United Airlines has just revealed all new international routes for 2022, and there are quite some interesting flights among them. United sure knows how to generate buzz, because the airline let us avgeeks guess the new routes. Let’s go over the details of United’s latest international expansion.
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While I like the other adds, I'm incredibly skeptical of Palma de Mallorca and Tenerife. Those are vacation hotspots, sure, but for Europeans. I don't believe they get much American traffic. It will be interesting to see if UA can make them work, though 3x weekly certainly helps.
Some of the connection possibilities for *A are interesting. If the routing doesn't forbid it, this now makes for some odd backdoor ways into the EU, and hopefully Asia if the Asian carriers come back into AMM.
The Dulles to Berlin flight will be operated by a 767-400ER, not the 767-300 as states in your article
Hyatt just bought hotels in Mallorca / Tenerife. Demand for new beach destinations is off the charts. I could see the flights to those islands working, especially if Americans can tack on flights to the continent after
Apparently United considers the general population a bunch of Sherlock Holmes' with some of those clues lol.
I'm actually find their additions to be pretty underwhelming, but it's nice to have nonstop service to Amman. The only other one I really like is Bergen, which is one of my all-time favorite cities (really a large town).
Knowing the Iberian Market I am cautious about the new destinations. PMI might have some attraction as a summer destination and it is located close to Ibiza, one of the main party destinations. TFS, I doubt it will work.
On the other side, Delta used to operate Malaga direct flight from JFK. This service was also supported by some public institutions aid to promote Malaga as a destination for americans. This service was closed on 2019 and it was operated with B757.
Any idea when the AMM flight will go on sale? I just looked and it didn’t seem to be available yet.
"The Amman route seems like it’s primarily motivated by government traffic, both given the origin in Washington" Not in the immediate future. AA has the government contract fare between DC and AMM to the end of September 2022.
Now travel restrictions will be lifted, there’s going to be an upsurge in bookings. Travel to Asia is generally still difficult with a few exceptions, so many may look at transatlantic as an alternative.
There's really not much to add from LAX, specifically around TATL which, in the anticipation of continued weakness on TPAC, is the focus. LAX is very much a saturated market. Important. But saturated. No real compelling reason for UA to add anything long haul out LAX at the moment.
Not just LAX, but the entire west coast. United is just not a major airline for anyone who lives west of Denver. :/
Yeah, that's a shame. I'll happily fly to PDL via mainland Europe in a better airframe.
Shocked that this is how one United SVP put it:
Quayle points out that the flight from Newark is akin to a domestic transcon, just 11 miles longer than a flight to San Francisco. More significantly, however, the type of traffic would not support the premium Polaris product. “It’s more of a VFR (visiting friends & relatives), backpacker, and ethnic traffic, so there’s not much demand for lie-flat seats.”
You are absolutely right. Americans, try telling your friends you are headed off to Mallorca or the Canary Islands. Enjoy their reactions ("umm...where?" "why?"). Yes, northern Europeans love to lay in the sun and will continue to flock to these places, but not via Newark.
Haha…once you are in Europe you can decide to take TAPs A-320 or Lufthansa’s A-321 or Ryanair’s 737 to fly to PDL.
Haha…once you are in Europe you can decide whether to take TAPs A-320 or Lufthansa’s A-321 or Ryanair’s 737 to fly to PDL.
If United is willing to send a 767 to palma de mallorca and a 787 to Amman they clearly don't expect international business travel to come back too soon
You know, I wonder if they updated/corrected the video. I wrote down 304, and based on what I see now in the video I don't see how I would have done that. It's a big coincidence that both Lucky & I saw 203.
it's like a flight to the west coast, which is very frequently operated by a narrow body aircraft. Why the ugh? would you rather have the flight or not at all? This route is exactly what the MAX-8 is made for. United probably wouldnt fly it without this plane.
BGO is exactly two weeks too late for me! Flying there at the beginning of May to catch a cruise and having to connect somewhere in Europe first.
Mallorca to EWR showing some saver availability. Not seeing shit on other routes in June 2022.
To me it's not shocking at all, in fact, I think United's assessment of passenger mix is spot-on. FWIW, I spent September there (PDL) and only recently returned, so have a fresh view.
Few American tourists go there. Almost every tourist we saw was from mainland Portugal or other European countries (mostly Germans). I doubt this destination will ever be a major draw for American tourists (there's no "pretty" white-sand beaches, no party-hard scene, no chain hotels).
The traffic that I saw, and what I would expect on this route in the future, is EXACTLY as described by United. Mostly family visits (there is a large Azorean expat community in parts of the US and Canada, and it seemed nearly every local we spoke with had family in the US or Canada). There were just a few backpacker types who don't care about fine-white-sand beaches, nightlife and other magnets for mass tourism (and virtually all of them we saw were also from Europe). United is absolutely right: there will be little demand for a good business class experience on this route.
I loved the place and me and the wife are talking about a return trip, but when we go back, we will absolutely fly to Europe in a nice lay-flat seat, and will connect to PDL from the continent (that's what we did recently - and on our flight from LIS-PDL, we had the entire business class cabin to ourselves on a TAP A3320, so IME United seems to understand the demand very well). This is a route primarily for family members visiting here or there.
