A few months ago American announced they would start service to both Hong Kong and Shanghai out of Dallas/Ft. Worth next year.The Shanghai flight will be American's third daily service (the other two being out of Chicago and Los Angeles), while the Hong Kong service is the most exciting, since it's a new destination for…
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The game is winding down. The only way to get a premium class seat is going to be by having a lot of miles on all airlines soon enough. The days of cheap and easy F and J/C are coming to an end. It was fun while it lasted.
American has been doing this for quite some time. Look at their own table (not OW chart) for DFW-ICN route, AAnytime award also has a higher premium.
I wouldn't have even thought of the last option until you mentioned it. Thanks. Now I'm going to go stress-eat.
Not only is this flight ultra long-haul and unlikely to be profitable, that is truly terrible aircraft utilization with 19.5 hours on the ground in HKG. It will require 3 airframes to serve this route, since the return arrives 52 hours after it departs.
I don't see this route lasting very long. DFW is in the wrong location as a hub for Asia.
American wants to be seen as more upscale than before and is making upgrades to their product therefore they feel that an increase in price is warranted. Devaluation in dressup is still devaluation. *expletive*
Have you tried calling to see what rate you would get booking on the phone? If American has a published award chart, they should honor the rates on that chart.
I would think HKG is a new "region" for the AA award chart, so it will have an increased redemption rate.
And I agree with Carl, I don't think this route will be around for long, at least with the current timing. Having a $200m plane sitting on the ground for over 19 hours at one end just doesn't make sense, financially or operationally.
DEVALUATION!!!!! Delta welcomes AA to the club it is the king. I would never fly AA premium class to Hong Kong. That is CX turf!!!!!
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I don't think the devaluation would the price of Business so close to first (20k).
It's wouldn't be too far out of line with the other carriers tho
This jacked-up pricing already showed up when ICN came on AA's network.
DFW-ICN one-way F standard award is 160K, while the saver F award is 62.5K.
@ tt @ David -- Whoops, looks like you guys are onto something. Just updated the post to reflect that.
ICN was already higher, but notice korea is Asia zone 1, while HKG is Asia zone 2 according the old chart. So I wouldn't write it off just yet... View from the wing has mentioned ICN few times Ben :p!
I think ICN+HKG prob more of a trend than an exception.
Geez guys let's all rush out and buy some US Scareways miles…………as I back hand slap myself…………...
Not to mention many of the discounted fares not released yet. There is no "I" class inventory at all. I am happy that AA is finally flying to Hong Kong, but if they expect to fly high automatically, they must be living in another planet. American Airlines has almost zero recognition in Hong Kong, and similar to Continental Airlines' first few years in HK, they have to release some major fare sales especially in F and J cabin to attract the crowd to fly it. You can't rely on just the Americans to support this route. Sure, it will be the only nonstop flight between HKG and DFW, but you don't really have a huge HK population living in DFW, so you rely on connecting traffic. Plus American Airlines has this ten abreast economy cabin and it will be a tough sell to the local crowd unless the fares are cheap enough. EK has 10 abreast in 777 but at least it has 34 inches of legroom, not 31 inches. American Airlines also need to know that most HK folks know US airlines are not great in general, and even the fancy seats won't fool the crowd. You need some real discounted first and business class fares to get the local crowd to try you out.
With non-stops on CX out of JFK, who on the east coast would prefer AA metal via DFW? I just don't understand this route. Unless you live in Texas it doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
@Josh: Look further south. There's a huge opportunity for Central and South American traffic that would prefer to avoid LAX and JFK. Look at the timing, it works nicely for onward connections to these destinations. At DFW there are boundless connection options for connecting travels and the terminals are all interconnected for much easier connections.
That is one L O N G flight. Nice of them to operate it with their B773 metal. Too back that the soft side of the product remains so awful. They just don't get it.
And who knows, maybe they keep selling miles to us fools.
After all a bunch of US Airways bean counters are joining their DFW team mates.
Mileage award rate devaluation is a given. Won't surprise me a bit.
But just wait and see how they discontinue a bunch of benefits from Elites. "What? Dont like it? Go Fly Delta !"
Ben, sorry to go off topic...I ought to dig a bit more to find your last AA/BA lounge-related discussion. Alas, it's Christmas Eve (and I'm in a state of gluttony-induced laziness.)
If I'm AA EXP booked on BA in Y, I know that I'm entitled to use the Terraces Lounge. Question is, does BA actually *block* my use of the dining room and/or spa?
Per this: "If your oneworld® frequent flyer tier status is Emerald or Sapphire, or you are traveling in a First or Business Class cabin on any oneworld member airline, you can access more than 600 airport lounges throughout the world....Spa and Pre-Flight Dining facilities are excluded."
http://www.oneworld.com/ffp/lounge-access
Could have sworn that I've taken advantage of BA's full lounge offerings at JFK (as AA EXP/Emerald booked in coach on BA). Actually can't remember if I was booked in BA Y or C on my last pass through Terraces/JFK.
I assume they reserve the right to deny dining privileges to Emeralds traveling in Y? How about our guest?
Many thanks, and Merry Christmas!
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I know this is a really old post but I just booked a flight on this route and aircraft for next June (2015) with saver type rates via US Airways DM's. It didn't give me the DM select 5k savings but did book First class going and Business return for 115,000 DM's roundtrip plus minor fees and taxes.