Citi ThankYou can now transfer to Japan Airlines Mileage Bank at 1:1, and a 30% bonus through October 24, 2026 makes this new partnership worth a look.
Am I correct that with Mileage Bank, it is impossible to book something like JFK-HND-BKK (two international segments) with a connection at HND, and that I would need to book two separate award tickets?
It's not possible online for JAL metal (for partner metal it is possible under the partner chart). However if not segments are available separately, sometimes a phone agent is able to price and issue it as a through award.
It is not possible as a single award for JAL flights period. Whether online or on the phone. It will be two awards.
JAL will check your luggage through, and send staff to the gate to assist if the connection gets tight. They may even help with a rebooking for a missed connection, though of course under obligation to do so, as it is after all separate tickets. But do make sure to not undercut the MCT.
For partner awards, it is pure distance based, with no Japan connection restrictions.
What about cancellation fees? Any?
@Randy. Lucky recently summarized it (copied from his post):
"Japan Airlines Mileage Bank charges a fee of 3,100 JPY (~$20) to redeposit an award reservation, whether it’s for travel on Japan Airlines or a partner carrier. It’s not possible to change awards, so you’d just need to redeposit and book again.
For Mileage Bank, you must change or cancel your award ticket at least three hours prior to the scheduled departure time of your flight, or the ticket will be forfeited."
https://onemileatatime.com/guides/airline-award-ticket-fees/
Great addition for Citi (after getting AA), especially at the 1:1 transfer ratio, and nice to have an alternative to Bilt for transfers to JAL.
Good bye to the 55k J awards of course that happened a while ago with Bilt and then Rove but Citi has a much larger customer base. The fuel surcharges are crazy right now $400+ regardless of class. The only consistent redemption has been F at schedule open for roughly 120k but only for 1 seat.
Agreed on all fronts. Though, as we witnessed with AA, if Citi (or Chase, etc.) wants to demand exclusivity… they may (thus, we lost AA at BILT, but at least have it at Citi, now.) I’d be sad/mad, etc. if we lost Alaska, Hyatt, or United from BILT (if BofA, Chase demanded exclusivity.) It should not happen, but it can.
When you are in the middle of watching someone else fumble the ball (hello Bilt 2.0), you don't necessarily have to put the squeeze on. While many in this community profess nothing but love for Bilt, it's far from a product that has caught on and has mass market appeal (I'd wager most people have never / barely even heard of Bilt). But if programs like Bilt or Rove ever get traction, I'm sure you'll see the large banks start to be a bit more protectionist.
Then again, if you see DoC, it appears Citi has transitioned from 48-mo SUB for Strata Premier/Elite to 'lifetime' language, so the 'party' may be over... less churn/burn, more, 'do you really want this as a keeper card or not'...
I've heard that as long as the member redeeming the points is on the reservation, they almost never check relationship. It's largely to prevent points brokers.
Some of them would be hard to prove without quite a lot of documentation.
I don't see that happening with JAL as they are already partner with capital one. I think it is more likely JAL adds Amex or Chase as a transfer partner than establishing an exclusive relationship with Citi.
The premium seats are snapped up in minutes on many JL flights when the schedule opens, so AA/BA points aren't gonna cut it there. Cathay would work too, but the rates are higher.
You can also find J at 80-110k US-TYO on lots of dates which in 2026 is pretty good.
Hi Ben I think you have a typo as one of the headlines mentions Capitol One instead of Citi. Thanks for the heads up.
Finally, someone actually noticed this.
Can't believe it took this long to see a major point like this.
What this really shows to me is the death of 1:1 transfers as the default.
Citi doing 10:7 without an annual fee is the same as Chase gatekeeping Hyatt as 4:3 unless you have a premium card.
With that I'm hopeful Amex might restore 1:1 Cathay if you have the Platinum, but not the Gold or lower cards.
I don't think that's the same at all. Citi is allowing you to transfer points even if you have a $0 AF card, it's just that you have a worse transfer rate (which in this instance is nearly 1:1 with the 30% bonus). Chase doesn't let you transfer points at all with a $0 AF card.
A $95 card with Citi unlocks 1:1 transfers. A $95 card with Chase used to unlock 1:1 transfers with everyone, but now you need a $795 card to unlock 1:1 with Hyatt.
That's literally the same kind of tier structure.
It's an exactly similar situation. I'm sure you're capable of understanding an analogy right?
Someone paying more whether it's a Citi card with an AF or a premium Chase card vs someone paying less a Citi card without an AF or the lower AF preferred cards by Chase.
The concept is a base level card vs a non-base level card.
Citi credit cards are less popular and prevalent than Chase, so ofc they'll offer some differences in the system to incentivize.
No it's not exactly the same situation. One is a benefit of being able to transfer points at the $0/AF tier, which is not something that Chase offers. The other is taking 1:1 transfers away from the $95/mid-tier.
I agree that I don't like that Chase has opened the door to stratification of 1:1 transfers between the $95/mid-tier and the $795/elite tier.
But I completely disagree that adding a 1:0.7 benefit for a $0/AF tier is the "same thing" just because it's stratification. Citi has preserved 1:1 transfers at the $95/mid-tier, including with the latest addition of JAL as a transfer partner.
And it has to be looked at in the context of how much it costs to acquire a point (SUBs aside). C1VOne is $0 and lets you transfer 1:1 but earns 1.25x/$. Citi DoubleCash is $0 at 1:1 but 2x/$.
So let's say I want to transfer 1,000 points. I have to spend $800 on a C1VOne to get 1,000 points to transfer at 1:1, right? But on a DoubleCash it's only ~$714.29 (which would earn 1,428.58 points which at 1:0.7 is 1000 points).
So it's not a 1:1 transfer at 1:0.7, but it's a ~$85.71 cash savings over C1, which is better (again, SUB aside). And C1 doesn't have a major US airline as a transfer partner, unless you count B6, and even that is 5:3.
You can pretend it's different if you want.
It doesn't change the reality of how things work.
Peter_ can disagree, but it doesn't affect that this is indeed the direction these companies are headed
The direction of stratification of a Strata card?
The vast majority of transfers still operate at 1:1. Will we see more 4:3 and 5:4 and such - sure. But Chase and Hyatt just signed a new deal and they couldn't have the CSP cannibalize whatever new Hyatt cards Chase is about to roll out. It's as simple as that. Banks are mostly not looking to replicate Bilt's level of complication - they'll keep most at 1:1, but not being at 1:1 is not a red line anymore either. So be it.
And as for the option to transfer points at a $0/AF tier, that's only a good thing in my book regardless of 1:1. Not everyone in this country gets approved for mid-tier and up credit cards. So if someone has a DoubleCash and is able to extract points value from it on occasion - topping up an AA balance to take a flight at a great rate, etc. - so much the better. Could easily see a circumstance where someone finds a domestic 7k flight that would be $500 cash and transfers 10k points over from Citi to get 7k AA miles. If that person only gets 5c of value instead of 7cpp, still a great result.
not surprising that Yolo is wrong per usual. As Peter points out, Citi offering transfer partners at all on the $0 AF card is the unique thing here. Kind of pointless for anyone with any understanding of the game, but nice option for beginners I guess?
Now, if only they did life status points on transfers rather than just for JALCARD earned points we’d be in business.