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Airline Unions Request Another $32 Billion From The Government

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Six unions representing US airline workers want another $32 billion from the government. This is a concept I simply can't get behind... The CARES Act, which was passed a few month ago, offers around $50 billion in support to airlines. This includes $32 billion worth of grants through the Payroll Support Program (PSP), whereby the…

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 Cind
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Nice.


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 Mike
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What about the hotels? That industry has been hit just as hard and I would offer the point that those workers, who for the most part are paid way less than airline folks, are in greater need of the relief. At some point the travel industry will have to accept that fewer employees will be needed which is terrible, but reality.


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(@Sharon)
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What about the other industries effected. Let’s talk hotels, mom and pop shops and tourist industries.

I’m ok with aid being provided but we can’t single out aviation just Because they have the biggest lobbying group.


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(@Martin)
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Why don't they agree collective cost reduction through part time and other measures? UFO agreed that with LH, no LH FA will lose their job due to the current economic situation. Part of the truth is that FAs at 4U, XQ and probably EW will be made redundant but there are ways to keep staff through collective bargaining if the staff is unionized.


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 Gene
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@ Ben -- None of these groups should receive bailouts. In fact, our resources should be directed towards our healthcare crisis, not towards paying people to not work.


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(@Andrew)
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Ah, America. Where we give corporations that, through their own fault, have no rainy day fund massive bailouts during an economic slowdown but give an unemployed family a.single check and call it a day.


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Instead put money towards retraining or helping these people find other careers. Millions of people across the country are unemployed and struggling, why shouldn't these guys be treated like everyone else?


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 John
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This really is where a social safety net for furloughed or laid off staff would be the way to go, rather than a piecemeal bailout to keep select groups people at work for no discernible reason other than a lobbying arm or a well connected congress critter. But I guess that would be doing a shooshalism. The horror.


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Gold
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Unfortunately it's time for a career change for many.


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Only in America does the phrase ‘Liberate yourself!’ mean get back to work. Corporate bailouts, beyond the more well-understood issues of stock buybacks, bonuses and temporary stays of layoffs, act as a mechanism to keep employees under an oppressed system. A system where the work of the many benefit the few. Executive leadership and those who earn their wealth based on the work of others aren’t concerned about public health because their lives don’t occur in the same public as everyone else. What do I mean by that? An executive isn’t worried about the strain on the healthcare system when they have private care. An owner isn’t worried about sitting on a crowded plane when they access to a corporate jet.


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This whole situation of only bailing out airlines is ridiculous considering how almost every single industry is affected. Airline employees shouldn’t receive special treatment and get paid to not work. Instead the money should be directed to helping everyone affected, not just airlines, especially when certain airlines (AA, United) are not interested in keeping COVID numbers down and instead would rather fill every plane to the brim.


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Airline employee here, and I mostly agree with you, Ben.

I don't want to lose my job. I don't want to see my colleagues lose their jobs. But the airline industry is going to take more than six months to recover and it's not sustainable to continue accepting government money and saddling ourselves with more and more debt. That's going to make recovery even harder.

What this really highlights is that this country has no social safety net and your financial and healthcare futures are inextricably tried to your job. Regular unemployment (sans the $600 bonus) isn't really a substitute for pay, especially if you're a high earner. COBRA is prohibitively expensive no matter what. It's an awful situation for people to be in through no fault of their own.


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Once again the pilots unions are looking out for #1. Where were they when the airlines outsourced heavy maintenance out of country which resulted in tens of thousands of mechanics losing their jobs.


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 Ross
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The Air Force budget is $165 billion. At least half of that is welfare for defense contractors. Civilians working in the airline industry have necessary skills and training if we ever need to fight an air war again, or a land war requiring half a million troops being transported back and forth to another continent. Let's keep the civilians until we're sure we don't need them. And although I share your pessimism that we won't have a vaccine in six months, why don't you just come out and say it? Because neither of us is a scientist and we know better than to engage in idle speculation?


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Diamond
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I think people misunderstand. The point is to keep people employed and the business afloat. If the business collapse, then all employees falls into unemployment, but they have no employer to return to after the crisis is over. This will probably keep them unemployed much longer if the jobs no longer exists.
If this plan is better than letting the business collapse and people going into unemployment, that is for anyone opinion, but based on comments, I don't think people understood the point of this.


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