Since When Do Crews Dictate Flight Schedules?!

I’m always a bit peeved when airlines start boarding earlier than the published boarding time. Ultimately carry-on space comes at a premium, and when they start boarding super early, it means you have to show up at the gate even earlier to make sure you have space for your bag. Which is sort of frustrating, since time spent sitting on the plane before takeoff is often “wasted” time.

I saw a bit of an extreme example today, which I just have to share. I was flying from Chicago to Tampa this afternoon, and in the Admirals Club I asked if the flight was oversold and they might need volunteers. I haven’t bumped in years, and it sounded sort of exhilarating to do it again. She said the flight was indeed oversold, so I headed to the gate about 1hr10min before departure to add myself to the list, which is super early.

American-Gate

The gate agent there was friendly and protected me on the later flight. She explained I’d be offered a $300 travel voucher, or if they need more volunteers, I’d be offered whatever the highest offer is. I stood near the podium, so it would be easy for her to “process” me if/when it was time.

I then heard her say to the other gate agent “the crew wants to get out of here early today, they want us to board at 12:30PM.” That’s 50 minutes before departure… for a 737!

I must be missing something. It’s great the crew wants to leave early, but unfortunately the airline has published policies as to when flights leave, and all the passengers need to be there for that to happen. So it’s great if 95% of the people are on the plane 35 minutes before departure, but that doesn’t mean the flight can push back.

Sure enough they started boarding 50 minutes before departure. Within 15 minutes the plane was mostly boarded.

35 minutes before the scheduled departure time they made the final boarding call. That’s right, they made the final boarding call five minutes before boarding was even supposed to start.

Sure enough, they continued to make “final boarding calls” every five minutes.

There were some other people who had volunteered to bump, and one by one she called them up and told them they wouldn’t be needed.

18 minutes before scheduled departure she called me up and said “thanks, but we’re ready to close the door and won’t need you, so go ahead and board.” As I boarded, a supervisor was in the gate area and said “we can’t close the door more than 10 minutes out if we’re still missing people.”

In the end, the flight left at 1:27PM, which was actually seven minutes late, and about an hour after boarding started.

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So I’m a bit puzzled. I don’t at all mind I didn’t get the bump. That’s by no means a “right,” and it means I’ll get to see my family earlier.

That doesn’t stop me from speculating about the motive on the part of the employees involved, though:

  • The stated motive was that the crew wanted to leave early. Do the flight attendants and pilots not understand that the airline publishes a schedule, and they can’t leave early just because they feel like it? And in the case of a full flight, did the gate agents really think every last passenger would be aboard way early?
  • Or was the real motive perhaps to cause people to misconnect rather than having to bump people? The gate agent wanted to close the door ~18 minutes before departure with passengers still missing.

Bottom line

This isn’t at all a big deal for me specifically — the gate agents were nice, and even though I was the last to board, there was still room for my carry-on. That being said, I can’t follow the logic of boarding 50 minutes early because the crew is in the mood to leave early. What am I missing?

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Xandrios Guest

At least in Europe this happens a lot. Its the pilots who prepared the flight, and they often know beforehand if there would be, for example, a strong headwind. In such case leaving earlier simply means arriving on time. Leaving on time means arriving with delay. So the wish to leave as early as possible is not so strange. And in many cases it does work. Obviously if people are missing 30 minutes early they cannot depart, however if boarding starts early and everyone is there early (which is generally the case)...then why not. Especially from outstations, holiday destinations and hubs belonging to other alliances (=no transfer pax) most people will be at the gate early, and having boarding start early will actually allow them to depart earlier.

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Tachyon_OGG-SBA-IAD Guest

@Chris "That $3,000 saved is just an unintended consequence of gate agents wanting to get the flight out on time. A one minute delay causes them grief with their supervisor. Giving out $3,000 in vouchers because revenue management didn’t get it right doesnt need explaining to a supervisor." So, they push 14 minutes early!?! I don't know, with Delta it's funny how these 'unintended consequences' always fall in their favor. Especially on a flight to LAX where there are evening slot limitations anyway, doesn't do anyone any good turning racetrack patterns out over Palm Desert like we were the other day. Pushing early on the last flight of the day, with connecting passengers coming over, doesn't ring true for me.

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Chris Platinum

That $3,000 saved is just an unintended consequence of gate agents wanting to get the flight out on time. A one minute delay causes them grief with their supervisor. Giving out $3,000 in vouchers because revenue management didn't get it right doesnt need explaining to a supervisor.

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Tachyon_OGG-SBA-IAD Guest

@Chris "I guarantee you gate agents don’t care about the compensation paid out…" How can you say this with such assurance? They have measures and metrics like every other job in the company-- They clearly get measured on not pushing back late. And, a $25 bag fee seems really important to the ticket counter, so I wondering why picking up $500 for every customer that they can "bump by not bumping" wouldn't be measured by a penny-pinching company like Delta? In my case that transcon 757 clearly pushed back ahead of the window. And, it pushed back full. Leaving 6 of us to find other accommodations for the evening... I count that as $3000 the gate agent made for the company that night.

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Tachyon_OGG-SBA-IAD Guest

After reading some of these "gee in certain circumstances we boarded early" comments, I'm back to wondering if there isn't some of what I call PEI's at work.. (I call those Perverse Economic Incentives-- strange behaviors that seem inconsistent until you follow the money trail.) Lucky's flight was oversold as was the one DL recently stranded me on in ATL. If you are the gate agent and you see you have inbound connecting passengers coming in late, but also are oversold, don't you (or at least The Company) have an incentive to mis-connect the late arrivals, IF it means you don't have to pay out the Denied Boarding Compensation to those passengers standing there in front you? Everyone of the oversold passengers standing there is basically $300-600 in essentially cash compensation paid out by the company. If YOU BOARD them, push back early, and then face the breathless passengers who sprinted over from Concourse F to Concourse B... you can blame "operations", "weather", "the pilots had to get to Spearmint Rhino early", whatever, because IN THAT CASE you only need to hand out a hotel voucher-- with a negotiated cost to the airline of between $25-30. Or, in the case of the last time Delta did this to me, ZERO since the darn hotel had no rooms anyway. All I'm saying is there are corner cases where, if you are oversold, you have EVERY INCENTIVE to board and push back early, since you save $250 to $550 per bumped passenger to "Bump by Leaving Early". Ben, have you ever thought about this? I'm curious if other people are seeing strange "we are going to board early" behaviors in cases where the flight is oversold?

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