had returned to the gate there’s no doubt it would have been canceled completely — this wasn’t just a case of dropping off some passengers and continuing the journey.

It could also be that they made the operational decision to just fly to Athens in order to have the plane be closer to Tel Aviv, and minimize the impact on Saturday night for whatever flight the plane was supposed to operate next. But if that’s the case they should have communicated with passengers more transparently.

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Meredith Guest

All, I was a secular passenger on that flight. Anyone who flies ELAL does so because they appreciate the security that ELAL offers passengers who are flying to and from Israel. Additionally, obtaining kosher food is a given. If you choose to fly ELAL, you know that there will be a very large number of Orthodox passengers and if you fly on Thursday night in the winter, there is probably a good reason for flying so close to Shabbat if you are a religious. Every passenger was accounted for in time for the 6:30 flight. The pilots did not show up till 8 pm. We boarded at 8:30-but only partially because the rest of the flight crew had not made it yet. They did not compensate for weather and stupidly got in cars instead of taking underground public transport which would have gotten them to the airport in time for the 6:30. They arrived at 10:30. We took off at 11:35. All things being equal-we should have taken off by 8:30. 9pm latest. The pilot bold faced lied and then did not communicate. As the situation deteriorated, the pilot gave rambling diatribes in Hebrew and stopped translating to English only speaking passengers. The passengers did not know what was going on. There was no cross check for take off and most passengers thought we were going back to the gate. I debated with my seatmate who was convinced that we were headed back to the gate even though I felt like we were going to take off. Since the flight crew did not do their job-she was sure we were not taking off. And then we were speeding down the runway and in the air. Then the pilot promised he would get us there in time to be where we wanted to be in time for Shabbat. The flight crew did not do their job the entire flight. Most people did not get served beverages or anything else and were ignored and spoken to in a surly manner. No one was violent. Everyone(passengers) was in it together. And the religious folk couldn't even get to Israel until Sunday. I lost a full day and night with my teen daughter, whom I was visiting and hadn't seen in 6 months. She waited in my hotel for 3 1/2 hours while I was anxiety ridden at 35,000 feet. When asked by a flight attendent why I was so upset(!) I told her and her response was that she hadn't seen her mother in a month. Another told me that she would call her boyfriend to go and sit with my daughter. I asked her how she could call him from 35,000 feet and that gave her pause. In the end-the pilot told us that they had really tried to get us to Israel and sometimes these things just happen. What happened was the flight crew was extremely late and that was on them. It was OBVIOUSLY snowing. Compensate. It is no one's place to judge someone's way of life or choice of how they worship or not. When it comes to Israel-remember that it is the Jewish state. Most people who fly ELAL are flying there because it is the Jewish State and ELAL is the airline of Israel. Please withhold your judgement because you don't believe the same way. Israel isn't called the holyland for nothing. Not one passenger was satisfied. Thankfully, we all got to our destinations safely. It is right that ELAL should apologize for giving a false statement about violence and compensate the passengers in some way. It was all their error.

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Tom Guest

Anthony/VJ, I don't think they need a secure gate if they returned to gate. They never left the US, so it would probably be treated the same as a domestic flight returning to the gate and you could reenter the US without having to go through immigration. I also don't think CBP cares about trying to stop visa/I-94 overstays at the airport before they depart. You probably wouldn't have a problem departing the next day, even if your stay period expired. They just won't give you a visa to reenter next time you try.

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Tm Guest

How does god know about time zones, airplanes. Did they account for that in their sabbath math

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Sung Diamond

So does anyone still think even if captain lied, being delayed is reason enough to demand a plane to divert? I don't know how people see this as ok. And I don't care what faith you are, I don't blame the faith, I blame those ON board for being inflexible. You know, sometimes, variables in life doesn't go as planned or as you want. You need to accept not everything goes your way. You know it's called life.

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Elijah Gold

Jewish pooish. The world has gone mad.

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