Northern Pacific Ai...
 

Northern Pacific Airways Rebrands As New Pacific Airlines

29 Posts
10 Users
0 Reactions
312 Views
Posts: 39869
Admin
Topic starter
(@lucky)
Member
Joined: 13 years ago
[#15445]
wpf-cross-image

Airline startup Northern Pacific Airways (which currently exclusively operates flights between Ontario and Las Vegas, despite having ambitions of flying across the Pacific) has rebranded…

Continue reading: Northern Pacific Airways Rebrands As New Pacific Airlines

Share your questions, experiences, and thoughts below.


28 Replies
28 Replies
(@Steven E)
Joined: 11 years ago

Posts: 547

Seriously what is this carrier all about


Reply
 Levi
Diamond
(@levi-2)
Joined: 5 years ago

Member
Posts: 220

Trademarks have a "use-it-or-lose-it" aspect, and the Northern Pacific merged around 1970 with 3 other railroads to form Burlington Northern, which in turn merged into BNSF almost 30 years ago. I suspect that's why the NPA folks thought the trademark had lapsed.

But avgeeks have nothing on "foamers" and the railroads make a respectable amount of money licensing the liveries of their predecessor roads to model train makers. Thus BNSF runs a single locomotive with a sticker of the Northern Pacific logo ( https://heritageunits.com/locomotive/detail/BNSF6026) to keep the trademark alive.

I suspect similar logic is behind AA's heritage liveries; I guess United isn't worried about someone launching a new Continental and Delta isn't worried about a new Northwest or Western.


Reply
(@Peking Duck)
Joined: 12 years ago

Posts: 57

"New Pacific Airways." Sounds like the fake airline name from any number of action movies in the 90's.


Reply
Diamond
(@stogieguy7)
Joined: 5 years ago

Member
Posts: 0

Even "Columbia Airlines" sounds more authentic. Anyhow, it's yet another sign that this venture is going nowhere - aside from bankruptcy court.


Reply
 SMC
(@SMC)
Joined: 5 years ago

Posts: 64

Ikr! It sounds like an airline name straight out of Die Hard.


Reply
(@Alex W)
Joined: 6 years ago

Posts: 5

Spot on about the reasoning. BSNF is very protective of its trademark and those of its predecessor railroads. They have even repainted current locomotives into "heritage units" - like AA does - featuring the names of the processors, like Northern Pacific. Several years ago there were even legal negotiations over using these marks on model trains.

BSNF has been watching very closely...


Reply
(@Never In Doubt)
Joined: 5 years ago

Posts: 1080

Fake airline, continuing to do fake airline things.


Reply
(@Icarus)
Joined: 10 years ago

Posts: 2562

Or one of those 70s Airport movies


Reply
(@betterbub)
Joined: 5 years ago

Member
Posts: 724

They should've chosen a name from a location in the Northern Pacific that is relevant to them. Should've chosen the name Alaska Airlines


Reply
 Grey
Diamond
(@grey)
Joined: 5 years ago

Member
Posts: 242

I like that they feel the need to say, 'Offers flights globally, including California and Nevada.'
Like, yeah, sure, both of those are on the globe, but not quite sure that makes it 'global'.


Reply
Diamond
(@frank-b)
Joined: 5 years ago

Member
Posts: 147

They could have just decided to save the thousand dollars a plane that painting another 5 letters would cost.


Reply
(@Frederik)
Joined: 3 years ago

Posts: 1

Not very original, ghost pacific would have been much more apt.


Reply
 Greg
(@Greg)
Joined: 14 years ago

Posts: 626

"Ocean Pacific" would have really nailed that

And the 'n' at the end of Ocean would let them avoid redoing the part of the 'n' on the fuselage that currently overlaps the large logo. Easier repaint.


Reply
 Cr-
(@Cr-)
Joined: 3 years ago

Posts: 1

Quite the new “global” airline. Their flights aren’t even two hours long! Laughing hard here! Laughing hard!


