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France Looks To Restrict Private Jet Flights

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Environmentalism has become an increasingly important topic in the aviation industry. Not only have airlines made pledges about reducing emissions, but we’ve seen some governments impose restrictions on airline travel, from banning short haul flights, to increasing taxes on flying, to adding permanent airport passenger caps.

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Diamond
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Corporate execs can't be thrilled by all the cuckoo celebrities advertising that they use private jets for what are essentially milk-runs.... but the more of that that surfaced, the more likely that something like this were to crack down. Definitely saw it coming.


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Diamond
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This is a clever way to keep the Kardashians out of France!


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(@George Romey)
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Of course this won't apply to politicians, do-gooders claiming to save the Earth and the uber, uber (.001%) rich that like to lecture us on our consumption (usually part of the do-gooder crowd). They will find a way around it.


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(@Golfingboy)
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Really easy to implement a domestic restriction. I am disappointed they did not apply the same rules when the domestic flight restrictions went into effect. Not hard to compile a list of airport pairs that are not permitted to have private jet flights on equipment of a certain size. If the rich wants to continue to fly private on a banned route they will have to fly on a Cessna 172 or a similar light weight aircraft.


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Diamond
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This move has more to do with the soaring cost of energy in Europe and the high likelihood that there will be people that cannot afford to heat their homes this winter due to cuts to Russian gas supplies than it does to environmentalism.
I rode w/ a cab driver in Europe this summer who showed me his 640 Euro electric bill and said he is not alone. It will be far worse this winter if supplies can even be found to provide electricity and gas to heat homes.
Banning private jets is a symbolic way to push back the growing enormous public backlash that is growing. If supplies are so tight that everyday people can't afford basic necessities, then allowing a class of people to do things because they have money is asking for a repeat of the French Revolution.

There is class warfare developing in countries around the world and energy usage will be at the pointed end of the spear. France might be one step ahead of other countries in seeing this.


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 BSS
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Good. About time the elite do their bit and stop forcing their environmental agenda onto others without doing anything themselves.

Next time they should make sure private jets are banned into Davos too.


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Diamond
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First they came for private jets.
And I did not speak out.
Because I did not have a private jet.

Then they came for first class.
And I freaked the fuck out.


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(@pstm91)
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A ban of private jets will never happen, and I'll be surprised if even this short-haul ban passes. Those flying in private jets are the ones bring huge, meaningful tourism revenue income to the country. Yes, the small/normal bookings add up, but the villas and top suites for 10's of thousands per night and up, the yacht charters for millions per week, those are the huge money makers for the tourism industry. Ban private jets and that income goes out the window.


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I agree with Ben, France is still a semi-democractic semi-free market country last time I checked. Add higher fuel taxes to private jets and/or add take-off/landing fees. If you want to take your jet 300 miles, you can pay a premium to do it.

The goals are both environmental (long-term) and energy consumption reduction (short term, Russia-driven).


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Diamond
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Energy in some countries, water in others.


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(@Bagoly)
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Agree with the tax approach - bans just cause cheating.

BA is apparently paying GBP1 for offsetting London to Madrid in economy, and GBP15 for London to NY in Business.
That suggests that a short private jet flight in Europe is about GBP50.
Can anybody correct/confirm that?
Perhaps charge EUR250 per departure and arrival, irrespective of distance travelled.
Which is actually much less than I expected, and possibly that others did to.
So introducing this might be good for taking the pressure off those who fly private - it's looks not that big an effect.


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(@donna)
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A tax, no matter how punishing, is meaningless to this class of traveler. Ban short flights for all but a few exceptions. The Kardashians will have to find another way to get across town.


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(@Cedric)
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Even a 200% tax wouldn't change much. The only serious impact would come from a ban on short haul flights. But then again the point of private jets is mostly to avoid crappy short haul flights...

Even then, what about charter flights, business jets, sport teams using their own jets...


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Diamond
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If the basis for reducing environmental impact is because of climate change and climate change threatens all of humanity, then you cannot argue that a penalty is ok to then allow some people to pollute and risk the lives of others UNLESS you believe that the comfort and convenience of some can be bought at the expense of the lives of others.
Resources in the world are not evenly distributed but France's proposal basically forces the public to decide whether climate change is a matter everyone has to buy into because all people are equal or the entire basis of enviromental policy to reduce climate change is false.
I'm glad France started the conversation.


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(@Bobo Bolinski)
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Fat chance.


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(@Jeffrey Chang)
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"Tax them enough so that they’re more than “offset” in terms of their carbon footprint."

Why not just detain them and make them plant enough trees to offset their various flights for a year. Taxing a person is just taking away the fruits of their labor so why not cut out the middle man of accepting the compensation of their labor and just have compelled labor instead?


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(@Jeffrey Chang)
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You forgot politicians. They should be banned from attending meetings in private jets, especially climate ones.


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(@derek)
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What if a company needs a specific part to keep the assembly line running. Companies have been known to fly it in specially. That is a private jet (not always a jet) flight.

Private jet use is like car use. Some people take a drive for not a good reason. True, a car uses less but taken as a population, there's a lot of wasted gas for unimportant trips. Also wasted gas for low tire pressure. (Did you know that TPMS tire pressure monitoring systems do not trigger a warning until the tire pressure is 20% low? So if your car specifies 32 psi, the warning light won't go on until it is 25.4 psi, which is quite low. You could fill it to 38 psi, reset it, then release 6 psi of air. That way, the warning light will go on at 30.4 psi)


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(@Jason Wong)
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Hey @derek,

My car (a 2016 Nissan) shows the actual psi in the tire on the dashboard, and triggers an alert immediately when the tire pressure is too low.

So I'm not sure what car you have where you have to wait until the tire is 6 psi too low...


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(@D3kingg)
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Terrible news. What if Elon wants to fly from CDG to ORY ?


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(@john cocktosin)
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What are the odds there's a carve out for EU politicians, WEF types, etc? I'd say high.


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Diamond
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The climate scam is exactly that. The carbon they wish to cut is us, get it?


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Can the rest of the world not just restrict france?

Bunch of clowns.


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Diamond
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More chance of flying than using public transport, theyll usually be on strike.


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Diamond
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Make them all fly in ryanair economy.


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Diamond
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A ban on short haul private jet flights in Europe could be exactly what we need! European airlines would then need to rethink their 'premium' offerings to accommodate the private jet set and that could only be a good thing, non?


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(@Ray13)
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I’d be interested to see what the wording would be like if there’s a supertax on private aviation. I imagine the Monaco types flying to/from Nice would face the brunt of it. What of government jets, I wonder? Middle Eastern princes and their private 747s are the worst offenders for this.


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