Business Class: JFK-Europe on JetBlue and BA CityFlyer is from 850 USD on Priceline, dates like May, June, July. JFK-LGW/LGW-AMS 857 USD RT.
BA ticket. Be quick.
"That being said, United’s 757s don’t exactly have a great onboard product,"
I laugh a little every time a read a statement like this. Now that the [admittedly] awful four across Legacy UA Business class product is gone, the Legacy CAL Business class product, gets called out for what it was/is [OLD]!
True, but it likely accounts for government contractors who can generally choose any airline. And they may make up a much larger portion of UA’s target market.
Tenerife is a shorter flight than Hawaii from the east coast and most of the Midwest. Canaries have everything you could want in an island vacation, plus it is significantly cheaper than Hawaii, or even mainland Spain. I loved my visit there a few years ago-- especially the northern end of the island.
The Azorean expat community is largely centered in Southeastern New England (which is part of why there's already service between PDL and BOS). Considering that I doubt anyone is flying BOS-EWR-PDL over the nonstop, could UA be upgauging EWR-PVD from CRJ 550 to 737/A320 for feed (otherwise this could be a route where most of the feed is from Amtrak?).
thrilled about the direct flight to ponta delgada! spent two lovely weeks there this summer and flew TAP J the long way out of newark connecting in lisbon, and then flew air azores back through boston connecting onto jet blue. having a direct flight will make visiting there much easier.
if anyone's been considering a trip, i can't recommend it enough - it's like a european hawaii.
If U.S. legacy is seeking to capitalize on seasonal, leisure-sun destinations into the Mediterranean, why not LAX nonstops? There would be demand LAX to DBV, ATH, PMI, IBZ.
LAX nonstops into the Caribbean would work as well. AA used to fly LAX-SJU, LAX-MBJ but no more, except for the one-off. It’s a hassle to connect via the E.Coast.
Holy cow! I've been tinkering around looking to go to PMI in the coming year or so! It's a special place from my wife's early childhood and getting her back there is on my 'to do' 'list for her!! And DIRECT from my closest UA hub (EWR) !!?? Being a United FF with 300,000 + points... this is great news! Hope things stay the course for the future when we set a date!
Many Americans love going to Mallorca/Ibiza now in the summers. It's mostly young people going for the clubs/parties. Feel like that route might do well actually.
I flew a Lufthansa A-321 last week. Awful hard product. Nothing I would rush back to.
Great routes and great aircraft …. Wait… well not really 757’s and 767’s - the onboard experience isn’t one I’d like to try again
Not true, look at United’s Dominance and numerous International services out of SFO
LAX-MBJ nonstop had shit flight times. Red eye there and early morning return. If they offered decent flight times the route would work well, at least in high season.
Did United reveal all the clues and thoughts behind them? I would really like to know more of the clues and puzzle pieces.
Still waiting for the day that my home airport IBZ gets TATL service. Noticed a big increase in American tourists this past summer. Can't be too far away now that PMI has been added. Suffice to say I will do everything to get on the inaugural when it finally happens.
PDL wont attract American tourists. It's not a destination for Americans, no chain hotels, no chain restaurants.
This is more about the Azoran diaspora in the US/Canada going home (SATA has been flying this route for years)
A transatlantic aircraft from Heathrow to New York City is an average 7.5 hour flight!
I can't imagine flying to Mallorca is much different than flying to Hawaii from EWR. Mallorca is a great place too it more or less feel like Hawaii but slightly less tropical. If you want to party you can stay in Palma but if yo want to relax the east side is perfect.
Yeah, there were some sneaky -or of course, some might say clever - curveballs, to throw people off the scent, too!
For example, towards the end, the confidential envelope is marked, in part:
“TO: M.PQ”
But, when searching 3-letter airport codes, MPQ is identified as a teeny tiny airport in Maan, Jordan, so of course, when one sees **THAT** the thought process in their brain (or at least my broken brain, anyway) goes something like, “huh! well…that’s nice, but the ONLY possible city an airline the size of United could possibly fly to *IF* they were to fly to Jordan at all, is Amman, surely not a place most people never heard of in a country the airline has never flown to/from before…**NEXT**…”
But, for sure, Jordan did come up in my initial attempt to solve some of the clues, but again, when the city was Maan instead of Amman, my broken brain rejected the idea of United flying anywhere in Jordan.
Also found the countries, Portugal & Norway, easy to figure out, but was not on track for Ponta Del Gada or Bergen, respectively after falling for the Maan, Jordan fake out & being stumped by the “TO: M.PQ” clue that went nowhere when searching for other clues that might reveal what that meant!
Oh, well…better luck next time/year!
Delta would suit an overnight 757 to IBZ from JFK. I've been saying it for years.
Party Plane. Although the scene's not what it was 20 years ago.
TFS is a DREADFUL location. It might cater for US folk wishing to visit one island but does nothing for people living in the Canary Islands wanting to visit the USA. Both LPA and TFN are easily accessible from all the other islands (our total population here exceeds 2 million people), whereas TFS has two daily flights from Las Palmas and pretty much nothing else.
As for flying 8 hours on a clapped out 757....errm, no thanks!
I bet it's going to be religious tourism related too. I see countless Christian tour groups from the US and Canada that are open jaw (AMM/TLV) and Turkish and various European carriers are getting all the business just because they serve both. Now UA may become the first US carrier to grab a piece of this pie.