Reply
Diamond
(@concordeboy)
Joined: 5 years ago

Member
Posts: 1211

If they had the resolve and the funding, they (airline) could reasonably fight it out, with a plausible chance of winning, as trademark (unlike copyright) revolves around the element of "use."

They're both transport companies, but if the airline could convince a court that no one's going to confuse a transpacific airline with an interstate rail company, then it could win.

Would likely get drained in the process though, so just wasn't worth it.

Much more clear-cut case was the row between Delta Air Lines and Delta Faucets & Fixtures, over multiple trademark-related issues.


Reply
(@STeve)
Joined: 13 years ago

Posts: 67

And don't ever think of using a rooster as a brand or logo or you will find yourself in court with Gallo Wine - and they ALWAYS win! Another very protective private company ! Just ask Hilton hotels when they wanted to use the Red Rooster name for restaurants chain wide.


Reply
 Matt
(@Matt)
Joined: 5 years ago

Posts: 134

I have full trust that this airline will be around for decades. So what will it be called when it is no longer new?


Reply
(@Glenn St John)
Joined: 3 years ago

Posts: 1

This scheme is dead in the water. PeoplExpress II revisted. Icelandair and others will never allow this to happen without a fight. They couldn’t complete 30 minute flights ONTLAS. Unofficial reports that one aircraft has already been returned to ROW for storage.


Reply
(@gboac)
Joined: 5 years ago

Member
Posts: 0

It's not just locomotives. There are probably thousands of freight cars that still bear the names of the BNSF predecessor railroads.


Reply
(@gboac)
Joined: 5 years ago

Member
Posts: 0

For the railroad knowledgeable among this group. In 1995 an LCC stated operations out of Colorado Springs under the name Western Pacific. WP was of course the name of a famed western railroad that was ultimately acquired by the Union Pacific in the early 80s. I was not aware of any attempt by UP to prevent the use of that name. WP as an airline did not last very long; it went bankrupt in 1998.
Interestingly the UP was very vicious in its attempt to prevent unlicensed use of its name and image not only by modelers but also by outfits that produced railroad calendars.


Reply
(@Chase)
Joined: 14 years ago

Posts: 158

Why not just change it to North Pacific?


Reply
(@Albert)
Joined: 3 years ago

Posts: 631

In 1997 when Swiss Bank Corporation (SBC) announced a takeover of Union Bank of Switzerland (UBS) they proposed calling the result United Bank of Switzerland.
Then a little bank with naming rights to United Bank of Switzerland popped up with a complaint - the materials for the combination of the two big banks were rapidly changed to say it would be called "UBS" as a full name; not an abbreviation.
That is the UBS that fell into the arms of Credit Suisse this year.


Reply
(@octinphl)
Joined: 5 years ago

Member
Posts: 0

You’ve got the facts wrong to some degree. Hilton planned on calling the chain
GALLO ROSSO, which is why Gallo sued. Plenty of entities use rooster logos with no interference from Gallo.


Reply
(@Teejay)
Joined: 7 years ago

Posts: 48

BNSF = Warren Buffet / Berkshire Hathaway


Reply
(@Brianair)
Joined: 4 years ago

Posts: 215

There was already a “new Pacific Airlines” created in Vietnam a few years ago when Jetstar Pacific rebranded back to Pacific Airlines. Surprised they’re not also suing. Even “New Air” would’ve sounded decent. Oh wait, that’s what JetBlue was originally called. Eh, it’s not like this money laundering scheme is going to last that much longer.


Reply
(@Oriflamme)
Joined: 8 years ago

Posts: 94

Reminds me of a tongue in cheek trivia account I saw on Instagram that has fascinating factoids like “Did you know? California is smaller that the United States and Canada COMBINED!”


Reply
(@Oriflamme)
Joined: 8 years ago

Posts: 94

Well I like their livery and I think the cabins look pretty snazzy but everything else about this airline is puzzling to me.


Reply
(@iamhere)
Joined: 10 years ago

Posts: 1883

At least this airline startup has planes and a schedule, etc


Reply